Its Arrived!

[Aaron]

Complete with a Wonka bar random gift! :burnrubber:.

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Its going to be a good weekend.

[newhue]

So what's the go.

I'm interested in what or if you asked for a tune. I get the impression the sellers kind of make out they can deliver anything. However what I ask for they said they can't do. So I'm puzzled what people ask for.

I look forward to hearing how the installation went.

[Blknight.aus]

I detect the essence of fried clutch and rattly mains in the future....

[Greyfox]

I haven't had a Wonka bar for years:eek:

[Blknight.aus]

Complete with a Wonka bar random gift!

Wait, you bought a Wonka bar and got a Bas Box?

[Tombie]

So what's the go.

I'm interested in what or if you asked for a tune. I get the impression the sellers kind of make out they can deliver anything. However what I ask for they said they can't do. So I'm puzzled what people ask for.

I look forward to hearing how the installation went.

And what did you ask for? :)

[Aaron]

So what's the go.

I'm interested in what or if you asked for a tune. I get the impression the sellers kind of make out they can deliver anything. However what I ask for they said they can't do. So I'm puzzled what people ask for.

I look forward to hearing how the installation went.

From what I have read and understand the figures quoted are the average Joe's tune figures. They can squeeze more out of it if you have other mods and monitoring gear. I will be pretty much asking for the safest/economical tune he can cook up. I'm not after a rocket ship. Id just like to change gears less... wait wait wait... That's a cop out. I just want more power to climb slippery hills in high gears :P

This is also an issue to be fixed. http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/174145-squeaky-egr.html.





I detect the essence of fried clutch and rattly mains in the future....

Grilling the first clutch in a 4wd is all part of the bonding process :)

[Loubrey]

I'm not sure what people expect from a remap, but it doesn't miraculously turn a Tdci into a TdV8...

You ask for a map that suits your application and below is the list I sent to Pete at BAS:

60% of the time as an on/ off road tourer towing a trailer not exceeding 1.2 tonne.
20% of the time for recreational off roading - sand (beach and dunes), rocks/boulders and clayey mud.
20% of daily driving in traffic and motorway use.

What ever the process for mapping the car is, I got the modified file back and its perfect for my application.

Keeping my same driving style I've noticed the following:

1. Almost a liter less per 100 km on consumption.
2. No flat spot anywhere through the gear range.
3. A LOT more power on tap when on the open road - less time in the oncoming lane when overtaking
4. Engine running a lot cooler (cylinder head, coolant and EGT)
5. No issues (noise, rattle or squeak) from the EGR

The list goes on, but I'm not exerting the engine, riding the clutch, racing off at green lights or any of the things you can do with a normal map as well. I'd imagine I'm past the age where I want and need light to light drag power and performance.

My car's happier (smoother and quieter), I'm very happy with the drivability and in my book its an all round win.

Maybe its easier to damage the car if you want to do so, but I fail to see the point of the "opposers" in relation to the way I utilise the remapped car.

Cheers,

Lou

[Aaron]

Done! Now the waiting begins.

Why doesn't he work at 1:58AM !?

For the record I had terrible trouble following the instructions. Then I just did it my way and it happened in minutes. Im wondering if the instructions on the site are a few versions old?

[n plus one]

I'm not sure what people expect from a remap, but it doesn't miraculously turn a Tdci into a TdV8...

You ask for a map that suits your application and below is the list I sent to Pete at BAS:

60% of the time as an on/ off road tourer towing a trailer not exceeding 1.2 tonne.
20% of the time for recreational off roading - sand (beach and dunes), rocks/boulders and clayey mud.
20% of daily driving in traffic and motorway use.

What ever the process for mapping the car is, I got the modified file back and its perfect for my application.

Keeping my same driving style I've noticed the following:

1. Almost a liter less per 100 km on consumption.
2. No flat spot anywhere through the gear range.
3. A LOT more power on tap when on the open road - less time in the oncoming lane when overtaking
4. Engine running a lot cooler (cylinder head, coolant and EGT)
5. No issues (noise, rattle or squeak) from the EGR

The list goes on, but I'm not exerting the engine, riding the clutch, racing off at green lights or any of the things you can do with a normal map as well. I'd imagine I'm past the age where I want and need light to light drag power and performance.

My car's happier (smoother and quieter), I'm very happy with the drivability and in my book its an all round win.

Maybe its easier to damage the car if you want to do so, but I fail to see the point of the "opposers" in relation to the way I utilise the remapped car.

Cheers,

Lou

Will I give mine a fair big of wellie and I'm having pretty similar outcome to you, so hopefully that's a good sign!

I get a little smokd from mine under heavy load up long hills but in fairness to BAS, I did tell them I had an intercooler fitted and I haven't actually got round to fitting it yet (it's on 'the list').

FYI, I got my map emailed back to me within 24hrs.

[newhue]

And what did you ask for? :)

The query. Maybe I was being unrealistic. I often read hear how great it improves things but with little detail. So I was just putting it out there.

Hi,
I have a 2010 Defender 130. It's my work truck which constantly
carries 300kg to 600kg daily. We go 4x4 camping 2 to 3 times a month,
which is around 750kg full load. I live in Australia. I have a Mac
computer, but it does have fusion software for MS programs.

I'm interested in a remap, however I'm not not interested in
upgrading the exhaust, intercooler, or adding an EGT over time. I am
no racer.

My car still has warranty, I was told by the dealer they can see if
the ECU has been modified. Can you guarantee a remap can be changed
back to standard and be untraceable by Land Rover for servicing. If so
do I need more stuff or just my computer?

My requirements in a tune are:

1. engine longevity, I would like to see 400K+ out of it, maybe I'm
dreaming, but I service it as it's scheduled. I know you can't guarantee
this but you get the drift. Furthermore I am happy to take your advice on EGR
disablement, perhaps read what I require and make the call.
2. reasonable boost from 1000rpm
3. more economy and torque at 110klm. It seems to become quite
thirsty after 105klm, and cruising in 6th with a load sees me dropping
back to 5th on undulating hills when it probably shouldn't.
4. I currently run 31" standard tyres. I will be changing to 33". At
present I can control the revs in 2nd low from 1250 to 2000rpm up
steep terrain and maintain traction without spinning wheels and carry on.
I fear by upsizing to 33" tyre I will have to work in 1650 to 2500rpm
range, or the vehicle just becomes unresponsive with the larger tyres. I
would like the torque to work at the old revs if possible.
5. As little smoke as possible. It doesn't have to go like a shower
of ****, but a bit of get up and go would be nice.

The reply, from Bell. I appreciate his honesty. Alive never responded.

Hi

We can offer the remap that can be suited to a non other modifyed car no problem. what the tool reads out from the car is put back when returning it to original for dealer visits. Some remaining fault codes in the instrument pack could indicate to a dealer that the engine ecu has at some point lost communication with the engine ecu. (while programming this fault shows) but in some cases remains afterwards.

To clear 100% car faults in the instrument pack to guarantee no left over codes are present in this instance would need full car level diagnostic tools, like the BBS faultmate FCR or Nanocom etc etc.

I dont run a Mac but im told if bootcamp or similar is used running windows 32bit software the software works perfectly.

I personally think 248k miles is a little optimistic on the standard service schedule and to try for this i think it should be cut in half at lest for its oil changes.

power will start at the same point is already does arround 1800-2000 rpm but could be a little sooner depending on temperatures and load etc. to make it start hard at 1000 rpm is not possibile as the engine does not produce enough gas at this speed to spin the turbo fully.

Economy will remain around the same if driven correctly but as you have seen anything about 65-70mph will make the engine work harder and use more fuel. this is a characteristic of the car and the way its geared which wont change much.

Disabling the egr is possibile on most software versions with no problem and i would do this as a matter of course on all tuning along with the speed limiter removed.

Changing the tyres for a larger tyre will for sure create more lag lower down when driving the car and i personally advise you stick to the correct ratio tyres/gearing.

[isuzurover]

... Maybe I was being unrealistic. ...

Possibly.

Tuning companies can't tell you (other than guesses) what effect their tunes will have on engine life. Likely most won't even measure what effect their tunes have on oil quality and service intervals (again just guesses).

If the engine is well built, hopefully not much, but we are talking small, highly stressed diesels here - which have already gone through a lot of testing and optimisation.

The biggest difference is that the tuning companies don't need to comply with emissions laws, so by shutting off EGR, you automatically get an engine that is getting cleaner air and more of it, less buildup of crap in the engine, at the expense of NOx emissions now being noncompliant.

[Aaron]

You make a good point on oil quality/service intervals post re-map.

Where is Rick?

[newhue]

I'd assume motor companies spend a fair bit of coin on R&D, and the tune they sell is a compromise of economy, longevity, and response.
Just amazes me that anyone can produce a tune and people lap it up as if lots of R&D have been done, and statements like it goes lots better are a bit like HD and XHD in the suspension world. What does it exactly mean. Where does it go better.

I'm not begrudging people with a tune, but surely religious oil changes using high quality synthetic oil every 10K specified by the manufacturer should be enough for a modern diesel regardless of tune.

[Aaron]

I'd assume motor companies spend a fair bit of coin on R&D, and the tune they sell is a compromise of economy, longevity, and response.
Just amazes me that anyone can produce a tune and people lap it up as if lots of R&D have been done

If you have the time have a browse at Defender2. BAS has his R&D on there.

Why the change of heart? Is it because they weren't able to provide you with what you were after?

[Aaron]

Its time.

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[newhue]

If you have the time have a browse at Defender2. BAS has his R&D on there.

Why the change of heart? Is it because they weren't able to provide you with what you were after?

pretty much.
over time I have realised the car is still happily crawling up hills in low2 working the revs from 1600 to 2000 with 33's. I am enjoying the view and drive more at 90 to 95km/h these days. And to date I haven't had a situation I wanted or required more power. I don't care people hit the brakes behind me as I go for second, that's there problem. So over time I have realised for me there is no reason for a map beside ditching the EGR. This may well be the case however, as my dealer reckons they can't turn it off. Could be for emission obligations as well, but I'm not forking out for one of them every year.

[Loubrey]

So over time I have realised for me there is no reason for a map beside ditching the EGR. This may well be the case however, as my dealer reckons they can't turn it off. Could be for emission obligations as well, but I'm not forking out for one of them every year.

Corporate obligation and liability will never let a dealer interfere or remove an environmental or legislative feature of a car...

Decommissioned EGR's and de-cat pipes are major no-no's in Land Rover's official policy statements, purely on what they want to portray as a "responsible organisation".

The thing that confuses me though is that even with the decommissioned EGR and Decat pipes, they still pass the emission tests required for British MOT...?

Cheers,

Lou

[isuzurover]

...
The thing that confuses me though is that even with the decommissioned EGR and Decat pipes, they still pass the emission tests required for British MOT...?

Cheers,

Lou

MOT testers are not equipped to test to EURO test standards.
The MOT test is a "smoke" test under free acceleration (the pass value has not increased since 2008).

EGR reduces NOx. The MOT testers do not test for NOx, and even if they did, NOx levels would be low under "free" acceleration.

Test details are in table 3:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Emissions%2017th%20Edition.pdf

[Aaron]

A couple of days in to the tune and I really do love it.

The best way I can describe it is when you drive a Puma for the first time coming from a TD5. You get the "I wonder if I can wing it and stay in this gear" Thought process driving through traffic. You can! It is just smooth factory torque. You don't drive around thinking "This thing is re-tuned", Its just how it should be. Granted I did not ask for an all out power tune.

A couple of other things Ive noticed are - It starts a little bit easier. Cranks over twice then fires up, as apposed to three times.

It seems to stay on boost/revs longer after you take your foot of the accelerator in between gear changes greatly reducing drive line backlash clunks.

Hard to say with fuel economy yet. It hasn't moved off full :P Though I do drive like an old man so I suspect no change or an improvement.

EGR silence is bliss!

I really cant wait to take it through the mountains both off road and on road.

Edit - Smoke - I never really bothered to take notice of smoke in standard form so I suspect it was very little. If I really look for it I see a tiny bit. Still less then my MY12 Mazda Bt50.