Alive or BAS

[c.h.i.e.f]

With a new 2.2 130 puma on the way I thought I would ask what do people prefer in the way of remaps Alive or BAS? Why so? And at what cost ?

I have been in another members 2.4 130 with a alive remap moderate tune (?) it went very well and made it quite drivable....

Personally I would have preferred a 2.4 like my previous 110 but the 2.2 still felt like it went ok and is all that's available so ill have to deal with it...

[Benny_IIA]

I don't think you could go wrong with either IRB are very good as well(hard to get a hold of though)

If I remember correct Pete from BAS works/ed for JLR engine development so his knowledge is second to none.

If you read defender2 forums BAS puts a lots of his development work up on there.

[Aaron]

Hi Chief

been new car, are you going to be keeping everything standard?

[TwoUp]

I am going with BAS, as soon as I finish a couple of jobs on the car. I have had a Dyno done on the 2.2, but in the wrong gear (4th). The MT82 gearbox 1.1 is actually fith gear. So when done I will have the Dyno done again and use both 4th and 5th. 4th for comparison and 5th for integrity's sake. Two nuts and three clips to undo and it's off.

Cheers,
PeterW

[c.h.i.e.f]

Hi Chief

been new car, are you going to be keeping everything standard?

I may consider bolting a sals rear diff under it at some stage along with a better intercooler and a 3" exhaust...

[c.h.i.e.f]

I am going with BAS, as soon as I finish a couple of jobs on the car. I have had a Dyno done on the 2.2, but in the wrong gear (4th). The MT82 gearbox 1.1 is actually fith gear. So when done I will have the Dyno done again and use both 4th and 5th. 4th for comparison and 5th for integrity's sake. Two nuts and three clips to undo and it's off.

Cheers,
PeterW

Very interested in what you find...

[Aaron]

I may consider bolting a sals rear diff under it at some stage along with a better intercooler and a 3" exhaust...

Is that before or after the tune?

[c.h.i.e.f]

Is that before or after the tune?

Well I have been in discussion with one of the above mentioned in regards to fitting an exhaust along side installing the tune however they do not suggest it will be a good idea and may cause damage however I think that is rubbish as the ecu would monitor boost pressure and if it doesn't a boost gauge will tell me if fitting a larger exhaust has miraculously dropped back pressure that much it is allowing over speeding of the turbo...I'd like to fit the intercooler first so its ready to accommodate the extra heat produced however I am unsure as what to do first hmmm

[TimNZ]

BAS 100% Great guy, knows his stuff.

[OffTrack]

It's worth having a chat to José at Td5Inside - he's a forum member and does very nice remaps.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/td5inside.html

td5 INSIDE The ultimate solutions for remapping TD5´s (http://www.td5inside.com)

cheers
Paul

[Aaron]

It's worth having a chat to José at Td5Inside - he's a forum member and does very nice remaps.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/td5inside.html

td5 INSIDE The ultimate solutions for remapping TD5´s (http://www.td5inside.com)

cheers
Paul

There is not mention on his site about Puma Remaps ?

[td5inside]

td5inside is a brand created specidically for the 5 cilinder engine, and thats why there is no reference to other makes/models in our site!

We do have our main brand wich is performanceINSIDE that works with all car brands!!

Regarding the puma we have been working on it, and we have already reached a good level of performance...

This is our own 2.4 puma development car !!!

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/'set=a.444929882234694.103205.136183586442660&type=3


Watch this video of it....this was in 2ª gear hi-range with 35" tyres!!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151501383148941&set=vb.136183586442660&type=3

And another vídeo:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151501369398941&set=vb.136183586442660&type=3

But....there is always a but :)

Problem for us is the remote remapping procedure!! We do not have enough td4 pumas overhere, wich make it profitable to buy a few alientech powergate slave machines (wich are the atric and the basremap interface), so our remote remap program for this car is not possible!

Regards

[Tombie]

Well I have been in discussion with one of the above mentioned in regards to fitting an exhaust along side installing the tune however they do not suggest it will be a good idea and may cause damage however I think that is rubbish as the ecu would monitor boost pressure and if it doesn't a boost gauge will tell me if fitting a larger exhaust has miraculously dropped back pressure that much it is allowing over speeding of the turbo...I'd like to fit the intercooler first so its ready to accommodate the extra heat produced however I am unsure as what to do first hmmm

"I asked a professional who said something I don't like so I'm going to completely ignore their advice..." :D

Sounds like a great idea. :/

Did you by chance tell them what size exhaust you were planning?

Or maybe try this approach?

"What else could I do to get the best out of this vehicle?"

[TimNZ]

Also if you are remapping a 2.2 your options are limited. I have only seen one company prove they can do it, and they have posted the dyno results - BAS.

http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic18631.html

[c.h.i.e.f]

"I asked a professional who said something I don't like so I'm going to completely ignore their advice..." :D

Sounds like a great idea. :/

Did you by chance tell them what size exhaust you were planning?

Or maybe try this approach?

"What else could I do to get the best out of this vehicle?"

I did happen to ask the question about how I could get some more performance but that was convieniently overlooked ...
I did tell them exhaust size i was planning on using which I was then given the answer about it is not a good idea as it could cause damage and they do not advise it at this stage...this does not mean I am going to run out and do exactly what they said not to but I did mention to them if there theory was correct that leads me to believe landrover have designed it terribly with relying on exhaust back pressure to govern boost etc etc which seems weird for an electronically controlled system...we all should know a large exhaust doesn't hurt anything!

[Aaron]

If I go with BAS Ill be going along with what they recommend. Ill try and get a before and after dyno also.

[frantic]

Not trying to hijack this thread but alive have what appears to be a code reader(ATRIC) with their label on it. ATRIC Remap module (Early cars) (http://www.alivetuning.com/alive-boutique/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=115)
Not being a tech but does this ATRIC work like the nanocom a lot of people use to mod/flash their td5 or puma and store the flash tunes and how good is it for td5's????
Has anyone here used it????

To me getting a tuning unit and the 2 states of tune in one unit make sense.

[Tombie]

Not trying to hijack this thread but alive have what appears to be a code reader(ATRIC) with their label on it. ATRIC Remap module (Early cars) (http://www.alivetuning.com/alive-boutique/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=115)
Not being a tech but does this ATRIC work like the nanocom a lot of people use to mod/flash their td5 or puma and store the flash tunes and how good is it for td5's????
Has anyone here used it????

To me getting a tuning unit and the 2 states of tune in one unit make sense.

Atric, BAS modules etc are the same as each other.

They are Alientech units.

They do engine only diagnostic, fault clearing and can store 3 maps.
(Original, mod 1, mod 2)

[OffTrack]

There is not mention on his site about Puma Remaps ?

My bad, missed the Puma. :angel:

[Sitec]

Watching with interest... If you are buying new, 'run it in' first! :). grover7488 has something for sale in the Engine Ancillaries bit that might interest you....

[Tombie]

Watching with interest... If you are buying new, 'run it in' first! :). grover7488 has something for sale in the Engine Ancillaries bit that might interest you....

And why do you say that... ;)

Chipped all bar my D4 from new with no issues.

There is no reason not to..

[Symo]

I have only read a few comments here, been traveling and missed out on some time with this wonderful forum.

I have a 2.4 puma, wanted some extra power and a friend suggested a steinbauer chip- so I did. Rough performance. Smoky exhaust and higher engine temperatures. Took it back and they tweaked but was never really happy. Hung in there for 6 months before I spat it, ripped it out and contacted Peter at BAS. Loaded the modified map and wow, I am impressed. Doesn't spin wheels but it's like a new car, more power, smooth delivery, no smoke.

Really happy with BAS....

P.S. steinbauer free to good home. Will suit avid fisherman.

[Lorryman100]

Also if you are remapping a 2.2 your options are limited. I have only seen one company prove they can do it, and they have posted the dyno results - BAS.

Defender2 - View topic - Defender 2.2TDCi Remap Tuning Ready! (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic18631.html)

True, but there is no remote mapping option on the 2.2 available as of yet using an alien tech remap interface. Yes you can get another ECU with the remap pre programmed on it or have the remap installed onto the original ECU by taking it to the remap supplier. If you go for the additional ECU with remap pre installed you will still have the original ECU for dealer visits so the warranty won't be put at risk......just swap the ECU's over. A bit pricey for the 2.2 though....£830 :o

[Symo]

True, but there is no remote mapping option on the 2.2 available as of yet using an alien tech remap interface. Yes you can get another ECU with the remap pre programmed on it or have the remap installed onto the original ECU by taking it to the remap supplier. If you go for the additional ECU with remap pre installed you will still have the original ECU for dealer visits so the warranty won't be put at risk......just swap the ECU's over. A bit pricey for the 2.2 though....£830 :o

Sorry, though Pete at BAS had the 2.2 sorted..... silly question but have you sent an email to Pete to ask? Last time we communicated (about my car) I was sure he said he had the 2.2 sorted. ( In china now on work and no access to my emails from pete)

[Yorkshire_Jon]

Just my 2c worth, 99% of all remaps originate from Pete at BAS.

For my money we should only goto Pete... The bloke is a true gent and reads his newspapers in binary:) what he doesn't know about any Landy ecu isn't worth knowing.

R
J

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[Lorryman100]

Sorry, though Pete at BAS had the 2.2 sorted..... silly question but have you sent an email to Pete to ask? Last time we communicated (about my car) I was sure he said he had the 2.2 sorted. ( In china now on work and no access to my emails from pete)

No need to email him, he tells you himself here that he needs the ECU on his bench to apply the remap:

Defender2 - View topic - Defender 2.2TDCi Remap Tuning Ready! (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic18631.html)

http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic19472.html

HTH Brian.

[Symo]

No need to email him, he tells you himself here that he needs the ECU on his bench to apply the remap:

Defender2 - View topic - Defender 2.2TDCi Remap Tuning Ready! (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic18631.html)

Defender2 - View topic - Warranty friendly 2.2 remap (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic19472.html)

HTH Brian.

I stand corrected. its all good. I have 2.4 puma so didn't pay a lot of attention to the 2.2. Pete has done it as I had thought, however its NOT a simple hand held tool remap as for the 2.4....... Im sure Pete will come up with something soon - he is a clever bloke ( and a nice bloke too )