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bob10
6th May 2013, 07:16 PM
Well tried to find the original post, but no luck, here is the official reply to the question about southern 4WDers coming to Qld, re Regs. Not sure if it says much, Bob

Dear

Thank you for your enquiry to the Department of Transport and Main Roads regarding modifications to 4WD's in Queensland.

Any person operating a vehicle on Queensland's roads, regardless of where it is registered, must meet the Queensland Vehicle Standards. If a vehicle has been modified in a way that is not permitted in Queensland, the vehicle can not be used on Queensland roads.

In an effort to reduce the inconsistencies in modification requirements for light vehicles between states, the Australian Motor Vehicle Certification Board has developed the National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction and Modification (the NCOP). This document seeks to provide a single set of modification rules in all states and reduce red tape and regulation for all Australian vehicle owners and modifiers.

As I am sure you can understand, given that modification systems have operated independently in all states for some time, the process to align the requirements will not happen over night and will likely occur in stages. While most states and territories now use the NCOP, there are still variations between states, however compared to the previous systems, the number is much lower.

I hope this information is of assistance. Should you have further enquiries please call the Vehicle Standards & Modifications Advice Team on 3114 5844, Monday to Friday, 10:00 am to 4:30 pm.

Homestar
6th May 2013, 07:20 PM
Hmm, so it is pretty much saying 'Don't come to Queensland in your legally modified vehicle, you are not welcome to come and spend your tourist dollars here...'

I can't imagine how long it will take to get a national system sorted, no state want to be the one to change their laws to suit someone else.

I'm pretty happy with the Vic laws now, just means I can't drive the Classic legally in Queensland...

bob10
6th May 2013, 08:17 PM
Hmm, so it is pretty much saying 'Don't come to Queensland in your legally modified vehicle, you are not welcome to come and spend your tourist dollars here...'

I can't imagine how long it will take to get a national system sorted, no state want to be the one to change their laws to suit someone else.

I'm pretty happy with the Vic laws now, just means I can't drive the Classic legally in Queensland...

Don't think Qld Tourism is concentrating on Vics at the moment, too much money coming in from Asia, China is just starting to power ahead up here. You could always go to Sth Aus. I'm sure you would be welcome there, Bob

slug_burner
6th May 2013, 08:45 PM
Don't think Qld Tourism is concentrating on Vics at the moment, too much money coming in from Asia, China is just starting to power ahead up here. You could always go to Sth Aus. I'm sure you would be welcome there, Bob

Yes I can see them now, all the Asians, particularly the Chinese driving down into QLD in their modified 4wds, not.

austravel
6th May 2013, 08:59 PM
Well it is good to hear that they are making all the regulations standard nation wide. Whilst for some people the rulings may not be what they want to hear, or might be a change to what they are used to, it's still good that it's all one.

However how long it takes will be another story, like all issues these days, i'm sure there will be a few changes in leadership before it all settles haha

Anyway, if anyone is interested in some bedtime reading, here is the link to the Nation code of practice for light vehicle construction and modification.

Vehicle Standards Bulletin 14 (VSB 14) (http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/vsb_ncop.aspx)

One interesting fact i found, and may have read wrong but doesn't sound like it. You can lift your vehicle by 50mm. However that is a combination of suspension + tyres + body lift.

goingbush
6th May 2013, 09:14 PM
I've been in Longreach QLD for about 3 weeks in my Vic reg'd defender,
havent seen a single Asian or any other ethnic brand for that matter,
as for Vehicle mods, the cops have done a few double takes at my Defender, but no u turns. (so far so good) Perhaps I should stick a bit of black tape in the center of my LED Light Bar :D

(meybe I stand out because I dont have a "TUFF" bulbar.)

slug_burner
6th May 2013, 09:39 PM
I've been in Longreach QLD for about 3 weeks in my Vic reg'd defender,
havent seen a single Asian or any other ethnic brand for that matter,
as for Vehicle mods, the cops have done a few double takes at my Defender, but no u turns. (so far so good) Perhaps I should stick a bit of black tape in the center of my LED Light Bar :D

(meybe I stand out because I dont have a "TUFF" bulbar.)

Better get that tape, that is a QLD special.

Bigbjorn
7th May 2013, 06:58 AM
Don't hold your breath waiting for a uniform National Code of Practice to be in place. Around 1976 the National Assn. of State Road Authorities came up with the NAASRA scheme for uniform speed, length, weight limits for heavy transport.

Still waiting.

Davo
7th May 2013, 10:47 AM
Yes, look at how long the railways were a different gauge.

Even if the rules do change, most cops and civil servants won't be the full bottle on them for rather a while.

austravel
7th May 2013, 11:38 AM
Even if the rules do change, most cops and civil servants won't be the full bottle on them for rather a while.

Sad thing is, that's the truth. Even now some of them struggle to know what the regulations are. That's why i recommend printing off the specific pages that detail what your modifications are. ie; print the suspension part off if you do a lift etc. Nothing throws it in their face more than knowing the law, it's a good feeling!

Ranga
7th May 2013, 11:44 AM
Yes, look at how long the railways were a different gauge.

were?

Homestar
7th May 2013, 12:06 PM
Don't think Qld Tourism is concentrating on Vics at the moment, too much money coming in from Asia, China is just starting to power ahead up here. You could always go to Sth Aus. I'm sure you would be welcome there, Bob


I'm always welcome in SA and always made to feel welcome there.:)

Davo
7th May 2013, 02:53 PM
were?

I thought they fixed it? I'm not too cluey about it since I don't drive a train.

Homestar
7th May 2013, 04:21 PM
I thought they fixed it? I'm not too cluey about it since I don't drive a train.

No, not yet - or ever will be in fact. There are still 3 rails running out of Victoria on the interstate lines - not sure which states use which gauge though, but all 3 rails on those lines are shiny, so still used.

Ranga will be able to expand on this I'm sure.

Bigbjorn
7th May 2013, 04:45 PM
There is more 3'6" gauge in Australia than 4'8 1/2" & 5'3" combined. Actually there is probably more 3'6" in Qld than wider gauges nation wide.

BMKal
7th May 2013, 05:23 PM
There is more 3'6" gauge in Australia than 4'8 1/2" & 5'3" combined. Actually there is probably more 3'6" in Qld than wider gauges nation wide.

There's still a hell of a lot of 3'6 here in WA as well. Only the main line from Perth going east and a couple of branch lines running off it (Esperance / Leonora and to some industrial areas around Perth) are 4'8 1/2.

The privately owned iron ore lines up north are all 3'6 as well.

Mick_Marsh
7th May 2013, 09:36 PM
were?
In Vic we were predominately one gauge. Then the national standard was brought in. We are now predominately two gauges.

Davo
7th May 2013, 09:59 PM
Well there you go, after the public servants fixed it! :p

3toes
8th May 2013, 04:37 AM
Railways in Australia were standardised at 3 foot 6 inches. One of the few times that a national agreement like this was reached.

Then what has become the normal pattern with such 'national' agreements followed. One state deciding to adopt a larger gauge despite the agreement. This was then followed by another state having to go one better and so adopted a larger gauge again.

Not sure that Queensland Transport can be held responsible for this though.

JDNSW
8th May 2013, 05:59 AM
Railways in Australia were standardised at 3 foot 6 inches. One of the few times that a national agreement like this was reached.

Then what has become the normal pattern with such 'national' agreements followed. One state deciding to adopt a larger gauge despite the agreement. This was then followed by another state having to go one better and so adopted a larger gauge again.

Not sure that Queensland Transport can be held responsible for this though.

The first railways in Australia, in Melbourne and Sydney, used an Irish engineer, and hence 5'3" gauge. After the Sydney enterprise went broke (before a train had run, or, I think, before a rail had been laid) and was taken over by the government, who hired an English engineer who changed the gauge to standard.

Most other states used 3'6" from the start (much later). S.A. used 5'3" for main lines because Victoria did, and unlike all other interstate situations, there was likely to be a Melbourne - Adelaide connection. No other interstate connection was envisaged until thirty years after the first railways were built. And the colonies were not united into one country until 1901, by which time the major routes in all states had been built.

John

Bigbjorn
8th May 2013, 07:06 AM
Ask your library to find "Triumph of the Narrow Gauge", the history of Queensland Railways. An excellent read.

101RRS
8th May 2013, 08:58 AM
Is thread about trains or 4wds?:confused: By the looks of it trains - can the OP get the thread title changed to "Railway Gauges of Australia" ;)

Garry

Mick_Marsh
8th May 2013, 11:09 AM
Keep up with the conversation Garry. It's going to move to registration labels soon.

Davo
8th May 2013, 12:08 PM
Sorry, have things gotten "off track"? :p

FeatherWeightDriver
8th May 2013, 12:10 PM
Keep up with the conversation Garry. It's going to move to registration labels soon.

NSW no longer requires rego labels for light vehicles up to 4.5T GMV, how about other states?

No more rego stickers for light vehicles < Registration < www.rta.nsw.gov.au (http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/abolish_labels/index.html)

Sorry couldn't resist :wasntme:

101RRS
8th May 2013, 12:46 PM
It's going to move to registration labels soon.

As do all threads involving cross border discussions.:D

Ok - change the title of the thread to "Not Rego Labels Again - Will Keep Mick Happy"

UncleHo
8th May 2013, 01:42 PM
During WW11 the change of gauge from NSW's 4ft 8/12in to Qld's 3ft 6ins lead to total confusion at Warrangarra where trains had to be unloaded and reloaded, many of which carried vital war material, and transiting troops bound for North Qld.

Even now there are some rail bridges that are unable to take the weight of the old Centurian tanks let alone the later Leopard and current Abrams


cheers

Davo
8th May 2013, 05:14 PM
As do all threads involving cross border discussions.:D

Ok - change the title of the thread to "Not Rego Labels Again - Will Keep Mick Happy"

I suppose the thread was just a sleeper. :D

101 Ron
8th May 2013, 05:43 PM
In NSW you still need rego labels for vehicles on Historic plates......my two cents worth.

Reads90
8th May 2013, 05:53 PM
Well as a pom is amazes me that ever state has differant rules and regs

Just gone threw this crap with a disco I bought in NSW

Bought it back to Qld and tried to rego it . So got a roadworthy and went to the qld transport who then told me the car had a hold on it NSW. They told me it could be stolen or a write off.

But would take 24-48 hours to find out.

In the end it happened to be a write off due to hail damage. I knew it had been in a hail storm as you can see it on the bonnet but I paid $1800 for the car so not too worried as it was going to be a weekend off roader anyway .

But then given the news that in NSW you can rego are write off but guess what you can't in Qld
So I have to take it to the QIS department for the to check the car for a minimum of 48 hours, who are booked up a month and a half in advance . This was a full car check , where I had to produce a roadworthy certificate , all proof of anything I had bought and put on the car or any work I had done to the car. Also a stat Dec signed declaring where I bought it and what I had done to the car since. Also original sales receipt . Oh yeah and of course the $450 for the test.

After I did this I took it to the transport department who then came out and checked it again for numbers . I went off a bit at this and said I have just paid $450 for you lot to do this over 48 hours and now 12 hours later you are doing it again . Why did I bother with the $450.

Any now I have the car rego in qld

Oh and the trader that sold me the car in NSW paid the $450 to my surprise really nice chap , was something I was not expecting

Ali

Bigbjorn
8th May 2013, 06:53 PM
Well as a pom is amazes me that ever state has differant rules and regs

Just gone threw this crap with a disco I bought in NSW

Bought it back to Qld and tried to rego it . So got a roadworthy and went to the qld transport who then told me the car had a hold on it NSW. They told me it could be stolen or a write off.

But would take 24-48 hours to find out.

In the end it happened to be a write off due to hail damage. I knew it had been in a hail storm as you can see it on the bonnet but I paid $1800 for the car so not too worried as it was going to be a weekend off roader anyway .

But then given the news that in NSW you can rego are write off but guess what you can't in Qld
So I have to take it to the QIS department for the to check the car for a minimum of 48 hours, who are booked up a month and a half in advance . This was a full car check , where I had to produce a roadworthy certificate , all proof of anything I had bought and put on the car or any work I had done to the car. Also a stat Dec signed declaring where I bought it and what I had done to the car since. Also original sales receipt . Oh yeah and of course the $450 for the test.

After I did this I took it to the transport department who then came out and checked it again for numbers . I went off a bit at this and said I have just paid $450 for you lot to do this over 48 hours and now 12 hours later you are doing it again . Why did I bother with the $450.

Any now I have the car rego in qld

Oh and the trader that sold me the car in NSW paid the $450 to my surprise really nice chap , was something I was not expecting

Ali

It appears you bought a repairable write-off. The seller should have told you of this, and, you should have done a Revs check, and run the numbers by the RTA or whatever it is called now. The procedure for re-registering repairable write-offs is a national procedure and well documented. The private contractor who verifies repairs did what they are required to do. Check the repairs have been carried out. Verify the purchase of parts for repairs. Verify numbers.

Caused your own hardship by not checking before handing over the money.

Mick_Marsh
8th May 2013, 07:02 PM
As do all threads involving cross border discussions.:D

Ok - change the title of the thread to "Not Rego Labels Again - Will Keep Mick Happy"
Nah. You want to keep me happy, change it to "Why aren't Victorian registration Exempt Trailer plates recognised in other states and territories of Australia?"
I've been towing it in Victoria for 20+ years without incident and now, to use it interstate, it must be registered. It is a home build so does not have any identification and there is to receipt to prove ownership. The hassles I'm going through to get it registered.

I reckon any interstate vehicle that travels to Victoria without a rego label should be put off the road because the vehicle is unsafe (as per Victorias vehicle safety rules).
Sticker-free label plan comes unstuck | adelaidenow (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sticker-free-label-plan-comes-unstuck/story-e6frea6u-1226174014034)

Reads90
8th May 2013, 07:10 PM
It appears you bought a repairable write-off. The seller should have told you of this, and, you should have done a Revs check, and run the numbers by the RTA or whatever it is called now. The procedure for re-registering repairable write-offs is a national procedure and well documented. The private contractor who verifies repairs did what they are required to do. Check the repairs have been carried out. Verify the purchase of parts for repairs. Verify numbers.

Caused your own hardship by not checking before handing over the money.

Yeah but in NSW you can rego a repairable write off in Qld you can't

I would not had to do anything if I lived in NSW as you can register a repairable write with no problem at all but as I don't I had to go through the qld different rules where you can't register a repairable write off . So there is a difference of rules from state to state.

Yeah your right I should have checked it but when you pay $1800 and the car is good a, drives straight look good and no real dings on top or underneath then you don't really think about it.

But hey lesson learned

But still ****es me off and amazes me that each state has different set of road rules

isuzurover
8th May 2013, 07:29 PM
...

I would not had to do anything if I lived in NSW as you can register a repairable write with no problem at all ...


...

I think you have been misinformed (or the NSW rules recently changed). Bundalene on here documented going through the repairable writeoff inspection for a 130 he built for his daughter...

Bigbjorn
8th May 2013, 07:35 PM
Check the RMS web site. NSW has not had repairable write-offs since 1/2/11. All write-offs since then in NSW are statutory write-offs and may not be re-registered ever. If your purchase was an old repairable declaration then the Qld. contractor was doing what they are required by law.

Once again, check, check, check.

bob10
9th May 2013, 04:23 PM
Nah. You want to keep me happy, change it to "Why aren't Victorian registration Exempt Trailer plates recognised in other states and territories of Australia?"
I've been towing it in Victoria for 20+ years without incident and now, to use it interstate, it must be registered. It is a home build so does not have any identification and there is to receipt to prove ownership. The hassles I'm going through to get it registered.
I built my trailer, 7x4, in Qld, from a kit, had to have an inspection, got a compliance plate, riveted it to the trailer, engraved " home made" on top of the plate, all good. Registered, no hassles. Bob

Mick_Marsh
9th May 2013, 04:55 PM
I built my trailer, 7x4, in Qld, from a kit, had to have an inspection, got a compliance plate, riveted it to the trailer, engraved " home made" on top of the plate, all good. Registered, no hassles. Bob
But, I don't want it registered in Queensland.
What I really want to do is to take it interstate on a Victorian Exempt Trailer plate. This is just another example of how our national road rules are not national.

Bigbjorn
9th May 2013, 05:03 PM
My No.5 trailer has a builders plate from Govt. Ordnance Factory, Maribyrnong and a stamped number on the plate. QT does not recognise GOF so my No. 5 is registered as home made.

bob10
9th May 2013, 05:40 PM
But, I don't want it registered in Queensland.
What I really want to do is to take it interstate on a Victorian Exempt Trailer plate. This is just another example of how our national road rules are not national.

That's fine Mick, I just am not sure why you don't register your trailer so you can take it interstate. Is it a Govt. thing , or are you just being pedantic? If so, what's the point? Bob

TonyC
9th May 2013, 06:12 PM
That's fine Mick, I just am not sure why you don't register your trailer so you can take it interstate. Is it a Govt. thing , or are you just being pedantic? If so, what's the point? Bob

For the same reason that I should be allowed to drive my car in QLD.
It meets all the rules and regulations that allow it it to be used in it's home state.

There is an agreement between the states that allow interstate vehicles to be driven, they should only need to comply to the home state regs.
The same reason W.A., S.A. and N.S.W registered vehicles should not be booked for failing to display a rego sticker in Vic.

It's just State verses State pettiness:mad:

Tony

Homestar
9th May 2013, 06:37 PM
That's fine Mick, I just am not sure why you don't register your trailer so you can take it interstate. Is it a Govt. thing , or are you just being pedantic? If so, what's the point? Bob

Why pay for something that isn't needed, and go through all the headaches of dealing with Vicroads - especially since they don't recognise the trailer as being built by a manufacturer like in Micks case. If something doesn't show up in the Vicroads manual, then it simply doesn't exist in their mind. I'm sure like most rego authorities around the country, you don't want to have to deal with them unless you absolutely have to.

More trouble than it's worth.

Mick_Marsh
9th May 2013, 07:44 PM
Bob, As TonyC and Baccicat have said.

As it happens, I am working my way through the process of registering the trailer. To register it, you must make an appointment. To make an appointment, it is not made against your name. It is made against the VIN of the trailer. The first hurdle, trailer has no VIN. Well, I've worked through that problem then they inform me they can't register it without proof of ownership such as a receipt. I wrote one then and there but they wouldn't accept that. They then gave me a form on which I had to explain how I got the trailer, why I didn't register it when I first got it and why I want to register it now. I had to get that signed at The Melbourne Magistrates Court. I then had to make another appointment to find out if they will accept this as proof of ownership. They assure me they will and the trailer will be registered on the 25th. They don't get many enquiries like this.

The main issue with this process is the people on the phone give different advice to what the people at the counter give. Add to that, once you have made an appointment (they're booked up almost a month in advance), If they want more information, you have to wait another month for the next appointment.

The funny thing is, whenever I make an enquiry about registering this trailer, they suggest I should just put "Exempt Trailer" plates on it.

V8Ian
9th May 2013, 07:53 PM
Mick, won't VicRoads accept a stat dec in lieu of a reciept, QT will?

Mick_Marsh
9th May 2013, 08:02 PM
Mick, won't VicRoads accept a stat dec in lieu of a reciept, QT will?
Come to think of it, I think that is the form I had to get signed.
But, Now I have to wait for my next appointment on the 25th.
It would have been so much easier if I could tow the trailer interstate on a Victorian Exempt Trailer plate.

V8Ian
9th May 2013, 08:17 PM
I know a country Victorian Police Officer who got busted doing that Mick. He was gobsmacked, unaware that he was breaking the law.

Mick_Marsh
9th May 2013, 08:32 PM
I know a country Victorian Police Officer who got busted doing that Mick. He was gobsmacked, unaware that he was breaking the law.
I can understand that. Quite some years ago a fellow I knew was told by the NSW police (in the car that pulled him over) to unhitch the trailer and leave it where it was as it was unregistered. When he rang Vicroads (RTA back then I think) they told him the registration rules from the state the car was registered in applied and the NSW police had no cause to do that. He sent the fine back with a letter to that effect. Didn't hear from them again. I thought that was the case until a few years back when I read that it was not so on the Vicroads website. Hence the flurry to get my little 5x3 registered.

V8Ian
9th May 2013, 08:48 PM
Similar situation with trucks. In Queensland, any trailer is covered for third party on the prime mover policy. NSW the policy is on the trailer, ergo a Queensland regoed trailer being towed by a NSW prime mover is a trap fallen into by many in innocence.

Davo
10th May 2013, 10:20 AM
Wow, those are some interesting stories. I expect soon I'll need a passport to travel over there!

When our dribbling idiots dropped the windscreen rego stickers, the advice was to take your rego papers with you if driving interstate. Well, what if you pay online and so your paperwork isn't stamped as paid? What you really need is the Internet on the side of the road so that you can look it up on the Transport WA site, because that's the only way to check now.

Brilliant.

DiscoMick
10th May 2013, 10:37 AM
Similar situation with trucks. In Queensland, any trailer is covered for third party on the prime mover policy. NSW the policy is on the trailer, ergo a Queensland regoed trailer being towed by a NSW prime mover is a trap fallen into by many in innocence.

I wonder if that's why so many trucks owned by interstate companies are registered in Qld, so the trailer is covered with the truck.

Mick_Marsh
10th May 2013, 11:02 AM
When our dribbling idiots dropped the windscreen rego stickers, the advice was to take your rego papers with you if driving interstate. Well, what if you pay online and so your paperwork isn't stamped as paid? What you really need is the Internet on the side of the road so that you can look it up on the Transport WA site, because that's the only way to check now.
I was booked for driving an unregistered vehicle. I had the rego sticker and all the paperwork. The police computers were not up to date.
I had to buy a receipt from Vicroads, which basically said the vehicle was registered at the time of the alleged offence, and sent it with the fine the Snr. Constable gave me to Snr. Sgt. Ritchie at the Traffic Infringements Office. All I got back from them was a letter stating "We will not be pursuing this matter any further." Cost me about fifty dollars to prove they made a mistake.

Unbelievable story? I still have the documentation to prove it.

Oh, and if you travel interstate via New Zealand, you won't need a passport I'm told.

Davo
10th May 2013, 11:19 AM
(Insert string of rude words here.) I wonder if this is what it's like living in Europe?

thedrover
10th May 2013, 01:19 PM
My No.5 trailer has a builders plate from Govt. Ordnance Factory, Maribyrnong and a stamped number on the plate. QT does not recognise GOF so my No. 5 is registered as home made.

That's the funny thing. I've seen the same no5 design in NSW listed as 'unknown make' unknown manufacture date.

In the NT it was listed as 'army trailer' 'there are six other trailers in Australia with that serial number' 'here take this letter punch set and put three other characters in front.'

No BS in the NT. They are seemingly strict, but when it comes down to it I have found them helpful and intent on upholding the spirit and intent of the law, instead of the letter.

Rohan
10th May 2013, 02:10 PM
(Insert string of rude words here.) I wonder if this is what it's like living in Europe?

Not really, they are ONLY international borders, not Australian (police) state borders :D

Have heard some pretty crazy French road rules, that only seem to apply to U.K. drivers :eek:

BTW, back to the original point, will I have to remove my light bar when I go to QLD?

Mick_Marsh
10th May 2013, 03:21 PM
Not really, they are ONLY international borders, not Australian (police) state borders :D

Have heard some pretty crazy French road rules, that only seem to apply to U.K. drivers :eek:

BTW, back to the original point, will I have to remove my light bar when I go to QLD?
If it ain't legal in Qld, they can fine you. It doesn't mean you will be fined. You can take the risk or be safe. Your choice.
Queensland road rules apply in Queensland.
Victorian road rules apply in Victoria.

Davo
10th May 2013, 03:58 PM
Now I'm really confused. If you have your perfectly legal modified car in one state, then it's not legal in the next state?

Mick_Marsh
10th May 2013, 04:09 PM
Now I'm really confused. If you have your perfectly legal modified car in one state, then it's not legal in the next state?
Yep. You're not confused.
And that is what started this thread.

Davo
10th May 2013, 04:51 PM
Ta for that, I have to admit I'd forgotten what the original post was about, even after reading all the crazy stories.

Rohan
11th May 2013, 01:52 PM
If it ain't legal in Qld, they can fine you. It doesn't mean you will be fined. You can take the risk or be safe. Your choice.
Queensland road rules apply in Queensland.
Victorian road rules apply in Victoria.

Yep, I get that....
without having to trawl through all the Qld road rules, can anyone confirm the light bar rules? I'll be driving through nsw (obviously) too, are they ok there?

bob10
11th May 2013, 02:28 PM
I hope this information is of assistance. Should you have further enquiries please call the Vehicle Standards & Modifications Advice Team on 3114 5844, Monday to Friday, 10:00 am to 4:30 pm.[/FONT]


without having to trawl through all the Qld road rules, can anyone confirm the light bar rules? I'll be driving through nsw (obviously) too, are they ok there?[/QUOTE]

As far as Qld goes, ring the no. above. Bob

TonyC
11th May 2013, 03:52 PM
Yep, I get that....
without having to trawl through all the Qld road rules, can anyone confirm the light bar rules? I'll be driving through nsw (obviously) too, are they ok there?

Light bars are OK in QLD, I found this the other day.

I don't now how a state can overrule the ADRs, but there you go!

I'm not so sure about Vic though, do you know if an odd number of main beam lights are OK here?

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Vehicle%20standards%20and%20modifications/Vehicle%20standards/Vehicle%20standards%20instructions/drivinglampsvehiclesguidelinemay13.pdf

Tony

TonyC
11th May 2013, 04:03 PM
If it ain't legal in Qld, they can fine you. It doesn't mean you will be fined. You can take the risk or be safe. Your choice.
Queensland road rules apply in Queensland.
Victorian road rules apply in Victoria.

It's not about road rules. It's about registration requirements.
My car is not registered in QLD, it's registered in Vic. It meets the requirements of Vic.
QLD and Vic., and all the other states, have an agreement that we can drive on each others roads. To enforce QLD registration requirements on a visiting car is nothing more than some petty power trip.

Tony

Homestar
11th May 2013, 04:07 PM
To enforce QLD registration requirements on a visiting car is nothing more than some petty power trip.

Tony

Absolutely it is, but it happens...

bob10
11th May 2013, 04:22 PM
It's not about road rules. It's about registration requirements.
QLD and Vic., and all the other states, have an agreement that we can drive on each others roads.

Tony

Well, not quite, you must still be compliant with the rules from each individual State. That is why we need a National set of rules. And petty minded, police enforcing their own State rules? No mate, It's revenue raising. Probably the reason civilians have control of speed cameras in Vic. I imagine, Bob

Mick_Marsh
11th May 2013, 04:52 PM
It's not about road rules. It's about registration requirements.
My car is not registered in QLD, it's registered in Vic. It meets the requirements of Vic.
QLD and Vic., and all the other states, have an agreement that we can drive on each others roads. To enforce QLD registration requirements on a visiting car is nothing more than some petty power trip.

Tony
Oh how I wish that was true, but it's not.
On the Vicroads website (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/WhatHasToBeRegistered/OtherVehiclesvesselsAndRegistrationIssues/CaravanAndTrailerRegistration.htm) it clearly states
"Note: In many other states, including New South Wales and South Australia, all trailers require registration. If you intend towing your trailer interstate, it is recommended that you register it in Victoria before you travel."
They have put that there because of the numerous complaints Vicroads have fielded from Victorian drivers encounters with petty minded SA and NSW traffic police on a power trip.
I must admit I have towed my little trailer in SA many times over many years without incident but I'm told the NSW police are particularly anal.
Prove me wrong.

As a result, my tourist dollar goes to SA every time.