TD5 HARMONIC BALANCER BROKEN OFF.

[ROOSTERS D2]

Hi Everyone HAPPY EASTER. Didn't have a great start with the harmonic balancer snapping off and taking out the fan anyone know where to buy the cheapest parts.:(

[Disco Muppet]

Probably best to go genuine for a HB, not the sort of thing you want crapping out on you. bummer :(

[p38arover]

Dunno about cheapest but try All Four x 4 Spares - Home (http://www.allfourx4.com.au/) at Kotara

[justfishing]

Hello,
I just got one from Turner Engineering in the UK very good price even with freight. From the UK to Perth in 4 days.
Ian

[OffTrack]

Hello,
I just got one from Turner Engineering in the UK very good price even with freight. From the UK to Perth in 4 days.
Ian

Just had a peek at the Turner Engineering site and saw the HB they sell is "Manufactured in Australia" :o

Was there any kind of identifying mark on the balancer or packaging that might help ID the manufacturer??

cheers
Paul

[Fencepost]

I fitted the britpart one as the genuine was silly money. Seems ok and no problems for 20,000km so far.

[robbotd5]

Geez, there's been a lot of these failing of late. I wonder if they should be a service item, but at what sort of K's???
Regards
Robbo

[Disco Muppet]

Geez, there's been a lot of these failing of late. I wonder if they should be a service item, but at what sort of K's???
Regards
Robbo

Depends.
Sometimes if you're lucky and have the inclination they can be repaired.
Mine was replaced at 211k.
At around a grand for a new genuine one, that's something I'm happy the PO passed on :angel: :D

[BilboBoggles]

Lucky it did not cause the end of the crankshaft to snap off..... Check for a leak from the power steering pump, eats the rubber in the balancer.

[wardy1]

All I can say is BEFORE you fit a new one check for damage on the crank. If you've got no damage you're a very lucky man. If you're worried about the $1100 or so for a balancer, you really don't want to know what it cost me!
Some mechanics will just locktite (there is no key way) a new one on.... which is fine right up until it goes again and you can't get it off! Not sure what the torque setting is for the nut but it's huge. The average home torque wrench won't do it. Get it wrong and you're in for a world of pain.

Good luck!

[Disco Muppet]

Some mechanics will just locktite (there is no key way) a new one on.... which is fine right up until it goes again and you can't get it off! Not sure what the torque setting is for the nut but it's huge. The average home torque wrench won't do it. Get it wrong and you're in for a world of pain.


340lbs/ft

[winaje]

340lbs/ft

Equivalent to 460NM which, according to one of the engineers here at work, means that you need to apply 23kg to the end of 2 metres of "bar"

[Tombie]

Equivalent to 460NM which, according to one of the engineers here at work, means that you need to apply 23kg to the end of 2 metres of "bar"

Or "me" to about 50cm of bar!

[BIG O]

Yes it's not as much effort as the tension number sounds. Not too bad to get off. Need two people..one to hold a breaker bar handle and socket against the chassis rail.use welding gloves ...the other to hit the starter (remove fuel pump relay first ) on off..on off..and they come undone pretty easy that way.

[DeanoH]

Your biggest problem isn't going to be doing up the new bolt to the correct torque but undoing the old one.

If your Landy is a manual it may be possible to stick it in gear and chock the wheels to hold the crank still whilst endeavouring to undo the nut whilst hanging off the end of a huge bar. Degree of difficulty 3.4, chance of injury 4.5. ;)

Otherwise or for an auto a 3/4 drive socket on an extension bar jagged onto the PASSENGER side chassis rail and flicking the starter switch might do the trick, taking care not to drive/unscrew the socket/extension head into the radiator. Degree of difficulty 1.2, stress level 4.8. :o

Or plan c, welding a plate onto the remains of the broken casting so that the remains of the pully can be held whilst swinging on a bar as in the first option. Degree of difficulty 4.9, chance of success without damage /injury also 4.9. :(

If you get as far as doing up the new bolt one of these will help, and a good price to boot.

TENSION WRENCH 3/4 DRIVE 120 - 600 FT/LBS REVERSABLE RATCHET HEAD CHROME FINISH | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TENSION-WRENCH-3-4-DRIVE-120-600-FT-LBS-REVERSABLE-RATCHET-HEAD-CHROME-FINISH-/281041657980?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item416f63607c)

one of these will be pretty handy too

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/11/132.jpg

There's a good write up on what's involved here.

www.discovery2.co.uk / Crankshaft pulley* / TV damper replacement (http://www.discovery2.co.uk/CrankPulley.html)

Good Luck

Deano :)

[justfishing]

Just had a peek at the Turner Engineering site and saw the HB they sell is "Manufactured in Australia" :o

Was there any kind of identifying mark on the balancer or packaging that might help ID the manufacturer??

cheers
Paul

Hello,
No nothing on the package plain white box, not even a stamp or anything saying it was from here, sorry for the late reply as out here things are a little slow on the minesite. I didn't use it as was told it is electrical possible engine harness needs replacing.
Ian

[OffTrack]

Hello,
No nothing on the package plain white box, not even a stamp or anything saying it was from here, sorry for the late reply as out here things are a little slow on the minesite. I didn't use it as was told it is electrical possible engine harness needs replacing.
Ian

That's a pity. Turner say they can no longer get the Australian made damper and are looking at alternative - which will be substantially more expensive.

There is a mob in Wagga Wagga that do rebuilds of dampers which might be an alternative if the metal bits of the damper are in ok shape.

http://www.precisionparts.com.au/rapid_rebuild.html

A td5 might almost pass for a truck.

Cheers
Paul

[BIG O]

Just called Precision Parts ..they say they don't do LR stuff at all . Any know of someone who does rebuild them?, I've got one I would like to have done.

[schuy1]

Bummer!! :( Was going to give them a call, Slackbums! Dont they know there is thousands of TD5 dampers about to fail? or have failed? Just hope mine is not 1 :o
Cheers Scott

[phillip.dalton]

Hi Guys,
Following my experience with this job over the last week or so thought I'd post a warning. My Td5 D2 threw a HB near Tamworth last saturday 2003 model, 137000Km. Got towed into Tamworth and the NRMA dropped the vehicle at the local LR dealers. Got in there Mon morning (when I should have been back home at work!) to be told that Land Rover no longer supply Harmonic Balances but they can get an after market one in about 4 days. I got on the phone and had parts (Harmonic Balance , fan and belt) there next morning several hundred dollars cheaper than those that they had quoted. Well & good. 2:30pm that afternoon I get a call from them to inform me that they have broken the new balance whilost installing it using the technique recommended by Land Rover (Special tool to hold Balance which has two pins that fit into the bolt holes in the casting, snapped off the lug from the casting. I had to purchase another HB and am now attempting to have the parts supplier refund hopefully the purchase cost. After consultation wiht the supplier the mechanic locked the flywheel when tightening the second HB. All in all an expensive little exercise between parts and dealer labour rates.
Only question now is was the aftermarket HB a one off dud or are they all like that from that supplier. Hopefully the former in which case in the long run I was probably lucky that it broke during installation.
I thought the motor sounded like the pinging/ preignition in my old HQ holden when I was a young fellow, hear anything like this I would advise a serious look at the HB very quickly.

[Disco Muppet]

Hi Phil. Yep metallic noises from the engine bay are often a sign of HB on the way out, as well as a squeak on shut down. Not sure about aftermarket HBs, as I said I'd really only trust genuine for such a critical engine component unless it was OEM standard. I'd say you've either got a dud or the LR dealer cocked up the install something chronic and as such, you're lucky it happened on install and they should cough up. We used to live in Tamworth with our first D2, the service at the LR stealer used to be fantastic, the mechanic really knew his stuff. Then he left :(
Cheers
Muppet

[Hay Ewe]

I got on the phone and had parts (Harmonic Balance , fan and belt) there next morning several hundred dollars cheaper than those that they had quoted. Well & good. 2:30pm that afternoon I get a call from them to inform me that they have broken the new balance whilost installing it using the technique recommended by Land Rover (Special tool to hold Balance which has two pins that fit into the bolt holes in the casting, snapped off the lug from the casting. I had to purchase another HB and am now attempting to have the parts supplier refund hopefully the purchase cost. .

Makes you wonder if it was 'broken' because you didnt get the parts from them?

Anyway, am getting in to looking at all this kinda stuff on our D2a, whilst he only has 145,000km on him, age is catching up on a few things

Hay Ewe

[northiam]

Replacing the belt tensioner and fan hub bearings would be good preventative repair for the HB. Also check damper flywheel to crank pulley bolts torque.
Replacing my tensioner this week.

[justinc]

Makes you wonder if it was 'broken' because you didnt get the parts from them?

Anyway, am getting in to looking at all this kinda stuff on our D2a, whilst he only has 145,000km on him, age is catching up on a few things

Hay Ewe

:confused::eek: Steady on that's kinda harsh old chap:(

JC

[greg smith]

All the best!!!!!! I went through all this last year--made all the locking tools myself bought a 500mm 1/2" extension joined it up with a300mm covered it with a steam pipe and bent the 'b-----' out it tightening it all up....bought my new aftermarket HB from England replaced tensioner water pump and PS pump[main culprit] and belt car was off the road for over a month and I thought seriously of a replacement 4WD-----just couldn't find a better one--- What I have since found out is : get to know your LR mechanic their info and experience can save you a lot of skinned knuckles and$$$$: It took a few years and a lot of that green stuff before I found mine

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

Mine just spat it yesterday. Main balancer body and pulley is intact but it broke off where the front ring bolts up.
Was lucky enough to be able to extract the ring from behind the fan after snapping off a few loose fan bits and limp back home being it was only 3km's away.

Linnrover had a spare one that was used on Sarahs car to diagnose a vibration fault and had only done a couple of thousand k's however I lucked out on the fan which sold the day before. Currently hunting for a good price on one.

First failure the Discos given me in the 4 years I've had it, anything else has been preventative maintenance.

[djam1]

I have a fan in Karratha I just took it off of my car chasing a vibration as it had a little bit of play in the bearing.
The fan works perfectly I don't think there is anything wrong with it as it didn't fix the issue I had its done 201000 Ks
Depends how much you need it I guess

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

Prefer to go new one, mine has done a few hundred short of 200,000k's

Can get a genuine one new for $330 locally so might just go with that foe insurance sake coming into summer here now, but thanks for the offer!

[R2D2]

Can get a genuine one new for $330 locally ![/QUOTE]

:eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2:
$330 GENUINE!!! Ill take two. Who's got them?

cheers
Todd

[bob10]

Just wondering , could there be a link between HB failure, & oil leaks in the front of the engine, over time, considering the amount of rubber in its construction? It would be interesting to see if those who have had the HB go, have a history of oil leaks in that area. Just a thought, Bob

[BilboBoggles]

Just wondering , could there be a link between HB fail & oil leaks in the front of the engine, over time, considering the amount of rubber in its construction? It would be interesting to see if those who have had the HB go, have a history of oil leaks in that area. Just a thought, Bob

Yes, mine was eaten out by a leaking power steering pump. The rubber had gone soft and disintegrated
.

[bob10]

Yes, mine was eaten out by a leaking power steering pump. The rubber had gone soft and disintegrated
.

Do you know if the leak came from the O ring gasket beneath the pump on the low pressure side? Just replaced that O ring, but has been leaking for a while. The reason I asked that question, I have seen photos on here at times that show caked on oil etc at the front of the engine when discussing other issues. Good enough reason to fix those leaks, & keep it clean, I guess. Bob