D4 vs L200 in a drag...

[djambalawa]

My sister in law has a 200 series and after a test drive of my D4 wondered which one was quicker off the mark...

I was able to find a time of 9.6 seconds for the D4 0-100kmh but can't find anything for the L200... anyone know? The D4 figure was just from carsales... I thought it might be a bit better than that tbh... seems to take off nicely...

I know they're not drag cars but was just wondering for fun... perhaps we'll have to organise a drag race.. :p

Mines the 183kw 3.0l.

[sheerluck]

My sister in law has a 200 series and after a test drive of my D4 wondered which one was quicker off the mark...

I was able to find a time of 9.6 seconds for the D4 0-100kmh but can't find anything for the L200... anyone know? The D4 figure was just from carsales... I thought it might be a bit better than that tbh... seems to take off nicely...

I know they're not drag cars but was just wondering for fun... perhaps we'll have to organise a drag race.. :p

Mines the 183kw 3.0l.

Last I heard, the 0-100 time of the L200 had to be measured with a calendar, rather than a stopwatch.....

[discotwinturbo]

Interesting.

My Touareg using my Rev app is 0-100 in 8.5 seconds. My manual shows 7.8 seconds.

My D4 just beats my Touareg in a side by side drag....And D4 has a bit of extra gear! Using the Rev app its 8.2 seconds for the D4.

My Touareg beats my neighbours 2011 200 series...very easily.

So I conclude the D4 craps all over the 200 series.....and in every other way!

Brett...

[Disco4SE]

I believe that the 0-100 Kph figure for the LC 200 is 10.3 seconds.
The D4 3.0Lt 180Kw / 600nm figure is 9.4 seconds.

Cheers, Craig

[Piddler]

Get out on the highway and line them up :wasntme:
Cheers Piddler

[drivesafe]

Hi djambalawa and at 9.6 seconds, you will easily beat an LC200.

My RR does it in 9 seconds flat and I HAVE dragged quite a few LC200s when their drivers didn’t know their place.

It’s the only time I have found a good use for my sunroof. Where better to give someone the bird!

[discotwinturbo]

Time difference is interesting between specified and what I can do.

Just gave my Disco another go this morning and it showed 8.4 on my Rev app.

Might need to try manual stopwatch next time....Rev uses a g meter for the stop watch to start....and it's instant. It automatically stops the clock at 100.

I don't have either chipped.

Brett....

[Judo]

Hi djambalawa and at 9.6 seconds, you will easily beat an LC200.

My RR does it in 9 seconds flat and I HAVE dragged quite a few LC200s when their drivers didn’t know their place.

It’s the only time I have found a good use for my sunroof. Where better to give someone the bird!

Thanks drivesafe

[scarry]

Hi djambalawa and at 9.6 seconds, you will easily beat an LC200.



OK,so that is sorted,wonder how the 2.7 will go against one.

I know for a fact it leaves the latest LC tray back for dead,off the mark and also up the range:D
Yes i know it has a detuned LC200 donk.

[d@rk51d3]

Last I heard, the 0-100 time of the L200 had to be measured with a calendar, rather than a stopwatch.....

:D

I was going to say,

"just wait, it's still coming."

[mowog]

Not a 200 series but a LC anyway.

I was exiting a National park with a caravan (3500kg) in tow when I saw a Toyota LC behind me. There was an uphill climb after the turn off so I stopped and let the guy past. He took off up hill and I launched to get some speed up.... I had to back off to stop from running into the back of him. For the next 20k I was stuck behind this barge that couldn't get itself up a hill. On the down hills and straights he would bolt only to have me catch him at every hill....

[101RRS]

I think some of you people are suffering from wishful thinking.

While the Toyo weighs 200kg more than a base D4 is is about the same weight as a D4 Se/HSE. It has 15kw more power and 51 more NMs. So just looking at those figures the LC200 should be quicker 0-100kph.

0-100kph for the LC200 is 8.2s (TOYOTA Land Cruiser 200 / V8 4.5 V8 D-4D (286 HP) (2007 - Present) Technical Specifications & Features (http://www.autoevolution.com/engine/toyota-land-cruiser-200-v8-2007-45-v8-d-4d.html))

0-100kph for the 180kw 3.0 D4 is 10.7s (Discovery 4 TDV6 4x4 Turbo Diesel Efficiency | Land Rover Australia (http://www.landrover.com/au/en/lr/discovery-4/explore/tdv6/))

So the LC200 is over 2.5s faster 0-100kph. Not even the 200kg lighter Range Rover Sport can match the LC200 with a 0-100 time of 9.3s.

Garry

[phl]

Looking at the specs, the LC200 is 200kg heavier than the HSE (both from manufacturer's site comparing the Sahara to the HSE), but has 12kW more power, and 50Nm more torque. I suspect power to weight, the D4 wins, and it also has a flatter torque curve, and less inertia to overcome.

[SBD4]

I think some of you people are suffering from wishful thinking.

While the Toyo weighs 200kg more than a base D4 is is about the same weight as a D4 Se/HSE. It has 15kw more power and 51 more NMs. So just looking at those figures the LC200 should be quicker 0-100kph.

0-100kph for the LC200 is 8.2s (TOYOTA Land Cruiser 200 / V8 4.5 V8 D-4D (286 HP) (2007 - Present) Technical Specifications & Features (http://www.autoevolution.com/engine/toyota-land-cruiser-200-v8-2007-45-v8-d-4d.html))

0-100kph for the 180kw 3.0 D4 is 10.7s (Discovery 4 TDV6 4x4 Turbo Diesel Efficiency | Land Rover Australia (http://www.landrover.com/au/en/lr/discovery-4/explore/tdv6/))

So the LC200 is over 2.5s faster 0-100kph. Not even the 200kg lighter Range Rover Sport can match the LC200 with a 0-100 time of 9.3s.

Garry
Garry, you are comparing the bottom spec D4. lets compare V8 with V8:

155Kw D4 is 10.7s 0.100kpk
180Kw D4 is 9.3s 0-100kph
276Kw D4 is 7.9s 0-100kph

[101RRS]

Garry, you are comparing the bottom spec D4. lets compare V8 with V8:

155Kw D4 is 10.7s 0.100kpk
180Kw D4 is 9.3s 0-100kph
276Kw D4 is 7.9s 0-100kph

Yes - my bad but the 180kw D4 is still slower than the LC200 diesel. The original post related to the diesel not the petrol - I agree if you talk petrols then things will most likely be different but petrols are not the subject of the thread.

Garry

[SBD4]

Yes - my bad but the 180kw D4 is still slower than the LC200 diesel. The original post related to the diesel not the petrol - I agree if you talk petrols then things will most likely be different but petrols are not the subject of the thread.

Garry
fair enough. Although, comparing the spec sheet for the LC in your link and the one on on Toyotas local site, there seems to be an increase of 15Kw over the local variant - 210 vs 195. Perhaps the 8.2s does not hold true here?

[TerryO]

I have driven both 3.0 D4's and diesel V8 200 series. I wouldn't get to cocky about how fast a D4 is in comparison. The Toyota is not slow by any stretch of the imagination. If you guys are beating up on 200 series I'd guess that would come down to how hard the 200 series owner wants to push it.

Also if you think a D4 is quick and can easily blow away all other 4x4's at the lights just don't get to close to a new diesel Grand Cherokee owner who wnts to prove a point or you might get a bit of a shock.

[Disco4SE]

This article LUXURY FAMILY WHEELS: Large/Offroad SUVs - motoring.com.au (http://www.motoring.com.au/advice/2011/large-4x4/luxury-family-wheels-large-offroad-suvs-24678) shows the 0 - 100 Kph time for the LC 200 @ 10.5 seconds which is more realistic.
The power to weight thing is a bit deceiving some times. Keep in mind the power & torque figures are at the flywheel and not what is being delivered to the wheels.
I read an interesting article a while ago in Overlander magazine, where they did a comparison of flywheel power figures compared to 'at the wheel' figures. The Discovery had the best ratio out of the four vehicles tested.

Cheers, Craig

[Piddler]

I have a mate with a LC 200 with a Roo Systems chip and exhaust it is really quick.
Cheers

[CaverD3]

The D4 actually has more power and torque at the wheels. Toyota quote flywheel figures (engine) whereas LR quote straight power and torque.
LC200 is not slow but given it's 4.5L capacity it should be more powerful (and not blow up and not chew oil ;))
Grand cherokee is lighter as is the Toerag so they should go better.
Suprchip will boost D4 3.0L to 271 bhp and 667nm

http://www.mybluefin.com.au/search'make=17&fueltype=2&model=73&variant=2240

[phl]

From one of the guys on DISCO4, who times his Touareg and D4 0-100km/h times (using the iOS app Rev), found the Touareg quoted times was optimistic, whereas the D4 times were pessimistic (he got sub 9 seconds).

Perhaps LR didn't want quoted times for the D4 to be too close to that of the RRS.

Perhaps it's a case of giving it a go and see...

[discotwinturbo]

From one of the guys on DISCO4, who times his Touareg and D4 0-100km/h times (using the iOS app Rev), found the Touareg quoted times was optimistic, whereas the D4 times were pessimistic (he got sub 9 seconds).

Perhaps LR didn't want quoted times for the D4 to be too close to that of the RRS.

Perhaps it's a case of giving it a go and see...

On two occasions, which I have posted on this forum a couple of months ago, my D4 out accelerated my Touareg....both in normal and sport. Sport mode was used for the quickest time.....it was almost a full second faster in sport. The Jeep has the same power and torque as my Touareg but possibly lighter. If the same weight the the Jeep it's unlikely to out accelerate my D4.

The Touareg was slower than expected (much) and my D4 was quicker than expected....and my wife was driving my D4! My D4 boost comes on so quick, especially in sport.

Maybe my D4 is a bit odd.....as it appears from previous posts its quick.

Brett....

[TerryO]

How embarrassing getting blown away at the lights by your wife! ...:eek:

Having said that my wife drives a 6.2 litre HSV Senator, so I know better than to pull up alongside her at the lights.

[gghaggis]

We argued back and forth over D4 vs LC200 3 years ago. The final consensus was that _both_ power figures and weight quoted for the LC200 are measured quite differently to the way LR derive them. The quoted LC200 acceleration time of 8.2 sec was either a misprint or for a very different engine (I suspected they confused the diesel with the petrol) as every magazine test put it at over 10 sec.

Do a search with gghaggis + rmp + LC200 for all the sordid details.

Cheers,

Gordon

[ozscott]

Cruisers were always sluggish.

A D2 V8 was quicker than the big straight 6 that they ran that was over half a litre bigger than the little V8 in the Rover and the Rover gave the V8 petrol in the Cruiser a run for its money. The term Lardy Arse comes to mind.

Cheers

[101RRS]

for a very different engine (I suspected they confused the diesel with the petrol) as every magazine test put it at over 10 sec.



The petrol 4.7 in the LC is only about 5kw more in power and much less in torque so I wouldn't have thought there would be much difference between the engines particularly in a 0-100 run - difference would be more about how the power was delivered rather than actual figures. Some motoring writers have said the diesel is the better all round performer on the road.

I guess the 5.??litre in the Lexus would be a different matter.

Garry

[SimmAus]

I may have missed the point of this thread, but if you bought a Landrover / land cruiser for speed then me thinks you bought the wrong vehicle.... ;-)

[Tombie]

If one drives a full size 4wd like a sports car.....

One needs to sell it and buy a sports car!

One needs to Grow Up!

And One is driving in a rather silly manner in a 2.5-3t vehicle.

[CaverD3]

One needs to Grow Up!

Why? :D

[BobD]

If one drives a full size 4wd like a sports car.....

One needs to Grow Up!



Tombie, you know you are a teenager at heart like the rest of us old blokes and we need to know that our D4's can beat the LC200!!

When on our trip to Cape York last year I always out accelerated the LC200 that was with us when overtaking cars doing 90 to 100. We both had to gun it to get past in the available space in several different passing manouvres and I was always backing off half way through because I was gaining on him too fast.

Bob

[101RRS]

If one drives a full size 4wd like a sports car.....

One needs to sell it and buy a sports car!



Or buy a Range Rover Sport :)

[CaverD3]

For 2.5 tonne vehicle with such great versatility the D4 (and D3) handle remarkably well and the D4 has plenty of extra oomph in reserve for safely overtaking. :BigThumb:

[mowog]

I have a JCW Mini for fun.

When I drive D4 I have to remind myself that I am driving a tank. I have come into a few roundabouts a bit fast in the D4... :eek:

[SBD4]

If one drives a full size 4wd like a sports car.....

One needs to sell it and buy a sports car!

One needs to Grow Up!

And One is driving in a rather silly manner in a 2.5-3t vehicle.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/167513-cant-complain-about-these-numbers-2.html#post1867762

shhh...mums the word :D:D

[Tombie]

Wasn't drag racing. :)

Was doing fuel consumption tests and got there at an easy pace.

Racing & Speed are very different.

So is doing it on a cattle station track vs a city drag. (I easily beat the Cow off the line).