RRS 2010 Offroad Setup - Started! BullBar On [Archive]

firefoxGC

13th June 2013, 04:39 PM

Well,
as have mentioned i am in the process of fitting out my Range Rover with touring equipment. The first to go on was the Bull Bar and LED Light bar and Winch!.
Here's some photos.
Unfortunately i am away, however the pictures look great and very very happy with the profile and install.

The RUNVA winch is on, and the LED bar is on. They sent the wrong snorkel so have to get that installed in about 2 weeks with the wheel carrier and other items..

I'll continue to post the pic's of the fitout but very happy so far with it.
There's some more pics with them on their facebook page..
https://www.facebook.com/OppositeLockGoldCoast

SBD4

13th June 2013, 06:03 PM

Looks good.

Tombie

13th June 2013, 06:12 PM

Got to be happy with that...

CSBrisie

13th June 2013, 06:18 PM

Looks fantastic ;)

Rohan

13th June 2013, 06:28 PM

Looks nice!
Two questions, if you don't mind, are OL stocking these for RRS? How much (roughly)?

firefoxGC

13th June 2013, 06:34 PM

Hi Guys,
Very happy with the look (although only seen on pics) however a good mate has seen it and the wife picked it up. The profile/design fits in really nicely to RRS layout. It's a OL modified D4 bar..

There was concerns on the aux radiator at the bottom, but it looks like the new items underneath work perfectly so it came together quite nice.

I think once it's all done (roof rack and other items etc) should be a great offroad and touring vehicle.. :)

Rohan OL is i think offering these. Fitted they i believe are around 2K (i had OL do the Winch and light bar and a few other mods so my final price was just over 2K..) OL has been working on these bars for a while, i believe mine is the first with the mods underneath..

However i think most good OL stores are able to supply and fit. I'm really happy with Tony and the guys from OL Gold Coast..

TerryO

13th June 2013, 06:57 PM

That does look really good and helps make the RRS a better all round proposition.

101RRS

13th June 2013, 07:06 PM

It is a shame your car is black as the pics do not show how well the front guards have been cut - when you see it in the flesh let us know what they did to trim up the edges etc.

Looks great though.

firefoxGC

13th June 2013, 08:45 PM

hi garry, i'll post some indepth pics on the weekend. Getting home tomorrow night. Will get some close shots of the trims and layout.

Spoke to my winch guy tonight, we plan on moving the top winch module to the side or hidden the winch has a wireless controller, so i think if i can move the module will look a little nicer..

Nomad9

13th June 2013, 11:53 PM

Hi Firefox,
Looks good, very neat and tidy. Just out of interest can you still get the headlights out without taking the bar off?
I had a hells own job getting the headlight out of my D3 with the ARB bar on it, this looks tighter again.

Piddler

14th June 2013, 06:15 AM

Awesome looks great :)
Cheers

firefoxGC

17th June 2013, 05:45 PM

Hi Guys,
as promised some more photos of the vehicle.. (bull bar)

I've just given up today on a Baja Rack. The guys importing them are complete idiots and are just useless to deal with. So we've ordered a Rhino Rack Pioneer Tray..

Here's some more pics of the under body etc. There is a small gap on the sides, which we plan on filling with a custom moulded rubber/fill. Nothing huge, and really unless you get right up close you can't see it. Otherwise the profiles are extremely similar..

Graeme

17th June 2013, 07:03 PM

Some protective sheathing around the wires that go through the holes in the metal shields each side could be worthwhile.

firefoxGC

17th June 2013, 07:08 PM

Hi Graeme, i thought the same when i saw it. they aren't actually wires.. They are metal rods that hold the other side of bolts.. They've just been bent up to keep it tidy.

We're thinking about moving he runva winch unit to make it all look a little nicer..

101RRS

17th June 2013, 07:24 PM

Looks like the guards have not been cut and the front bumper just removed - hence the gap. Looks like it is D3 bar with modified bits as necessary.

Nice fitup though.

PS - on closer inspection and comparing with the line of my own guard I can see the guard has been cut - as there is no trim over the cut area I assume the area has been repainted - how does the work in this area look close up - looks Ok in the pics

Garry

Tombie

17th June 2013, 07:44 PM

Lower outer covers need to meet centre bash plate or a big stick is going to find a bad spot to go :)

Other than that... Nice!

firefoxGC

17th June 2013, 08:43 PM

hi tombie,
yeah i agree. Pics have gone to Gordon at GOE as we are currently looking at doing a front plate for it.. We decided to wait until the bar went on the front prior to making it up...

jimc

19th June 2013, 11:13 AM

Nice build...and assuming that's your van your building up on myswag.org...you will find your trip around Oz very comfortable for the family. What have you done/planning to do for in car entertainment for the kids?

firefoxGC

19th June 2013, 03:05 PM

Hi Jim,
Yeah thats the MK7 on myswag... For those on here, one what i've been told is very large van! (but lite!)...

Kids have ipads, iphones and macbook air's. So they are sorted for the trip. They're used to long journeys as we do alot of camping..

Getting closer now to leave date.. We've got a deadline for across the simpson with friends late july.. So everything has to be ready.

Car is in Landrover having it's first round of warranty work and maintenance today/tomorrow, and then goes back for it's final check over mid july just before we leave..

DoctorJ

19th June 2013, 06:33 PM

Great to see 4wd companies providing for Range Rovers. Theres very little out there generally.

Cheers
Julian

firefoxGC

24th June 2013, 04:17 PM

We managed to get some additional work done today.
In went the UHF..

Thanks to Luke at Mr Automotive, managed to hunt me a "correct" Raised Air Intake for the Car. We sealed it up a little as well. Looks good..!

Roof Rack went on the roof, and was so happy with the Great Whites LED bar that we mounted another one on the roof.

Still much more to come, but we are getting there..

chuck

24th June 2013, 07:54 PM

Firefox

Out of interest what size tyres do you have on your RRS?

Cheers

101RRS

24th June 2013, 08:11 PM

Thanks to Luke at Mr Automotive, managed to hunt me a "correct" Raised Air Intake for the Car. We sealed it up a little as well. Looks good..!

Did you replace the pipe inside the guard or just pull it out and tape it up to seal it?

Garry

firefoxGC

24th June 2013, 09:42 PM

Hi chuck currently have 20" rims with the 285/ 20's. however waiting for GOE rims to arrive and will run the 18" cooper ltz. As current.

Hi Garry we left the original internals, so we can get it checked with LR. I've got a good dealer and has taken a good interest in helping with the car. We plan to change it over to a complete system, however I am very aware of the electronics, computers and leather, which I have no interest in drowning.

101RRS

24th June 2013, 09:50 PM

Hi Garry we left the original internals, so we can get it checked with LR. I've got a good dealer and has taken a good interest in helping with the car. We plan to change it over to a complete system, however I am very aware of the electronics, computers and leather, which I have no interest in drowning.

I cannot speak for the updated RRS but in the earlier version like have the internal pipe is perforated to let water out if it gets into standard intact so this makes the system "leaky". Now I did hear the later versions used a sealed pipe but I am not sure. If you want to use you RAI as a snorkel, in addition to sealing the external intake to the body, you will need to make sure the pipe that joins the RAI to the airbox is also sealed - but as I said on your model it may already be.

Cheers

Garry

firefoxGC

24th June 2013, 09:52 PM

Hi Gary, no my version is perforated. We checked.
However we plan on changing it, just making sure landrover are ok with the approach. But plan is to put a closed system in.

firefoxGC

26th June 2013, 10:10 AM

another update this morning.. :)...
Thanks to Gordon at GOE, my rims arrived and have been fitted with the Cooper ZEON LTZ 18".. Very Happy with them

I have 2 spares i am carrying, unfortunately the rear wheel carrier is not on yet, so still waiting on it to arrive and fit. But one is on the roof for the time being.

Here's a couple of pics..

DiscoWeb

26th June 2013, 10:54 AM

Mate,

That is one good looking Sport it will look even better towing a van and covered in mud !!!

Have you looked into any sill protection/rock sliders ?

George

firefoxGC

26th June 2013, 05:24 PM

Hi George, Yep already ordered and waiting on the way from Gordon (GOE)..
The rear wheel carrier and looks like i am going to get SupaPeg to custom make rear/side awnings for the lift up boot :)...

Yeah it will get very dirty. First major 4wd trip is in about 4 weeks across and back the Simpson desert :).. I've got a very large custom 9mt caravan we are towing.. I'll post some pics of them together.. But here's one from a couple of weeks ago..

CSBrisie

26th June 2013, 09:30 PM

Im assuming the van isn't going across the Simpson!! :eek:

firefoxGC

26th June 2013, 09:32 PM

Heya, nah it's staying in secure lockup. Will be tenting for a week or 2.

TerryO

26th June 2013, 10:47 PM

firefoxGC

27th June 2013, 07:48 AM

Hi Terry,
the Van is being built by Xpedition Campers on the Gold Coast. They are a small but extremely specialist builder of offroad vans and custom shells. They've built 3 of my vans all custom builds, in which i have also been extensively involved with the build.

The van is nothing like anything you would have ever seen. Lets just say to match the car, the electronics, Satelitte, Internet, TV and everything else it's in a lap of luxury..

streaky

27th June 2013, 04:03 PM

Mr Fox...do you have Brembo brakes on your Sport? I have 20" Rims and would love to run that exact same set-up that you have but my Sport has the Brembo brakes and calipers which will limit my rim sizes (or so I'm told)

Thx.

(very envious of your vehicle btw!)

gghaggis

27th June 2013, 04:13 PM

firefoxGC

27th June 2013, 04:50 PM

I run the larger brakes (and god they last like 15000km)! They are not the carbons but the large brembo's.

Yes the RIMS fit. However Gordon can help you with your vehicle.

Brownie

3rd August 2013, 01:41 PM

Hi Firefox...great rig. What happens with Insurance ?? if the bar is not certified...or did OL get it tested etc. I want one !!

firefoxGC

4th August 2013, 07:43 PM

Apologies for no updates. Been though a lot getting the car and van ready for the big trip.
I managed to grab a photo this afternoon of the car in its correct environment.

I promise to post some completed photos of the car, that only got finished on Wednesday this week!

firefoxGC

4th August 2013, 07:47 PM

Btw photo is on top of big red!

Damn new transmission map they loaded has changed how the gears work in sand modes. Took me 2 attempts to get upd, but managed to work out gear changes.

Insurance is with suncorp, and landrover have approved the bar well at least my dealer did with the other options. Opposite lock also has approved the bar.

Insurance all good with all extras and agreed value :) a little more expensive then other insurers but didn't give me any hassle.

discojools

5th August 2013, 05:28 PM

Re your gearchange problem I found it best to go into command shift. Stops the gearbox from going up a ratio if you lift off a bit. Do you have Llams or rods? In my opinion essential for Simpson Desert.

firefoxGC

5th August 2013, 07:38 PM

I was running in command shift. It was refusing to change. I had a transmission map update and service done. And the gearbox definitely now acts differently.
I need to run low range and I get full control of the box. But in high range even in command shift it refuses to change.

GOE rods went on this morning have done a small amount of Kms to check today. Tomorrow off to the desert should be a good trip.
Looks like ill be using a little more low range apparently after speaking with landrover the new map recommends low range for soft sand so you get full control.

~Rich~

5th August 2013, 08:29 PM

Thats strange about Command Shift not responding, I had no such issue in the Simpson dunes.
Have a read of the last part of my first post on the trip here:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/multi-state-reports/155953-simpson-desert-trip-australia-geographical-centre-july12.html

Have a great time, wish I was back out there. ;)

Corgie Carrier

20th August 2013, 09:47 PM

Hi mate, Great lookin truck, seeing yours makes me want a sport more than ever.

How did you go in the desert?

What did you use for recovery points? I couldn't see any in the pics of the bullbar.

How did you get the power to the lightbar on the roof?

Neale

Boofla

21st August 2013, 06:41 AM

Hi mate,

Great looking ride!

Is the bar something OL stock now or was it a custom job?
Do you know if it will fit a 06 RRS?

Also where did you get the rear wheel carrier?

Thanks

firefoxGC

21st August 2013, 06:59 AM

All available from opposite lock. I think they have a bar that will fit and 06.

101RRS

16th January 2014, 03:22 PM

I was in an Opposite Lock store today and asked about the RRS bar.

The guy indicated that the bars provided to them are actually D3/D4 bars and they come with a modification kit that allows the bar to be modified to fit the RRS. It also comes with the sticker or plate that says the bar complies to fit the RRS.

Just so you know :D

Garry

firefoxGC

17th January 2014, 08:35 PM

Hi Garry, thanks for the info. That's what I have been told and have. Well I've done about 15,000ks now and in a different state. And been very very happy with my bar and the entire setup. Although had some problems with the car they have all been electronic, which I think JLR has finally found and fixed.

101RRS

17th January 2014, 08:43 PM

Is your compliance label a sticker or a plate and does it actually say RRS or D3/D4?

If Opposite Lock can provide a bar for the RRS through this process, I don't know why ARB, TJM and ECB cannot do the same - I assume the major brand name bar manufacturers are able to self comply their bars and do not have to submit them to an independent authority for testing and compliance.

Cheers

Garry

Disco Muppet

17th January 2014, 08:47 PM

disco_goose

17th January 2014, 09:04 PM

firefoxGC

17th January 2014, 09:08 PM

Garry I'll check and post I believe it is rrs. The car spent 6 weeks at jaguar landrover in sydney looking at many things. The techs were interested in the bag on the front. The story I got from them, is they don't recommend them on the rrs however they could see it was certified for the car.

I agree with disco muppet. The amount of people that talk to me about the car is amazing. However I pave not seen any other rrs that even has some of the basic other 4wd accessories. Just not a big market for them.

101RRS

17th January 2014, 09:24 PM

Yes but as you have found you do not need a dedicated bar for the RRS - it is just in the fitting and the plate - not a lot of cost involved. As you have also found, the same applies to many of the other accessories that are available on the D3/4 also go straight on the RRS.

Cheers

garry

Disco Muppet

17th January 2014, 09:32 PM

101RRS

17th January 2014, 09:54 PM

WE know it's a very simple task to make a D3/D4 bar fit an RRS, but do they?
Because for them to know, they'd have to take an interest, which maybe they don't.

Opposite Lock can do it so there is no reason the others couldn't do it.

There are a few RRS around with illegally privately modified ARB D3 bars on them - as with the OL bar the work is in the fitting not the making of the bar.

Garry

Disco Muppet

17th January 2014, 10:56 PM

Opposite Lock can do it so there is no reason the others couldn't do it.

There are a few RRS around with illegally privately modified ARB D3 bars on them - as with the OL bar the work is in the fitting not the making of the bar.

Garry

Yes, this is true.
However, I've always found Opposite Lock to be far more accommodating in going the extra distance for Land Rover items than the other retailers. That's just me.
Yes, OL did it, so could ARB, TJM, everyone else.
They could, they probably should, but will they?
Let's face it, they're a business, that's making lots of money making items based on the majority of the market, i.e the toyotas, the nissans, etc. Why do you think they struggle to get a batch of 10 orders for D2 front bars, and have absurd waiting times, when you can walk in and probably pick up a prado bar that day, or the day after, and at half the cost?
It's about maximising profits by targeting the majority market.
And unfortunately, that sure as hell ain't the RRS.

Mike_S

13th February 2014, 10:42 PM

Saw this RRS on the queenscliff to Sorrento ferry on Sunday, looked excellent. Certainly got me thinking about having the OL bar for mine.

firefoxGC

22nd February 2014, 08:21 AM

Hi mike_s we went across for the day. Now up in the vic high country.
Have to admit having an electrical gremlin with the car again. Arrrgggghhhhh.

benji

22nd February 2014, 10:39 AM

I can only speak for my experiences with ARB but in my (probably limited) experiences, they haven't been overly keen to make changes in the name of any low demand product, especially for land rovers.
WE know it's a very simple task to make a D3/D4 bar fit an RRS, but do they?
Because for them to know, they'd have to take an interest, which maybe they don't.

The same goes for a d2 bar onto a p38. I asked ARB and TJM about it and it was a flat out no. Very dissapointing; it's a lack of will as opposed to business sense.

Great thread though; I think more people are going to want these accessories in the next 10 years.

Yorkie

22nd February 2014, 10:48 AM

Hi mike_s we went across for the day. Now up in the vic high country.
Have to admit having an electrical gremlin with the car again. Arrrgggghhhhh.

Bugger, how is the replacement D4 going. ;)

zilch

3rd May 2014, 06:31 PM

any news have you had the vehicle sorted??

firefoxGC

3rd May 2014, 09:32 PM

Hi zilch,
Unfortunately not, and due to me progressing options, I officially got banned from communicating with landrover customer care. Yep that department just doesn't care about there customers.

It was funny a dealer found serious problems something of which didn't show up in the logs, sent info to LRA in Sydney. After them proving there was metal filings they look like they have accepted there is a problem.

Drives me up the wall. Anyhow only time will take to sort it out.

Car still not fixed, currently blown power steering. But electrical gremlin still not sorted.

zilch

4th May 2014, 03:52 PM

Hi zilch,
Unfortunately not, and due to me progressing options, I officially got banned from communicating with landrover customer care. Yep that department just doesn't care about there customers.

I know a few who have had a run in with LRA, their customer service attitude is basically :censored: Someone i know went after them in Victoria via the legal
route based on the lemon laws his sport was so bad.. not sure what the outcome there was though. hope you get it fixed

Meccles

5th May 2014, 03:21 PM

Hi Firefox I had a 2010 model tdv8 it suffered many problems I cannot legally tell you how/ what was done but I did use a solicitor and lemon laws and records. Wasn't easy but we did come to a mutually agreed solution
Meccles

firefoxGC

5th May 2014, 03:48 PM

Yep just going through that now. I think Landrover think i am bluffing?

We just had them advise the local dealer today that aparently running 18" rims WILL VOID all warranties.

Yes lawyers and everyone else is involved, and i have more then enough records even an email from Landrover Australia admitting the car is a LEMON and not fit for purpose.

They just want to drag it out instead of doing the right thing. I can't even tell you the mess that (manager of Customer Care) has caused. The list is as would fill a book!

Time will tell, Landrover has had the opportunity to do the right thing. Oliver harding from LRA was doing the right thing, until he got moved sideways.

I think alot of interesting things will come out over the next month or so. We've got some real interesting facts and i record everything so yep it's a pity a company that "CAN" make a great car fail so horrifically when it comes to service. I have even spoken to the head honcho of service Mr Marc Paez and although he agree's i really think they just don't give a stuff about their customers.. Sooner rather then later their brand will be rubbish with so many complaints, but i just don't think they care.

Cheers
JD

rar110

5th May 2014, 05:36 PM

I've heard of a few RRS having problems. That doesn't seem to have occurred in the D 3/4. Why is that when I understood them to be a pretty similar design & components. Especially suspension, running gear and electrics.

firefoxGC

5th May 2014, 05:48 PM

i believe the chassis is identical however i have the top end RRS and it seems things like the suspension i have the active dynamic so thats just one component. i also think its that same old story of was it made on a friday.

ive had a number of landrovers and none of them have had the insane amount of issues that this thing has had. i am still under firm belief there is a couple of critical electrical problems that they cant find.

there seems to be an increasing amount of RRS owners in the 2010 and beyond group that are having problems. not quite sure but maybe there is something funny. i have owned by the D3 and a D4 both which did not have the issues. both had similar accessories.. honestly not quite sure maybe someone can shed some light?

gghaggis

5th May 2014, 06:05 PM

For the record, mine is a 2010 RRS and I've never experienced any issues, but it's a 3.0 ltr without Active Dynamics.

Cheers,

Gordon

zilch

5th May 2014, 06:38 PM

FF it may be worth joining another forum as well, namely the rrsport.co.uk members who have a long list of documented issues and problems, you may
be able to get some more research there as well from the global community

Cheers

Jim

Stuart02

1st July 2015, 08:49 AM

Wow, this is a pretty epic read but a tad depressing as a 2010 RRS owner...

What's the general experience on them as touring vehicles? I've seen written for example that they're (somehow) sprung more firmly than the Discoveries, which I believe as the RRS doesn't have the magic-carpet-ride feeling at normal height that our 2010 D4 did (though it was on 18" rims whereas the RRS is on 20" rims). What're the practical implications for outback touring of that firmer suspension?

Is the active dynamic suspension a liability?

And the lower payload? There's no way a family can not overload the car for a well equipped outback excursion. I'm resigned to a trailer of some kind on that front.

What can and should be done pre-emptively to minimise the issues?

Out of interest I must chase up what happened with the Vic owner who went to VCAT about his lemon RRS... I know he's not driving it any more.