Cargo Net for D3?

[BSM]

Hi All,

New to this forum, and a new to D3 Ownership as well. Got a 2nd hand TDV6 SE three weeks ago, and am just loving it.

I was looking to install a cargo barrier, but was told that being a 7 -Seater that is an illegal mod. I'm not sure if pulling the rear seats out is legal - but I don't want to do that anyway.

I am therefore looking for a way to make sure that what is in the back stays in the back.

I figured some sort of cargo net that I can attach to the tie down points in the back when I'm loaded up is an answer.

Does anybody use anything like this? Any suggestions as to type etc?

thanks

BSM

[CSBrisie]

Perfectly legal to fit one - LR UK have a factory "dog guard" you can buy on line or you can get a Milford one from Opposite Lock etc

[tony_s]

Or Hayman Reese from ARB

[Epic]

I've just had a factory dog guard fitted to my D4. It's a very neat piece and installation was easy using all of the factory bolt points.
However, you will not be able to use the 3rd row as the barrier won't allow the seats to pull up. It's an easy removal/reinstallation if you realy have to anyway.
I had to take mine out to put in the cargo blind and reinstall it. Wasn't too hard at all. $580 fitted at Adelaide's Solitare service centre.
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[jon3950]

Or Autosafe.

Have had Milfords and Hayman Reese in past and they are all good. However went with Autosafe in the D4 following recommendations on here. Advantage is its easier to fit and you don't have to cut holes in the roof trim.

Cheers,
Jon

[D3mike]

i've gotta factory LR one in my 7 seater - you just have to take it our when you want 7 seats. Otherwise have a 5 seater and the dogs go in the back.

D3mike

[Graeme]

I'd like to optionally have just a top half to allow access behind the 2nd row seats for everyday use.

[SBD4]

I'd like to optionally have just a top half to allow access behind the 2nd row seats for everyday use.

Graeme, Autosafe make half height one for those that have drawers. These are custom made to fit with the drawer system in each car. perhaps they would consider making one for someone without drawers.

I'm sure I have seen somewhere a barrier that provided access through the full barrier via removable section/gate. I'll see if I can find it.

[BSM]

Perfectly legal to fit one - LR UK have a factory "dog guard" you can buy on line or you can get a Milford one from Opposite Lock etc

It was Ritters in Melbourne who told me it was illegal. They would not even consider an install.
Strange that a well known Landy dealer would hold that view.

I checked on VicRoads and there's no mention of restrictions for Cargo Barriers so I suppose you're right. I think I'll check with the insurance company as well, if they say its Okay, and won't use it as an excuse for non-payment in the event of a claim, then it's a non-issue

[discotwinturbo]

It was Ritters in Melbourne who told me it was illegal. They would not even consider an install.
Strange that a well known Landy dealer would hold that view.

I checked on VicRoads and there's no mention of restrictions for Cargo Barriers so I suppose you're right. I think I'll check with the insurance company as well, if they say its Okay, and won't use it as an excuse for non-payment in the event of a claim, then it's a non-issue

The better ones usually have a Australian standards mark on them.

I think the person from Ritters must have had something else on their mind.

But then again, if you had someone in the rear, it would be a bit harder to get them out in an emergency, so maybe that's where Ritters was coming from.

If no one in the rear, its the first interior accessory that should be fitted if you are carrying loose gear in your rear.

Brett.....

[rocmic]

I read somewhere that in Queensland there are legal isssues in fitting cargo barriers if there are seats in the rear.
No matter what if you have passengers in the rear you would have to remove the cargo barrier, it would be way to unsafe if you needed to get passengers out urgently.
Cheers
Mike

[phl]

They may be thinking of the dog guards being used as cargo barriers, for which they are not rated for.

I think it is illegal to have anyone in the rear passenger seats if the cargo barrier is up.

[CSBrisie]

I had assumed the seats in the back would be permanently down...I can understand its illegal if seats are up and being used, but I can't imagine anyone ever doing that :o when it's a 5 minute job to remove the cargo barrier in mine if we do need the extra seats. ;)

[Epic]

They may be thinking of the dog guards being used as cargo barriers, for which they are not rated for.

I think it is illegal to have anyone in the rear passenger seats if the cargo barrier is up.

So a dog guard is not a cargo barrier? I got the dog guard not to contain a dog but to protect the backs of our hears from flying boot contents......
How is the dog guard rated?

[TerryO]

A dog guard while not as good as a full barrier would still be far better than nothing. This thread reminds me that I really need to get a barrier given how much gear I carry in the back of the 3.

[BSM]

The better ones usually have a Australian standards mark on them.

I think the person from Ritters must have had something else on their mind.

But then again, if you had someone in the rear, it would be a bit harder to get them out in an emergency, so maybe that's where Ritters was coming from.

Brett.....

Yes, that's what Ritters were saying. They said that the fact that the barrier even offers the possibility to have passengers sitting behind it, with no means of escape makes it illegal - He did mention something about having a glass breaking hammer available might be a solution.

However, The more I look at it the more it seams that Ritters are perpetuating a myth.

The Vic Roads allowed vehicle modification list that I found here (http://www.victoriapolice4wdclub.org.au/Notices/VSI%20No%208%20Guide%20to%20modifications%20for%20 motor%20vehicles.pdf), makes no qualifications about the use of Cargo Barriers, and even more importantly, I checked with my Insurance company, and specifically asked the question whether a claim woule be denied on the basis of installing a cargo barrier in a 7 seater, and they said no. Provided that I advise them of the installation of the cargo barrier - it will be covered.

So the summary seems to be:
[1] It is legal (in Vic)
[2] Advise your insurance company
[3] Don't bother asking Ritters to do it for you. :)

[Josubaru]

Graeme, Autosafe make half height one for those that have drawers. These are custom made to fit with the drawer system in each car. perhaps they would consider making one for someone without drawers.

I'm sure I have seen somewhere a barrier that provided access through the full barrier via removable section/gate. I'll see if I can find it.

This is the kind of barrier I am looking for. A small door would work well. I have a Milford cargo barrier to fit into my Forester 2004. I was worried about my dog becoming trapped in an emergency and needed an idea to be able to get him out.

Does anyone have any photos they could show of a barrier with a gate. A much better idea than cutting my Milford in half!

[rufusking]

This is the kind of barrier I am looking for. A small door would work well.

I had one in my Adventra wagon. It was a spring loaded Perspex section in the middle about 300mm wide going from the roof section f the cargo barrier frame to the frame running across the vehicle at seat back height. To stop it rattling there were a couple of Velcro squares at each bottom corner. It was very handy when you needed to fit something long in the back.

You can see the general arrangement here.

Product Cargo Barriers - Holden - Adventra - 205900 (http://www.milford-auto.com/products/cargo_barriers/holden/adventra/205900?cpid=5014#!prettyPhoto/0/)

[Dirty3]

Yes, that's what Ritters were saying. They said that the fact that the barrier even offers the possibility to have passengers sitting behind it, with no means of escape makes it illegal - He did mention something about having a glass breaking hammer available might be a solution.
However, The more I look at it the more it seams that Ritters are perpetuating a myth.
So the summary seems to be:
[1] It is legal (in Vic)
[2] Advise your insurance company
[3] Don't bother asking Ritters to do it for you. :)

Ritters are using that old latin term "Anus Protectus"
I asked them to fit a Llams controller and straight away said it was illegal!
Well, sounds like they just don't want any litigation should an insurance claim arise. Fully understandable, but they are qualified mechanics/engineers, so wouldn't expect dingy work from them, but moreover they don't want the hassle if someone hurts themselves.

[Graeme]

I asked them to fit a Llams controller and straight away said it was illegal!
A recent post by someone implied they have revised their stance on this.

[Josubaru]

You can see the general arrangement here.

Product Cargo Barriers - Holden - Adventra - 205900 (http://www.milford-auto.com/products/cargo_barriers/holden/adventra/205900?cpid=5014#!prettyPhoto/0/)[/QUOTE]

rufusking,

Yes, that looks perfect!

Thanks for your help!!

[sniegy]

It was Ritters in Melbourne who told me it was illegal. They would not even consider an install.
Strange that a well known Landy dealer would hold that view.

I checked on VicRoads and there's no mention of restrictions for Cargo Barriers so I suppose you're right. I think I'll check with the insurance company as well, if they say its Okay, and won't use it as an excuse for non-payment in the event of a claim, then it's a non-issue

They are correct in saying that if it is the UK Dog Guard we are talking about.
It is being used as a "protective" device. It is not ADR complied to Aus regulations.
In an accident there could be issues, same scenario as the hidden winch bracketry that also isn't ADR complied.
In our spare parts system that option is not even allowed to be ordered.

Just sayin!

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[BSM]

Just an update. I decided I'd try getting a cargo net to hold down luggage in the back before I went for a cargo barrier. I figured that if it was impractical then I could always use it on the roof rack.

So I purchased a Gorrilla Net. GORILLA CARGO LOAD RESTRAINT NET (http://www.gorillanet.net.au/roof-rack-net_gorilla-cargo-load-restraint-net/). The roof rack small version is the one I got.

I hook it down onto the forward tie down points, push it out of the way onto the seat backs, load the gear in, and then roll it over the top and tie down.

It works, and is a secure tie down method, but I can't say that it's all that convenient. I will defer judgement though until I 've figured out an easier clip mechanism to the tie down hooks. The supplied carribeenas are fine for roof racks but way to clumsy for use in the back of the D3.

[BMKal]

Yes, that's what Ritters were saying. They said that the fact that the barrier even offers the possibility to have passengers sitting behind it, with no means of escape makes it illegal - He did mention something about having a glass breaking hammer available might be a solution.

However, The more I look at it the more it seams that Ritters are perpetuating a myth.

The Vic Roads allowed vehicle modification list that I found here (http://www.victoriapolice4wdclub.org.au/Notices/VSI%20No%208%20Guide%20to%20modifications%20for%20 motor%20vehicles.pdf), makes no qualifications about the use of Cargo Barriers, and even more importantly, I checked with my Insurance company, and specifically asked the question whether a claim woule be denied on the basis of installing a cargo barrier in a 7 seater, and they said no. Provided that I advise them of the installation of the cargo barrier - it will be covered.

So the summary seems to be:
[1] It is legal (in Vic)
[2] Advise your insurance company
[3] Don't bother asking Ritters to do it for you. :)

Sounds like the bloke at Ritters was talking out of his fundamental orifice.

I recently had a new Playdo 150 supplied as a work vehicle when up on site. It had a genuine Toyota cargo barrier installed AND it had third row seats (for what they are worth in a Toyota).

While I had the vehicle, Toyota actually issued a recall on vehicles fitted with their cargo barrier, as the "hammer" supplied with the barrier (it is secured in a bracket on the rear surface of the barrier) was considered not heavy enough to break the window in the event of an emergency. A visit to the nearest Toyota dealer (had to drive a few hundred km round trip to Port Hedland as they wouldn't send the replacement part out to us on site) resulted in a new, heavier, hammer being supplied and installed in the same location on the barrier.

Doubt very much if Toyota would be doing this if it was "illegal" to have a cargo barrier in a vehicle with third row seating fitted.

As others have said though, common sense (are we still allowed to use that these days :() would tell you that you shouldn't use the third row seats to carry passengers when a cargo barrier is installed - but I've seen people doing it plenty of times. We actually removed the third row, as they take up way too much space in a Toyota and are really only useful for small kids or the severely vertically challenged in any case. ;)