Annand & Thompson lubrication specification plates

[incisor]

I believe i got hold of a brass A & T lubrication specification plate off a badly stuffed 50 model radiator support panel

the brass plate is in very good nick btw :p

but i notice that for the diffs steering relay and transfer case etc etc they recommend Castrol Hipress SAE 140 oil not SAE 90

and SAE 50 engine oil in the gearbox not SAE 90

anyone know when A & T started being a distributor?

[isuzurover]

Google (or AULRO search) is your friend Inc...

At least 1951-1973 according to this:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-i-land-rover-enthusiasts-section/72669-annand-thompson-2.html

[Bigbjorn]

I believe i got hold of a brass A & T lubrication specification plate off a badly stuffed 50 model radiator support panel

the brass plate is in very good nick btw :p

but i notice that for the diffs steering relay and transfer case etc etc they recommend Castrol Hipress SAE 140 oil not SAE 90

and SAE 50 engine oil in the gearbox not SAE 90

anyone know when A & T started being a distributor?

Those oils were the norm for the time. A&T were distributors very early in the life of the LR product, very early 50's until June 30 1973 when Leyland Truck and Bus Dvn. assumed distributorship (and retail operations in Brisbane. Don't remember if T&B were retailers elsewhere).

[incisor]

ta

i am more specifically chasing info about when A&T started putting these plates on vehicles as i don't recall seeing another lights behind the grill radiator support with the badge or the holes for the badge.

on my 55 they replaced the original rover co plate.

on the unit i removed this from it was beside the rover co plate.

so in a sense i am trying to find out if it is legit i suppose or whether it may have been attached if it was resold thru the dealership as a second unit later etc etc

[Brad110]

My '55 has it as a replacement.

(Shhhh being well cared for in Melbourne)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

My ex-RACQ, Annand & Thompson 1951 had the plate but will check tonight what it specified.

There is a document on the Australian 1950 CKD vehicles which specifies A&T as one so one must assume they were the master distributor from 1949 at least. Will check that doc when I get home too and let you know the dates of the first batch deliveries.

Have you noticed that on A&T built vehicles from 1952 the chassis number is frequently on the LHS chassis rail and not on the engine mount as in other 80" or the spring hanger on 86"/107"?

Addit: Oops I don't need to check the plate tonight, it's in my Photobucket.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/7.jpg

[incisor]

so there is every chance it is legit it seems... cool..

ta

[Northern Lander]

Hi Incisor,

Re the relevant plates, Annand & Thompson started to put their unique plates on land rovers from 1950, we are not sure of a start vehicle but it started in the fish plate/headlights behind the grill vehicles. The lubricant and dealer plates were the first ones.
The dealer one was placed over the redundant wiper hole on the passenger side.
1951 is when they added the Important Information plate, this lasted until the change to 86/107 and this plate became rectangle like the dealer plate.
All 3 plates carried on until the end of series 1 production.

As a sub note the dealer and Important Info plates lasted until about 1960 Series 2 production and the lubricant plate became a sticker on the gearbox tunnel.

Hope this helps some

Wardy

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The first group of two CKD Land Rovers to Annand & Thompson in the Solihull dispatch books is supposed to be: R06101685 and R06101686 which is unusual as a batch was usually six vehicles.

It's interesting that A&T would commence the important information plate in 1951 when my 1950 ex Grenville Motors vehicle was delivered to the end customer on 31/10/1950 with the NSW equivalent (below). And the image below apparently came off a 1949 model.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/76.jpg

[incisor]

and mine is 06101688 despatched 'out' on 11/10/1949 to Annand and Thompson but wasnt a CKD apparently.

when i purchased it, it didnt come with the original radiator support which is why i am trying to get all the bits to get it back as it was...

[Lotz-A-Landies]

and mine is 06101688 despatched 'out' on 11/10/1949 to Annand and Thompson but wasnt a CKD apparently.

when i purchased it, it didnt come with the original radiator support which is why i am trying to get all the bits to get it back as it was...Two vehicles R06101685 and R06101686 just before yours were the first two CKD to A&T the whole lot probably arrived on the same ship to the Port of Brisbane mid November. I have a batch R06101825 arriving in Port Jackson 12/12/49

Have started a CKD list in the other A&T thread and am adding approximate arrival dates

Do you have the original firewall? If yes, the Important info plate was affixed to the right of the steering column, so there would be four screw holes. The long annand and Thompson plate was in front of the passenger, so there should be two holes for that if present, although the Rover Co Ltd plate was often affixed in the same location on the 1950 models.

[Northern Lander]

The more vehicles we find the closer we will get to getting a date or veh as close as possible.
Also Ill fix a typo, for the Important Plate I ment 1951 year model they were introduced so in truth they started attaching them late in 1950 ;)
I have attached some pics of 1950 veh 06115267, this veh is very original.

Wardy

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Does anyone have the insert for the Important information in their Instruction manual?

Have been looking for one for years.

[LRO53]

Does anyone have the insert for the Important information in their Instruction manual?

Have been looking for one for years.

This one?

To add to the Lubrication plate discussion. NorthernLander and I have not really been able to figure out 100% when the plate started. Seeing 1950 Model 06101688 is an early Annand and Thompson but still a home market vehicle it would be interesting so see what other plates have been put on it like the Special Instructions plate and Dealer Plate.

My thinking is these plates started sometime around the start of CKD. Possibly earlier but the lack of A&T 49s makes this very hard to figure out.

[incisor]

This one?

To add to the Lubrication plate discussion. NorthernLander and I have not really been able to figure out 100% when the plate started. Seeing 1950 Model 06101688 is an early Annand and Thompson but still a home market vehicle it would be interesting so see what other plates have been put on it like the Special Instructions plate and Dealer Plate.

My thinking is these plates started sometime around the start of CKD. Possibly earlier but the lack of A&T 49s makes this very hard to figure out.

will check it out next time i am there..

it has the original firewall

i have a pic but not that detailed i think.

off for a bopeep

[incisor]

the firewall

crap pic but all i have till i go back and pic it up

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=59831&stc=1&d=1367379357

[Lotz-A-Landies]

On my 51, it didn't have the two Rover Co and A&T plates, just the A&T plate in the position of the red rectangle and the Important instructions NOT in the area of the purple.

[Northern Lander]

May have been a friday vehicle ;)

However its interesting to see the plates in a different spot, I know the NSW vehicles put the tyre wear plate to the right of the stearing wheel.

Wardy

Pic of 16661749, location of plates

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Well that's what you get for having the plate in an icecream tub and not looking under the tarp for a number of years! :BigCry:

I was thinking of my 1950 which only has the screws.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

May have been a friday vehicle ;)

However its interesting to see the plates in a different spot, I know the NSW vehicles put the tyre wear plate to the right of the stearing wheel.

Wardy

Pic of 16661749, location of platesWardy

I just noticed the floor panels, they are deep bronze green! Is the seat box green as well?

This has been a conundrum for a while, Jim (RussellRovers) suggested his RACQ 86/88 had green front interior and my seat box and floor/tunnel cover show no evidence of the cream colour so I presumed they were replaced.

Diana

[Northern Lander]

Hi Diana,
Yes the floors, gearbox tunnel and the seatbase are all bronze green and dont seem to have been painted RACQ colours.
The rest of the vehicle is the proper colour and all the bolts dont appear to have been moved in a loooooooooong time. (I also asumed they had been replaced)
However I have not been able to gain access to see the seat base sides to see if they are painted the cream colour so time will tell maby the RACQ left these items green for some reason?
I have added pics of the inside and engine bay.

Wardy

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks Wardy

I always wondered about the seat box, because on everything else the base colour was always cream but the box and floor were always DBG. Good thing I didn't paint them cream in the re-paint. :)

Diana

[Northern Lander]

Hi Diana,

Well at least now we have 2 vehicles with the same setup so if we can find 1 or 2 more it will be rock solid thats how they painted them

Wardy

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Three, the other Jim P (RussellRovers) also ad one with DBG in the front but an 86". I guess it's like the interior trim colour of other vehicles being different to the exterior. The vinyl being green also.