Replacing front hub Britpart=OEM

[coops71]

Hi All,
I'm replacing my front right hub and ABS sensor. There is a Britpart version that says is OEM and sits between Allmakes and LR brand pricing. Its not the cheapest. Would I be right to think that this will have Timken bearings? See link below:
Front Hub With Sensor DS2 1998-2004 - Land Rover Part TAY100060 (http://www.lrdirect.com/TAY100060-Hub-Assy-With-Sensor-Ds-Td5-Fro/)

[walker]

I don't know the answer, but I was told a while ago that Timkin were the only ones to make bearings for the D2 hub so if that's the case you will be ok with any.

[coops71]

I don't know the answer, but I was told a while ago that Timkin were the only ones to make bearings for the D2 hub so if that's the case you will be ok with any.

Think I'll buy the Britpart :o version so I get the OEM sensor with it. Cheers

[bsperka]

Think I'll buy the Britpart :o version so I get the OEM sensor with it. Cheers

Can you provide feedback on the britpart after installation so others can benefit from it please?

[coops71]

Can you provide feedback on the britpart after installation so others can benefit from it please?

Will will, but Im guessing it will be the same as LR brand seeing as it is OEM anyway.

[Distortion]

Run into a similar situation with my 4bolt steering box
Had a look at one in perth, "Landrover OEM" which was branded Adwest,

Got a relative to look at a couple in the uk all branded Adwest with no noticeble difference

Ended up getting the britpart boxed one marked as oem again branded Adwest
got it landed in Perth for about $450 so it wouldn't supprise me at all if your hub came from the same factory as the landrover original

[OffTrack]

Will will, but Im guessing it will be the same as LR brand seeing as it is OEM anyway.

That is a brave call. :eek:

OEM is used very loosely to describe parts made by a company that has supplied LR with equipment in the past. As an example Dunlop supplied airbags for the Range Rover but never supplied Discovery 2 airbags to LR, yet they are usually described as an OEM manufacturer for D2 bags. Contitech was the original supplier and the LR replacement parts are Contitech branded.

Pricing on aftermarket parts is very competitive, and if one supplier can source a part for £XXX.XX pounds then their competitors will have access to pretty similar pricing. The corollary of that is if a supplier is offering a part at a substantially lower price than their competitors then the part is going to be more cheaply made. Britcar seems to be pretty generous with their OEM attributions.

Add: Having had a look at some pics of the Britcar hub it looks like the sensor is wabco branded so that it is a good start.

cheers
Paul

[schuy1]

OEM and Genuine Parts can be a long ways apart in quality , fit, and lifespan.

Cheers Scott

[PhilipA]

Pricing on aftermarket parts is very competitive, and if one supplier can source
a part for £XXX.XX pounds then their competitors will have access to pretty
similar pricing

So who told you that fairy story ?


Have a look at a Cherokee PAIR , which is basically exactly the same thing and tell me $400 for a wheel bearing is "competitive" . There are lots of much cheaper ones also , but I picked what looks like a good quality set.

The aftermarket parts places are just like wreckers , they set their prices as a percentage of original and they tend to stick together until someone becomes desperate enough to break the cycle.

TIMKEN HA590036 Front Wheel Hub & Bearing Pair Set of 2 for Grand Cherokee | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TIMKEN-HA590036-Front-Wheel-Hub-Bearing-Pair-Set-of-2-for-Grand-Cherokee-/310635315156?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3AJeep&hash=item48534ebfd4)


Regards Philip A

[coops71]

I'd read before that the sensor is genuine with the Britpart item and now I'm told that Timken are the only ones who manufacture the bearing. I rarely buy Britpart, but in this situation Allmakes and Bearmach produce a replacement item which costs up to $50 less than Britpart. That is saying something. Bearmach and Allmakes also do an upmarket part for about $50 or more than Britpart. I don't feel like shelling out an extra $300 for LR on the box.

[Blknight.aus]

Britpart=OEM in the same way that Pigfat=Kosher

[OffTrack]

Have a look at a Cherokee PAIR , which is basically exactly the same thing and tell me $400 for a wheel bearing is "competitive" . There are lots of much cheaper ones also , but I picked what looks like a good quality set.

Philip , not sure what you are on about? The Bearmach OEM part $340Aus plus shipping by my calculation. That is not a world away from the $299 price tag on the JEEP item you linked to. The US sellers who actually list D2 hubs on eBay are asking $400-500.

I was actually referring to the UK aftermarket sellers being closely priced for the same quality level components.

cheers
Paul

[BIG O]

Not sure if this helps at all with what's being said here...but 2 years and about 35000km ago I replaced my front right hub with a 2nd hand one from BOR at half the price . No idea how many kms on it but it was original ..cheap..got me on the road..may outlast the other 3 and has been fine..old car..old part.???

[PhilipA]

That is not a world away from the $299 price tag on the JEEP item you linked
to. The US sellers who actually list D2 hubs on eBay are asking
$400-500.


The Jeep item was for 2 for $299 = 1 for $150 .

I guess my point is that we are being robbed by the aftermarket sellers, and as long as we think $400 is reasonable they will keep doing it.

I just hope some enterprising person approaches a manufacturer for a run big enough to get a better price. ( before I need one LOL)
Regards Philip A

[OffTrack]

The Jeep item was for 2 for $299 = 1 for $150 .

I guess my point is that we are being robbed by the aftermarket sellers, and as long as we think $400 is reasonable they will keep doing it.

I just hope some enterprising person approaches a manufacturer for a run big enough to get a better price. ( before I need one LOL)
Regards Philip A

Sorry I did notice that but didn't factor when I was comparing.

You might like to check that sellers pricing on disco 3 hubs and compare with the UK pricing. It's too easy to say the hubs all look to same but if that were true why does the seller you linked to have timken hubs that range from $150 to more than $600. They all look similar.


Add:

The ebay seller Philip linked to sells Timken LR3/Disco3 hubs for $399US per pair plus shipping( http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TIMKEN-HA500601-Land-Rover-LR3-Range-Rover-Sport-Front-Wheel-Hub-Bearing-Pair-/230937413798?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3ALand%20Rover&hash=item35c4f148a6&_uhb=1#ht_2460wt_978 )

Rimmer Bros in the UK sell LR branded Disco 3 hubs for £152 each ex vat and OEM at £125 each ex-vat. This translates $463US per pair for genuine and $380US for OEM.

Cheers
Paul

[Sunova]

I replaced my front passenger side hub with a Britpart one. 30,000km and no problems at all. Having a ABS sensor issue, but tests say that the wire from the sensor connection to the SLABS is faulty and needs replacing.

[Seryi]

A friend of mine replaced front right hub to britpart, on his D2a td5. ABS sensor was ok, so he did'nt replace it. By now he went about 10k on new hub, and all is well.
But i can say that britpart isnt equal to oem, it looks nice and quality, but... time will show.
As for the ABS sensor that goes with hub - it did'nt impress. I installed it on my hub and it jumped from its fixture (bracket that attaches sensor to the hub), but at least it works.

[OffTrack]

A friend of mine replaced front right hub to britpart, on his D2a td5. ABS sensor was ok, so he did'nt replace it. By now he went about 10k on new hub, and all is well.
But i can say that britpart isnt equal to oem, it looks nice and quality, but... time will show.
As for the ABS sensor that goes with hub - it did'nt impress. I installed it on my hub and it jumped from its fixture (bracket that attaches sensor to the hub), but at least it works.

Just received a BritPart OEM front hub. The bearings don't have Timken stamping, but the machining and castings look to be very well finished. The abs sensor is a wabco branded part, so definitely OEM quality in that respect.

There is a big price difference between the Britcar pattern and OEM grade parts, and if the abs sensor isn't wabco the hub isn't going to be OEM grade.

Cheers
Paul

[DiscoKym]

I have just had one of my rear wheel hubs replaced.

I was looking around and found Timken seem to be the OEM maker. I have found there are 4 Timken factories in China.

Also found there are Chinese made hubs available as well so they ALL might be made in China. OEM and copies...

[simmo]

It's interesting talking about china made stuff etc, when you buy Timken or other name brand you're paying for their quality systems, production expertise, and developed product knowledge. Where those things are used doesn't really matter. Provided it's Timkens QA. BMW and Toyota are making fine cars in asia, because they successful transported their manufacturing & QA systems there. Aalborg a European boiler manufacturer has a big boiler making plant in china. The service engineer informed me they make a better boilers there than they do in Europe. I'd be happy to buy the hubs as long as they had a known brand name backing them up. Ball bearings for the hubs are not high tech.. I'm not sure it's a step in the right direction having non serviceable hubs on a car, another step towards everything is disposable. Just to put fly in your pudding , I replaced some wheel bearings once, about ten years ago, cost about $80 for two in think:D

[coops71]

20,000km on two Britpart OEM hubs so far. No drama yet (touch wood), apart from my own stupidness in not adjusting the abs lead properly and having it's insulation rubbed through by the hub. I'll keep you informed on how they go.

[clubagreenie]

There's timken and theres timken.

he good stuff comes from Euro factories (been to two of them) theres timken genuine chinese made and then theres chinese bearings in "Timken" boxes.

And then there's the quality of the castings which can affect the life of any
bearing

[ozscott]

I dont know about LR but for boat b trailer bearings I go for Australian made Timkin or Japanese.
Cheers