Need some 100% confirmation, Duratorq 2.4 LR vs transit

[justinc]

Right, need to find a reco short or long engine for a 2.4 defender, can find quite a few transit suppliers/ recon engines on the shelf. IS THE DEFENDER ENGINE THE SAME BLOCK/ HEAD???? I know the ancilliaries are almost all different, but that isn't what I need to know obviously prior to ordering an engine. any Help ?:(


JC

[newhue]

JC, I was told LR did a fair bit of work converting the Transit donk to cope with angles a 4x4 can get itself into. Something about the oil pick up. However I am not sure it it's bollocks, and can't recall who told me.

[justinc]

Mmmm, this is the problem I was concerned about, too many 'differences' maybe the problem. The oil pickup may only be different so no biggy but who knows???:( I can't go ordering an engine without being 100% sure. I am still leaning toward getting it done locally but can't even get a quote out of anyone so :mad::mad::mad::mad:

JC

[Bundalene]

Give Sam from Rangelands a call. He has a Transit as his service work vehicle.



Erich

[jimr1]

Hi JC , have you tryed the UK. Land Rover forams, there could be a chance someone therecan help ...good luck .jimr1.

[justinc]

yes Jim, been all over them, no 100% guarantees so far Looks like a strip and local quote is the only way, have to do his engine up. :(

JC

[Rick Fischer]

Ummm! If things are that bad why not go the whole hog and dump in the BIG transit 2.8 or 3.0 or ....... engine. You would have to organise the sump and oil pick up etc, but as I understand it LR didn't originally cos the diff would hit the sump on the pre MY09 unless modified.

Further thinks LR take them straight off the Ford line, and add LR badged covers. Everything else has FOMOCO all over it. That is why 07 and 09 MYs have so much trouble with everything chafing. LR at Solihul really did squat, except for the ECU programming.

Cheers

RF

[goingbush]

Not much help but the 2.4 Transit had the centrifuge filter, same part as Td5 filter. (under the cap on the rocker cover)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/05/309.jpg

LR in its wisdom removed that !!

[Loubrey]

I recall reading that there are a number of significant modifications done to the Land Rover version of the engine.

Flywheels are completely different and therefore any mechanical part associated with that. Oil management, coolant management etc is apparently all different.

That being the main reason the guys are shoe horning 2.7 and 3.0 TdV6 Discovery "Lion" engines into custom modification Defenders and not just the bigger Ford Ranger and Transit Duratorq engines. The Discovery engines are obviously also modified to Land Rover's requirements.

Interesting read on the Wiki page

Ford Duratorq engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cheers,

Lou

[justinc]

Ummm! If things are that bad why not go the whole hog and dump in the BIG transit 2.8 or 3.0 or ....... engine. You would have to organise the sump and oil pick up etc, but as I understand it LR didn't originally cos the diff would hit the sump on the pre MY09 unless modified.

Further thinks LR take them straight off the Ford line, and add LR badged covers. Everything else has FOMOCO all over it. That is why 07 and 09 MYs have so much trouble with everything chafing. LR at Solihul really did squat, except for the ECU programming.

Cheers

RF

Thanks Rick, but the costs are way up there as it is, the vehicle is out of warranty, has cost him enough he just wants it running again. looked into a used engine , but then he decided to discuss it with LR, dead end street due to obvious reasons, so now back to a reco short. And at least 1 or 2 injectors.

JC

JC

[jimr1]

Hi JC ,It must be frustrating when you've tried all avenues to get what you would have thought basic info. like how different is Transit, to Defender 2.4 . After looking at wikipedia the 2.4 Duratorq engine ! I can't see L/Rover spending to much time or money , other than as we know oil pick up . If you have to take your motor out , It will give you a chance to compare your motor to a Transit motor ...

[justinc]

It is looking more and more like this engine is going to get a rebuild. The exchange short engine was purely a time/ cost scenario, but not getting the answers I need from industry IE reconditioners (NOT even return calls:mad::mad:) has led me to advise a strip and rebuild of his own bottom end. At least then I can establish actual cause of failure, Watch this space:(

JC

[Sketer]

We have a Transit parts supplier that we use for work that is very willing to talk. He may know if there is any difference between the two. I don't have his number with me at home but if you like I can pass in on to you in the morning.

Sketer

[justinc]

Fantastic! At least then I might get some local firsthand info on the subject:) Thankyou! I have a customer with a transit/ duratorq, this is why I know there are quite a lot of differences with ancilliaries etc etc but it would help to know if that is ALL there is in the different vehicle applications.

JC

[Sketer]

Justin PM sent

Cheers
Sketer

[slug_burner]

Try sending a note to Turner Engineering, they used to do taxi engines and suspect might know as these Transit engines are also used in taxis. Although I did not find a reference to TDCi on their web page.

[jimr1]

Hi JC. , ok. so if your going down the rebuild road , there's nothing wrong with that ! As a matter of interest would Ford parts vs L/Rover parts come in at the same prices , worth checking out ...

[newhue]

Right, need to find a reco short or long engine for a 2.4 defender, can find quite a few transit suppliers/ recon engines on the shelf. IS THE DEFENDER ENGINE THE SAME BLOCK/ HEAD???? I know the ancilliaries are almost all different, but that isn't what I need to know obviously prior to ordering an engine. any Help ?:(


JC

JC, just curious, what was the initial cause of this motor to fail?