Israel bombs Syria

[bob10]

Interesting development, don't think it would have happened without Russian knowledge, Bob


military target.
By Jim Miklaszewski and Andrea Mitchell, NBC News
Israeli warplanes launched airstrikes against targets inside Syria on Friday, U.S. officials told NBC News.
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It’s believed the primary target was a shipment of weapons headed for Hezbollah in Lebanon, they said. A senior U.S. official said the airstrikes were believed to be related to delivery systems for chemical weapons.
An Israeli spokesman in Washington said that Israel would not comment specifically on the reports but said that “Israel is determined to prevent the transfer of chemical weapons or other game-changing weaponry by the Syrian regime to terrorists, especially to Hezbollah in Lebanon.”
It wasn’t clear whether the Israelis alerted the U.S. before the attack. White House officials referred all questions to the Israelis


This would be the second time this year Israel conducted airstrikes inside Syria. In January, Israeli fighter jets attacked a convoy (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/01/16806224-analysis-israels-airstrike-likely-to-complicate-syria-crisis?lite) of sophisticated anti-aircraft missiles believed on their way to Hezbollah.
Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon publicly acknowledged the January airstrike inside Syria in a joint press conference with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel in Tel Aviv on April 22. Ya’alon said any Syrian delivery of sophisticated weapons to rogue elements like Hezbollah would be a “red line” for Israel and “when they crossed this red line, we operated. We acted.”
Syria is in the middle of a civil war pitting rebels against the regime of President Bashir Assad. Tens of thousands have already died, and the possible use of the nation’s stockpile of chemical weapons has been of grave concern to the U.S. and other nations.
Last week, the White House said there was evidence (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/25/17913974-white-house-us-believes-syrian-regime-used-chemical-weapons?lite) that Syria’s government may have used chemical weapons against its own people. But President Barack Obama has cautioned against rushing to action (http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/30/17985348-obama-cautions-against-rush-to-action-in-syria?lite) against Assad’s government, saying that the U.S. required more evidence before getting involved in the civil war there.
The U.S. has long believed that Syria was stockpiling chemical weapons (http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/27/12970606-syria-regime-reeling-armed-to-the-teeth-with-chemical-weapons?lite). Intelligence reports indicate that it has sarin and the nerve agent tabun along with traditional chemicals like mustard gas and hydrogen cyanide. A 2011 CIA report said Syria was also developing the potent nerve agent VX, which could render a city uninhabitable for days.
Syria has said that it hasn’t used and will not use chemical weapons.
On Tuesday, Hezbollah’s leader warned the rebels that his militia was ready to intervene on Assad’s side in Syria’s civil war. There have been concerns that Syrian SCUD missiles that might be capable of carrying chemical weapons could be transferred to Hezbollah.
NBC News Senior Investigative Producer Robert Windrem and White House Correspondent Kristen Welker contributed to this report.
Related video: Syrian government used chemical weapons 4 times, rebels say (http://www.today.com/video/today/51760166)

[Cobber]

Something's gotta give soon ...
:wacko:

[ramblingboy42]

bloody hell, I just this minute finished reading the book "The Devils Light" by Richard North Patterson. Its just about written about that type of thing....very cleverly written. al Quaeda, Hezzbollah, CIA, Mossad all involved.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Israel is a rogue state under the protection of the US, they have occupied the Syrian territory of the Golan Heights since 1967, why should we be surprised by their having a pre-emptive attack on another country in the middle of a civil war.

[Hall]

The yanks would dearly love a righteous and legal reason to sort things out with Syria. But after the way the screwed up Iraq with all the false information on so called weapons of mass destruction. They can not play that card, not with out being one hundred and ten percent right about any evidence they produce as a reason for military action. They may try a back door approach through Israelis actions. They have so far been very circumspect about any information received on chemical weapons. Seem a case of once bitten twice shy. The rebels produce alleged footage of victims of chemical attacks and the US did the old interesting we will look into that some time. That was the same sort of evidence that they used in Iraq. Also mentioned was there reluctance to arm the rebels as some elements of the rebels have apparently made it clear that the hate the US as much as they hate Bashar al- Assad . A really messy place politicly.
Cheers Hall

[manic]

"Syria is in the middle of a civil war pitting rebels against the regime of President Bashir Assad."

Rebels ey. This hole thing stinks of an orchestrated uprising. Civil war my arse. Are the Israelis not even owning up to the air strikes? A disgraceful state of affairs.

[Chucaro]

I do not like to think how many woman and children are going to be killed by the '' intelligent and selective high precision " Israeli airstrikes against targets inside Syria :mad:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I do not like to think how many woman and children are going to be killed by the '' intelligent and selective high precision " Israeli airstrikes against targets inside Syria :mad:Hang on there, I just remembered, the Israelis (Hebrews) are God's chosen people and were given dominion over all the animals. The Syrians and Israelis are both the sons of Abraham (Ibrahim in Arabic), so in reality this is merely a family fued and we should keep our noses out of other families business.

[Treads]

Gotta love how people denigrate Israel for simply defending themselves.

[ramblingboy42]

werent the Romans in power throughout that area? Lebanon is famous for its ancient roman structures. Jeez plied his trade all through those areas.....fat lot of good that did...if he ever existed.

[Chucaro]

Gotta love how people denigrate Israel for simply defending themselves.

Not me,

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[manic]

Gotta love how people denigrate Israel for simply defending themselves.

Gotta love how some people can describe it as 'simply defending themselves'.

[Bigbjorn]

Don't forget that Assad is a competent western well-educated leader. He is a lot better than any middle eastern politician or despot who might replace him. He recognises and protects his Christian minority and Christian women don't have to wear the head bag. Over a million Syrian Christians have fled to Lebanon to get away from the rebels.

Can't blame the Israelis for bombing etc. Hizbollah and Hamas who are nothing less than terrorists and mass murderers.

[Treads]

Gotta love how some people can describe it as 'simply defending themselves'.

Yes, defending themselves!

They sit on a sliver of land not much bigger than the ACT and cop a flogging from all around in the form of terrorist attacks and missile strikes. If they don't react swiftly and surely to any attack they are history. I reckon they've been particularly patient with most of the countries around them over the past 65 years or so.

People are whinging about them holding on to the Golan heights; well it was never given back after the six day war due to Syria constantly shelling Northern Israel from that area back in '67.

If they ever got serious and went totally on the offensive they'd sort out every one of the countries around them. Imagine the response from all the hand-wringers then!

[manic]

If they ever got serious and went totally on the offensive they'd sort out every one of the countries around them.

By sort out - you mean? Isreal are doing it wrong, behaving like those they condemn - persecuting to prevent their own persecution. Its not a good look. They can sort out their own country... swallow some pride and give some back to the Palestinians.

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[jimr1]

Hang on there, I just remembered, the Israelis (Hebrews) are God's chosen people and were given dominion over all the animals. The Syrians and Israelis are both the sons of Abraham (Ibrahim in Arabic), so in reality this is merely a family fued and we should keep our noses out of other families business.
If the Israelies are Gods chosen people , how come God gave all there neighbors the Gas and Oil ...:D:D

[Allan]

Israel is a rogue state under the protection of the US, they have occupied the Syrian territory of the Golan Heights since 1967, why should we be surprised by their having a pre-emptive attack on another country in the middle of a civil war.

You need to stop smoking funny weed and study the region before making ill informed statements such as this. What planet are you living on with your Lotz-A-Landies, surely not this one. By the way it's only by the U.S. almost begging Israel during the first Gulf War that Baghdad doesn't glow in the dark at night following an unprovoked missile attack.

Allan

[mikehzz]

I think they all should set aside a time every day to thank God for their blessings. That should solve their problems. Or perhaps they aren't fervent enough in their beliefs?

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[Allan]

I always find it very disturbing when people find I.D.F. action against a perceived threat as an act of aggression when most U.N. members are asking for support for the opposition. The Israelis are always portrayed as the aggressor, you would not think they have lived in that country for over 3000 years. Sounds a bit like our Aboriginals, by the way have you said sorry lately.

Allan

[sashadidi]

As Bob said the Russians would have known, Russia is a signatory to the Chemical weapons agreement and according to a part of the Russian press there is a assault team in the Russian naval base in Syria standing by to intercept any transfer of chemical weapons to what they would consider a wrong third party.
Assad if he used them would have done so to prove that the west is not coming to help so as to demoralise the rebels after two years of fighting but using chemical weapons too much would upset everyone including the russians.

[schuy1]

All I say is , Fight on you( insert a single word for people without fathers) , I hate peace!! :D :D :D :D
May I suggest a theory of a world leading power using the simple divide and conquer method to attain control in a certain resource rich area of the world? When all the dust has settled money and aid is required for rebuilding which will be offered in return for certain "Deals" But that may be a conspiracy theory...................................

Cheers Scott

[Chucaro]

Moderators!, I am biting my tongue to participate here but I respect the rules of the forum.
Open the Soapbox again or please allow the rest of the members to debate politics here.

[ramblingboy42]

Moderators!, I am biting my tongue to participate here but I respect the rules of the forum.
Open the Soapbox again or please allow the rest of the members to debate politics here.

I'm with you here Chucaro, maybe the mods can let this run unless it gets out of hand.....so far its quite informative.....

[Cosmic Tourist]

Not sure I see it. Once the weapons are in Syrian hands they're basically out of Russian control. And what could Russia do except jump up and down and make loud noises. I would suggest Iran and its proxy Hezbollah are stripping Syria of useful stuff in anticipation of its fall.

[ramblingboy42]

[COLOR="Navy"]OK people, get hold of a map with Israel and surrounding areas and read this
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah
then relate it to the map...should add some perspective

[Eevo]

If someone is running at me with an axe, and they have a history of hitting me with an axe, I'm going to take action to prevent myself from being hit.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

If someone is running at me with an axe, and they have a history of hitting me with an axe, I'm going to take action to prevent myself from being hit.The problem comes when you have a history of machine gunning the axe man, the question then becomes which action is defence and which action agression. A dysmal spiral.

It would all be better if the axe man and machine gunner laid down their weapons and kept inside their own property and not on the property they are trespassing and squatting upon.

[ramblingboy42]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

there that should work

basically hezbollah lives in Lebanon, hezbollah wants to destroy Israel, hezbollah gets funds from syria and Iran who also want to destroy Isreal. Israel have mossad inside hezbollah, so if they attack an military shipment it is not done lightly.

[sheerluck]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

there that should work

basically hezbollah lives in Lebanon, hezbollah wants to destroy Israel, hezbollah gets funds from syria and Iran who also want to destroy Isreal. Israel have mossad inside hezbollah, so if they attack an military shipment it is not done lightly.

They sound like pleasant fellows, I shall invite them round for tea.

[manic]

BBC News - 'Israel rockets' hit Damascus military site (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22417482)

Israeli officials speaking on condition of anonymity said
"We don't respond to this kind of report," an Israeli military spokeswoman told Reuters news agency.The 'we will not confirm or deny or be made accountable for anything' attitude ... it bothers me. Has Israel declared war on Syria or?

[Allan]

The problem comes when you have a history of machine gunning the axe man, the question then becomes which action is defence and which action agression. A dysmal spiral.

It would all be better if the axe man and machine gunner laid down their weapons and kept inside their own property and not on the property they are trespassing and squatting upon.

So, shall we give Australia back to the Aboriginals or just Western Australia back to the Dutch. Perhaps a study of the regions history and not just following left wing BBC news stories my help.

Allan

[Lotz-A-Landies]

So, shall we give Australia back to the Aboriginals or just Western Australia to the Dutch.

AllanThats a very different issue to the 1967 Israeli pre-emptive attacks on Egypt where they occupied the Sinai (since given back) followed immediately by pre-emptive attacks on Jordan and Syria were they occupied and still occupy the Golan Heights and the ocupation of the Palestinian lands in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

If we want to go to the European invasion of Australia, we will need to include the various European invasions of the Americas, the Russian invasions of Manturia and Siberia, European invasion of Africa and the moorish invasions of Europe and North Africa and possibly the Roman and European invasions of England. Do we want to go there?
BBC News - 'Israel rockets' hit Damascus military site (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22417482)

Israeli officials speaking on condition of anonymity said The 'we will not confirm or deny or be made accountable for anything' attitude ... it bothers me. Has Israel declared war on Syria or?Yes Israel declared war on Syria by their attacks in 1967 during the Six Day War, where they occupied the Syrian territory of the Golan Heights, since Israel has not returned the Golan, a state of war has existed between Israel and Syria since 1967.

[Allan]

Thats a very different issue to the 1967 Israeli pre-emptive attacks on Egypt where they occupied the Sinai (since given back) followed immediately by pre-emptive attacks on Jordan and Syria were they occupied and still occupy the Golan Heights and the ocupation of the Palestinian lands in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

If we want to go to the European invasion of Australia, we will need to include the European invasion of the Americas, the Russian invasions of Manturia and Siberia, European invasion of Africa and the moorish invasions of Europe and North Africa and possibly the Roman and European invasions of the England. Do we want to go there?

So whats changed, the guys with the biggest gun and better intel still win. The attacks on Egypt Jordan and Syria were done as intel of an impending attack by all of these countries on the State of Israel was imminent. All stirred up at the time by the U.S.S.R. The U.S. was going to send a carrier group into the med but it never happened, cold feet, fear of the Soviets? The Mossad had them sussed for some time, so they smashed the Egyptian air force on the ground. Jordon expected Egyptian air support that never arrived, the rest is history. A shame other countries intelligence services aren't up to par it may have saved many lives over recent years.

Allan

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Allan

That philosphy was essentially true up to WWII, but after that event and the establishment of the United Nations the World community has strongly resisted the acquisition of land by invasion.

Despite its initial terrorist actions against the British, Israel was established by a motion on the floor of the United Nations. What hasn't happened is Israel respecting it's territorial borders and also what the UN hasn't done is to compensate the Palestinians for the loss of their territory.

IMHO until compensation is paid to Palestinians who were displaced, Palestine is given full UN participant status as an independant state and the Israelis start respecting their territorial borders this conflict will continue to have cross border incursions and attacks by both sides.

If we can get those three issues settled we can maybe take on the militancy and terrorism of Hezbollah and Hamas by international actions rather than by the Israelis which only escallates the conflict.

On the intelligence services, the Iraq Gulf War MkII, it had been a stated aim of Donald Rumsfeld that the Iraqi oil was rightfully US oil, the supposed intelligence used to justify the invasion was only finding an excuse to complete the strategic aims of Cheyne's Halliburton Corp and the Bush's Carlyle (Oil) Group which included the Saudi's and the Bin Laden family.

[Treads]

Yes Israel declared war on Syria by their attacks in 1967 during the Six Day War, where they occupied the Syrian territory of the Golan Heights, since Israel has not returned the Golan, a state of war has existed between Israel and Syria since 1967.

Israel had gone to the UN on multiple occasions since the first Arab-Israeli war in 1948 to try to stop the violation of the armistice. Syria had been using the strategic advantage of the Golan Heights by shelling Israel for many years. Israel made one final plea to the useless buggers at the UN in October 1966, before launching their attack in June '67.

Every other major conflict has been started by the arabs; yet some people concentrate on anything they perceive as aggression by the jews. How hypocritical is that!

[Bardizzo]

I read somewhere once that if the Arabs laid down their weapons there would be peace in the region. If Israel laid down their arms, they would be wiped from the face of the earth.
David

[schuy1]

Compensation? Why? The state that is Israel, not the fringes aquired through kicking the arabs up the bum, was bought, yes bought as in moneys was paid to the Owners, from Arab landowners who were only too willing to take the money because they thought that they would be able to kick the jews out after a while and regain control. The British and european powers assisted in the setting up of a govt after the land had been bought. Most of the money came from Germany as reparations and from wealthy Jews in America.Most of the Arab nations at the time were not worried it seems about the jews arriving because there had always been Jews living all over the Arab world.
The trouble started when the erstwhile owners decided they wanted their land back and instigated the uprisings which soon escalated into what we see today. Needless to say the Landowners were influential in the various Govts .
Sadly this history has been lost in the years of maelstrom since :( As is so often the case with the true reasons behind any inter tribal warfare. And yes the reasons about giving land back is the same as us handing ours back to the "Original" Bloody NIL!!

Cheers Scott

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Scott

That is not completely true, particularly for properties in the cities, Arabs who could have stayed but feared the actions left their homes hoping to return after hostilities died down. When they did try to return they find hebrew families living in their homes who claim they are only doing the same as what happened to them in Europe.

The settlements in East Jerusalem and elsewhere in Palestinian territories are uncompensated and neither are the Palestinian farmers who find their orchards and farms on the opposite side of the barrier wall.

Don't get me wrong Israel has a right to exist and live in peace, but there must be an alternative to this cycle of tit for tat destruction, where all the actions of both sides are seen as retaliation for some previous action of the other.

Diana

[Allan]

Scott

That is not completely true, particularly for properties in the cities, Arabs who could have stayed but feared the actions left their homes hoping to return after hostilities died down. When they did try to return they find hebrew families living in their homes who claim they are only doing the same as what happened to them in Europe.

The settlements in East Jerusalem and elsewhere in Palestinian territories are uncompensated and neither are the Palestinian farmers who find their orchards and farms on the opposite side of the barrier wall.

Don't get me wrong Israel has a right to exist and live in peace, but there must be an alternative to this cycle of tit for tat destruction, where all the actions of both sides are seen as retaliation for some previous action of the other.

Diana

If you have, or are lucky enough to visit Israel, you will find it a far removed country from that the news services show, as removed I assume as East London is. Many Arabs live side by side with Jewish neighbors, share their history, eat and drink coffee together and live in peace. But some, on both sides, find this hard to do. Extremists on both sides need to be controlled, I agree, but interference by outside Arab countries that themselves do not want the Palestinians living amongst them and have their own agenda will never bring peace to the region. The arming of terrorist organizations such as Hammas and Hesbollah will only bring a forceful reply from Israel. I find it strange, why, that on this same forum a couple of weeks ago, the shooting down by Israel of a Hesbollah drone that flew over Israeli air space never got a mention;);)

Allan

[ramblingboy42]

here is a brilliant website explaining Israel's past and current borders and why they exist as they do. Can you blame the Israelis for their reactions now? I'm glad that they get the miltary support that they have. If you read about what Israelis believe (google it, take the time to read it) you will understand how corrupt christianity became for their leaders and their armies to survive.

History of Israel and Palestine in VERY Easy To Understand Maps (http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html)

[steelo]

By sort out - you mean? Isreal are doing it wrong, behaving like those they condemn - persecuting to prevent their own persecution. Its not a good look. They can sort out their own country... swallow some pride and give some back to the Palestinians.

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Touche!

[flagg]

I'm expecting Tom Waterhouse to pop up with an ad saying that he knows nothing about history of conflict in the middle east, or why the soapbox was banned, but this thread being locked in 24 hours is currently $3.08.

[Disco Muppet]

I'm expecting Tom Waterhouse to pop up with an ad saying that he knows nothing about history of conflict in the middle east, or why the soapbox was banned, but this thread being locked in 24 hours is currently $3.08.

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Will John Singleton cancel a trip to Israel because someone told him they Israelis "Have problems and can't win" ?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I'm affraid that the recent tangent of live gambling odds during debate does not meet the threads voluntary code of conduct for the promotion of gambling.

The code prohibits promotion of odds during debate, in the 30 minutes pre and post debate or in gaps of debate. Descrete promotion of betting odds is permitted during scheduled commercial breaks during debate so long as the promotion is clearly identified as betting promotion in your avatar or signature line.

Diana
Immoderating :D

Just kidding!

[lebanon]

Since I am living with my family in this part of the world, I will reply to all posts by quotes from great people who believed in peace.

Please before playing the drums of war and legitimate it, think of the innocent casualties, think of the children and elderly who will suffer, think that with the price of weapons many diseases will be eradicated, many hungry persons will be fed, many thirsty communities will enjoy the grace of drinking and eating.

I believe in that because I experienced the horrors of war and I don't want my kids to experience it again.
We are the children of life and not of death and destruction.

Live and give peace

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.
Mahatma Gandhi

One cannot subdue a man by holding back his hands. Lasting peace comes not from force.
David Borenstein

Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding.
Albert Einstein

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other.
Mother Teresa

Peace cannot be achieved through violence, it can only be attained through understanding.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality... I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Compensation? Why? The state that is Israel, not the fringes aquired through kicking the arabs up the bum, was bought, yes bought as in moneys was paid to the Owners, from Arab landowners who were only too willing to take the money because they thought that they would be able to kick the jews out after a while and regain control. The British and european powers assisted in the setting up of a govt after the land had been bought. Most of the money came from Germany as reparations and from wealthy Jews in America.Most of the Arab nations at the time were not worried it seems about the jews arriving because there had always been Jews living all over the Arab world.
The trouble started when the erstwhile owners decided they wanted their land back and instigated the uprisings which soon escalated into what we see today. Needless to say the Landowners were influential in the various Govts .
Sadly this history has been lost in the years of maelstrom since :( As is so often the case with the true reasons behind any inter tribal warfare. And yes the reasons about giving land back is the same as us handing ours back to the "Original" Bloody NIL!!

Cheers ScottHi Scott

I had been under the impression that reparations and compensation has not been paid and it seems that I am correct, at least in my research this afternoon.

It seems that while reparations were intended in the 1948 UN determination (to be paid for by the taxpayers of the entire World) mostly this remains unpaid.

"Despite the United Nations determination in 1948 that the “refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so atthe earliest practicable date”, the nascent State of Israel enacted laws to bar their return and expropriate their property. To date, Palestinians have not been allowed to repatriate or repossess their properties nor have they received compensation for their losses. The injustice of the unresolved dispossession is exemplified by the case of former Palestinian residents of West Jerusalem, many of whom live in East Jerusalem within a few kilometres of ancestral homes that remain intact but occupied, often by recent Jewish immigrants." http://www.palestine-studies.org/files/pdf/jq/10320.pdf There are numerous other publications.

In Australia and under Aboriginal land-rights cases since Mabo millions of hectares of been returned under native title and much of it has been onsold for the benefit of the current native title holders excluding it from their own future generations. How will this be different from any other privatley owned land? Should that also be returned too?

[jimr1]

I always find it very disturbing when people find I.D.F. action against a perceived threat as an act of aggression when most U.N. members are asking for support for the opposition. The Israelis are always portrayed as the aggressor, you would not think they have lived in that country for over 3000 years. Sounds a bit like our Aboriginals, by the way have you said sorry lately.

Allan
Why should I say sorry to anyone, when you say ,(our Aboriginals)there not mine , I don't want one . As for this 3000 years , it's time poeple moved on
they should try to live together , after all we have all religions here and Australia works very well...

[manic]

I find it strange, why, that on this same forum a couple of weeks ago, the shooting down by Israel of a Hesbollah drone that flew over Israeli air space never got a mention;);)
Hesbollah Drone == Toy plane dispensing Polaroids on Parachutes.






If you have, or are lucky enough to visit Israel, you will find it a far removed country from that the news services show, as removed I assume as East London is. Many Arabs live side by side with Jewish neighbors, share their history, eat and drink coffee together and live in peace.


Oh it is definitely FAR FAR removed. A bubble even, Israelis have a great country with a good quality of life. Gotta love Tel-Avivs party scene!

Don't mention the WALL! :ninja:

[Allan]

Wait and see the reaction of your community when the building of an Islamic house of prayer is suggested in your area. This was tried in Perths North Eastern suburbs with much opposition. So much for multicultural Australia.

Allan

[Allan]

Hesbollah Drone == Toy plane dispensing Polaroids on Parachutes.






Oh it is definitely FAR FAR removed. A bubble even, Israelis have a great country with a good quality of life. Gotta love Tel-Avivs party scene!

Don't mention the WALL! :ninja:

Ever seen half a dozen 12 year old girls blown to bits during a Bat mitzvah. What wall in Tel Aviv?

Allan

[manic]

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[Allan]

Since I am living with my family in this part of the world, I will reply to all posts by quotes from great people who believed in peace.

Please before playing the drums of war and legitimate it, think of the innocent casualties, think of the children and elderly who will suffer, think that with the price of weapons many diseases will be eradicated, many hungry persons will be fed, many thirsty communities will enjoy the grace of drinking and eating.

I believe in that because I experienced the horrors of war and I don't want my kids to experience it again.
We are the children of life and not of death and destruction.

Live and give peace

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.
Mahatma Gandhi

One cannot subdue a man by holding back his hands. Lasting peace comes not from force.
David Borenstein

Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding.
Albert Einstein

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other.
Mother Teresa

Peace cannot be achieved through violence, it can only be attained through understanding.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality... I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

I have been many times to the Middle East and share your pain for the lost on both sides of the argument. I also do not wish to see my family in another war for survival brought about by those who are unwilling to discuss a peaceful resolution to the on going conflict in the region. I feel a chance was lost when Rabin was shot and during his burial, when Assad's father attended the funeral. I do in all sincerity hope that the conflict in all areas of the Middle East bring about a lasting peace but radicals on all sides make this very unlikely. The Middle East is probably one of the most interesting and historically significant and beautiful regions on Earth, but few will ever witness it. My wife's great grandfather is buried in Haifa, part of the UK/Australian cavalry charge at the wells of BetSheva during WW1, we were the first to visit his grave since 1917. No on else in the family would go because of the perceived danger in the region.

Be well, stay safe,Allan

[Allan]

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You need a map, and not all Israeli or Palestinians are what you imagine. My best friend is a Palestinian Doctor and my barber Lebanese.
We discuss polotics often without loosing the plot.

[Allan]

Since I am living with my family in this part of the world, I will reply to all posts by quotes from great people who believed in peace.

Please before playing the drums of war and legitimate it, think of the innocent casualties, think of the children and elderly who will suffer, think that with the price of weapons many diseases will be eradicated, many hungry persons will be fed, many thirsty communities will enjoy the grace of drinking and eating.

I believe in that because I experienced the horrors of war and I don't want my kids to experience it again.
We are the children of life and not of death and destruction.

Live and give peace

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.
Mahatma Gandhi

One cannot subdue a man by holding back his hands. Lasting peace comes not from force.
David Borenstein

Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding.
Albert Einstein

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other.
Mother Teresa

Peace cannot be achieved through violence, it can only be attained through understanding.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality... I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Hay Lebanon, when we do get around to peace in the region we must meet for coffee at this fantastic place called LaLa land on the beach in Tel Aviv. Best coffee and food i ever had.

Allan

[manic]

You need a map....
You need to read.

[bob10]

Since I am living with my family in this part of the world, I will reply to all posts by quotes from great people who believed in peace.

Please before playing the drums of war and legitimate it, think of the innocent casualties, think of the children and elderly who will suffer, think that with the price of weapons many diseases will be eradicated, many hungry persons will be fed, many thirsty communities will enjoy the grace of drinking and eating.

I believe in that because I experienced the horrors of war and I don't want my kids to experience it again.
We are the children of life and not of death and destruction.

Live and give peace

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.
Mahatma Gandhi

One cannot subdue a man by holding back his hands. Lasting peace comes not from force.
David Borenstein

Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding.
Albert Einstein

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other.
Mother Teresa

Peace cannot be achieved through violence, it can only be attained through understanding.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality... I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

I'm with you, Mate, all the way. It's almost as though Humans have a self destruct gene, Bob