Should I ask for a refund?

[Sleepy]

Usually don't bother but this year decided to get a flu shot. Cost me all of $16 A week later I have the flu. Freekin Grrrrrrr! Should have spent the $16 on beer!

[C00P]

Dead right! should have got your jab in March. I've been getting mine regularly for the past 21 years and no flu despite others around me succumbing.
And I'm supposed to be the one with a compromised immune system... (renal transplant).

Get it in March, OR spend it on beer....

Coop

[Flipper]

Usually don't bother but this year decided to get a flu shot. Cost me all of $16 A week later I have the flu. Freekin Grrrrrrr! Should have spent the $16 on beer!


Everyone I know who gets the flu shot become very sick weeks latter.
Somehow I don't think being injected with mercury and other toxins is a bright idea.
But hey, the pharmaceutical snake oil business is something to invest in if your scared of runny nose. Theres a 50/50 chance it could work if you read the label.
Half a bottle of whiskey usually clears me up by the next day...

[Sleepy]

Get it in March, OR spend it on beer....

Coop

Why March? Does it go off?

[Sleepy]

Something tells me you are a skeptic Flipper.

[Chucaro]

Dead right! should have got your jab in March. I've been getting mine regularly for the past 21 years and no flu despite others around me succumbing.
And I'm supposed to be the one with a compromised immune system... (renal transplant).

Get it in March, OR spend it on beer....

Coop

X 2 :)

[Sleepy]

You reckon the gp would have told me may is too late :(

[d@rk51d3]

Half a bottle of whiskey usually clears me up by the next day...

That, and a couple of hours "on the nest" works wonders. ;)

:D:angel::wasntme:

[Tank]

Everyone I know who gets the flu shot become very sick weeks latter.
Somehow I don't think being injected with mercury and other toxins is a bright idea.
But hey, the pharmaceutical snake oil business is something to invest in if your scared of runny nose. Theres a 50/50 chance it could work if you read the label.
Half a bottle of whiskey usually clears me up by the next day...
Never benn crook from the shot in 15 years, also never had the flu since starting the shots, Regards Frank.

[towe0609]

I work in Public Health - a few quotes from authoritative sources dealing with issues raised....

"all flu vaccines do not contain live virus and so do not cause you to get influenza" Source
(http://www.health.gov.au/internet/immunise/Publishing.nsf/content/immunise-influenza-qanda)
"Influenza vaccine provides protection against laboratory confirmed influenza, which has been shown to be approximately 60 – 85% in healthy children <6 years of age and 60% in adults. The level of protection is lower in the elderly, in immunocompromised people, and when there is mismatch between the vaccine and circulating influenza virus strains......

People should receive their annual influenza vaccination before the start of the influenza season. Generally, influenza vaccines are available in Australia from the beginning of March of each year. This ensures people are protected during Australia’s peak influenza season which is usually between June and September. Generally it takes between 10 and 14 days for an immune response to the vaccine to develop and for a person to be protected from influenza. Getting the influenza vaccine will not stop a person from getting influenza if they are already infected at, or shortly after, the time of vaccination." Source (http://www.ncirs.edu.au/immunisation/fact-sheets/influenza-fact-sheet.pdf)

and one from a not so reputable source ... but their referencing seems reasonable... and I was being lazy

"The common cold is the most common human disease. Adults typically have two to five infections annually and children may have six to ten colds a year (and up to twelve colds a year for school children)." Common cold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Get your flu shot....

[FeatherWeightDriver]

I have had the flu shot on and off for the last few years (free from work - yay!)

But every time I have the shot I get a REALLY nasty cold / flu that year.

Causation, correlation, chance - who knows. Either way I have given up having them...

[weeds]

Never had he flu since getting the shot.....my employer picks up the cost of bringing a doctor onsite.

[p38arover]

Everyone I know who gets the flu shot become very sick weeks latter.
Somehow I don't think being injected with mercury and other toxins is a bright idea.
But hey, the pharmaceutical snake oil business is something to invest in if your scared of runny nose. Theres a 50/50 chance it could work if you read the label.
Half a bottle of whiskey usually clears me up by the next day...

Never been sick after having a flu shot.

If whiskey fixes you, then you didn't have the flu. Too many people call a cold "the flu". You sound like one of them.

Did you have your kids vaccinated against measles, whooping cough, etc.?

[sheerluck]

.......If whiskey fixes you, then you didn't have the flu. Too many people call a cold "the flu"..........

+1.

A dribbly nose, sore throat with a cough and headache isn't the 'flu, it's a common cold. It is perfectly possible to carry on life as normal with a cold, apart from taking polite precautions to prevent it spreading.

With a proper 'flu, chances are you'll need to head for bed and stay there for 2-3 days, because you'll feel like someone has injected your joints and bones with lead.

[Sleepy]

Nah, its flu.....:mad:, colds don't have me in bed for 3 days...

I proabably missed the 10 to 14 day window that towe0609 referred.

Oh well, better go in March next year.:angel:

[loanrangie]

If you are young and healthy dont waste your time, if you are you are in a high risk group then get it.
nNever had it and dont see the need, seems strange that every one at work that gets it is sick within 2 weeks.
Even those that have it can still catch the flu.

[Tombie]

I had never had a proper "flu" until the year I had my flu shot...

Thought it was bad luck. Gave the next year a go again - and got the flu again; kicked the crap out of me!

Last year didn't get the shot...
Only had a cold / sniffle...

[Flipper]

Never been sick after having a flu shot.

If whiskey fixes you, then you didn't have the flu. Too many people call a cold "the flu". You sound like one of them.

Did you have your kids vaccinated against measles, whooping cough, etc.?

I 100% respect your views mate.
Take your shots if thats what you believe works for you and your family as this is your right.
For me,,, well as the old saying goes, "An apple a day keeps the doctor away", and I would rather chew on that than trust any human injecting me or my family with heavy metals and dead viruses on the gamble it could work each year.
Best regards Phil...

[Eevo]

Somehow I don't think being injected with mercury and other toxins is a bright idea.
lol

your so wrong

[p38arover]

Go to the SBS site and look up a programme just aired. It's called "Jabbed" - I watched it. Maybe nay-sayers should, too.

Jabbed on SBS (http://www.sbs.com.au/shows/jabbed)

I only ever get colds when I travel on public transport. You just can't avoid people with colds which makes me really hate the Codral "Soldier On" ads which basically want people to take their medicine and still go to work and spread the colds around. Maybe we should wear masks like the Japanese do.

[Tombie]

Injected heavy metals? Wtf!?
So very wrong on this one.

And You are exposed to far worse threats than inert virus daily... Your body silently battles "hundreds" of bugs every minute of every day.

[Disco Muppet]

You guys DO know how vaccines work right? :p

[bee utey]

Vaccines, mercury and you | Young Australian Skeptics (http://youngausskeptics.com/2009/05/vaccines-mercury-and-you/)


But suppose you get exposed to 25 mcg of mercury per year, from an annual flu vaccine for example. How does that 25 micrograms of mercury compare to mercury you might be exposed to from other sources?
The typical concentration of mercury in most fish is typically around 0.20 parts per million. Generally, fish with a mercury content exceeding 0.50 ppm are regarded as high-​​mercury fish. For some predatory fish at the top of the food chain, such as shark and swordfish, mercury concentrations as high as 1 ppm are not atypical, due to biomagnification of the mercury up the food chain.
If you eat a fish containing 0.20 ppm mercury, you only need to eat 125 g in order to have 25 mcg of mercury intake; the equivalent of a dose of thiomersal-​​containing vaccine. Personally, I think that’s a pretty small dinner. For a fish with 1 ppm mercury concentration, only 25 grams of fish needs to be eaten.



Finally, coal in Australia typically contains around 0.04 mg/​kg of mercury, on average. When the coal is burned, the volatile mercury goes up the chimney in the form of mercury vapor and is released into the environment, where it can be converted into methylmercury by microorganisms and biomagnified in food chains. Coal-​​fired power stations are in fact the largest source of mercury pollution in the environment. The Eraring coal-​​fired power station in New South Wales, for example, burned 6,591,738 tonnes of coal in 2007. Assuming 0.04 mg/​kg of mercury in the coal; that’s 264 kilograms of mercury emitted to the environment from one power station in one year; assuming that the mercury vapor cannot be removed from the exhaust of the power station.

Oh and a flu vaccine will only work for the flu viruses targetted by the vaccine, any other variety of flu is still unprotected for.

[superquag]

Correct me if I'm rong... but I have been told that the figure for vaccinated (whooping cough, measles/mumps etc) folk is around 90+ percent. - Think it's 92%.

Hard-core nay-sayers make up around 2% of the population, the rest of the un-vaccinated are either dithering...or forgetful.

Assuming the 92%, then the remaining 8% are at risk of going down with whatever they're NOT vaccinated against. No doubt they're the ones who made up the whooping cough "epidemic" we've had in the West recently...

Or put it another way.... "None of the sick kids were vaccinated against xxxxxx..." - TRUE or FALSE ?

Not that I'm cynical, but are those figures available to the public???

Same with the 'flu vaccination and the stats on whether the victims were/were NOT jabbed.

Disclaimer: - Got my first and last Flu needle some years ago at work, felt so-so afterwards.... some months later came down with the first (of a few) bout of sheer hell on earth. Previously had never had a real flu...

No, I don't think it was worth it at all and will refuse to have another.

[superquag]

You guys DO know how vaccines work right? :p

Yes, it was taught to us in high school Biology...

But those of us born early last Century have a well-honed sense of how "Big Business" operates...

If the word 'epidemic' is concerning...then 'Pandemic' is truly terrifying... but in terms of the World Health Organization, 'pandemic' only refers to the scope and ease of infection... it says nothing of the outcome.

An excerpt from the link below:- " Severity has never been part of the WHO definition of a pandemic, although the pandemic virus has to be able to cause disease in at least some people."

How many of us knew that ? :eek:


Definition of a Pandemic (http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/healthtopics/pandemic_preparedness/basic_facts/Pages/definition_of_pandemic.aspx)

[Tombie]

I love the fact people won't do this, that etc..

But live in a modern society where they breathe massive levels of carcinogenic compounds (benzine etc) consume synthetic compounds in food and expose themselves to Radiation sources etc far worse than the case they are arguing against.

In fact, it's odds on that cancer will be the final Cause of death rather than "he shouldn't have had that vaccination"

[Sleepy]

You guys DO know how vaccines work right? :p

No. ( he says at 1am coughing his guts up) :(

[Mick_Marsh]

No. ( he says at 1am coughing his guts up) :(
They inject you with dead or inert virus cells.
Your body then builds up immunity from dealing with these cells. The symptoms you are having may be this process.
When you are later exposed to the live virus, your body has the ability to deal with with these cells before they are able to multiply and overwhelm your defences.
You live whilst others around you are dropping like flies.

One of the methods used to render the virus inert for use in vaccinations is radiation. They irradiate a live virus to kill the nucleus. This renders the virus inert. i.e. it can't replicate. There have been a few cases where the process wasn't done right and some live cells got into the vaccine. Also, they can't vaccinate you against future strains.

I don't vaccinate against the flu through choice. I have looked at my lifestyle and think I am at low risk. My sister and brother in law, however, are health care professionals and are exposed to these viruses all the time. For them, flu vaccinations are essential.

[Sleepy]

It was never like dis in Krasnogorsk dey just inject da radiation directly.
Thank you comrade Marsh!

[sheerluck]

........trust any human injecting me or my family with heavy metals......

I do actually work for a big pharmaceutical company, and I was wondering why all those tankers full of mercury, cadmium and lead had to deliver to the factory every single day. You have truly opened my eyes, and for that I thank you.

:Rolling:

In all seriousness, refusing to be vaccinated because of mercury content is like refusing to drive a car because of the danger, but then happily running backwards and forwards across a motorway.

[Mick_Marsh]

It was never like dis in Krasnogorsk dey just inject da radiation directly.
Thank you comrade Marsh!вы только приветствовать

[Chucaro]

вы только приветствовать

which I been told that means "you are most welcome" :D

[Mick_Marsh]

Dammit Sleepy.
Someone has cracked our code.
You know what this means. Chucaro, we will have to kill you.

Hey, this espionage thing is fun.

[Chucaro]

Dammit Sleepy.
Someone has cracked our code.
You know what this means. Chucaro, we will have to kill you.

Hey, this espionage thing is fun.

After the translation it have to go trough Ron's filter :D
There is no scape here in "Woglandia" we know all the languages in the world.
Then again I should start posting in Lunfardo to see how the forum filter reacts :p

[superquag]

... Or Basque...

[Sleepy]

Well just to close this off, went to the quack yesterday , it's not flu I have. So not covered under warranty :P

He said:
- He only sees approx 3 cases of influenza each season.
- don't believe everything you read on the Internet :P

[Mick_Marsh]

- don't believe everything you read on the Internet :P
I don't believe that.

[Chucaro]

Well just to close this off, went to the quack yesterday , it's not flu I have. So not covered under warranty :P

He said:
- He only sees approx 3 cases of influenza each season.
- don't believe everything you read on the Internet :P

He covers his rear, I will ask for a second opinion :p :D

[numpty]

I have never had a flu shot even though it is offered to us each year at work. I have never had the flu in my 60 years and consider myself a low risk candidate, being healthy and reasonably fit, which is not the case for a vast number of the population.

It comes down to personal choice. Maybe when I'm old ;) I will have a different perspective.

[p38arover]

I have never had a flu shot even though it is offered to us each year at work. I have never had the flu in my 60 years and consider myself a low risk candidate, being healthy and reasonably fit, which is not the case for a vast number of the population..

Possibly the fact that your occupation keeps you away from large nos. of the public, too. Perry. :)

Elisabeth always had them when she was a medical receptionist. Me, too, when I was on the railway.

[Chucaro]

Some people use the Russian penicillin AKA garlic but I do not know how effective it is.
Maybe mix it with Echinacea and will be a good brew.

[numpty]

Possibly the fact that your occupation keeps you away from large nos. of the public, too. Perry. :)

Elisabeth always had them when she was a medical receptionist. Me, too, when I was on the railway.

True Ron, and aren't I lucky :p but I haven't always worked in this environment and I do travel with an aircraft full of people every fortnight.

Interestingly, my Mum always had a flu shot and always managed to get sick, not that I'm a conspiracy theorist :cool:

[Sleepy]

He covers his rear,....

Arthur, it was a cold, not gastro! :eek::burnrubber:
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