The cost of a vote

[Chucaro]

The major parties are seeking to reform the way political parties are funded, with the expected compromise to pay parties and independent candidates $1 for each vote they receive at a federal election to cover administrative costs
Senator Madigan says MPs are "going to have another dip in the trough at the public's expense" and asks "we wonder why people hate politicians' bloody guts".

.........were is my cup of coffee............

[DiscoMick]

We already have a system of taxpayer support for electoral candidates - it's kept Pauline Hanson in the money for years, despite repeatedly losing. This is just an attempt to reform the system.

[feral]

Its more that just reform :mad:

The Labor Party is broke. New members are not joining and it is not receiving donations to fund its election campaign and beyond.

So what do they do, and do what they do best?

Oh..I know...lets gouge the taxpayer and they can fund our stupid ideas and legacies.

And the Liberals will just roll with it so it can all slip under the radar and Labor can cop the heat.


The political system in this country is broken and us typical Aussies are too gutless and weak to stand up to this nonsense and we will just roll over, as usual.

[Homestar]

This system has been in place for years, and already costs us $2.40 per vote to cover admin costs. If you abolish this you end up with only rich people being able to afford to run for parliament. Not sure about you, but I think there are enough of them already. This payment hasn't increased in years.

It's not about if you agree with a certain person or party, it is the same for everyone. This biased reporting making people think we are being ripped off is just gutter journalism....

[feral]

Who said about to abolish existing funding?

This is additional funding on top of whatever else they get. Not to mention the hidden costs and special allocations that get swept up in the mix.

"SWEEPING changes to electoral law being pursued by the Gillard government could deliver a windfall $20 million to the two major political parties to cover their campaigning costs for the upcoming election.

Despite budget deficits of almost $50 billion forecast for this and the next two years, Labor will introduce legislation in this sitting period to facilitate so-called "administrative funding" of $1 per primary vote gained in the House of Representatives and Senate at the September 14 election, and other measures, at a cost over the forward estimates of $58.1m."


Sure, if we want to play it that way, I would like to see full transparency of all donations moneys and funding given to all parties that run. So, if I give $1 to a party it should be for all the public to see. Full transparency. Full disclosure.

It is the only way to remove the corruption that is locked in our present political system.

[Homestar]

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.... Look what we have to put up with at the moment... On both sides...

[feral]

You're beginning to roll over......;)

[superquag]

My brilliant deductive mind can forsee a higher than usual invalid vote... especially if folk realized that this would ensure that NO party or candidate got the $2.40 + the extra $1.

Heard a suggestion for a new political movement called NOTA, or None of The Above.

They're campaigning for another tick-box on the bottom of all ballot papers. :eek:

[Homestar]

My brilliant deductive mind can forsee a higher than usual invalid vote... especially if folk realized that this would ensure that NO party or candidate got the $2.40 + the extra $1.

Heard a suggestion for a new political movement called NOTA, or None of The Above.

They're campaigning for another tick-box on the bottom of all ballot papers. :eek:

Hmmm, I wonder if I should start a Political party called 'None of the above'...:D

How much would I make out of that???

[newhue]

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.... Look what we have to put up with at the moment... On both sides...

Isn't our fearless leader one of the highest paid in the business. Anyway why would a successful person want to join the land of the little kings. It's all party perimeters, internal squabbling, egos, and career driven power trips.


My brilliant deductive mind can forsee a higher than usual invalid vote... especially if folk realized that this would ensure that NO party or candidate got the $2.40 + the extra $1.

Heard a suggestion for a new political movement called NOTA, or None of The Above.

They're campaigning for another tick-box on the bottom of all ballot papers. :eek:

I sit back and listen to my Federal member bro in law talk about how stupid people are for not voting. Just cost money with no outcome. I sit there and think stupid ****, my invalid vote is a vote of frustration. It is saying I'm not voting for boofhead or bozo. But they are so one eyed and party channeled they can't see anything else.
When I say both parties are similar, he assures me the Libs are nothing like the union hacking labor mob. Maybe so on one fact, but again so party hood winked they can't see they are both shades of grey. And I have pulled him up several times of his party being just as corrupt as the other side. But as usual, it's how you see politics.

[Mick_Marsh]

My brilliant deductive mind can forsee a higher than usual invalid vote... especially if folk realized that this would ensure that NO party or candidate got the $2.40 + the extra $1.

Heard a suggestion for a new political movement called NOTA, or None of The Above.

They're campaigning for another tick-box on the bottom of all ballot papers. :eek:
What a great idea.
What about a JDC (Just Don't Care) tick-box and a CGAF tick-box?

[Mick_Marsh]

I was chatting with a work colleague about how no one is worth voting for and how disillusioned and disengaged he was with the two party system we have today.
I told him it wasn't always like that. There was a time when there was no Labor or Liberal parties.

I suggested he join Clive Palmers "Palmer United Party". I said "If you join, I'll join too, vote for you for pre-selection and hand out your how to vote forms. Maybe this pay increase might be more of an encouragement to do so.

I see it now. "The Chucaro Party"
Sounds good. Where do I join?

[101RRS]

I thought politics could not be discussed on AULRO:confused:.

[DiscoMick]

I think the important part of this is the attempt to reduce the cut-off limit under which parties don't have to report the identity of donors. I think its $10,000 at the moment? A cross-party committee said it should be reduced to $1000. The Libs would only agree to $5000 so that's what the Government proposed.
Personally, I think all donations should be disclosed to the public so we know who is funding the parties. Its fine to fund the candidates you support, but it should be done openly. My opinion.

[Chucaro]

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I see it now. "The Chucaro Party"
Sounds good. Where do I join?

Remember that Chucaro in English means untameable, rebellious,ungoverned and Indomitable :)

Just wonder how popular will be a party with that qualities :D

[Mick_Marsh]

I thought politics could not be discussed on AULRO:confused:.
Hey! Chill.
We're not threatening to kill each other,


yet.

[Mick_Marsh]

Remember that Chucaro in English means untameable, rebellious,ungoverned and Indomitable :)

Just wonder how popular will be a party with that qualities :D
Great name.
It'd do better than "The Pirate Party".

[trog]

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.... Look what we have to put up with at the moment... On both sides...

But I have always read that the Australian wages were too high to compete internationally. Or does this only apply to the working classes ?

[Chucaro]

I thought politics could not be discussed on AULRO:confused:.

I was under the impression that a conversation in a civilized manner was Ok after the thread http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/174297-level-playing-field.html :confused:

[101RRS]

Not sure what the relevance of that link is but I thought that with the demise of the "Soapbox" topics on Religion and Politics were not permitted - however I cannot find the Forum rules other than the Sticky listed in the General Chat section and I cannot find it mentioned there.

So if I have been misinformed that is great but as we have found these type of posts soon denigrate with lots of arguments, bans and reporting - all liven the day up :) for a poor pensioner.

This one seems to be going Ok so that is great.

My view - no public donations should be permitted at all, all election funding provided by the government process but on a very tight formula to stop parties grandstanding.

Garry

[Chucaro]

Not sure what the relevance of that link is but .................................................. .......................................
Garry
Garry your English and interpretation of it is 100% better than mine.
I found relevance because my understating of the definition of "Politics" is:
The activities associated with the governance of a country or area and/or activities of governments concerning the political relations between countries.

[Pinelli]

Hmmm, I wonder if I should start a Political party called 'None of the above'...:D

How much would I make out of that???

There's an easier way, but it's already been done.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/thepollvault/2007/10/quirky-name-com.html (http://blogs.abc.net.au/thepollvault/2007/10/quirky-name-com.html)
:p

[ramblingboy42]

....how many million voters are there in Australia x $3.40......that is just insane giving those politicians that money......how much are the elderly, the poor, the ignored war veterans and neglected children getting? you could not convince me in any way that any current sitting member of Australia's parliament deserve one cent of that money.

[mikehzz]

....how many million voters are there in Australia x $3.40......that is just insane giving those politicians that money......how much are the elderly, the poor, the ignored war veterans and neglected children getting? you could not convince me in any way that any current sitting member of Australia's parliament deserve one cent of that money.

Well we could have a box on the ballot that says "none of those clowns" and the dollars for that vote could go directly to the groups you mentioned? We need to do something radical because it seems we are all trying to determine who is the least bad, not who is the best. :D

[Chucaro]

We can let them know what we think about it here:

What do you think of a Labor-Coalition deal to boost public funding of political parties? (http://www.sbs.com.au/news/yoursay/1772102/What-do-you-think-of-a-Labor-Coalition-deal-to-boo#join_the_discussion)

[bob10]

We can let them know what we think about it here:

What do you think of a Labor-Coalition deal to boost public funding of political parties? (http://www.sbs.com.au/news/yoursay/1772102/What-do-you-think-of-a-Labor-Coalition-deal-to-boo#join_the_discussion)


I think they got the message. Thank goodness, the Australian public is waking up from its slumber. The only message any politician understands is when they realise voters wont vote for them. Now, if only we can all stay awake, at least for a while. Bob