Positive Votes for 2.2 Puma's

[inken_dave]

Hi all! I've owned many landrover's, and currently drive a 1997 TDI 300 110.

I'm within a few hours of either buying a new 2013 Defender 110, or spend enough money to get my 1997 110 where I want it to be (10-15K)

If anyone just wants to say,................. (despite the usual Landrover issues, small cockpit, flat sides, small engine, etc, etc),


"Hey I really like mine, and I haven't had any real problems!"


Please vote here, as I really want to know that the majority of Puma's are rolling off the production line without to many problems?

For me, and most of us $55,000 is a lot of money to spend!

[ezyrama]

Love mine, buy one!@

[Bundalene]

Our PUMA hasn't missed a beat. The 3 years warranty period is almost up and not 1 warranty claim, only a few recalls early on.

We do all our own services and keep a close eye on things, eg I noticed the oil in the transfer being quite discoloured at 40,000kms so I change this every 20,000kms, probably over kill but inexpensive insurance.

The only complaint I brought up with the dealer were the bumps and bulges on the original General Grabber tyres and was told they are all like that. They are right, I have seem others like mine.


Erich

[Loubrey]

Dave,

Mine is not a 2.2 but a 2.4 Puma. It turned 3 years old on 20 April 2013 and except for a relay on the alarm system, the vehicle has performed faultless over the past 3 years. The 2.2 has had a number of refinements over the past few years (Land Rover R&D on the trot) and from all accounts are great cars.

Having owned a number of Defenders since 1997, this one is by a country mile the best one I've had.

Unfortunately the vast majority (which make up the good ones) get very little press...

Cheers,

Lou

[debruiser]

I've only done 2800kms in my 2013 D90. The worst complaint I have is that the plastic covers on the rear seats rattle.

Of course more power would be better, but it could have 10000000000hp and more would still be better..... :wasntme:

[Sandgroper]

I've had my puma 90 for four months and I love it! I would not swap this thing for anything else, it's comfortable, I can hear the radio clearly over the engine and hold a conversation without yelling, it doesn't leak water onto my foot when it rains, it keeps up with the flow of traffic easily - it's just brilliant!!! If you get one and love it half as much as I do mine you'll be extremely happy mate!

[Lagerfan]

We've had our MY13 90 LE about 3 months, so maybe not long enough for a really thorough review but no complaints yet. The biggest issue we have is me and the missus flighting over who is going to drive :D, well that and getting used to the defender driving technique after 5 years of driving a Ford automatic softroader... clunk... clunk... clunk... but we're improving daily!

Never been a rev head but can honestly say I love this truck.

[tequesta]

Outside of the seat belt bolt recall, it has been all good for my D90.
14,000km on the odo, with the monthly off road drives, no gripes at all. Odd as I had no amount of complaints with the D3..:wasntme:

[inken_dave]

Keep going!

Just wanted you all to know that I appreciate the feedback, oftern forum's can become just a collection of issues and problems which can appear depressing!

If people want to continue to give positive reports about these new Rovers, I'm sure I'm not the only one who will appreciate it....

Thanks again!:D

[chook73]

In the 3 years of my warranty I had a heap of warranty work done, a lot of it the dealer picked up and replaced as precautionary measures and some of it at my request (i.e. there was clearly a fault). Some of it was marginal and potentially down to me being fussy but it was all done none the less.

Thing being that the warranty covered the problems that occurred and there weren't any arguments and nothing was refused which is the main thing. If you want to see a problem with vehicles where the dealers and manufacturer don't want to cover as much as a loose bolt go to the nissan patrol forum. :cool:

[gconran]

Had my MY13 D90 for a little over 2 months now.

LOVE IT! :)

Other than a few clunks and such like its a great machine!

[LoveB]

As people have said, most people post when something goes wrong. i've had the puma 110 for 2 months now. few niggles here and there but I cant complain. I love it.

[oldyella 76]

My 2.2 litre 110 puma is now about 14 months old and has 20,000 clicks on it has only had one problem which occured on the way home when new (a pinched wire) No problems at all and very happy.
Lindsay.

[JayBoRover]

I just had my 20,000km service last week at almost smack on the 1 year mark and no real problems to date with the MY12 D90. Over a quarter of that distance was towing a lightly loaded fully enclosed trailer.

I did have an annoying rattle in the rear (drivers side rear corner near the alpine windows somewhere) that I mentioned when I booked the car in for the service. The rattle stopped the same day I mentioned it and hasn't returned in the three weeks since. If only I'd realised all those months ago that the way to get rid of it was simply to report it as a problem:D.

I love the little beast and the accessories I've bolted on to date (by far the most useful being the genuine tow bar, Mulgo twin sill tanks and the Narva spotlights, followed closely by the Safari snorkel and ARB winch bull-bar):cool:. Looking forward to having the time to finish kitting out the inside like I want and getting out and using it:).

I can pretty much guarantee I'll keep this little beauty for many years and several hundred thousand kilometres. Very happy with it.

[beefy]

love it. i drive it all day for work and long haul. its heaps better then the nissan i had before.

[c.h.i.e.f]

Owned 2010 110 puma and now a 2013 130 puma and have found both to be fairly good...I miss the traction control of the 110 and also miss the abs which I thought I would never say but they work great...I would have to say my county is more relaxing to drive but not as much luxury :angel: after driving Toyota's and nissans lately I now realise how uncomfortable the landys are for long trips but having said that landys have a better seating position for offroading than the rest..

[BigBlueOne]

I've had my 2012 D90 for 15 months now and just clocked 25,000km. The only problems i have had is a split intercooler and radiator hose from rubbing which were fixed promptly with no fuss by the dealer. Since about the 20,000km mark the engine seems to have 'loosened' up and is now a lot easier to drive, especially in peak hour traffic. If i had the money i'd buy another one tomorrow!

[Andy_Chil]

Thomas is an MY13 110, 6 weeks in with 2,500 on the clock. So far, so good.
Love driving it but gear changing still a little clunky when I'm in a hurry.
Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien. :p

[gcl381]

Love mine - first landrover & it's a keeper. No serious issues.

[Maxximus]

love mine also - got it 20 Mar 13 from Alto in Sydney and it moves my family of 6 plus with the kids telling me it is very comfortable!

[Jondavball]

2012 110 and I have now been driving it for about 10 months and 15,000km and not one hint of trouble. It has even converted my wife who also loves it.

[78RRman]

Looks like you've got a few votes for the puma, I bought mine in January and my wife has put 10000k on the clock and she loves it. Had a blow out on the continental tyre at 400km and scratched a rim fixed up strait away. Love it to bits I even get to drive it sometimes.:D every time

[gng1]

We've had a new 7 seat 2.2 since November 2012 and have done 10000 km. Previously we've had a 2009 2.4 puma and a 1995 300 TDi. There is no doubt the 2.2 is the best of the three, especially at highway speeds. The air intake grille fell off at 5000 km and has just been replaced on warranty; most would install a snorkel anyway. There was some steering wheel vibration when accelerating at highway speeds which turned out to be a rogue hose and fixed by the service centre under warranty. The interior trim of one of the rear doors was not installed properly and has also been fixed. Two interior panels at the rear (along side the small windows) are not properly fixed causing vibration when playing music. Some clips have been ordered to fix this, also on warranty. All these things are pretty minor (apart from the hose issue that might have been serious if it had rubbed through I guess) and we're really happy with it. It is very enjoyable to drive whether around town, on the highway, tracks or on corrugations.

We found last week that it is not particularly burglar proof with a rear side window being jemmied open. They were after money and even got in under the passenger seat. So no improvements to the side window design in all those years!

[rgty_kmj]

Got a new 2.2 110 in white at the end of november last year (VIN 420355).
Now 5200 km on the clock. Haven't taken it any where serious.
No problems. One of the first things that I did was remove the 2 rear seats
as they took up a bit of room. Not sure if mine has DPF as I haven't seen
the light come on yet. Gear changing takes a bit of getting used to.
Not sure if I have got used to it yet.

Kerry

Hamilton NZ

[Summiitt]

My work utes are a 130 tdi, a 130 td5 and I've just sold my 130 2.4 and got into a new 2.2. The 2.2 is definitely the best yet, when I drive the other utes, there is no comparison, particularly the td5. We run them loaded off road and tow a lot and the pumas are along way ahead of the others, but the 2.2 seems to have a little more zip than the old 2.4, looking forward to seeing how this new motor beds in at around 30k.

[DefenderJim]

Love mine, only issue is the factory upgraded HID lights keep blowing..but they replace them under warranty

[lowbox]

21ks on mine in 14 months so far, its great. Only problems have been a loose air hose clamp, and a clutch re-bleed. Has been surprising good offroad, i was sceptical about traction control but it works OK!

[inken_dave]

I've taken the advice of the many above recomendations, and picked mine up yesterday at 1600! It has done 56km's!

I'm more than impressed. It off to ARB for various accessories next week. I should have taken the day off, as it is just outside my office! I'm not totally focused at the moment!

[Lagerfan]

I've taken the advice of the many above recomendations, and picked mine up yesterday at 1600! It has done 56km's!


Nice work & congrats! Piccies please.

Yeah should have gone with the day off :D

[FeatherWeightDriver]

I've taken the advice of the many above recomendations, and picked mine up yesterday at 1600! It has done 56km's!

I'm more than impressed. It off to ARB for various accessories next week. I should have taken the day off, as it is just outside my office! I'm not totally focused at the moment!

Nice work - congrats!

How much of the 56km so far was "the long way home"?

Oh yeah - pics or it never happened :angel:

[kiwiben]

Mine is going strong, still smells new cos two months ago it was.

I learnt to drive an 85 110. My Puma is so much improved over the earlier models, im very impressed and happy.

More power would be nice but it still gets up and goes better than my 1990 RR did, it just doesnt sound as good... for 2.2 its very driveable, I havent seriously put it through its paces off road but I am sure it will be as good as every other deefer built.

I think you should buy one

[inken_dave]

Ok more to follow! but here is my new purchase! I managed to remember to take one picture in-between looking underneath it, and trying to get a idea of engine bay configuration and systems under the hood!

Does anybody have any technical knowledge of the TCS(Traction control system)? I'm going to wait until 30000km (Advice of the ARB mechanics, due to bedding in issues on all new trucks) before deciding to install front and rear diff locks.

I want to see how good the TCS is, I've had a good go at getting it stuck, especially on a good chassis twisting contour bank, but the system didn't seem quick enough to respond to the scenario?

Any technical explanation of the system would be great!

Has anybody bought a workshop manual for the 2.2 truck yet? I want to service it myself eventually! First service is scheduled at 20000km according to the book! I think I'll be halving that figure!

[ozrob]

I will respond to this question as my first post on the ARLO forum,
I have TCS on my Suzuki Grand Vitara and it is fantastic off road, (too small though...will be buying a 110 Puma shortly)
So how does it work,
Basically to have wheel spin = no grip so what the TCS does is use the ABS ring segments and counts the rotational speed of the wheel, if one wheel is turning faster than the other wheel on the same axle it assumes that the wheel is spinning, then it sends a signal to the ABS modulator for that brake circuit and applies the brake enough to stop the wheel spin, thus all the power on the axle is transferred to the wheel that is not spinning ( which happens to have the most grip).
Also the engine timing gets retarded to reduce power to the spinning wheels (with the suzuki TCS)
Works great on firm surfaces....black soil mud is a issue where none of the wheels can get grip....you will find that the engine will rev up and down constantly, the trick here is to disconnect one of the ABS sensors so the TCS is Off...so you get full wheel spin....
I have owned a Diahatsu Feroza and a 2.8 Hilux, neither of them were able to to perform off road as good as my GV3 with TCS.

have a look at this Youtube link, it is a good example of TCS V'S locked diffs
Land Rover 110 vs Toyota Land Cruiser 70-SW Pt2. - YouTube


Ok more to follow! but here is my new purchase! I managed to remember to take one picture in-between looking underneath it, and trying to get a idea of engine bay configuration and systems under the hood!

Does anybody have any technical knowledge of the TCS(Traction control system)? I'm going to wait until 30000km (Advice of the ARB mechanics, due to bedding in issues on all new trucks) before deciding to install front and rear diff locks.

I want to see how good the TCS is, I've had a good go at getting it stuck, especially on a good chassis twisting contour bank, but the system didn't seem quick enough to respond to the scenario?

Any technical explanation of the system would be great!

Has anybody bought a workshop manual for the 2.2 truck yet? I want to service it myself eventually! First service is scheduled at 20000km according to the book! I think I'll be halving that figure!

[RVR110]

<snip>I want to see how good the TCS is, I've had a good go at getting it stuck, especially on a good chassis twisting contour bank, but the system didn't seem quick enough to respond to the scenario?<snip>

TC takes a bit of getting used to. It's all about throttle control. When the vehicle gets crossed up and the TC hasn't kicked in (or isn't working hard enough) then try gently accelerating. This induces wheel spin which the on board computer detects and then responds to. TC will get you many places that you wouldn't get if you didn't have it, but it isn't as good a lockers. Vehicles with open diffs, TC and lockers all require different driving styles.

[bemm52]

Has anybody bought a workshop manual for the 2.2 truck yet? I want to service it myself eventually! First service is scheduled at 20000km according to the book! I think I'll be halving that figure!

I bought a workshop manual from the AULRO shop on CD by mail order very good prompt service

Cheers Paul

[juddy]

Will the ARB diff lock's invalidate your warranty?

[RVR110]

^^ x 2. Make sure you verify any warranty impact with your dealer and factor that into your decision.


<snip>I'm going to wait until 30000km (Advice of the ARB mechanics, due to bedding in issues on all new trucks) before deciding to install front and rear diff locks.<snip>
Perhaps someone more qualified than me can comment, but if that were true then the concept of a factory installed diff lock wouldn't make sense. I know you can't get them on Defenders, but there are plenty of other cars that have them either as an option or as a standard feature.

[inken_dave]

Will the ARB diff lock's invalidate your warranty?

I certainly need to find that out! I'll ring the dealer tomorrow, and see what happens!

[NT5224]

Hi Dave

I've had Hector my fabulous 2.2 Puma ute for about a year now. Read any of my Aulro posts and you'll see I reckon the beast is awesome!

Hector's no urban run-around either, but consistently hauls heavy loads through mud and along some of the toughest property trails in the Territory, places where oriental competitors probably couldn't reach unladen!

Just done first service, all fine and no problems only rattling doors shortly after delivery which the Darwin dealers fixed under warranty in a couple of hours.

I have never once had the DPF light on or smelt burning so wouldn't know the DPF is there unless I hadn't read it. No turbo hose problems either. Build quality might not be quite as robust as earlier Land Rovers, but you get the best most reliable engine a working Land Rover has yet seen - surely that counts for something.

Just Luvin' my Land Rover :)

[chook73]

Ok more to follow! but here is my new purchase! I managed to remember to take one picture in-between looking underneath it, and trying to get a idea of engine bay configuration and systems under the hood!

Does anybody have any technical knowledge of the TCS(Traction control system)? I'm going to wait until 30000km (Advice of the ARB mechanics, due to bedding in issues on all new trucks) before deciding to install front and rear diff locks.

I want to see how good the TCS is, I've had a good go at getting it stuck, especially on a good chassis twisting contour bank, but the system didn't seem quick enough to respond to the scenario?

Any technical explanation of the system would be great!

Has anybody bought a workshop manual for the 2.2 truck yet? I want to service it myself eventually! First service is scheduled at 20000km according to the book! I think I'll be halving that figure!

If you are considering the ARB lockers have a look at the Ashcroft Lockers, a much better product made just for the landrovers.

[Sandgroper]

Will the ARB diff lock's invalidate your warranty?

According to the dealer I bought my landie from at Southern Landrover, it will void your warranty.

[inken_dave]

Talked to my Landrover dealer today, and they explained that it would void warranty on any damage directly/indirectly caused by the installation.

For example if a CV or driveshaft were damaged due to the terrain and a locked diff, then it would not be repaired under warranty!

There could be some very grey areas under this policy, but the value of the diff lock/s is probably more than having to wait three years for warranty to run out!

The TCS system has its place, and works very well with soft undulating mounds where the lifted wheel gently spins and the TCS system kicks in.

What doesn't seem right is when tracking up a snotty rocky slope, and having intermittent traction, but not enough loss to wake to TCS system up, then having to spin the wheel more so that rocks are thrown everywhere and the driveline takes working much harder, and then the TCS comes to life!

Pitty, the Landrover doesn't come with mechanical/air lockers as standard.

However I'll fix that myself and just to say that I have been so far very impressed with the new Defender. The anti stall system works a treat, and the ABS system also changes a lot. I really like the newer dashboard, but still find the character and the Defender still very much alive.

[Horatioau]

My MY13 90 is going on 4000k's and has been brilliant.

Only gripe has been the side intake grill fell off at about 1600km's and one of the rear seats won't fold away.

[weeds]

this video show me that the car with traction control does more damage to the track than the locked vehicle.....

BTW what class are you........43rd Fitter


I will respond to this question as my first post on the ARLO forum,
I have TCS on my Suzuki Grand Vitara and it is fantastic off road, (too small though...will be buying a 110 Puma shortly)
So how does it work,
Basically to have wheel spin = no grip so what the TCS does is use the ABS ring segments and counts the rotational speed of the wheel, if one wheel is turning faster than the other wheel on the same axle it assumes that the wheel is spinning, then it sends a signal to the ABS modulator for that brake circuit and applies the brake enough to stop the wheel spin, thus all the power on the axle is transferred to the wheel that is not spinning ( which happens to have the most grip).
Also the engine timing gets retarded to reduce power to the spinning wheels (with the suzuki TCS)
Works great on firm surfaces....black soil mud is a issue where none of the wheels can get grip....you will find that the engine will rev up and down constantly, the trick here is to disconnect one of the ABS sensors so the TCS is Off...so you get full wheel spin....
I have owned a Diahatsu Feroza and a 2.8 Hilux, neither of them were able to to perform off road as good as my GV3 with TCS.

have a look at this Youtube link, it is a good example of TCS V'S locked diffs
Land Rover 110 vs Toyota Land Cruiser 70-SW Pt2. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMhOhT5nwZk)

[fonfe]

Puma models are great cars. I only ever see them at work for servicing and problems. I've worked on them in the uk and over here and they still get my vote as a great vehicle.
BUT every vehicle has a purpose. It seems most complaints in regards to them is gear changes and backlash. This is all down to the type of vehicle it is. If you want smooth stuff buy a disco. If you want a bit more raw buy a defender.
Simples :D