Something has upset me

[wrinklearthur]

I am going quiet for a while.
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[loanrangie]

Okay then.

[spudboy]

quiet for a while, or for quite a while....?

[1976_michelle]

sorry, forgot my BO Basher :(

[Chops]

Should we ask?

[wrinklearthur]

Thanks for the concerned PM's people.

Here is a couple of links here to explain what is going on with me.

Ref; 14 Signs and Symptoms of Depression - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com (http://voices.yahoo.com/14-signs-symptoms-depression-2511123.html?cat=72)

Tips to Help Overcome Depression - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com (http://voices.yahoo.com/tips-help-overcome-depression-15247.html?cat=5)

I shouldn't be driving when I have one of these bouts and I was going up to Ouse today, to a LROCT working bee. I do hate letting people down, but I just need a quiet time to get over it and I should bounce back soon.

There has been quite a bit of stress for me this week, along with both my wife and my youngest son applying for new jobs. At this stage both of them look like they have been successful.

See! I am feeling a bit better already, just needed to get it off my chest.
And a big sorry to any forum members who are ever upset by my sometimes unintentionally weird comments.

I dropped using anti-depressants about a year ago, as they were playing havoc with my short term memory. I would rather not start using them again for that reason.
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[Grumbles]

The 'Black Dog" has an insidious bite. Do all you can to keep it at bay and use all your friends and relatives to help you. I wish you well and look forward to seeing you come out the other side fit and well. :D:D

[justinc]

Hey A,

the 'Doctor' is ordering rest and Landrover gazing, so after which you should be feeling immeasurably better:D

Anytime just TXT or call, you have my details:) Sometimes it is hard to get to the ph at work but afterhours no probs:)


JC

[Bundalene]

Hey mate :o upset anyone - on the contrary!

Guys like yourself run this Forum and keep it alive, imparting your wisdom far and wide. You'd be surprised what tips people, including myself, get from the likes of yourself.

Don't go too quite, we do enjoy your input immeasurably.

We are always around for a chat if you feel the need, as are heaps of other Forum members.



Erich

[29dinosaur]

Not sure where you are in life stage.. but at 50yo I took up walking at a good pace 5-6 days a week for an hour or so. I was suffering severe back pain and depression for years. Was on all sorts of nasty concoctions that just messed with my head.. Long and short if you can get to do some exercise it will help in many ways. Sometimes it gives you time to smell the roses. In addition the natural endorphins your body makes can ease the black dog away from your heels. (From walking I then went to cycling - road and mountain bike, and that has been a life saver in more ways than one. Mix that with 4wding and you're on a winner....)

So if you can - get away from everything today and take a long walk somewhere nice...

[rijidij]

You're not alone mate.

I find a great treatment is staring into the 'bush TV' (camp fire) if you can manage to get away to the bush for a night or two. It might only be a temporary relief, but it sure helps.

Cheers, Murray

[shorty943]

Like many, been there done that, as they say.
Mine was Military spec depression too got right nasty sometimes.

I agree with dinosaur, get out and just walk, smell the roses, chat with the birds and trees.
The worst thing you can do is bottle it all up, talk to us, talk to family, what ever you do, DON'T talk to the bottom of a Rum bottle, they are idiots, got no ideas that will help.
(He says with some experience in this particular field)
Stay off those little pills, doctor put me on them things, first thing I did was start getting into fights, not a good idea at all.

There is a natural "rescue remedy" for the worst of times, if you can find it. Called Cherry Plum oil, a couple of drops in a glass of water, a few minutes later the world is a good place and you will be grinning like a Cheshire cat. I've used it but, not needed it for many years now.
And remember the words of the wise Monty Python song, "always look on the bright side of life".

[Land Rover Widow]

Hope you're fairing alright. It's admirable that you spoke out rather than just slipping away. Give it some time and like others have said, keep talking about it. If you ever feel like chatting feel free to PM me :)

[Chucaro]

Arthur, we are here for you.
If you like to go for a bush walking , take some photos some were just let me know, send me a PM. I have a spare camera if you do not have one.
Get well mate

[33chinacars]

Sorry to hear that the Black Dog has bitten you again. I've been on tablets for the last 3 years. All good now. So instead of note taking anything maybe a change of medication may be in order. Ones with less side affects. Hope things work out for you

Gary

[1976_michelle]

Do what you need to but I would be wary of bypassing the activities and groups that you generally enjoy (clubs, forum, whatever). Even if you're not at your best being around those kinds of things will assist in lifting the load a little and cutting off that source of enjoyment/alternate activity and isolating yourself may make it feel worse.
However I guess you know yourself best.
On another note; my own personal choice would be for short term memory loss versus battling the clouds of depression unaided where aid is required (hey I already cut laps around the house trying to remember what it was I was looking for, or why I went in to a room lol)

[SimonM]

G'day Arthur,

Just like JC said, you have my number as well if you need it. I know a couple of people off this forum who are struggling a bit down here in Tassie, so probably a good reason to arrange a get together in the middle somewhere ;).

Someone asked me the other day among a group of parents - "What brought you to Tassie" - "Depression" I said. Got quite a laugh, but it was actually true :).

I went through a very rough time, and is the reason I took 6 months off work, chewed up all our savings and now live in this beautiful place. I wouldn't change anything. As a family I don't think we have been happier, you might want to check in with Sarah about that though;). We are pretty broke but I don't care about that anymore.

One of the things that helped me was that I had a very supportive family. The good thing about this site is that it can also be a very supportive 'family'.

Oh and you missed a good BBQ today by the way :p.

If you are ever travelling through this way feel free to drop in. Otherwise I will catch you at the next get together.

[landiematt]

Good luck working through it mate.
I am sure all our thoughts are with you.
Do what's best for you and your loved ones.
LandieMatt

[newhue]

nothing wrong with a bit of caving. Take care and see you on the other side.

[123rover50]

Hang in there mate. Lots of good people on this forum and we are all wishing you well.
If you want to escape the cold for a bit there is room up here:D

Keith

[superquag]

canem nigrum and I are well aquainted... the bugger even sleeps on our bed at night (so does our black retriever...)

Dunno what will work for you, but my cure has been,exercise, diet-change and heaps and spices such as tumeric and cumin seed.

All these are part of my 'natural' treatment of my Type II Diabetes(previously called 'Senile diabetes' , then 'Mature-onset', and now more correctly 'Metabolic syndrome'.)

Bonus is... the tumeric is supposed to have anti-depressive qualities, and with the amount I'm scoffing... it DOES. Better than either of the medical anti-depressents I've been on, safer, tastier (?) and cheaper.
-Did I mention that it works ?

Diet - wise , simple recipe is protein, good fats, and nuts but NO carbs/sugar or sweeteners. Lost a heap of weight/FAT, feeeel physically better, mentally sharper and emotionally better balanced. Still sometimes notice the black bugger, but lots easier to shoo away.

And the gym membership... great for setting and accomplishing 'personal bests'. Good mental/emotional satisfaction, which helps all round. Plus-side is the support from some of the folk there... great to chat to !

Bonus is... blood pressure is now near-normal (without my prescribed pills...) and the diabetes is much better "controlled". - Have'nt been tested recently since I went "organic" but...

But still no cure for the Wife's black dog that sneaks up onto our bed in the early hours...:o
Grumpy (but a bit fitter) James in Gosnells.

[Allan]

As someone who has spent many years working in this very debilitating illness, my only suggestion is to seek the best professional help possible. It is a non easy cure illness and truly takes a lot of guts to beat, but with the correct care and medication, changes to your outlook and enjoyment of life are within sight. Dismissing treatment or medications, although they seem pointless at this time is not the best formula to follow in such an underestimated and tragic disorder. Please seek professional help in this matter, 12 months in pharmaceutical treatment for depression is a life time these days and many people who once thought life was pointless live it to the fullest.

All the best, Allan

[Flipper]

Hi Arthur mate.

Every person goes through times of depression, and so do our pet animals at times.
Doctors will jump in to sell you antidepressants (which do long term damage to the kidneys and liver) and it is common under these circumstances to feel alone as if it is only happening to you.

A lot of good replies and great info have been posted to you already and if I can add anything,,, please take at least 1 zinc tablet each day.
You are what you eat as the old saying goes,, and the diet coke, artificial sweeteners and processed foods is going to mess you up over time.

Also look into the water you drink because fluoride and chlorine added to our water is very toxic to the body and causes brain instabilities. Tons of scientific studies on this.....

If you are battling through things from when younger, a good book to read is from Louise Hay "you can heal your life". This book will also sort out your current day issues even dealing with family problems.

The bottom line mate, its upto you to find your individual answer.
This is something every single human being has had to or will soon deal with. Some people have no fire in there heart and just give up on life. But people like you have a fire burning deep down because of the fact you expressed your feelings, and I see you are a great person anyways from previous posts.

You will make it mate and be happy and content if you will see things in a different light.
As someone like me who has lost his mum father brothers and sister, I do have a wonderful wife and 3 beautiful daughters with a fight to see life through, and what more could a bloke ever ask for on this little planet spinning through space?


Best Regards Phil...

[wrinklearthur]

Hi all, I'm feeling a bit more chirpy each time there is ebb and flow.

I wanted to pass this reply to a PM I received to all of you as this subject is too important to ignore.
Living with depression without seeking support, is like driving a car without brakes and not wearing your seat belt at the same time.

So often the victim is unaware that there is a problem, the awful part is they start to think that they don't want to be a burden to the ones that they have loved, so know the warning signs and watch out for those that are close to you.

The variety of treatments is as varied as personalities, not all treatment suit everyone, but thankyou to the people that have suggested ways to treat depression as while it may not suit some, there will be others that another style of treatment fits perfectly.

Cheers Arthur


Hi -------.

Thanks for contacting me and sharing your story with me.
Well! Didn't that grey cloud come on me quick this time, both my wife ( she's a Registered nurse ) and I missed the warning signs this time around.

Best thing I have done is to bring my problem into the open, I am doing a lot better today as now my ugly black dog is changing back into a friendly black and white Boarder Collie, a lot of this is due to the support I have received.
I will say I am surprised by the amount of AULRO members that have the same problem and other's, that have contacted me over the last couple of days.

Thanks again for your support.

Arthur

PS. I might rehash this reply for the thread.

[Modelsp]

Aurthur
I feel your pain as I too had to retire at 58 because of it,i've tried the no Meds method and it didn't work for me,but I get a lot of exercise running back and forth for things I forget,particularly when working on the Disco.
The strange thing for me is that I get most relaxation from just taking the dogs for a long walk around the lake foreshore here at Primbee.and yes one of the dogs is black her husband is brown so it's a trade off there.
The thing I was also told Arthur is don't ever bottle it up,tell Me, tell anyone that will listen and understand and you will find 99% will leave you feeling a bit better
but most of all keep your chin up,or go drive up to Pedro the Swifts place because by the time you get there he will need help with his Disco as it's about to do something horrible to him,i can feel it.:D;)
take care and
Cheers
Paul

[Avion8]

Arther,

This statement of yours has me concerned:

"Living with depression without seeking support, is like driving a car without brakes and not wearing your seat belt at the same time."

Driving my Series 1's is pretty much as you have described above. I thought it was normal? Take care.

Cheers Nigel

[wrinklearthur]

Arther,

This statement of yours has me concerned:

"Living with depression without seeking support, is like driving a car without brakes and not wearing your seat belt at the same time."

Driving my Series 1's is pretty much as you have described above. I thought it was normal? Take care.

Cheers Nigel

Hi Nigel

Sums it up in a way, it's all fun then you find the hurt.

[Allan]

Take care Arthur, the high can precede a very low low. Please seek a skilled M.H. worker, you say your wife is a R.N. listen to her advice, she will be trained in this illness.

Be well, Allan

[sdt463]

Its all been said Arthur and some very good advise to.
so just look after yourself mate.
Ps the grey fergie is runing great thanks to your advise on adjusting the carby.
Dave

[superquag]

... For all the mates of a Miserable One... never be afraid to say something innocuous & nice, as you may never know just how much a simple compliment may mean...
- Friend saw that I was a bit fragile recently... and (obviously desperate for a suitable thing to say...) blurted out that 'red (jumper) suited me'.

I'm still uplifted by her kindness.

James.

[wrinklearthur]

... For all the mates of a Miserable One... never be afraid to say something innocuous & nice, as you may never know just how much a simple compliment may mean...
- Friend saw that I was a bit fragile recently... and (obviously desperate for a suitable thing to say...) blurted out that 'red (jumper) suited me'.
I'm still uplifted by her kindness. James.

Red rag fun and contrary thoughts.

Ref; http://judgmental-elephant.tumblr.com/

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=60979&stc=1&d=1369618716

[wrinklearthur]

Sorry to hear that the Black Dog has bitten you again.

I blame the black dog for all my problems.

Black Dog http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=60980&stc=1&d=1369619970

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[Avion8]

Red rag fun and contrary thoughts.

Ref; Depression meme: Judgmental Elephant (http://judgmental-elephant.tumblr.com/)

Good advice in here - I particularly liked "Get a Corgi", in fact I would say any dog as long as its not black. Our little white (some of the time) Bichon, Maltese/****zu is a constant source of enjoyment & great company. Sadly he hates traveling in the old Land Rovers, but he always cheers me up.

Cheers Nigel

[Davo]

Dear me, Arthur, I was worried we'd be without your unique sense of humour for a while. And for me your description of how electricity can be generated by a combination of cement floors, steel posts, and cow pee, (have I even remembered that correctly?), has never been topped by anything else on the Internet so far!

[Sitec]

Stick with it Arthur, my Dad has it, and I have had signs of it for a few years now. Those days when you get up and feel so over it that you want to sell everything, inc the house, wife etc are the worst. The friends, social life and misses are the bits that are needed, especially this forum. Being able to immerse your thoughts somewhere else (assisting fixing problems on here etc) help me no end. So ironically does my big black boof head Chappy my black Lab cross!! Pick someone close to you who is happy to be told you are in that place, and learn to tell them when you feel yourself going there. My wife is mine and she knows when to leave me alone, and or to help pick me up and take me somewhere else. Shout if you need as we've all said b4. Take care!

[superquag]

Dear me, Arthur, I was worried we'd be without your unique sense of humour for a while. And for me your description of how electricity can be generated by a combination of cement floors, steel posts, and cow pee, (have I even remembered that correctly?), has never been topped by anything else on the Internet so far!

Where?

:p

[wrinklearthur]

" Originally Posted by Davo
Dear me, Arthur, I was worried we'd be without your unique sense of humour for a while. And for me your description of how electricity can be generated by a combination of cement floors, steel posts, and cow pee, (have I even remembered that correctly?), has never been topped by anything else on the Internet so far! '\"
Where?

:p

It all happened in the milking shed. :D

.

[Davo]

That's right, James, it wasn't in the house or anything. :p

I can't remember . . . it was a discussion here . . . that went off topic . . . which never happens, of course . . .

I'll try and find it if you want?

[wrinklearthur]

As I indicated in this thread, there is a lot more out battling the blues than I ever realised. we should be putting forward a plan or things that help, to those who like to keep a low profile.

An earth shaking event is measured with the Richter Scale, So while shutting the chooks up tonight, I was looking at our rooster strutting about. I told him "just look at you", fine feathers make fine birds, so when his tail feathers has been made into a feather duster the rooster would look very down on his luck.

Where am I going with this? I am going to try liven up the discussion with the suggestion that the Blues have a scale to be measured by, could be fun what do you think?

Blues events can not be measured with the Richter Scale as that is for the earth shaking events, so how about the Roosters Tail Scale for the mind blowing events, on a setting from 0 feathers to 10 feathers ?

0 is as low as you can go and 10 is strutting about feeling pretty special, where are you at the moment?

I am feeling a lot better so I'm about seven feathers at the present.
.

[sheerluck]

........I am feeling a lot better so I'm about seven feathers at the present.
.

Good to hear Arthur. Be happy to hear when you're up to the full 10.

Me, I'm up to eight and a half. I did a half day at work this morning, and felt pretty wiped out this afternoon, but just glad that the light at the end of the tunnel is close :D

[Jacko44]

Exercise, meditation and talking. Don't be afraid to go talk to a mental health pro, these people know their stuff and it can really make a huge difference.

Find the little things that make you happy and latch on to them, the clouds will lift!

[wrinklearthur]

Exercise, meditation and talking. Don't be afraid to go talk to a mental health pro, these people know their stuff and it can really make a huge difference.
Find the little things that make you happy and latch on to them, the clouds will lift!

Thanks Jacko

I ticked off most of that list this afternoon, spent four hours rubbing back some more of 'Fred's' bonnet, so that was the exercise and meditation out of the way, but talking to myself might a negative.

Still about a seven on the Rooster Tail Scale though.


Roosters Tail Scale

As I indicated in this thread, there is a lot more out battling the blues than I ever realised. we should be putting forward a plan or things that help, to those who like to keep a low profile.

An earth shaking event is measured with the Richter Scale, So while shutting the chooks up tonight, I was looking at our rooster strutting about. I told him "just look at you", fine feathers make fine birds, so when his tail feathers has been made into a feather duster the rooster would look very down on his luck.

Where am I going with this? I am going to try liven up the discussion with the suggestion that the Blues have a scale to be measured by, could be fun what do you think?

Blues events can not be measured with the Richter Scale as that is for the earth shaking events, so how about the Roosters Tail Scale for the mind blowing events, on a setting from 0 feathers to 10 feathers ?

0 is as low as you can go and 10 is strutting about feeling pretty special, where are you at the moment?

I am feeling a lot better so I'm about seven feathers at the present.
.

[DiscoMick]

Yep, from family experience I can say there is some good advice there. I'd say:
1. Get the medical side sorted out, particularly chemical imbalances. For example, adrenal gland lack of production may be assisted by Vitamin B injections.
2. You're NOT alone. Talk with people you trust. This is very important.
3. Walking, swimming and other gentle exercise stimulates the body's natural systems and promotes a feeling of wellbeing.
4. Photographs and other positive memories can banish the 'black dog'.
5. Look out, not in. And laugh a lot.
Al the best.

[Davo]

I'd say about eight feathers or so.

I was wondering if this thread has anything to do with winter coming along? That always used to get me. All I want to do in cold weather is sit next to a wood stove all day. The deal with the wife is that if we do move back down south then I don't have to get out of bed all winter. I'm sure this is reasonable!

[klonk]

Good to see you've diagnosed the problem . Just like a landy carb afew tweeks and adjustments will have it running fine again.

Past family experiences here too, and lucky I have learnt to look after myself without the pills by using some of the suggestions provided on here. Its a personal journey as said and you have to learn how to manage it for you.

Cheers Steve

[Flipper]

Good to hear Arthur. Be happy to hear when you're up to the full 10.

Me, I'm up to eight and a half. I did a half day at work this morning, and felt pretty wiped out this afternoon, but just glad that the light at the end of the tunnel is close :D

I lost all feathers today trying to teach a daughter to drive mums car on her new L plates.
She has funky coordination with gear changes and somehow thinks stopping means ploughing down someone's mail box when I said pull over to the side of the road.
Gawd help me.
Someone please post a feather or 2 to a troubled and terrified dad so his ratings don't look so bad. Thanks... :eek:

[superquag]

Awarded myself several feathers.... had to tow home Wife stranded in non-starting Magna... - with our family's least reliable car... My Classic.
Lost several when mis-diagnosed stuffed starter-motor ($250) - BUT... got a few back by not being the least bit worried about it. :eek:

Best of all, #1 & 3 sons shooed me away and did the R/R themselves.. and without arguments. Bonus.

I like the Feather-Gauge, - Thanks !:p:p:p

(PS, think its the start-inhibitor switch... they reckon "a relay"... - who's worried? )

[SimonM]

Yep, from family experience I can say there is some good advice there. I'd say:
1. Get the medical side sorted out, particularly chemical imbalances. For example, adrenal gland lack of production may be assisted by Vitamin B injections.
2. You're NOT alone. Talk with people you trust. This is very important.
3. Walking, swimming and other gentle exercise stimulates the body's natural systems and promotes a feeling of wellbeing.
4. Photographs and other positive memories can banish the 'black dog'.
5. Look out, not in. And laugh a lot.
Al the best.

Hey DM,

Some good advice there. However I am going to disagree with number 1. Hope thats ok :p

For more severe forms of clinical depression chemical imbalance may be the primary reason , and anti-depressant medication may help. When I worked in a private psychiatric hospital around 8 years ago, the more severe cases were treated with electro-convulsive therapy :eek:. I am pretty sure it still exists as a treatment but haven't worked in a hospital setting for quite some time.

For a significant number of people experiencing depression anti-depressant medication can be no better than a placebo. Unfortunately I have found that the theory of depression as a chemical imbalance and a disease has actually disempowered a small number of people, as they think well it is a disease of the mind and so there is nothing i can do apart from take these meds. Even Beyond Blue has veered away from the chemical imbalance theory as the primary factor What causes depression (http://www.beyondblue.org.au/the-facts/depression/what-causes-depression).

Basically treatment comes down to whatever works getting you back to living the life you want to lead. We are all different. For some people this is seeking the assistance of a professional, and others it is about changing their life circumstances and how they do things, and others it is learning how to 'manage' your mind, or all of the above.

Beyond Blue is a good general resource and a good first point of call.

There is also mood gym (https://moodgym.anu.edu.au/welcome), which I have only just discovered and have not gone through the whole program, but will have a more detailed look today. I am not a big CBT guy, which this is based on but everyone is different :).

In Tassie there is the RAW (http://www.rawtas.com.au/) program for rural areas , which you utilise if you are worried about someone and they will call around and see them.

By the way yesterday I was 9 feathers yesterday morning and then down to 6 and then back up to 9.

[olbod]

Buy a Pith helmet and wear it when you go out to the letter box !!!

No feathers, no flies.

[wrinklearthur]

I woke up early this morning with my wife getting ready to go to her present place of work, she has been rewarded for all the hard work and worry we put into her job application, she starts at her new work as a Registered Nurse in about a month.

And my Son has accepted a professional position as a teaching Golf coach at the Royal Adelaide Golf Club.

So it's seven plus feathers today for me.

__________________________________________________ _____________________________

I want to make a list from ten down to 0 with a summary of the degree of problem or achievement at each level.

for instance;

10. --- A perfect specimen that has no worries at all, has polished shoes at the back door, writes motoring articles for overseas' Land Rover magazines. :wasntme:

09. --- Most people, as they have some anxiety in their daily life.

08. ---

07. --- Not debilitated, but still worries unnecessarily about small problems.

06. ---

05. --- Doesn't want to face the world, needs professional help.

04. ---

03. ---

02. ---

01. ---

0. --- totally incapacitated and needs total care.

__________________________________________________ _____________________________________

Cut and past this list into your reply and move the descriptions up or down and add your version of the descriptions as you see fit.

.

[Landy Smurf]

I just went to the last page and was totally confused about the feathers thing, go back ah it all makes sense.
I like the idea.
I would have to say i sit on 6 feathers atm. I was sitting on probably a 1 or 2 for a while but crawling my way up.
Good to see things are getting better for you Arthur

[wrinklearthur]

I just went to the last page and was totally confused about the feathers thing, go back ah it all makes sense.
I like the idea.
I would have to say i sit on 6 feathers atm. I was sitting on probably a 1 or 2 for a while but crawling my way up.
Good to see things are getting better for you Arthur

Hi Tony

Glad you liked it and thanks for passing those regards on from me to our friend,
he sent a nice message of support back through to me.

The keep the fun going, I need to fill in the gaps of the list, can you add anything ?
.

[Davo]

I lost all feathers today trying to teach a daughter to drive mums car on her new L plates.
She has funky coordination with gear changes and somehow thinks stopping means ploughing down someone's mail box when I said pull over to the side of the road.
Gawd help me.
Someone please post a feather or 2 to a troubled and terrified dad so his ratings don't look so bad. Thanks... :eek:

A slight hijack here, but don't teach your kids to drive. Honestly, if it's at all difficult, don't do it. I've just finished three years of teaching driving, and a lot of it was undoing the damage dads did before I got to them. Mind you, it's easy being patient when you have your own set of pedals handy. But seriously, keep your feathers and send her to a school.

[wrinklearthur]

A slight hijack here, but don't teach your kids to drive. Honestly, if it's at all difficult, don't do it. I've just finished three years of teaching driving, and a lot of it was undoing the damage dads did before I got to them. Mind you, it's easy being patient when you have your own set of pedals handy. But seriously, keep your feathers and send her to a school.

It isn't a hijack, as it's all part of the topic, being of stress, anxiety and fear. :eek:

My eldest who is a double masters Uni grad, has only just a year ago, earnt his 'L's' to ride a motorbike at the age of 33. :clap2:

The full gambit of emotions, went into the training he received and I do agree that the cheap ( ??? ) option of trying to teach your offspring to drive, is very much the wrong way to go.
.

[wrinklearthur]

I woke up early this morning with my wife getting ready to go to her present place of work, she has been rewarded for all the hard work and worry we put into her job application, she starts at her new work as a Registered Nurse in about a month.

And my Son has accepted a position as a teaching Golf Professional at the Royal Adelaide Golf Club.


Slap across the wrist for calling my son's title wrong. :( ---- 6 1/2 feathers.
.

He is busy looking for accommodation near the Golf coarse starting in July, does anyone know what prices he would expect to pay?
.

[superquag]

10. --- A perfect specimen that has no worries at all, has polished shoes at the back door, writes motoring articles for overseas' Land Rover magazines.

09. --- Most people, as they have some anxiety in their daily life.

08. ---

07. --- Not debilitated, but still worries unnecessarily about small problems.

06. ---Performs at less than usual. - Obvious to most. Still rational and able to self-help effectively. Needs to talk things out. Easily falls into obsessing.

05. ---.Intolerant and grumpy in cheerful company. Unwilling to admit the obvious...that All is Not Right. Won't mix, but will stay if pushed and supported. Needs skillful probing to make them open up a bit

04. Moody and reluctant, when in cheeful company. Fragile but 85% functional. Prone to slip away when pushed into the above enviroment. Vulnerable and emotionally reach-able by understanding amateurs, close friends and family, who might start worrying...

03. ---Anti-social, keeps all at arms length. Worries all friends & family. - So they should be....

02. --- Doesn't want to face the world, needs professional help as I reckon he/she still has enough mojo to do themselves in...

01. ---Unable to face the world and only just functions at 50%... needs professional help, Beyond suicidal.

0. --- totally incapacitated and needs total care.


- My first reactions.... - Going on the above, I was around a 4 last weekend...

[wrinklearthur]

Thanks Superquag, that's a really good effort and the list is looking now to be a good yardstick to measure this hidden menace by.

It's going to be a lot easer to pass on how you are feeling to someone that doesn't really under stand where you are at with your emotions, by using that scale.

I need someone else to pop up now and fill in the number eight position, or a least make some suggestions on how or if any improvements can be made.
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[sheerluck]

08. Nagging feeling that all is not rosy in the garden, but still easily able to hide all anxieties even from those close to you.

[wrinklearthur]

10. --- A perfect specimen that has no worries at all, has polished shoes at the back door, writes motoring articles for overseas' magazines.

09. --- Most people, as they have some anxiety in their daily life.

08. --- Reasonably happy, but still worries unnecessarily about small problems.

07. --- Not debilitated, but still easily able to hide all anxieties even from those close to you. Other around you have a nagging feeling that all is not rosy in the garden.

06. --- Performs at less than usual. - Obvious to most. Still rational and able to self-help effectively. Needs to talk things out. Easily falls into obsessing.

05. --- Intolerant and grumpy in cheerful company. Unwilling to admit the obvious...that All is Not Right. Won't mix, but will stay if pushed and supported. Needs skillful probing to make them open up a bit

04.--- Moody and reluctant, when in cheerful company. Fragile but 85% functional. Prone to slip away when pushed into the above environment. Vulnerable and emotionally reach-able by understanding amateurs, close friends and family, who might start worrying...

03. --- Anti-social, keeps all at arms length. Worries all friends & family. - So they should be....

02. --- Doesn't want to face the world, needs professional help as I reckon he/she still has enough mojo to do themselves in...

01. ---Unable to face the world and only just functions at 50%... needs professional help, Beyond suicidal.

0. --- totally incapacitated and needs total care.

[Landy Smurf]

I love the sounds of number 10 :D

[wrinklearthur]

I think we have pushing the right button with our Rooster Scale of mental health, simply put is that this scale is the reverse of the assessments used by Health Professionals, in their questionnaires the higher the patients number score is, closer they are to finishing themselves, definitely is not what you need from a top score.

Our scale is the aim of one trying to get back to ten feathers, with the built in humour on the way making it a lot easier to accept.

Well done so far people! Maybe we can tidy up some of the descriptions, but you can see the intent now.

Now any girls out there that need a hand but don't want to be fully feathered Roosters, here's the chance to rehash this list for yourselves, call it whatever --- Henny Pennies ??
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[DiscoMick]

Yep, the list is excellent. Well done all!

[NavyDiver]

I am going quiet for a while.
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I love quiet. Sitting on top of a mountain range with snow around and clouds below me. Reflection time is great. ( I have 3 kids and work) or in a prior life hundreds or thousands of miles out at sea watching millions of stars or amazing storms showing how really tiny I really am.

Getting help from mates or professionals is equally as good. I think of getting bogged window deep at night. A mate or three would have made the extraction much easier or at least laugh at my predicament while I self extracted. Professionals would help with out laughing to much. I may be off target and if so apologies.

[Flipper]

A slight hijack here, but don't teach your kids to drive. Honestly, if it's at all difficult, don't do it. I've just finished three years of teaching driving, and a lot of it was undoing the damage dads did before I got to them. Mind you, it's easy being patient when you have your own set of pedals handy. But seriously, keep your feathers and send her to a school.

I have to agree with you mate.
With our other kids I just taught the basics and left the rest for driver trainers.

However the youngest says/believes the Defender is hers soon to drive, "so in this end of the world situation", I have been determined to teach her proper gear changes with her mums car first. Lol
To be honest I think I have been far to strict with how the gears and clutch should be used with very little attention to teaching some road skills. I have also been told I get a little angry in my voice if she doesn't match the gears correctly, looks like I should take advice and hand this job over.

Its a funny thing though, because at 9 years old I could drive a 3 on the tree and back a boat trailer down a ramp no problems at all.
At 14 I was driving trucks and tractors on a farm 7 days a week.

But kids these days can drive a computer and the TV remote, where I will crash them every second day. Hmmmm, even trash my email box at times. :mad:

[Davo]

I have to agree with you mate.
With our other kids I just taught the basics and left the rest for driver trainers.

However the youngest says/believes the Defender is hers soon to drive, "so in this end of the world situation", I have been determined to teach her proper gear changes with her mums car first. Lol
To be honest I think I have been far to strict with how the gears and clutch should be used with very little attention to teaching some road skills. I have also been told I get a little angry in my voice if she doesn't match the gears correctly, looks like I should take advice and hand this job over.

Its a funny thing though, because at 9 years old I could drive a 3 on the tree and back a boat trailer down a ramp no problems at all.
At 14 I was driving trucks and tractors on a farm 7 days a week.

But kids these days can drive a computer and the TV remote, where I will crash them every second day. Hmmmm, even trash my email box at times. :mad:

Ah, there's a Defender involved, and anyway if you were a farm kid then you would have started young - this makes all the difference. I was lucky teaching here because most of my students were aboriginal and almost all of them started driving out in the bush when they were kids. They could all handle a car with ease and so I had to concentrate on removing the bad habits Dad taught them and we'd also work on town driving. They usually passed the test after an average of about five or ten lesssons.

Most of the non-aboriginal people, (and a handful of aboriginal people who couldn't drive), who started with me had to learn from scratch, and as you've seen it takes many, many hours of practise. And they also had a bizarre range of outmoded ideas from when their parents learned to drive, apparently in the 1920s. Some of them gave up because it was too hard!

And I have to say that I was a bad driver for over two decades until I started teaching it, because I finally learned all the things I wasn't taught in the first place. I still can't teach the wife, though.

It sounds like you got some feathers back! :D

[Chucaro]

Sorry, wrong thread

[sheerluck]

Arthur,

Can we change one of them?

0) Ron and Pedro have visited and pulled out all your feathers for dodging the swear filter :D

[d2dave]

Hey mate :o upset anyone - on the contrary!

Guys like yourself run this Forum and keep it alive, imparting your wisdom far and wide. You'd be surprised what tips people, including myself, get from the likes of yourself.

Don't go too quite, we do enjoy your input immeasurably.

We are always around for a chat if you feel the need, as are heaps of other Forum members.

Erich

Could not agree more on the above.

Aurther. As others have said seek professional help. My thoughts are with you as you fight this.

[SimonM]

Hi Arthur thought you might like this

[wrinklearthur]

I let the chooks out earlier, that cartoon has reminded me that I must shut them up again.

The Rooster does have a habit of crowing outside the bedroom window in the wee minuscule hour of the predawn, the roosters exit is then followed by a size twelve Blundstone.

I don't want to start from zero sticking the feathers back into the Rooster's tail.
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[sheerluck]

.........The Rooster does have a habit of crowing outside the bedroom window in the wee minuscule hour of the predawn, the roosters exit is then followed by a size twelve Blundstone.

I don't want to start from zero sticking the feathers back into the Rooster's tail.
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:Rolling::Rolling:

Yes, I can imagine that loosen a few feathers. I would love to do the size twelve Blundstone thing with next door's rooster when it starts up at bout 3am, but a)my feet are far smaller than size twelve and b) I can't throw the 75 or so metres to their chook house.
:D

[Chucaro]

Give me a rooster any time before the call of a desperate male peacock !!
Bugger that they are loud!

[wrinklearthur]

:Rolling::Rolling:

Yes, I can imagine that loosen a few feathers. I would love to do the size twelve Blundstone thing with next door's rooster when it starts up at bout 3am, but a)my feet are far smaller than size twelve and b) I can't throw the 75 or so metres to their chook house.
:D

Practice practice and practice.

Ref; Vector of a Cartoon Man Throwing a Shoe - Coloring Page Outline by Ron Leishman - #23245 (http://vecto.rs/design/vector-of-a-cartoon-man-throwing-a-shoe-coloring-page-outline-by-ron-leishman-23245)

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=61319&stc=1&d=1370246777

As you all know practice makes perfect, the prize is a well earned feather.

A couple of nights ago, I watched the latest 'James Bond' movie 'Skyfall' with its noisy bird, that made me think, how about recording the racket that Rooster makes and immediately after, play it back 20 dB higher in volume?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/1383.jpg

That would draw the neighbourhoods attention to the fact that you have a problem and I'm sure your neighbour's would be very helpful in your quest to quieten that rowdy Rooster.

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[wrinklearthur]

Ref; "http://www.slideshare.net/Lloydy1/four-squares-intelligence-test"

Most of the times, our mind gets conditioned so much by the circumstances that - we can not see the obvious.
When we go to a specialist doctor with a simple headache, diagnosis starts from migraine, upwards!
We assume that things are so complicated and we get entrapped in the ghost of it’s thoughts
We carry on the same syndrome to our relationships and make them complicated.
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[korg20000bc]

If you want we could get together and play some Dungeons and Dragons.

I suppose that there is nothing that braces one more thoroughly than the forces of darkness stubbing their toe.

We can make that happen if you're fighter goes up against a black dragon with a +5 Vorpal sword.

Don't knock till you try it.

[Chucaro]

Arthur, I will ask my 5 years old grandson for help on that one :D

[SimonM]

Here is another good resource for us blokes only, sorry ladies.

Man Therapy (http://www.mantherapy.org.au/home.html)

Maybe we need a sticky for some depression/anxiety resources.

[SimonM]

If you want we could get together and play some Dungeons and Dragons.


We can make that happen if you're fighter goes up against a black dragon with a +5 Vorpal sword.

Don't knock till you try it.

Korg I am pretty sure D&D is the cause of depression :D. Just joking. I didn't think people still played it until a client of mine spoke about it the other month. It is alive and well in Tassie.

[wrinklearthur]

If you want we could get together and play some Dungeons and Dragons.
We can make that happen if you're fighter goes up against a black dragon with a +5 Vorpal sword.
Don't knock till you try it.

I used to have a Dragon for a maths teacher. :o

The only Dungeons I know, are under the Parliament buildings in Hobart. :)

"The Vorpal Blade is a very useful artifact weapon. It is a neutral long sword, and has a 5% chance of instantaneously killing monsters by beheading. It is shunned by some players because it only does +1 damage and d5 to-hit, but others find the insta-kill to be quite useful. The beheading only works on monsters with heads."

Now I really needed to know that. ;)

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[korg20000bc]

I used to have a Dragon for a maths teacher. :o

The only Dungeons I know, are under the Parliament buildings in Hobart. :)

"The Vorpal Blade is a very useful artifact weapon. It is a neutral long sword, and has a 5% chance of instantaneously killing monsters by beheading. It is shunned by some players because it only does +1 damage and d5 to-hit, but others find the insta-kill to be quite useful. The beheading only works on monsters with heads."

Now I really needed to know that. ;)

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It's taken from Louis Carol's Jabberwoky.

one, two, one two through and through
The vorpal sword went snicker-snack
He left him dead
And with his head
He came gullumphing back

Or something like that...

[korg20000bc]

Korg I am pretty sure D&D is the cause of depression :D. Just joking. I didn't think people still played it until a client of mine spoke about it the other month. It is alive and well in Tassie.

I used to play it a lot as a kid in Sydney. The depression was caused when I got home from school one day and mum had chucked most of it in the bin. Spending too much time in my room apparently. She didn't tell me straight out. I spent the next few months trying to find where I had left the books.

Anyway, it was hard to be depressed when you had Morgan Ironwolf and her Nipples of Armour Penetration for company:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/1287.jpg

[SimonM]

Yes I would imagine Morgan Ironwolf would be a good companion for any teenage boy :D

[wrinklearthur]

Ref; https://www.facebook.com/beyondblue?hc_location=stream


beyondblue 13 August

If every Australian man with anxiety bought a ticket to the Opening Ceremony of the 2000 Olympics, they’d have had to build a stadium eight times as big just to fit them all in. For more facts and resources on men’s health, head to Man Therapy (http://www.mantherapy.org.au)

I'm Nine feathers today folks.
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[JamesB71]

I'm not alone then.... I've had GDA my whole adult life. I finally had a nervous breakdown two years ago which drove me to a shrink and he strongly suggested one if those SsRI drugs. The second day I was on lexapro was the first day of my adult life without a panic attack. It changed my life.

[sheerluck]

Ref; https://www.facebook.com/beyondblue?hc_location=stream



I'm Nine feathers today folks.
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Woohoo! Good to hear Arthur! Keep looking for that last feather.

[clubagreenie]

Good to hear Arthur.

I'm running about 4 lately and in a holding pattern.

[JamesB71]

Explain feathers?

[clubagreenie]

It's back a page or 2 but basically the more feathers, the better you are.

A 10 means you have a garage that spans over the horizon filled with two of every model of Rover ever built, basically a LR Ark.

[wrinklearthur]

Good to hear Arthur.
I'm running about 4 lately and in a holding pattern.

To realise and then to talk about that Black Dog, the one that was following me around, has helped me heaps and that Black Dog for me has now changed into a frisky black and white boarder collie puppy.

I think you have earned yourself an extra feather just by having your say. :clap2:
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[clubagreenie]

Forgot about the feather rating today with the Psych. Described the last few days as a yoyo, with today (since this morning) the yo on the way back up the string.