Remapping New PUMA

[defrover]

Sorry if i am repeating any questions brought up on the forums but I have been looking to do a remap on my 2.2l puma and having NO luck..

Been asking companies like Bell auto's in UK and Davis Performance over east and they tell me that a tune hasnt been cracked yet for this motor,

I cant see how the 2.2l can be so much different to remap over the 2.4 in the previous model.

Any info on this would be appreciated.

Cheers, Adam

[defrover]

GOOD NEWS!

Bell Autos UK have got a tune available.. Finally, but the only problem is its not compatible with the remap interface doohicky witch lets you switch between tunes as you wish. Only option available is to send the ECU over to UK and have it tuned there. They send the tuned ECU back along with a second ECU which is a clone of your old ECU in case you have to visit the dealer at any stage... It all sounds too hard

[LoveB]

I've been in contact with pete for a while about this. I want a tune for the 2.2 as well... 170hp sounds very good to me lol.

However, his only option available at the moment is indeed a bit hard... You either send your ECU to him OR if you dont have the time to have a dead defender you buy another BRAND NEW ecu and get it coded to your car then send it out to him :( lol no good! we will just have to wait I suppose

[defrover]

Ha.. Good to know Im not the only one

I guess in the meantime there are plenty of other things I can waste my money on:D

[fonfe]

Not sure if they do one for the new one but I've done a fair few auto logic maps in the past and they have been cracking, drop them an email and see what they say.
In regards to why its more difficult it will not be the engine but the ecu itself.
Ford focus RS owners and newer focus xr5 have similar problems where the ecu is newer and therefore harder to crack. If you want to blame someone blame all governments! It's is them that make rules that make manufactures make these harder to break codes to try and stop people from changing maps and affecting emissions.

[Babs]

Had mine done at Davies Performance Landrovers. 22% more power with Dyno chart.

It has made it so much more drivable. Happy as :)

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[LoveB]

babs is that on a 2.2 or 2.4?

[Babs]

babs is that on a 2.2 or 2.4?

MY12 2.2L

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[LoveB]

If you dont mind me asking...

how much did the tune cost? looks like I may have to do a trip out to them then :)

[Babs]

If you dont mind me asking...

how much did the tune cost? looks like I may have to do a trip out to them then :)

I had it done with other works and I did not take any notice as to what I was charged for that part (too excited) :)

Give Bruce a call and get a quote.

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[LoveB]

Fired off an email to them last night. Will see how it goes. :)

[c.h.i.e.f]

Fired off an email to them last night. Will see how it goes. :)

I will be awaiting your feedback ill stay tuned !!

[78RRman]

So you can change it back if you have warranty issues, a couple more ponies wouldn't go unused

[LoveB]

Still havrnt heard back from davies performance..

Pete from bell auto said he can do tune in a day. Express from him to aus is about 3-5 days. I just need to figure out how long express is from us to him. Then i have to see if i can live without the puma for that long lol

[chook73]

Still havrnt heard back from davies performance..

Pete from bell auto said he can do tune in a day. Express from him to aus is about 3-5 days. I just need to figure out how long express is from us to him. Then i have to see if i can live without the puma for that long lol

One thing that I found with Pete's tunes is it took me a while to get it right (I have the 2.4) and in fact a lot of the time I run without the tune. I would be very cautious about getting a fixed tune, there are quite a few threads on here about the uk tunes not suiting the Australian conditions.

[LoveB]

I did think of that. Also apparently he hasnt got one tp suit an intercooler and exhaust upgrade. Hopefully i hear from davies soon

[chook73]

Maybe also give Brad at KLR a call as he was talking to me about them the other day and they have one for the 2.4 but might also work for the 2.2

[Bush65]

I did think of that. Also apparently he hasnt got one tp suit an intercooler and exhaust upgrade. Hopefully i hear from davies soon
BTW the name is Davis, as in Bruce Davis, not Davies.

[c.h.i.e.f]

BTW the name is Davis, as in Bruce Davis, not Davies.

Lol

[c.h.i.e.f]

I did think of that. Also apparently he hasnt got one tp suit an intercooler and exhaust upgrade. Hopefully i hear from davies soon

From what response I have got from bell auto is they have not done as much testing on the 2.2 yet..in regards to exhaust as I was told upgrading may lead to turbo damage etc etc which if true that means landrover designed there system terribly...

[Loubrey]

One thing that I found with Pete's tunes is it took me a while to get it right (I have the 2.4) and in fact a lot of the time I run without the tune. I would be very cautious about getting a fixed tune, there are quite a few threads on here about the uk tunes not suiting the Australian conditions.

Hi Chook73,

You said it took you quite a while to get it right... Could you possibly elaborate please?

You also wrote that you run without the tune a lot of the time? I tried to find some of the treads about the tunes not being suitable for Australian conditions, but I didn't manage to find any (a LOT of threads about mapping and tuning Td5's and Pumas).

Cheers,

Lou

[chook73]

Hi Chook73,

You said it took you quite a while to get it right... Could you possibly elaborate please?

You also wrote that you run without the tune a lot of the time? I tried to find some of the treads about the tunes not being suitable for Australian conditions, but I didn't manage to find any (a LOT of threads about mapping and tuning Td5's and Pumas).

Cheers,

Lou

Hi Lou,

The first tune blew a lot of Black smoke under loads such as a long hill climb(ie over Fueling) and then the second the boost was extremely low maxing out at about 9psi. The third tune lacked power around the 2200rpm mark from memory.

I now run a MAP which shuts off the EGR but keeps the standard tune. I am not saying that the maps are no good, they just didn't suit me and my driving style. Pete has been more than accommodating the whole way and has been more than happy to keep adjusting the tune. I now run a hard MAP if I go serious 4wd driving the rest of the time I just run the EGR off MAP as I find that is all I need.

As for threads I will go back and have a search but I know Drover and I were discussing the maps in detail in a couple of threads a few months back.

Cheers
Iain

[Scallops]

Bruce Davis Performance tunes are the go for Pumas. They are based on the Alive tunes, but are modified for Australian conditions. You can get a console from Bruce which allows for the original map to be put back if required (takes a matter of minutes). Then the remap can be reinstalled the same way.....

Mine (for 2.4) was about $900.00 with the console.

[krispe]

Bruce Davis Performance tunes are the go for Pumas. They are based on the Alive tunes, but are modified for Australian conditions. You can get a console from Bruce which allows for the original map to be put back if required (takes a matter of minutes). Then the remap can be reinstalled the same way.....

Mine (for 2.4) was about $900.00 with the console.

Unfortunately the 2.2 is a different beast. The ATRIC does not work on this version of the ECU at the moment, but, apparently work is ongoing.:)

[LoveB]

Still havent heard back though :(

[ezyrama]

Just spoke to Bruce Davis (very friendly to talk to) and he told me about $1000.00 for an upgrade of the ECU and a day or so to do the job if I am down his way on holidays, he will squeeze me in ,I just have to give him as much notice as I can (only fair) otherwise he is booked out for 2 weeks at a time. Bruce informed me that there is about a,
20% increase in power, 90kw -108kw
22% increase in torque, 360nm-440nm
IMHO, that would make it a lot more pleasurable when towing the camper, overtaking manoeuvres, etc. etc etc.
BTW, he was adamant that the 2.2 is a LandRover motor and NOT a Puma as Puma is a Ford design and the 2.2 is not a Ford.
Cheers Ian

[ProjectDirector]

Just spoke to Bruce Davis (very friendly to talk to) and he told me about $1000.00 for an upgrade of the ECU and a day or so to do the job if I am down his way on holidays, he will squeeze me in ,I just have to give him as much notice as I can (only fair) otherwise he is booked out for 2 weeks at a time. Bruce informed me that there is about a,
20% increase in power, 90kw -108kw
22% increase in torque, 360nm-440nm
IMHO, that would make it a lot more pleasurable when towing the camper, overtaking manoeuvres, etc. etc etc.
BTW, he was adamant that the 2.2 is a LandRover motor and NOT a Puma as Puma is a Ford design and the 2.2 is not a Ford.
Cheers Ian

I wouldn't spend $1000 to get such a small increase in power where you can get 135kw with the 2.4 engine.

[Aaron]

I have gone with BAS. I should have it installed mid next week! I will see how it goes

[c.h.i.e.f]

I wouldn't spend $1000 to get such a small increase in power where you can get 135kw with the 2.4 engine.

Bell auto will give same figures for both 2.4 and 2.2 however ecu must be sent over to them which is the only thing stopping me getting one....FWIW the 2.2 feels like it goes better than the 2.4 but that is not represented on paper...

[c.h.i.e.f]

I have gone with BAS. I should have it installed mid next week! I will see how it goes

For the 2.2?

[Aaron]

For the 2.2?

2.4 sorry

[newhue]

Just spoke to Bruce Davis (very friendly to talk to) and he told me about $1000.00 for an upgrade of the ECU and a day or so to do the job if I am down his way on holidays, he will squeeze me in ,I just have to give him as much notice as I can (only fair) otherwise he is booked out for 2 weeks at a time. Bruce informed me that there is about a,
20% increase in power, 90kw -108kw
22% increase in torque, 360nm-440nm
IMHO, that would make it a lot more pleasurable when towing the camper, overtaking manoeuvres, etc. etc etc.
BTW, he was adamant that the 2.2 is a LandRover motor and NOT a Puma as Puma is a Ford design and the 2.2 is not a Ford.
Cheers Ian

Kaz11 on here has a Bruce Davis tune, reckons they are getting around 140kw.

[debruiser]

Kaz11 on here has a Bruce Davis tune, reckons they are getting around 140kw.

I recon I'd be happy with the 22% increase to 440nm torque. Plus wouldn't the engine longevity be a bit better if it's not quiet to close to the edge of what you can squeeeeeeeze out?:D

[chook73]

Kaz11 on here has a Bruce Davis tune, reckons they are getting around 140kw.

2.2 or 2.4?

[ezyrama]

I wouldn't spend $1000 to get such a small increase in power where you can get 135kw with the 2.4 engine.

A bit of a mute point if you dont have a 2.4 though. I personally am talking about remapping the 2.2 and not having to send the ecu away for a fortnight as it's my daily driver.

[ProjectDirector]

A bit of a mute point if you dont have a 2.4 though. I personally am talking about remapping the 2.2 and not having to send the ecu away for a fortnight as it's my daily driver.

I am of the same opinion, I prefer if it is someone local and in my case here in Melbourne.
I was talking to Ritter Automotive the other day and they reckon they can do it with up to 50% gains in power but I don't think they realize it is a 2.2. Am dropping the new 110 in two weeks to install winch and other bits and will ask again.

[c.h.i.e.f]

A bit of a mute point if you dont have a 2.4 though. I personally am talking about remapping the 2.2 and not having to send the ecu away for a fortnight as it's my daily driver.

This is exactly my dilemma also ...

[Loubrey]

BTW, he was adamant that the 2.2 is a LandRover motor and NOT a Puma as Puma is a Ford design and the 2.2 is not a Ford.
Cheers Ian

Reluctant to argue with your man Bruce Davis, but I think he's wrong on this one if he's really of the opinion that the 2.2 Defender is not a Puma...

Ford Duratorq engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Look under Puma as well as lower down on "2.2" and you'll see the 2.2 is there as a Defender Puma engine. It is modified and refined, but its still a Ford Duratorq Tdci 16v "Puma".

The 2.2 SD engines optional in Freelanders and Evokes are different, but that's a completely different topic...

Cheers,

Lou

[PAT303]

I read on the defender2 forum that the 2.2 is actually older than the 2.4. Pat

[c.h.i.e.f]

I read on the defender2 forum that the 2.2 is actually older than the 2.4. Pat

Very interesting...

[Babs]

Yippeeee!


Bruce Davis had my truck last Thu and Fri, got it back Sat morning, with...... Wait for it.........
Wait for it........ Hold on.......

Here it is- a whopping 42% more torque and 25% more power :) :) :)

Here is the two Dyno reports one from the first increase he did and the most current.

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[c.h.i.e.f]

Yippeeee!


Bruce Davis had my truck last Thu and Fri, got it back Sat morning, with...... Wait for it.........
Wait for it........ Hold on.......

Here it is- a whopping 42% more torque and 25% more power :) :) :)

Here is the two Dyno reports one from the first increase he did and the most current.

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2.2 ?

[PAT303]

Do you still have the cat fitted?. Pat

[29dinosaur]

Do you still have the cat fitted?. Pat ssshhh

[Babs]

2.2 ?

Yep 2.2

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[Babs]

Do you still have the cat fitted?. Pat

Yep cat still there, so is the dog and budgie. :)

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[29dinosaur]

Now I don't have the time and resources to be running backwards and forwards to Bruce Davis... (seems the cost is about $1000). Am considering either an Alive or BAS remap using the atric module (cost c$700). What seems to be the problems aulro users may have experienced with either company or their 'products'? (D2.4) Surely both companies must have already been servicing clients in Australia and Africa with our hotter climates?

[Loubrey]

Product: BAS Remap (2.4)

Cost: $801.50

Operation: No problems (sea level, West Australia) - no dino info, but it goes like a train!

Service: Every e-mail answered within an hour and every question (even the daft ones) patiently answered.

Cheers,

Lou

[c.h.i.e.f]

Product: BAS Remap (2.4)

Cost: $801.50

Operation: No problems (sea level, West Australia) - no dino info, but it goes like a train!

Service: Every e-mail answered within an hour and every question (even the daft ones) patiently answered.

Cheers,

Lou
What time frame were you without the vehicle ?

[Loubrey]

Zero...

2.4 is done via e-mail.

15 minutes to configure with my laptop.
3 minutes to read the cars existing Map.
2 minutes to download file from module and e-mail to Pete
30 hours to get the remapped file back (8 hour time shift with the UK)
5 minutes to configure the new file from the laptop to the module
3 minutes to load new file in the car

Done!:D

Cheers,

Lou

[n plus one]

Zero...

2.4 is done via e-mail.

15 minutes to configure with my laptop.
3 minutes to read the cars existing Map.
2 minutes to download file from module and e-mail to Pete
30 hours to get the remapped file back (8 hour time shift with the UK)
5 minutes to configure the new file from the laptop to the module
3 minutes to load new file in the car

Done!:D

Cheers,

Lou

My experience was the same (09 model 2.4).

[Loubrey]

Almost forgot...

3 minutes to swap either way with the original and modified Map.

Warning from Pete...Never, ever let anyone do a diagnostic read on your car with the modified Map loaded.

98% of the time nothing will happen, but any "fix" can fall in the 2% that will lock you out on the ECU and a locked ECU is cactus!

Cheers,

Lou

[inken_dave]

Just wondering if anyone wants to comment on the Defender's workshop manual stating that the maximum input torque for the MT82 manual transmission is 360Nm?

Designers usually don't write these type of figures for no reason, Id be interested to see what you all think, especially those who have already re-mapped their machines!




Yippeeee!


Bruce Davis had my truck last Thu and Fri, got it back Sat morning, with...... Wait for it.........
Wait for it........ Hold on.......

Here it is- a whopping 42% more torque and 25% more power :) :) :)

Here is the two Dyno reports one from the first increase he did and the most current.

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[Loubrey]

Dave,

While the Getrag MT-82 gearbox is far from perfect, it is still the same gearbox used in the Ford Mustang (5.0L V8) producing 530Nm as well as the supercharged version (5.4L V8) producing 690 Nm.

With a 2.4 Defender in standard map claimed to produce 359Nm (according to the Land Rover manual one short of the absolute maximum) and the modified map with a rumoured 42% increase taking you to 510Nm (unlikely, but I'm not going to argue). That still leaves you 20Nm short of the mid range Mustang and a whopping 180Nm on his big brother.

Most people do however know about Ford's issues with some of the Getrag gearboxes, but there is enough of them completely trouble free for them to have ruled out the torque put into them. (Though I'll put that down before the post gets flooded with links from moaning mustang owners!:D)

Land Rover will never, ever, ever put on paper that their choice of gearbox is capable of handling more torque. Having said that though, there has been enough posts from guys having difficulty with the early Puma fitted MT-82's.

The Land Rover manual is not a "classified" document and its there for anyone to read. If you really believe everything they write in there (indemnity and protection against claims and law suits), it becomes the same as believing everything you read in the news papers...

Cheers,

Lou

[specwarop]

Hey guys, has there been any new progress in the realm of remapping the Defender 2.2L engine? Has BAS managed to set up an email remapping service similar to what is available for the 2.4L?

Also, why in hell did Land Rover decide to put these motors in the Defender, when they have the TDV6 available?

[1nando]

Can anyone tell me about engine reliabilty and longevity with these remaps?

I'm thinking of doing a inter cooler, exhaust and Bruce Davis remap on my 2.2 110.

Does "limp mode" protect the engine if something in the tune is out?
In other words if the engine sensors pick up pinging or starts to over heat etc does the limp mode kick in and protect the engine from blowing?

[ozrob]

Yippeeee!


Bruce Davis had my truck last Thu and Fri, got it back Sat morning, with...... Wait for it.........
Wait for it........ Hold on.......

Here it is- a whopping 42% more torque and 25% more power :) :) :)

Here is the two Dyno reports one from the first increase he did and the most current.

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Babs,
Did you also fit an upgraded inter cooler to get these dyno figures?
Bruce did my 2.2 ECU last week for the non intercooler tune remap, I posted the ECU to him so I have no dyno results...but you can tell immediately when driving that the engine has more power and pulls much better up hills.