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Ranga
19th March 2013, 02:25 PM
A mate tried to convince me of the merits of a late 90s Mercedes C250D, particularly the turbo model. He says, they're great, will run fine on bio-diesel, and are very solid an reliable.

Anybody know much about these?

sheerluck
19th March 2013, 02:31 PM
Back in the UK they were the Holy Grail of engines/cars that were suitable for converting to SVO/WVO. They would run on anything, and indestructible.

VladTepes
19th March 2013, 02:43 PM
What do they sell for ?

VladTepes
19th March 2013, 03:05 PM
Never mind.
1999 Mercedes-Benz C250D Classic W202 Cars For Sale in QLD - CarPoint Australia (http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=SSE-AD-1108435&Cr=0)

Did find this
Mercedes-Benz C-Class W202 1993 - Car Review | Honest John (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/mercedes-benz/c-class-w202-1993/?section=bad)

which warns:

Glow plugs of diesels can fail after about 3 years and 50,000 miles. Cost 300 - 400 to replace due to amount of dismantling involved.

If C250TD is a poor starter, may be due to glow plug problem above. VITAL TO CHECK GLOW PLUGS OF DIESELS. These have a habit of failing, then break when the garage tries to remove them and rectification can cost 4,500.

Rust can be a big problem on these cars, especially in the area around the rear wheelarches.
Lower front suspension control arms can rust through. They are made of layers of stamped sheetmetal rather than solid steel. They have a 3 inch large hole on top and the salt and water goes in the hole and soaks down to the lower ball joint area, and rusts from the inside out because they are hollow. (hopefully not as big an issue here as no salted roads, but something to be aware of)



Kick down problems on automatics (which is most C Class) can be caused by a failing mass airflow sensor.

Reported high incidence of ECU failures on 12 year old C200s everywhere from the UK to Australia. Has led to a worldwide parts shortage. Cost 1,300 each (as much as the value of many of these cars). So a 12 + years old C Class with an ECU problem is effectively scrap.
Another common fault of C-class and other Mercedes diesels is failure of injector seals, allowing fuel/air mixture to be deposited as carbon on top of the engine. The problem can be identified by the smell of neat fuel (like paraffin) entering the passenger cabin, and a "chuffing" sound from the top of the affected cylinder as gas escapes on the compression stroke. Apparently it is so common it has been given the name "black death" within the Mercedes dealerships. Unless spotted early, and seals reground and replaced, the cost of fixing can be up to 500.

incisor
19th March 2013, 03:12 PM
Never mind.
1999 Mercedes-Benz C250D Classic W202 Cars For Sale in QLD - CarPoint Australia (http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=SSE-AD-1108435&Cr=0)

Did find this
Mercedes-Benz C-Class W202 1993 - Car Review | Honest John (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/mercedes-benz/c-class-w202-1993/?section=bad)

which warns:
(hopefully not as big an issue here as no salted roads, but something to be aware of)

geez you do know how to search for things after all...

:angel::D:D:D:D:D

VladTepes
19th March 2013, 03:54 PM
Inc...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/03/456.jpg

:lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

Blknight.aus
19th March 2013, 04:47 PM
apart from rust in the UK/salted road areas of Euro.

Nice, but pricey.

VladTepes
19th March 2013, 05:20 PM
Under $10K for a decent car isn't too bad.

Ranga
19th March 2013, 08:33 PM
Funnily enough, not much more pricey than similar mileage Subarus I've been seeing.

They look a little bulky to me.

I really must replace SWMBO's Vitara, and sick of looking at other options...

Blknight.aus
19th March 2013, 08:54 PM
Check the price on your spares for it....

be alarmed at the number of specialist tools required... (like landrover there are a lot of work arounds but workarounds cost time and increase the potential for failure.

Mick_Marsh
19th March 2013, 09:04 PM
There was a period of time when Mercedes went all green. They installed wiring looms that were biodegradable. The insulation on these looms have now rotted and the cars are catching fire. I know this because a mates Merc caught fire. He now has a non-biodegradable loom.

My pick of the Mercs for a daily drive would be a W126.

Whatever you do, get a good one. Mine are proving to be quite costly. They can make any Landrover look cheap and reliable.

Oh, I should add, I have people drive round to my place in various Mercedes models usually around twenty years old.
"You collect Mercedes?" they ask.
"I have two." I reply.
"Do you want to buy mine?" they hopefully enquire.
"No." keeping it short so as not to offend.
"How much would it be worth?" eagerly grasping at straws.
"Not much."

inside
19th March 2013, 09:17 PM
I really must replace SWMBO's Vitara, and sick of looking at other options...
What about a Peugeot 307 HDI? 5.2L/100km around 7-12K for '06/07 model.
2006 PEUGEOT 307 XSE HDI T6 Hatch Cars For Sale in NSW - carsales.com.au (http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/peugeot-307-2006-14388516?eapi=2&base=1216&vertical=Car&cr=13&page=2&find=hdi%7cCarAll&__N=1246%201252%201247%201282%204294963814%2042949 63061%201216&num=15&silo=Stock&sort=~Price)

VladTepes
20th March 2013, 10:26 AM
The front of that is UGLY in a way only the French can achieve.


I too will be looking for a car to replace Christine's Jackaroo (getting to the age it apparently starts falling to bits and costing $, and uses a fair whack of fuel)

Ideally want a medium size wagon or hatch, good on fuel, a bit more refined than a Falcommodore, a bit more 'fun' than a Toyobishi. And for the $ a mid 90's Jackaroo base model might fetch....

probably too much to hope for....


Interestingly Christine has commented how heavy the steering on the Disco is, compared with the Jackaroo, so I suppose "lighter" power steering should be on the list there somewhere ?

BigJon
20th March 2013, 02:05 PM
Ideally want a medium size wagon or hatch, good on fuel, a bit more refined than a Falcommodore, a bit more 'fun' than a Toyobishi. And for the $ a mid 90's Jackaroo base model might fetch....

probably too much to hope for....



Gen IV Subaru Liberty wagon 2.5i will probably fit the bill, provided the price suits.

I have a sedan for sale... :D Bit far away though.

Ranga
20th March 2013, 02:34 PM
Ideally want a medium size wagon or hatch, good on fuel, a bit more refined than a Falcommodore, a bit more 'fun' than a Toyobishi. And for the $ a mid 90's Jackaroo base model might fetch....

Exactly the same criteria for us, to replace SWMBOs 94 Vitara. Replacement cost needs to be about the price my BMW F650GS will fetch :(

Ranga
20th March 2013, 02:36 PM
Gen IV Subaru Liberty wagon 2.5i will probably fit the bill, provided the price suits.

I have a sedan for sale... :D Bit far away though.

Interesting - I've been focusing on a Subaru, given I really liked our old 03 Forester. Looking to spend about $7,500 to $8,500. I'm too bloody fussy though... :(

VladTepes
20th March 2013, 02:38 PM
Gen IV Subaru Liberty wagon 2.5i will probably fit the bill, provided the price suits.

I have a sedan for sale... :D Bit far away though.

Or not. Christine currently lives in Adelaide!

Not that we have any money yet. Want a Jackaroo ?

VladTepes
20th March 2013, 02:45 PM
2004 Subaru Liberty GT 4GEN Cars For Sale in QLD - CarPoint Australia (http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=SSE-AD-1125516&Cr=5)

Bit more $ than I will be able to spend though.

Ranga
20th March 2013, 02:49 PM
2004 Subaru Liberty GT 4GEN Cars For Sale in QLD - CarPoint Australia (http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=SSE-AD-1125516&Cr=5)

Bit more $ than I will be able to spend though.

a lot of km too. I was hoping to find something around 150,000

Disco Muppet
20th March 2013, 03:20 PM
X2 on the Subaru, If I had to retire the disco and get a normal car they'd be my first port of call.
We've had 3 so far, and all have been a real pleasure to drive.
Comfortable, lots of options, we've found ours to be very reliable and they go fast :burnrubber: :wasntme:
Only issue is mum seems to go through tyres like they grow on trees, add to that she cracked 2 rims in one go.....

VladTepes
21st March 2013, 09:52 PM
The front of that is UGLY in a way only the French can achieve.


I too will be looking for a car to replace Christine's Jackaroo (getting to the age it apparently starts falling to bits and costing $, and uses a fair whack of fuel)

Ideally want a medium size wagon or hatch, good on fuel, a bit more refined than a Falcommodore, a bit more 'fun' than a Toyobishi. And for the $ a mid 90's 2003 Jackaroo base model might fetch....

probably too much to hope for....


Interestingly Christine has commented how heavy the steering on the Disco is, compared with the Jackaroo, so I suppose "lighter" power steering should be on the list there somewhere ?

Just correcting the above....

BigJon
7th April 2013, 07:56 AM
Or not. Christine currently lives in Adelaide!

Not that we have any money yet. Want a Jackaroo ?

She is more than welcome to have a look / drive.

And, no, I don't want a Jackaroo!

BigJon
7th April 2013, 07:58 AM
2004 Subaru Liberty GT 4GEN Cars For Sale in QLD - CarPoint Australia (http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=SSE-AD-1125516&Cr=5)

Bit more $ than I will be able to spend though.

Lot of car for the money. I currently have our non turbo sedan advertised for more than that. 1/2 the km though.