D2 recovery points

[PhilipA]

I was just looking at the "interesting discussion" on the D1 site re recovery points, as I had a look under my D2 on the weekend.

My 2002 D2 has what I presume to be a very strong looking "car anti submarine bar" behind the bumper, with the tow loop sandwiched between it and the chassis.
Besides making it difficult to fit a recovery point, due to the bar being formed with ridges, to me the bar itself looks strong enough for recovery by simply looping a Snatch strap around it, as there is only a small distance between the turn and the mounting bolts. I plan to take off the towing hook and recover from the bar if necessary.
Any thoughts on this/ Has anyone used this as a recovery point, with good or bad outcomes?
Regards Philip A

[steve b]

Hi Philip

The tube you are talking about is definitely not strong enough for recovery, you can remove the bar, and replace it with a pair of recovery hooks attached to the same bolt pattern on each rail. There is also a bash plate steering guard available from the same suppliers to replace the bar. If you look up D2 front recovery points in the recovery section you should find them, there are a couple of suppliers.

Regards

Steve.

[Baffle]

Nooo, better options, as above . You can keep the wombat bar though

[Tank]

I was just looking at the "interesting discussion" on the D1 site re recovery points, as I had a look under my D2 on the weekend.

My 2002 D2 has what I presume to be a very strong looking "car anti submarine bar" behind the bumper, with the tow loop sandwiched between it and the chassis.
Besides making it difficult to fit a recovery point, due to the bar being formed with ridges, to me the bar itself looks strong enough for recovery by simply looping a Snatch strap around it, as there is only a small distance between the turn and the mounting bolts. I plan to take off the towing hook and recover from the bar if necessary.
Any thoughts on this/ Has anyone used this as a recovery point, with good or bad outcomes?
Regards Philip A
Phillip, I don't comment on D2's or any vehicle equipped with Air bags, I would consult Land Rover or a qualified engineer when it comes to Air bags/sensors that may or may not work if you modify the front of the vehicle, regards Frank.

[northiam]

Phillip, I don't comment on D2's or any vehicle equipped with Air bags, I would consult Land Rover or a qualified engineer when it comes to Air bags/sensors that may or may not work if you modify the front of the vehicle, regards Frank.

There are no upfront sensors are there?
Isnt the impact sensor under the centre consule?
Thanks

[PhilipA]

Thanks Tank.
the Wombat bar fits to the pre airbag bumper mounts so is behind the crush cans ie will have no effect on air bag deployment, which is also controlled by the crash sensor in the console.
I didn't plan to change anything anyway. I was trying to use an existing component for recovery, but failing that I will probably use a "Toyota Hook" on a plate that I made for my RRC , as the mounts are identical.

Really I was reacting to your point about the recovery brackets with horizontal holes being a poor design, as I initially planned to use them, as cutting 5/16 steel with a hacksaw to make mount plates is pretty tedious.
A good design is the Jate hooks used in UK which are a cast bracket that fits either side of the chassis, but again no anti submarine or wombat bar possible.
Regards Philip A

[steve b]

Hi Frank

The recovery points fit behind the crush cans, so they do not affect airbag deployment, 4x4 intelligence is one of the suppliers, and there are others. You should also use an equalizer strap of sufficient length to spread the load between the 2 rails if using a snatch strap.

Regards Steve.

[Disco Muppet]

Hi Phillip.
Assuming you're talking about the wombat bar, flat no.
I almost put a hole in mine accidentally standing on it, recovery strains would tear it to pieces.
I know horizontally drilled recovery points aren't ideal, but I always use both points and have a safety feature basically as described by Tank in the big recovery techniques thread.
This photo shows my two recovery points, complete with wombat bar still attached. It's fiddly, but it can be done and I'd rather protect my steering arm.
Oh and please ignore the leaking diff breather and the winch cable not spooled on under tension :D
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/08/914.jpg
Cheers
Muppet

[elshano]

So are they mounted between the crush cans and the wombat bar..?

[Disco Muppet]

So are they mounted between the crush cans and the wombat bar..?

Wombat bar mounts to outer side of the crush cans, recovery points mount to the inner side.

[gavinwibrow]

Mine too are bolted immediately behind (rearwards of) the crush cans but to the outsides of the chassis rails. My wombat bar has been removed and replaced by a sump/steering guard and just for overkill, oversize steering rods fitted.

[Hoges]

Could I suggest substituting slightly longer bolts for those attaching the radius arms to the axle and bolting a captive hook each side to attach a towing cable when required as per the following. Not as "sexy" as a prominent JATE attachment but more effective engineering-wise... definitely worth a read

Technical Review of ADR (http://www.yican.com.au/ADR/TechADR.html)

EDIT: see also http://www.yican.com.au/ADR/ADRMain.htm for field trials

cheers

[p38arover]

I tried to buy one of these a few years back but he was no longer making them.

[Hoges]

I am thinking of buying a 10m "Recover Fast recovery strop" #131059 from Bullivants ... Bullivants: Lifting, Rigging, Safety, Engineering, NATA, Quality, Technical (http://www.bullivants.com/default.asp)

[plaven]

I'm looking into options for recovery points myself and was about to head outside to get a photo of the front of the car under the bull bar and came across this post of Muppet's:


Wombat bar mounts to outer side of the crush cans, recovery points mount to the inner side.


Since my front end looks the same, what the heck is a Wombat bar and what's it for?

I can see that should be able to bolt the recovery points to the inside... will have a look tomorrow.

[Disco Muppet]

Since my front end looks the same, what the heck is a Wombat bar and what's it for?

I can see that should be able to bolt the recovery points to the inside... will have a look tomorrow.

Protects things like tie rod arm, etc. I.e if you hit wombat/dog, etc and it goes under, it won't (theoretically) bend the steering arm and send you violently off the road.
It took me a while to work out I could do recovery points and wombat bar, the original bolts would only hold the points on, and by half a threads worth of the nut :o :p
So longer bolts are needed, good idea to go a size up as well.
It's quite fiddly putting the bar and points on at the same time, helps if you have an assistant but it's doable :)
Rather have the piece of mind, and I think it looks a bit better, as I'm not a huge fan of frontal bash plates but to each their own :cool:

[plaven]

Thanks Muppet.

I'll place an order for the recovery points. I'll admit I was bit disappointed when I looked under the front to see that bar. Glad I came across your photo. :)

[joel0407]

These are mine.



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/01/1111.jpg (http://s560.photobucket.com/user/joel0407/media/Disco/fphoto3_zps35d964bf.jpg.html)

And with the winch installed


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/01/1112.jpg (http://s560.photobucket.com/user/joel0407/media/Disco/dphoto2_zps39262b94.jpg.html)

[simonl8353]

;)https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/01/900.jpg (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/Simonl8353/media/14745c6c.jpg.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/01/901.jpg (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/Simonl8353/media/ef76d557.jpg.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/01/902.jpg (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/Simonl8353/media/file-15.jpg.html)

This is my solution since I don't have a bull bar fitted. Install a second tow point. (yes I know, I know, I'll not call it a 'recovery point' as I know exactly where this discussion will go).
ps, that's a 8.8mm Dynamica Rope rated 6.6T (at splice). Works for me on my trips.

[Expatdisco3]

71200

Got an APT fabrication steering guard with recovery points which is pretty heavy duty!

[joel0407]

Well I just dropped my Wombat bar and Original "Recovery" point in the bin. If anyone wants a second one, just let me know before Wednesday (rubbish day).

Happy Days.

[philco]

Hi Phillip.
Assuming you're talking about the wombat bar, flat no.
I almost put a hole in mine accidentally standing on it, recovery strains would tear it to pieces.
I know horizontally drilled recovery points aren't ideal, but I always use both points and have a safety feature basically as described by Tank in the big recovery techniques thread.
This photo shows my two recovery points, complete with wombat bar still attached. It's fiddly, but it can be done and I'd rather protect my steering arm.
Oh and please ignore the leaking diff breather and the winch cable not spooled on under tension :D
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/08/914.jpg
Cheers
Muppet

They look like my philco recovery points

[philco]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/verandah/108967-recovery-points-discovery-1-2-a.html

[PhilipA]

I think I posted in another thread that I was able to keep my wombat bar by making mounting points from 10MM steel that followed the shape of the factory recovery point mounts and bolting "Toyota" 10,000Lb hooks onto the mounts. I used 11MM 8.8 bolts or the SAE equivalent.

These are able to be fitted inside the chassis rails and emerge in the correct position. They are tight for a shackle but great for a bridle.

I made 2 of these and have one each side. I found a plastic cover from some Jap protection plate complete with mounting studs on Stockton which makes a great cover for the RH side.
Best of all they were free as I had the bits , except for the saw blades.
Regards Philip A

[Disco Muppet]

Hia Philco.
Yep, they're yours!
Came with the bar 2nd hand.