what years for snowy vehicles?

[incisor]

what years would snowy mountains land rovers be?

TIA

[Lotz-A-Landies]

IIRC 1950 model through 1974 (after that the scheme was complete).

The first vehicle listed for anything to do with Snowy Mountains is #06101169 to "Dept. Workers Housing (for Snowy Mountains Hydro Elec. Auth)" on 28/11/49.

That doesn't mean that other vehicles supplied earlier than Nov 1949 to Dept. of Supply (Commonwealth) or NSW Forestry or private sales through Monaro Trading were not used on the scheme before the vehicles were sold direct to SMHEC or SMHEA.

[Summiitt]

They were running defenders as late as 1998..

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Yes but after 1974 it was merely a hydro-electricity and water supply company not an organisation constructing an iconic civil engineering project.

The really sad thing is if there was a need and motivation to build it or a similar project today, it would never get through the Greens and enviromentalists.

[101 Ron]

A old modern motor mag I have which tests a Landrover from the Snowys scheme is dated 1955.
They picked one out of a yard of nothing else other than Landrovers to test drive.
They must have been in common use by that date on the scheme.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

1955 was pre the first trial of the Toyota LC in 1958 and then only by Theiss constructions not SMHEA.

About that time mid to late 1950s the SMHEA had the largest fleet of Land Rovers anywhere in the world. There were even Rover Co engineers embedded at the Grenville Motors branch at Polo Flat (Cooma) that were there to report back problems to Solihull.

[Killer]

I am pretty sure the SMA was using Land Cruisers late in the scheme. (These are my recollections as a pre teenage kid growing up on the Victorian side of the scheme.)

Cheers, Mick.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

A lot of the Land Cruisers on the project were operated by Theiss Bros constructions and the major contractor Kaiser Walsh Perini Raymond P/L

I remember SMA still using Land Rovers when I started going down there in the early 1970s to ski.

[Killer]

A lot of the Land Cruisers on the project were operated by Theiss Bros constructions and the major contractor Kaiser Walsh Perini Raymond P/L

I remember SMA still using Land Rovers when I started going down there in the early 1970s to ski.

I am pretty certain that the cruisers that I remember had the SMA commonwealth gov't number plates on them, so i would think they were SMA vehicles rather than contractors vehicles. But as I said I was young and it was a long time ago, and I only saw what was happening around the Murray 1 & 2 operations.

Cheers, Mick.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

A lot of the Land Cruisers on the project were operated by Theiss Bros constructions and the major contractor Kaiser Walsh Perini Raymond P/L

I remember SMA still using Land Rovers when I started going down there in the early 1970s to ski.I am pretty certain that the cruisers that I remember had the SMA commonwealth gov't number plates on them, so i would think they were SMA vehicles rather than contractors vehicles. But as I said I was young and it was a long time ago, and I only saw what was happening around the Murray 1 & 2 operations.

Cheers, Mick.Hi Mick

You will notice that I didn't say all!

Diana

[Killer]

Hi Mick

You will notice that I didn't say all!

Diana


G'day Diana, you will notice that I didn't say you were wrong either.:angel: I was just stating what my recollections were.:) I appologise if I came across as disagreeing with you.

Cheers, Mick

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I guess I'm sick of hearing that Toyota built the Snowy Mountains Scheme usually spruked by LC drivers.

When the Snowy Mountains Scheme museum was originally opened it was sponsored by Toyota and they weren't allowed to display any artifacts or photos of Land Rovers.

[Killer]

I guess I'm sick of hearing that Toyota built the Snowy Mountains Scheme usually spruked by LC drivers.

When the Snowy Mountains Scheme museum was originally opened it was sponsored by Toyota and they weren't allowed to display any artifacts or photos of Land Rovers.

I understand completely where you are coming from there.:mad:

Cheers, Mick.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I do remember that the FJ55 Land Cruiser wagons were very popular because of the car like interiors. But lets face it most of the hard work on the scheme was done by the 80" and 86" Land Rovers, by the time Toyota arrived on the scene the roads and bridges had mostly been built so all they needed the 4WD for was the snow drifts and very occasional off road.

[Summiitt]

The snowy hydro museum at adaminaby has a couple of original sma landys on display as well as a heap of original earthmoving equipment from the scheme...no land cruisers in sight!

[Sharpy]

Have been reading this (and other SMHEA related) threads for quite some time. Attached is a photo of what I believe to be one of the first batch of Land Rovers taken late December 1949. Rego: C-62002
Other SMHEA vehicles in use at the time included US Army weapon carriers, GMC 6 x 6 trucks and from 1952, Dodge Power Wagons. More photos to come.
Sharpy.

[Sharpy]

Photo of C-62005 dated march 1950.

cheers, Sharpy

[bobslandies]

Both these vehicles (C-62002 and C-62005) have the metal Grenville Motors badge on the near side front guard:

Bob

[Chops]

I guess I'm sick of hearing that Toyota built the Snowy Mountains Scheme usually spruked by LC drivers.



WHAT!!! you mean they didn't?? :angel:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Photo of C-62005 dated march 1950.

cheers, SharpyYou do realise that the original of that image is reversed?

Tumut Gorge 1950
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/282.jpg

Also:

Happy Jacks Town 1956 - Alpine Road winching 1956
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/480.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/366.jpg

Connors Hill 1951
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/564.jpg

Tumut Ponds campsite 1952 -
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/570.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/571.jpg

Thornycroft mighty Antar 1962 -
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/557.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/569.jpg

PM Menzies tour 1959 - Tumut Ponds bailey bridge 1951
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/283.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/567.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/553.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/566.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/565.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/10/382.jpg

[chazza]

I guess I'm sick of hearing that Toyota built the Snowy Mountains Scheme usually spruked by LC drivers.



Don't forget Toyota's totally misleading TV ad, debunked by the ABC Investigators programme, who coined the jingle - "Oh what a feeling; Land Rover."

You are too kind when you described the Land Loser as having a "car-like" interior. Steel dash, with seats which were agony for a young back and nothing is different in their 2000's models.

Oh what a feeling - pain and disappointment!

[Sharpy]

Another pic.

[wrinklearthur]

with seats which were agony for a young back and nothing is different in their 2000's models. Oh what a feeling - pain and disappointment!

They jump for joy when they get out, because of that seat ---- !
I used to own a FJ40 and I know .
.

It was well known around the Tasmanian circles that the biggest single order given in the 60's for supply of Land Rovers, was made by The Tasmanian Hydro Electric Commission and that order exceeded the numbers ordered by the Commonwealth Department of Defence.

.

[Sharpy]

Tumut Pond area 1950

[B.S.F.]

Motor pool at Cabramurra.This picture appeared in the L/R Owner Int. mag.June 96. .w.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

G Ward Price (Chief Engineer) Tumut Pond site 1949 - George Henderson, Tumut Ponds Clear Creek 1949
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/474.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/223.jpg

- No 2 Dam site - sinking shaft 1950 - Tumut No2 Dam Site 1950
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/224.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/225.jpg

Campsite possibly 1949 otherwise 1950
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/560.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/562.jpg

Mile Camp 1950 - NAA Image 3230160 1950
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/561.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/563.jpg

Adaminaby Dam Road 1950 - Eucumbene River Adaminaby 1950
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/541.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/02/153.jpg

Cooma 1950 -
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/226.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/549.jpg

"Kings Cross" Cabramatta 1950 - Tumut Pond - Mt Jagungal 1950
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/547.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/227.jpg

Jindabyne Road Flooded 1950 - HD 19 Bulldozer 1950 -
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/548.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/228.jpg

Tumut Pond Staff Quarters 1950 - Polo Flat (Cooma) 1951
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/229.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/230.jpg

Some Tickfords - Sen Spooner + Commissioner Island Bend 1951 (second image posted above)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/231.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/571.jpg

Island Bend future town 1950 - Tumut Pond Rd 1Mile from 3 mile camp 1950
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/175.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/232.jpg

Island Bend Workshop Tent Camp 1950
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/233.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/234.jpg

Island bend Staff barracks 1950 - Low loader on Island Bend rd 1951
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/235.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/236.jpg

Engineers Conference Tumut Dam 1952 - Campsite Tumut River campsite 1952
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/559.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/496.jpg
End of Tickfords

Munyang Power Station Site 1951 (image reversed) - Tumut Pond 1951
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/482.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/484.jpg

Barneys Creek Camp 1951 - Island Bend Scene 1951
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/478.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/237.jpg

Crossing Eucumbene River 1951 - Survey Indi River 1956 (second image shown above)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/568.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/569.jpg

Smiggins Hole 1951
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/485.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/238.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/486.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/239.jpg

Geehi Valley 1956 - Guthega Dam Site 1957
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/240.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/551.jpg

Survey Base Camp 1956 - Tumut No.2 1960
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/550.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/552.jpg

Dead Horse Gap KosciuszkoRd 1956
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/483.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/241.jpg

Threadbo Valley Rd 1956 - Threadbo Snow Scene 1956
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/242.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/243.jpg

Alpine Road to Indi River 1956 - Happy Jacks Town 1956
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/244.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/480.jpg

Tantangara Camp 1959 - Alpine Way Khancoban Creek 1960
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/481.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/479.jpg
Above Images public domain - National Archives of Australia - filename contains NAA Image reference number.

Private Image Joe Zelei circa 1956
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/245.jpg

[123rover50]

Wow. Great photos from all of you. Where have they been hiding all these years.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

All but one of mine come from the National Archives, in about 2006 I searched thousands of images on the Snowy Scheme up to the end of the 1950s and this is a selection of the ones I retained. There are others where I not convinced the dot in the background is a land rover. Do you want more?

There is still one image I want to find. It is an image of two tunnels joining in one cavern. On two levels you can see Series 1 landies.

BTW did you notice the two tickfords in the Engineers Conference and campsite images?

[123rover50]

I saw one Tickford in the distance. I will go back and look for the other:)
Makes one wonder what happened to the half dozen Tickfords from the Snowy Scheme:(
If you have the time to post more photos I am sure we will all appreciate them.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Mt Jagungal 1950 - Staff hostel Site 1950
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/196.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/197.jpg

Bald Mt Creek Camp 1951 - Road to Guthega Barracks 1951
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/198.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/199.jpg

Talbingo Camp 1951 - Smiggin Perisher Rd 1951
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/200.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/201.jpg

Guthega Rd 1952 - Roadworks 1952 (Cooma Area)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/202.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/203.jpg

Guthega Access Roadworks (1st image reversed) 1952
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/824.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/204.jpg

Guthega Access Road 1952 - Munyang Power Station Access Rd 1952
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/823.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/205.jpg

Tumut scene 1951 - Scene 1952 -
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/206.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/207.jpg

SMA Administrative Head Office Cooma under construction 1952 -
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/829.jpg

Smiggin Holes Staging Camp 1952
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/208.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/209.jpg


Land Rover late 50/51 model accident brake hose detached 1952 -
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/210.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/211.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/212.jpg

Tumut Dam 1954 - Thornycroft Antar with landy following 1954
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/213.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/214.jpg

Eucumbene Dam site cleared 1956 - Threadbo scene 1955
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/215.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/826.jpg

Reeds Flat geehi 1956 - Geehi Access Rd Bogng Ck 1961
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/827.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/828.jpg

Kings Cross Cabramurra 1955 -
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/216.jpg

Tumut Tunnel 1957 - SMA Geehi Mt Kosciuszko 1958
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/217.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/218.jpg

PM Robert Menzies Tour 1959
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/219.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/220.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/221.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/222.jpg

All Images public domain - National Archives of Australia - filename contains NAA Image reference number.

[B.S.F.]

All but one of mine come from the National A

There is still one image I want to find. It is an image of two tunnels joining in one cavern. On two levels you can see Series 1 lan

This one perhaps? .W.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

This one perhaps? .W.
Possibly, but I seem to remember at least two Landies in the image, it may even be the same location and series but closer view of the upper levels.


I saw one Tickford in the distance. I will go back and look for the other:)
Makes one wonder what happened to the half dozen Tickfords from the Snowy Scheme:(
If you have the time to post more photos I am sure we will all appreciate them.A lot of the early images were taken using Tickfords. The photographers were attached to administration/public relations as were the Tickfords, so what you find is the Tickford somewhere in scene. I've grouped them together but sometimes its only the large window or roof line that gives them away.

[Chops]

All but one of mine come from the National Archives, in about 2006 I searched thousands of images on the Snowy Scheme up to the end of the 1950s and this is a selection of the ones I retained. There are others where I not convinced the dot in the background is a land rover. Do you want more?

There is still one image I want to find. It is an image of two tunnels joining in one cavern. On two levels you can see Series 1 landies.

BTW did you notice the two tickfords in the Engineers Conference and campsite images?


Absolutely thanks,, as many pics as you want. :D
By the way, excuse my ignorance, but what specifically is a "Tickford" that you talk of?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Marcus

The Tickford are a variant of the 80" with a station wagon body built by Tickford. The coachwork was a timber frame with metal cladding common in british cars of the pre war and early post war era. 123Rover50 has an avatar with his.

They were discontinued about the same time as the metal hard tops were introduced. The snowy mountans scheme had about 5 of them IIRC.

Diana

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/174.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/570.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/175.jpg

[digger]

The '49 80" that participates in the ADELAIDE ANZAC Day Parade each year started its life as a Snowy vehicle apparently. (so the owner/restorer advised me this year).

It is a magnificent vehicle and I didnt look any further unfortunately but what I know of the owner he isnt prone to exaggerate so I believe him.

(He marches with the RAAF UBON section each year, I'll try and find some photos but I hope maybe someone from SA may have some photos of it they can put up.)

Chops, the TICKFORDs are a beautiful vehicle, check out the restoration thread youll find it with a search here. - I think you'll like them.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Digger

The problem is that all Land Rover vehicles supplied to the SMHEC went through the Grenville Motors books and there is no evidence of a 1949 being supplied to them. The first ones, mentioned earlier in this thread, were 1950 models 0610 prefix.

There were however earlier vehicles supplied to the Dept of Supply, the agency that purchased vehicles for the Commonwealth, so there is a possibility of earlier vehicles being supplied to SMHEC via Supply. I can confirm these vehicles if you can find a chassis/car number.

[pop058]

Absolutely thanks,, as many pics as you want. :D
By the way, excuse my ignorance, but what specifically is a "Tickford" that you talk of?


Hi Marcus

The Tickford are a variant of the 80" with a station wagon body built by Tickford. The coachwork was a timber frame with metal cladding common in british cars of the pre war and early post war era. 123Rover50 has an avatar with his.

They were discontinued about the same time as the metal hard tops were introduced. The snowy mountans scheme had about 5 of them IIRC.

Diana

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/174.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/570.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/175.jpg


a couple of pics of Keith's (123rover50) Tickford. :)

[B.S.F.]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/171.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/bsfnut/media/snowyc_zps0de0831a.jpg.html)
Sorry about the quality.(From literature collected at the 50th Snowy reunion.)

[back_in]

Sorry Digger, Victor's car is a 50 80 inch
may have been put together by the 28.12.49
you should have seen it when it had Hub Caps, bling etc
re Dennis's little brush with a log etc etc
I penned a yarn with photos, inc your self and trophy for the mag
send me a PM with your e mail address and I send you a copy
cheers
Ian

[78RRman]

I guess I'm sick of hearing that Toyota built the Snowy Mountains Scheme usually spruked by LC drivers.

When the Snowy Mountains Scheme museum was originally opened it was sponsored by Toyota and they weren't allowed to display any artifacts or photos of Land Rovers.

It's funny that the Thiess bros. imported the first 13 toyotas in 1958 after all the hard stuff was done and substantial infrastructure was in place according to Toyota owners people must have just walked for the first nine years of the project. ;) love the photos keep them coming :)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Quite correct, in fact most of ther really early survey and road engineering work was done by the 80" models.

In the era of the 86 and 107 models starting in '54, the major roads to the sites were in place although rough and subject to mud and rutting. By '58 most of the roads were "all weather" gravel with 4WD required during the winter snows and spring melt in some places.

[87County]

Resurrecting an older thread but it seemed to be the most appropriate place to post.



Here are some photographs of the B&W photographs on display at the Adaminaby museum - their archives must hold a lot of treasures !

Beside the S1s, there's a Dodge WC and the Antars

Also notice the dozer crew's safety gear (none) :)

anyhow, you S1 and older vehicle enthusiasts - enjoy



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/1309.jpg (http://s708.photobucket.com/user/87county/media/triptosnowymtnsandtemora005_zps18859e22.jpg.html)



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/207.jpg (http://s708.photobucket.com/user/87county/media/triptosnowymtnsandtemora006_zpsdb10a416.jpg.html)



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/1310.jpg (http://s708.photobucket.com/user/87county/media/triptosnowymtnsandtemora007_zps4a13e790.jpg.html)



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/1311.jpg (http://s708.photobucket.com/user/87county/media/triptosnowymtnsandtemora008_zpsc67c985d.jpg.html)



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/208.jpg (http://s708.photobucket.com/user/87county/media/triptosnowymtnsandtemora009_zpsaeb0ee5f.jpg.html)



and,

the

Pièce de résistance....







https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/831.jpg (http://s708.photobucket.com/user/87county/media/triptosnowymtnsandtemora010_zpsfa95e9cc.jpg.html)

[JDNSW]

I perhaps ought to note that in the 1960s I owned two ex-SMHEA Landrovers - a 1956 S1 and a 1958 S2. Both were swb hardtops, both fitted with seat belts, capstan winches and heaters.

John

[mick88]

What type of dozer is that and what power plant did it have?
It either just has dual exhausts or has twin engines!
Snow everywhere and the dozer operator has a sleeveless shirt on!
My mother's uncle worked on the scheme from around it's inception date up until he reached retirement age in the late 1960's. I recall him working for Utah Constructions, but I am not sure if he worked for them for all of his time spent on the scheme. We had a lot of photographs from his years there, but unfortunately they have all gone missing after a house move. He always wore a beret and sleeveless shirts, it must have been the standard workwear of the day.

Great pics...keep them coming!

Cheers, Mick.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

...
;) love the photos keep them coming :)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/553.jpg
Image: National Archives of Australia 1954 Image Number 11268120

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/555.jpg
Image: National Archives of Australia 1966 Image Number 11431226

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/10/381.jpg
Image: National Archives of Australia 1954 Image Number 6814424

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/556.jpg
Image: National Archives of Australia 1966 Image Number 11431227

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/557.jpg
Image: National Archives of Australia 1962 Image Number 7809362

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/569.jpg
Image: National Archives of Australia 1956 Image Number 11258120 Indi River

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/567.jpg
Image: National Archives of Australia 1951 Image Number 4441450 Tumut Ponds Road

[wrinklearthur]

What type of dozer is that and what power plant did it have? International TD-18, Started on petrol and ran on Diesel.

------- dual exhausts Yes

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/902.jpg

http://www.tractorbarnproductions.com/communities/4/004/006/915/384/images/4552905952_384x213.jpg



He always wore a beret and sleeveless shirts, it must have been the standard workwear of the day.

Warm feet and warm head, warm all over.
.

[mick88]

How long would they run on petrol Arthur?
Were they just fired up on petrol or would they run until they reached normal operating temp like a petrol/kero engine?

Thankyou and cheers,
Mick.

[JDNSW]

How long would they run on petrol Arthur?
Were they just fired up on petrol or would they run until they reached normal operating temp like a petrol/kero engine?

Thankyou and cheers,
Mick.

I am not familiar with that particular model, but the ones I have had experience with you only needed to get them up to about 1000rpm before changing. Possibly need to run a little longer in very cold conditions.

The whole idea was to solve the problem of starting a large diesel by hand (no electrics). An extra set of valves opened up an additional combustion space in each cylinder equipped with its own intake valves, spark plugs, manifold and carburetter.

Sounds complicated, and it was. But at the time it was considered cheaper and more reliable than electric starting. Another scheme, used, I think, by Caterpillar, used a separate petrol starting engine, which was started and then engaged like an electric starter to turn the main engine.

John

[mick88]

I am not familiar with that particular model, but the ones I have had experience with you only needed to get them up to about 1000rpm before changing. Possibly need to run a little longer in very cold conditions.

The whole idea was to solve the problem of starting a large diesel by hand (no electrics). An extra set of valves opened up an additional combustion space in each cylinder equipped with its own intake valves, spark plugs, manifold and carburetter.

Sounds complicated, and it was. But at the time it was considered cheaper and more reliable than electric starting. Another scheme, used, I think, by Caterpillar, used a separate petrol starting engine, which was started and then engaged like an electric starter to turn the main engine.

John

Thanks John,
I am familiar with the Caterpillar system of a small petrol engine starter motor as a mate has an old grader with this system.

Cheers, Mick.

[wrinklearthur]

I am not familiar with that particular model, but the ones I have had experience with you only needed to get them up to about 1000rpm before changing. Possibly need to run a little longer in very cold conditions.

The whole idea was to solve the problem of starting a large diesel by hand (no electrics). An extra set of valves opened up an additional combustion space in each cylinder equipped with its own intake valves, spark plugs, manifold and carburetter.

Sounds complicated, and it was. But at the time it was considered cheaper and more reliable than electric starting. Another scheme, used, I think, by Caterpillar, used a separate petrol starting engine, which was started and then engaged like an electric starter to turn the main engine.

John

The TD-18 was better at steady drawbar work than with a dozer blade, as the backend wasn't as strong as the same size Caterpiller.
The Agricultural bank had a fleet of the TD-18's in use around Bass Strait and the Islands, preparing Soldier Settlement blocks clearing mostly Tea Tree scrub, working in pairs using a ball and chain.

Caterpillar at that time used on their models, a petrol driven pilot starter motor, a very successful arrangement only with a occasional mishap if the Bendix drive stuck and that caused the pilot motor to fly to pieces driven by the Diesel engine.
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[Brad110]

Great to see all the Baily bridge. It went a long way in assisting winning the war in Europe. From conception, to design and tooling to manufacture reportedly took 3 months and still in use today.

(Root Betty twice on Sundays):o

[wrinklearthur]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/831.jpg (http://s708.photobucket.com/user/87county/media/triptosnowymtnsandtemora010_zpsfa95e9cc.jpg.html)

When anyone gets to restore a Land Rover that they are sure used to belong to the Snowy scheme, it is sometimes possible to read the original number plate number from the ingrained dirt in the original layer of paint, by stripping away very carefully the over riding layers.
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[Lotz-A-Landies]

A few more:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/823.jpg
Image Source: National Archives of Australia. Image 4746057. Guthega Access Road 1952

Image reversed at NAA
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Image Source: National Archives of Australia. Image 4746108 - Guthega Access Road 1952

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/825.jpg
Image Source: National Archives of Australia. Image 11443367 - Cabramurra 1953

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/826.jpg
Image Source: National Archives of Australia. Image 7619931-Threadbo Valley Scene 1955

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/827.jpg
Image Source: National Archives of Australia. Image 7639259 - Reeds Flat Geehi 1956

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/828.jpg
Image Source: National Archives of Australia. Image 6849041-Geehi Access Road Bogong Creek 1961

The SMA Headquarters at Cooma being built (now demolished)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/829.jpg
Image Source: National Archives of Australia. Image 4746008- Cooma Head Office 1952

[JDNSW]

Great to see all the Baily bridge. It went a long way in assisting winning the war in Europe. From conception, to design and tooling to manufacture reportedly took 3 months and still in use today.



Totally irrelevant, but my father in law (died 1984) was one of the engineers involved in its design, as an Australian (RAEME) representative.

John

[Summiitt]

What type of dozer is that and what power plant did it have?
It either just has dual exhausts or has twin engines!
Snow everywhere and the dozer operator has a sleeveless shirt on!
My mother's uncle worked on the scheme from around it's inception date up until he reached retirement age in the late 1960's. I recall him working for Utah Constructions, but I am not sure if he worked for them for all of his time spent on the scheme. We had a lot of photographs from his years there, but unfortunately they have all gone missing after a house move. He always wore a beret and sleeveless shirts, it must have been the standard workwear of the day.

Great pics...keep them coming!

Cheers, Mick.


I'm pretty sure that dozer is a TD 24... not an 18? but I may stand corrected..the trucks hooked together were antars, British made with a v12 rolls Royce engines..after the snowy One was sent to the northern territory as a road train and the other is on a property up in the snowys..btw there is a restored Utah Holden ute in the snowy museum in adaminaby along with an original td24 international dozer...and a few landys.

[digger]

Both these vehicles (C-62002 and C-62005) have the metal Grenville Motors badge on the near side front guard:

Bob

was just re reading this thread and noticed this post.

Were these metal plates only on the front guard of Grenville rovers?
Could they be on early imported vehicles (as opposed to CKD) and attached in UK?
I ask as my old one ( "PA" ) I picked up at PARCOOLA has one attached...

and is 06103608
which was
Desp In: 7-11-1949
Desp Out: 8-11-1949.
of Champions of Adelaide
CKD Form 6 vehicles in the shipment

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-i-land-rover-enthusiasts-section/191498-diggers-next-series-1-80-1950-a.html

photo in post #14


**unrelated question, being in and out in Nov 1949, I believe this is a 1950 model, is that correct? or is it a '49?**

[JDNSW]

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**unrelated question, being in and out in Nov 1949, I believe this is a 1950 model, is that correct? or is it a '49?**


Model year changed with the August works holidays, so that would be "yes".

John

[digger]

Model year changed with the August works holidays, so that would be "yes".

John

Thanks, thought it would be as the chassis number is the start of the "year" numbering system but thought Id ask! - its a MY50 but I can still point to delivery in and out times to prove its an early one (not that it really matters) Cheers John.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

1949 was an unusual year in that 1948 models, 1949 models and 1950 were all produced in the same calendar year.

[digger]

Sorry about the diversion of the thread... to bring it back on line i offer this...

Snowy Mountains Scheme (http://www.4wdonline.com/Places/Au/SMHEA/LandRover.html)

Land-Rover in the Snowy Mountains Scheme.

A. J. Maeder

The Monaro region is ideal territory for the Land-Rover, with rough rolling hills, summer sand and winter mud, the Snowy Mountain area with steep valleys and rocky plateau, and the annual onslaught of snow and ice. The NSW Rover distributors, Grenville Motors of Sydney, sold a number of early vehicles to farmers and graziers in the area, a market that survived for the next 30 years unabated. As the waiting list for new Land-Rovers lengthened, vehicles were obtained from a number of other agents including P.D.Murphy in Cooma, R.R.Genge in Canberra and several statewide trading companies such as Permewan Wright. The majority of these were intended simply for agricultural use and would probably have spent their entire working lives on the owner's property. The coming of the Snowy Mountains project changed all that.

At the time of its inception in 1949, the SMHEA had an immediate need for small 4WD vehicles for survey teams for use in conjunction with horses. It appears that initially surplus Willys Jeeps were used but a number of Land-Rovers were acquired within the first year of operations. The surveyors needs were soon eclipsed by those of road and housing construction workers and the ubiquitous overseers and foremen. Soon block orders of Land-Rovers were being placed: they filled the niche admirably and had no contemporary rival, so they became entrenched in the fleet and were ordered in comparatively large numbers throughout the Series I era. The SMHEA probably holds the record in NSW for the most prolific purchaser of new Land-Rovers. The sales records of Grenville Motors show that 96 vehicles were purchased from them between 1950 and 1952, and in 1953 alone a staggering 132 Land-Rovers were acquired. By this stage they were being used largely for individual transport to worksites, in much the same way as bicycles are used in some mines - simply pick one up in the morning and head off to the job. With the advent of the revised Series I in 1954 a further buying spree resulted and LWB utilities were added to the transport pool.

During this period a number of curious Land-Rover options were adopted by the SMHEA. The initial vehicles had all been basic utilities with full length canvas hoods and the standard Dunlop Trakgrip directional tyres. Popular in-service modifications were the fitting of universal straight bar lug tyres, dust excluder rings on the backing plates and multiple electric demisters on the windscreen. Many were factory-fitted with PTO units on the gearbox but it does not appear that these were particularly useful. By the mid 1950s front-mounted capstan winches were in vogue, doubtless to aid recovery of unaccompanied vehicles. When the metal hardtop became available in 1951, virtually all the SWB vehicles subsequently ordered sported this option. By this stage the spare wheel carrier on the bonnet had become conventional too, allowing more usable load space in the tray.

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Some unusual vehicle models were also obtained, presumably for evaluation since very few were bought. In June 1950 a vehicle equipped with a Lincoln Arc Welding unit and DC generator was obtained, followed by a second unit in October and another in March 1953. There is little recollection about these vehicles in service. Two station wagons (left) with coachbuilt aluminium-on-timber bodies (constructed by Mulliners for the Rover Company) were bought in September 1953 and a third in November. Contemporary photographs show one of them transporting visiting dignitaries in the snow, https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/10/380.jpg fitted with wheel chains all round! Four fire engines were purchased in May 1953, and later photographs show them modified with the addition of lockers and storage space to improve their versatility.

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In the mid-1950s, two SWB station wagons were acquired to accompany the Mighty Antar road trains that transported heavy equipment from Sydney to construction sites and installations. Another oddity was `The African Queen', a LWB utility stripped of all non-essential fittings and converted to track use on underground rails that ran through one of the tunnels, perhaps hauling carriages filled with workers. Even the steering wheel was removed, so the driver had merely to perform gear selection and operate the pedals.

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By the late 1950s purchasing fell off considerably as the basic exploration and preliminary work had been completed and a road network had developed in the area to service specific worksites. Series II and IIA vehicles were still bought in smaller numbers for performing maintenance and inspection work. Subsidiary services such as Soil Conservation, Fire Prevention and the National Park authorities now made extensive use of them. Up to the arrival of the Series III the SMHEA was still committed to use of the Land-Rover. What is left of this magnificent fleet today? Most were sold off after several years of intensive service and were dispersed far and wide. Some ended up in the hands of contractors involved in the project and thus served two lifetimes worth. The SMA still operates a few Series IIA fire tenders but these are the only Land-Rovers in service. The competition and business interests provided by Toyota in the 1970s proved too strong to resist. Cooma is still a town where one can see a Series I passing by on most days of the week, but naturally all are now in private use. A few vehicles from the old days still languish in a wrecker's yard including chassis number 1 of the RHD Export sequence. And spare a thought for the colourful 80-inch on permanent display in the Snowtels Caravan Park playground - still serving Cooma valiantly after 37 years! These too had their hour.


This article first appeared in the program to the 40th Anniversary Land-Rover Gathering, Cooma NSW, 1988, and appears here with permission of the author: ? 1988, A.J.Maeder.

Pictures courtesy of the Snowy Mountains Hydro-Electric Authority.

[999]

Not a story about Land Rovers but about motorbikes and beer.
My Grandpa worked on the Snowy River Hydro and the story he used to tell me was how bad it was riding a bike back to camp from pub, and how you couldn't have a beer.
Back in days cartons weren't cartons but they were held together by mesh so if you were thirsty on the ride back to camp you had to wait. Because an opened slab was no good sitting on the tank of motor bike as the stubbies would end up on the track.
My grandpa had some good stories.:D

[mick88]

This photo may be of interest.
Cooma workshops, 1950's.