Finally got another

[DasLandRoverMan]

Just to upset Sitec (not really, but anyways) I thought I'd share this one.

Rather missing my old GS after rebuilding and selling, but have been too skint to be able to afford another 101, I was however offered this in part payment for a job a while back, and it finally arrived at the weekend.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/462.jpg

There's not much too it at the moment, and its missing a few bits too.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/463.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/464.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/514.jpg

Along with at least 9 layers of paint on the one body side I have.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/465.jpg

Whilst it sits on chassis number 95600530A

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/466.jpg

Details are:

Chassis no 95600530
Into build 31/12/1975
Into Dispatch 08/01/1976
GS, Colour unknown

Label 3/1

65FL03

ASSET No: 18400750
Delivered to Ashchurch Jan 76
Struck off 22/10/1992

It's very much a 'do what the hell you want' vehicle as its got as much missing.
Question is which way to go.
I've got a few V8's, auto boxes, a 101 box, and a 3.5 Mazda in the power train department, whilst a look at one of the Malcolm Whitbread coilers has also left me with some inspiration.

Leafs? Coils? Petrol? Diesel? Auto? Manual?

The one thing I am sure of is Power Steering as the steering box on there has expired.

Suggestions?

[justinc]

Isuzu 6BD1T turbo intercooled, Allison AT540 auto trans, for starters:D


JC

[Sitec]

Love it! And what he said!! Big diesel and auto..... 6Bt where you are, and check out the prices of Allison 1000 auto boxes in the States... Oh, and you'll need to take one of the leaves out if the rear and stick it under the front if you want it to stay on the road with that combo, then you will have a fairly fast 101!!! :)

[justinc]

....Or Cummins 6BT....:)


JC

[UncleHo]

I would suggest a 4BD1T with either a LT95 & O/drive or ZF 4 or 6 speed auto.also add an extra front leaf,rear to front.then it would be near original and Izusu parts are available.and the army is selling all those Perenties now.

Lots of spares

The 101 is ex signals ??? UK. Maybe ex Woomera.

[Mick_Marsh]

Don't think it got anywhere near Woomera.

It looks very much like one from the Faulkland Islands a fellow in the UK picked up quite some months ago.
I quite like the idea of coils. I wish mine had them.

Those "D" handles on the rear tub, if you ever want to toss them, I need three.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Sitec]

How does 7" coils from a 130 all round sound, on original axles with 19.5" rims and large disks on the front... Use half the original leaf spring as radius arms....

[DasLandRoverMan]

A big six cylinder diesel appeals, although the Mazda is more likely as I have it sitting, along with the 101 box.
I don't want to go throwing thousands at it, as I don't have the money available to do so.

If I go coils I'd be looking to scratch build a chassis to suit and just utilise the bodywork, kinda like this truck a mate now owns.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/07/816.jpg

Best bit being if I went that route I could get hold of a 110 as a mechanical donor and done right should be able to keep the 110's ID and save some hassle of registration.

Mick, if you want one of the bumpers with the step attached you're welcome to it. I'll throw it in the container with Juddys stuff and you can arrange to get it from him.

[Sitec]

Just got back from an RCR over here, semi decided to fall over... as they do. Anyway, while we waited for the large tow vehicle to come and stand the whole lot back on its wheels I had a good look under a Kenworth and swan neck tri axle trailer.. This got me thinking about coils and/or air on a 101. They use a heavy half leaf spring which is mounted to the chassis in front of the axle as normal. The difference being is that the spring only protrudes beyond the rear of the axle by 200mm. Here sits an air bag which locates directly under the chassis. Simple. Quick drawing enclosed for those that don't understand my description! :)

[101RRS]

Why not just weld a Defender 110 suspension system with all the proper arms etc. What you are proposing would never get a roadworthy here.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=61997&d=1371719199

[Sitec]

Wasn't planning on telling them!:twisted: it'd be nearly as much paperwork getting a coiled 101 thru, as it'd have a lot more 'additions'.. That's a good pic, who's and where is that? There was a mob who offered a bolt in coil conversion for Series vehicles in the UK, using roughly the same system I described, and it is used on most air sprung semi trailers over here.. Anyway, I don't have a 101 stood in the yard... Yet!;)

[Homestar]

Just got back from an RCR over here, semi decided to fall over... as they do. Anyway, while we waited for the large tow vehicle to come and stand the whole lot back on its wheels I had a good look under a Kenworth and swan neck tri axle trailer.. This got me thinking about coils and/or air on a 101. They use a heavy half leaf spring which is mounted to the chassis in front of the axle as normal. The difference being is that the spring only protrudes beyond the rear of the axle by 200mm. Here sits an air bag which locates directly under the chassis. Simple. Quick drawing enclosed for those that don't understand my description! :)

There's a good reason that wouldn't pass engineering or a roadworthy as Garry has suggested like it is. The front spring mount is not designed to take the entire lateral load of the axle. You would need to beef the front spring hanger up a lot or risk tearing it off the chassis. Even beefed up, I think you would would still get unacceptable lateral movement from the whole assembly without incorporating a pannard rod or similar.

I see where you're going though...:)

[Sitec]

Yeah, was thinking along the lines of a Fender 'A' frame at the rear, but then the thoughts moved on and I realised that I'd be reliant on the heavier 'half springs' to twist in a cross axle situation... something semitrailers are not designed to do! That coil conversion that garrycol posted looks very neatly done though. I then remembered that my old one rode like it was on coils anyway as it had the boat anchor in the front, the all steel hard top and radial boots.... so thought, maybe just run it as Lode Lane intended and be happy with it! Still lookin into 19.5" or 22.5" rims though. OKA's look good on the 19.5 steels...

[DasLandRoverMan]

The suspension setup from a Disco 2 or an air sprung RRC onto the 101 chassis (or a scratch built one to suit) would have similarly pleasing results?

[101 Ron]

I do have somewhere a Landrover magazine from the UK with a feature showing 2 coil sprung 101s.
They used disco axles and brakes and suspension arms.
The disco axles geared them up and provided disc brakes.
Wheels with special offset (wider track) were used to allow for the 101s extra width.
Both vehicles were apart of the 101 club in the UK.
I think one had a diesel too.

[loanrangie]

I had seen some years ago that galvanised coil chassis's were available for the 101, is this still the case ?

[Sitec]

Don't think it got anywhere near Woomera.

It looks very much like one from the Faulkland Islands a fellow in the UK picked up quite some months ago.
I quite like the idea of coils. I wish mine had them.

Those "D" handles on the rear tub, if you ever want to toss them, I need three.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=62000&stc=1&d=1371722604

Mick, when I get one, I'll b able to copy them and make a few if you want... Don't panic, they will be an exact match!

[DasLandRoverMan]

I've seen a couple of galvy coiler 101 chassis (mate in Belfast had a couple) plus the there's the Whitbread ones (the yellow one pictured is the first one) wether they're the chassis were also made by Whitbread Off Road I'm unsure.

The article sounds interesting Ron, I'd be interested to see it if it turns up.

As far as I know the only 101 chassis you can currently buy are a made to order item from 'Able Engineering' who supply all the 101 clubs repair sections.

[DasLandRoverMan]

So, some decisions made, and a bit of time spent messing getting things dissed out.
It has helped some that I've had a 101 rolling chassis sat next to a 90 one to allow some comparison work.

I'm thinking along the coil spring route, partly inspired by the rolling chassis in the 'coils anyone' thread leading me to think I could do a better job with less cocking about, also I have another chassis which would need major surgery to go back on the road with leaf springs, but some light fab work will see it as an ideal base for a coiler.
For those who are wondering the back crossmember and rear swinging shackle mounts are rotten, along with the steering relay crossmember and a few other bits, it's either this or weigh it in.

For those who haven't seen this charming 'hybrid' of Range Rover and 101 chassis in the other thread:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/07/676.jpg

As mentioned I've had a 90 rolling chassis to wave the tape measure around to compare things.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/07/677.jpg

And comparing it against the 101 in the background, along with the bare chassis I've worked out the best way to go about doing it.

First off, steering. I've got a few 4 Bolt PAS boxes hanging around, so I'm plagiarising Diddiman's (123Rover50) setup from his 6x6.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/101-forward-controls-variations/49108d1342477299-101-power-steering-img_0484.jpg

Some work with the tape measure shows that I can hang the box under the chassis with the input from the column in front of the outrigger, probably with a Rangie column up the top with a short link under the floor, might need a bit of juggling to keep the column going through the floor in a sensible position, but not a major issue. It'll require the front spring mount sawn off, but no marter as it's redundant.
Anyways, with the box hanging where I want tithe end of the drop arm will be in roughly the same place as a 110 relative to the Panhard Rod mounting, albeit 90 degrees round.
The Panhard rod bracket will also bolt through the chassis quite nicely without much work.

I've also put some thought into how to mount the Radius arms. Obviously the setup displayed above is pretty naff, so I'm looking at something a bit closer to the Whitbread trucks.
This I've worked out, and made some rough templates to have a look at what else needs to come off the chassis to fit it all together.

The front radius arm mounts can be tied into the outriggers behind the cab, whilst the rear spring mounts and body outriggers either need to be trimmed out of the way or removed completely and the tub supports remaking seperately.
The picture shows the cardboard templates and some rough drawings and measurements showing the plan.
The templates need doing in ply, slightly smaller to allow me to run round it with the plasma cutter.
The black lines show the shape of the brackets on a 90.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/07/678.jpg

Anyways, I'm hoping to find some more time to play with it and look to getting the bracketey attached and possibly throw some axles under it.

[DasLandRoverMan]

A bit of an update on nothing.

I've been messing with the doors a bit to see what I could do with them.
Hit them with a cup brush on a little grinder and eventually managed to remove something like 12 layers of paint.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/1368.jpg

They came up fairly well, although I found a big patch of bog in the drivers door covering a split in the ally.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/1369.jpg

The engine and box I got for it have turned up, still considering putting it together with a high compression 3.5 on gas as opposed to a diesel, planning on shunting the engine and box back as far as possible to help with weight distribution, considering anti roll bars also.

Sourced a pair of RRC axles (along with the reg doc for the car) so I can make it roll and will solve some problems with getting it registered for the road.

Out of interest, how do the SA authorities look at UK built/registered kit cars coming into the country as personal imports?

[Sitec]

SA authorities.... Shudder to think!! I'll tell you how a std 101 with a different (original fit) V8 that's been imported goes down at Regency Park (SA Trans authority) in a month or so... They'd have a complete meltdown with a 6Bt powered, power steered, 4" exhausted, colour changed, train horned 101.... So really don't like your chances with a coiled imported "Range Rover" that looks a little different.... Thought I'd see how I go getting mine on the road in std form then deal with how to broach the subject of 'monster diesel' conversions... Thinking 'shhhhhhh' might be the buzz word here!! As for removing paint.... Nitromoors!!! I've not seen it over here. Wear gloves, overalls and goggles. Apply in a well ventilated area and steam clean off.. Repeat in the bad areas. Got all the paint off the truck in my avatar. Going back to your 101.. You might have a better chance if you had it 'on the road' in the UK. My Golf still had to go over the pits etc and being diesel confused them too....

[DasLandRoverMan]

Inspires confidence... I suppose worst case I could always sell it and build/buy another? Probably going to be a bit of time passing between now and it becoming a problem anyways.

Back to the 101, having covered a few miles in a V8 P38 in the past few days, along with spending some time with a V8 101 and discovering gas is actually less than half the price of diesel at the minute I'm pretty much convinced that when it comes to fitting an engine then it's gonna be a V8!!!

The plan is to copy the Whitbread ones and shunt the engine and box backwards a bit (I think 8-10 inches is the magic number) as its supposed to give an improvement in weight distribution. According to my mate with the LHD one it feels a lot better at higher speeds.

Fuel wise I'm thinking run it LPG only, it solves the problem of the fuel tank being a bit dubious (and I hate the filler neck setup) plus there's plenty of space to fit a reserve tank, just in case.
It also fits with the use what I've got nature of the build, which includes a 100 litre barrel tank (which is full) that came out of the 110 I rebodied my one with.

With the engine I'm gonna run it with an efi manifold/plenum and a gas mixer on the end, mostly because I've got the bits, and I believe it's a more efficient setup than mixers on a twin carb setup.

Many plans, lots of ideas, now just need the time to knuckle down and do some work on it. When I've got everyone else's out of the way...

[bobslandies]

Inspires confidence... I suppose worst case I could always sell it and build/buy another? Probably going to be a bit of time passing between now and it becoming a problem anyways.

Back to the 101, having covered a few miles in a V8 P38 in the past few days, along with spending some time with a V8 101 and discovering gas is actually less than half the price of diesel at the minute I'm pretty much convinced that when it comes to fitting an engine then it's gonna be a V8!!!:D:D

The plan is to copy the Whitbread ones and shunt the engine and box backwards a bit (I think 8-10 inches is the magic number) as its supposed to give an improvement in weight distribution. According to my mate with the LHD one it feels a lot better at higher speeds.

Is there going to be a great improvement in ride and handling by going to coils when you have the weight back a bit further? Would that make the parabolics not work better too?

Fuel wise I'm thinking run it LPG only, it solves the problem of the fuel tank being a bit dubious (and I hate the filler neck setup) plus there's plenty of space to fit a reserve tank, just in case.
It also fits with the use what I've got nature of the build, which includes a 100 litre barrel tank (which is full) that came out of the 110 I rebodied my one with.

With the engine I'm gonna run it with an efi manifold/plenum and a gas mixer on the end, mostly because I've got the bits, and I believe it's a more efficient setup than mixers on a twin carb setup.

Many plans, lots of ideas, now just need the time to knuckle down and do some work on it. When I've got everyone else's out of the way...

Sounds a good set-up.

Bob

[101RRS]

The plan is to copy the Whitbread ones and shunt the engine and box backwards a bit (I think 8-10 inches is the magic number) as its supposed to give an improvement in weight distribution.

The rear driveshaft already operates outside Uj design parameters - how do do you intend to deal with this if the gearbox is moved back further increasing shaft angles even further. One option is to lower the engine gearbox unit a few inches - but interested on your thoughts on this.

Garry

[DasLandRoverMan]

There's a few things that will make a difference.

First off, when I ran the auto box in my old GS the engine remained in its original position, with a longer front prop, and a shorter rear running a steeper angle. It eliminated the front prop rumble, whilst the rear didn't give any trouble in the 5,000miles I ran it, widget same could've been said for the wiring...

Anyways, the factors which will make it different:

1. Rangie axles (running 4.7 diffs) yes not as tough as the originals, but discs all round, and no need to mod the suspension mountings. Added bonus, the nose of the diff is approx 2 inches shorter than the Salisbury.

2. I've based my measurements on using the 90/Rangie suspension setup on the 101 chassis, using the top of the main rail as the datum, measuring this against a 101 it'll sit approx 20-25mm lower than a standard truck.

3. I think to get the engine and box back where I want it then it'll have to drop and inch or so at the back anyways.

By that logic I can't see the prop angle being any worse than a lifted 90, with which a wide angle (like an earlier Rangie) prop will cope with happily.

Bob, part of the reason I'm going coils is because I don't have a full set of springs for the 101, plus I fancy the challenge of making the coil setup work.

Wolf rims on a 101? Gotta be cool.

[bobslandies]

What about:

130 coil Front end (higher weight carrying capacity probably towards 101 capacity) with ventilated discs, basically stronger version of RR;

Lower the transmission/engine assembly to get a better rear shaft angle,

Or suitably lengthen the chassis which would give you a bit more room and no real disadvantages;

Leaf suspension from the 101 rear but fit a disc braked later 110 Salisbury to it, saves all the messing around with the rear coil suspension, A arms, etc. giving you same f&r track and heaps stronger with a proven suspension. (Don't weld the spring perches until you have the weight of your body, load, etc to get a mid point of the spring compression to determine the best diff nose angle);

Suitable ratio change, either differentials or transfer case;

4.0L EFI engine on LPG/Petrol with switchable mapping for both.

You could fit Wolf rims or maybe more original looking - LR F/C 2B Rims making the widest track - getting close to the 101.

Bob

[Sitec]

Agreed bobslandies, run a 110/130 Salisbury in the rear with the 4.7:1 ratio and the nose lifted. I ran 4.7's initially in my V8 off roader, and they were forever breaking! Ended up running 3.5's and a 1.667:1 transfer case just to stop the diffs breaking. The gearbox in my Nissan powered 101 went back 150mm and the rumble disappeared. Rear prop gave no issues either. Still yet to see where the handbrake drum will be with the Cummins.... Prob somewhere between the rear axle and rear x member!! :D

[DasLandRoverMan]

Interesting and valid points on all counts.

However, there are a few reasons I'm thinking the way I am, mostly to do with spending as little money as possible on the project (born in Yorkshire, live in Scotland, I'm the thrifty sort) so utilising stuff I have already, or making sure anything I do buy is as cheap as possible.

I'm not too concerned about breaking shafts as it's not gonna be an extreme off roader, whilst the idea behind the 4.7's is they should work ok with the 101 box and a set of bargrips (****loads of em, might as well make use) whilst selling the 3.54's coming out of the axles should sell well enough to cover the cost of em, and nobody wants 4.7's so there's plenty of em available for nothing.

I'll be humble about it if it all cocks up.

[chazza]

Fuel wise I'm thinking run it LPG only, it solves the problem of the fuel tank being a bit dubious (and I hate the filler neck setup) plus there's plenty of space to fit a reserve tank, just in case.
It also fits with the use what I've got nature of the build, which includes a 100 litre barrel tank (which is full) that came out of the 110 I rebodied my one with.

With the engine I'm gonna run it with an efi manifold/plenum and a gas mixer on the end, mostly because I've got the bits, and I believe it's a more efficient setup than mixers on a twin carb setup.



Sounds like heaps of fun! :D

Have you heard about the Blos carburettor for mixing LPG? They are available on eBay but I haven't used one. Blos Propane Carburetor LPG Carb Mixer Better Performance AND Mileage | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/320994547616'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648)

I have just bought a Megajolt ignition system for one of my cars and a Megasquirt for the Disco. On the Disco it has had the MS built with two ignition maps - one for gas and one for petrol.

Have a read of these websites and being a handy chap with lots of suitable donor cars near you, you should be able to source the components for chicken-feed.
Main Page - Autosport Labs (http://www.autosportlabs.net/Main_Page)
ExtraEFI.co.uk HOME (http://www.extraefi.co.uk/)

My Megajolt system cost me about $800 for everything new but the MJ controller was only about $300 and it is possible to make your own :D

Cheers Charlie

[DasLandRoverMan]

Interesting. Might be worth considering something different once it's on the road (wherever that might be) but for now its stay simple and use what I've got.

Anyways, I actually did something with it today. The caravan it's been sitting behind has been removed as my brother in law is no longer living in it, and the 101 has come out from round the side of the house, and had the body removed.

Rolling chassis, yet to decide what to do with it, although blast off and sell on seems a good choice.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/1078.jpg

The wee ones have taken quite a shine to it. At present it's their 'racing car', take note for your fluid reservoirs Stuee.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/1079.jpg

I hung the doors on to keep them happy and all. One thing that did seem a little wierd was the amount of space the body took up on its own. They seem smaller built up?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/1080.jpg

Anyways, the wife has volunteered to help strip and paint it, whilst I've been granted outline permission to spend some time getting the chassis done. Woohoo!!!

[Sitec]

If that chassis matches that body, and you have the log book for it that's the way I'd be going.... Come out here with that as 'your' car, the 110 as your partners car, and a coil sprung chassis in the container with it... Once here and its on the road if you still want to go down the 'coils' route, then the coil chassis can assume the role underneath the 101 and you'll have a very sellable rolling chassis here..... Between me and Offender90 we have two Defender front axles and two Defender rear axles (one a Salisbury) in stock! Just my thoughts.. :). Each time I look at that pic of the 101 body on the floor I have images of a 'sleeper'... Think thats what they call a car or ute that's had the suspension dumped over here... Suppose to look cool or something. Can just picture half a 22" mag visible under those arches with an inch of tyre between it and the road!!! seating might be an issue tho!!!! You'd need the pearlescent paint to go with it tho.....

[DasLandRoverMan]

Unfortunately I don't have any paperwork for the truck, its never been registered, and seems to have been a spares truck since demob.

Add in the fact the rear axle is missing shafts:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/1029.jpg

It's missing a spring and will likely need the front axle giving a serious going over:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/1030.jpg

Other bits like the limiting valve are gone:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/1031.jpg

And the steering box will only operate one way due to needing a rebuild:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/1032.jpg

My reckoning is there's more time and money to be spent on it finding parts required as I'd be as well buying a more complete truck, which I can't really justify, hence the build it up from what I've got idea.
Worst case it can come apart and ship it into the country in bits, perhaps grabbing a few bits (like axles) locally so as not to arouse too much suspicion?

I do like the idea of a low rider 101 though, perhaps not 22" rims, but a set of 18" Rangie rims could be made to work? Perhaps utilising a Jag 6 and running gear? Now I'm having ideas.

*ten minutes messing around with parts and taking photos*

Ok, so 6.50's are a bit smaller than Rangie wheels, but you get the idea.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/1033.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/1034.jpg

So it's never gonna be 2 inches off the ground, and 4WD would probably complicate it a little, but the concept does have potential.
The wife thinks it's a silly idea though.

[Sitec]

That's funny as!!! Laughing like hell over here now! I was actually joking but it would be funny to do!! Pity about the chassis but hey ho!

[DasLandRoverMan]

Well, the low rider idea has been binned, although there has been very little progress on the project due to my 110 having the engine swopped (wasn't planned, just kinda happened) to get it back on the road forte wife's use as I found some rather large holes in the chassis of the Disco when giving it a once over for its MOT.

I have however done a little bit of shopping and managed to pick up a few bits and pieces, the first lot of which arrived today.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/95.jpg

A set of Genuine Land Rover Wolf rims (tube type) with some good quality tubes to go with em, might as well have something decent to go on the 5 stud axles...
They'll get thrown in for sandblasting then the mrs can paint em, when I've settled on the final colour for the body, as they'll be matching.

[DasLandRoverMan]

So, the 110 is back on the road again, whilst spare time in the workshop is currently tied up getting the Disco welded up again.
I have however bought up a few bits and pieces so I at least feel like I'm doing something with the 101.

First up, a Rangie rolling chassis to rob the axles and a few other bits from, it's also going to donate a fairly large portion of one of the main rails to the Disco.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/1101.jpg

Wolf rim No5 has arrived.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/1102.jpg

I bought an engine cover on eBay for 99p

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/1103.jpg

A clutch pedal and master cylinder

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/1104.jpg

Gear lever gator

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/1105.jpg

And a gear lever and linkage.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/1106.jpg

All this to go with the engine and gearbox which I grabbed for next to nothing.
Now to finish the Disco, and I might get round to cutting some metal.

[Sitec]

Good work!!! 99p!! Daylight robbery! Gutted also that the Low Rider has been scrapped!!:D I see its a LHD engine cover... Heater duct is on the wrong side, and the warning plates read from the pax side.... There was a windscreen for sale on the 'other' forum but he was only selling to members..

[DasLandRoverMan]

I noticed it's a LHD cover, but the heater duct is coming off anyways, and at the money...
I do have a windscreen frame for it, but it will need new glass...

Anyways, progress!!!!
I had my minion in today, so got on with a few jobs that are easier with 2 people, including sawing up the RRC chassis, and then got him to start pulling the diffs as someone wants to buy them.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/823.jpg

Front axle came out without too much of a fight.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/824.jpg

And the remains of the chassis waiting to have the spring seats and a few other bits removed for the 101, whilst the rest of the main rail is going to be used to sort out the rusty chassis on the wife's disco.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/825.jpg

We also found a lesser spotted 'Tyre Dwelling Frog'

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/826.jpg

A lowrider might happen eventually, will have to wait until I'm living somewhere sunny enough to be able to drive round too less all year round...

[DasLandRoverMan]

Not much happened with this recently, other projects and paying work have taken priority.

The plan has changed a bit though, mostly because Scotty (Spongie) sent me an eBay link to a set of 101 springs for £50 buy it now, and I couldn't resist temptation.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/1403.jpg

So, in order to make registration easier I'm looking at going leaf sprung, but still thinking on the idea of Rangie axles for all round discs etc as I'm in need of a few parts to get the Salisburys usable.

That's it for now...

[DasLandRoverMan]

So, despite now having a full set of springs to be able to do a leaf sprung 101, I found myself with a few hours free, with some bits of chassis a few grinding discs and the welder.

Started off removing some excess brackets, specifically the ones for the limiting valve, and the exhaust hanger, which would be in the way of the a frame crossmember.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/844.jpg

The bump stop brackets are right on the axle centreline, this was then given a nick with the grinder both sides to mark it. The bump stop bracket was then sawn off.

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One spring mount tacked on.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/846.jpg

And t'other...

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And the A Frame crossmember in, and sat up on the rear springs.
Next step is sort the radius arm mounts.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/848.jpg

I'll take a few more pictures tomorrow.
The strap is holding the radius arms up until I get the brackets made.

[Sitec]

It'd be b nice to have another 101 sat in the yard so you can take measurements of it sat with body on to get an accurate axle position.... The reason I say this is because I thought about coiling the one I had in the UK... I'd settled on 110 rear 7" coils all around, with a small scallop in the chassis to allow the coil to sit into the rail. My vague memory tells me that to get the 101 to 'look right' on coils with its original elevated stance, those top spring mounts need to be lower than flush with the chassis top.... Just looking across my yard there's my 101, and Bojan's 110 sat behind it... The 110 with 265/75's has the top of the tyre flush with the top of the chassis rail/coil mount.. The 101 with the 255/100's has the top of the tyre about 20mm above the line of the chassis rail top. Going with the larger tyre size, that'd mean your coil tops need to be approx 50mm below the line of the top flat on the chassis rail.... Be worth finding out now..... or you might end up with that Low Rider after all! If ya need measurements of a GS that's std (for now) give one of us a hoy! :)

[spongie]

Think he's still got a spare 101 laying around ;-)

[Sitec]

Is that not on the high seas headed to its unknown new owner yet......? ;)

[DasLandRoverMan]

Still being painted. Should be heading over some time this month if all goes to plan...

I'll snap a few more photos in better light today, there's a set of IIB rims wrapped in 9.00x16's hiding behind the workshop, so I'll try them and see how it all lines up.
There's plenty of space in the arches if it is going to sit lower, and slightly reduced centre of gravity won't hurt it, worst case I can fit a lift kit :D

More later...

[DasLandRoverMan]

Took a few more pictures today, using a Camac 9.00x16 on a IIB rim.
First off, as it currently sitting with worn out 7.50x16's, just short of 2 inches below the top of the chassis.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/743.jpg

From the inside with a 9.00x16 on. It's about 3/4" above the top of the chassis with a 34" tyre.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/744.jpg

I know it's going to sit a little lower with the engine and box in and the body on etc, but the Rangies self leveller is still there, so I doubt it will drop much. The front mounts will be going on 2" lower relative to where they were on the Rangie which should cancel out the weight of the cab, and leave it sitting level.

With the IIB rim the offset is right to have the outside of the tyres flush with the body, the IIB rims are the same offset as the Wolf rims I have for it.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/745.jpg

Looks slightly strange, but cool all the same.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/746.jpg

[DasLandRoverMan]

Had a bit more of a play with it this afternoon, cut the front spring mounts off the remains of the Rangie chassis and looked at attaching them to the 101 chassis.
As with the back end the bump stop was sawn off, and the axle centreline marked, with the cab mounting bracket that's in the way removed (to be sorted later) and the old front shock absorber mount cut off, and the mounting plate on the outside cut back to clear the spring seat.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/657.jpg

Welded the spring seat on, and the axle stuck under it.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/658.jpg

As it sits with the Rangie front springs, and no weight on it. It should level out, or be ever so slightly nose down with the cab on and engine and gearbox in.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/659.jpg

Gonna have to put a bit of thought into the steering setup, currently toying with the idea of turning the front crossmember 180 degrees (to put the steering relay on the right side) and use a Dodge 50 PAS box. Either that or a 4 bolt Disco box mounted with the input shaft facing upward.
I also need to swop the panhard rod over to the RHD position, a d change the left hand swivel housing for one with a steering arm on it as the Rangie it came from was a left hooker.

Wether the front Anti Roll bar will in the 101 position is questionable, partly depending on steering setup, and also how to mount it to the axle as at present it's rather close to the springs.

[DasLandRoverMan]

Did the other side today, clamped the panhard rod bracket on at the front also.
Sorting the radius arm brackets is next, although its getting shoved outside tomorrow as I need the space for a paying job.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/501.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/502.jpg

Once the suspension setup is all sorted then I'll get on with repairing the cab outriggers and tidying up the rear crossmember after that.

[DasLandRoverMan]

Not done much to it recently, but a bit of good fortune might see some progress made.

Now I've got a full set of springs for it, along with picking up all the bits I need to make a working back axle (cheap enough it would've been rude not to) plus the fact the leaf spring chassis is in pretty good nick has led me to the conclusion building on that is going to be the way forward for now as trying to find time to get the other chassis into the workshop and make any further progress is proving a little difficult at the moment, damn these paying customers!!!

But anyways, some work to do a Power Steering conversion without chopping huge chunks out of the front end of the chassis.
I've also got a complete wiring loom out of a Discovery, so being cheap thrifty, I'm looking at how easily I can adapt that -and the heater core/blower- into the 101 cab.

Engine wise I've been gifted a Mazda T4100 (equivilant) with an adapter kit - pulled out of a 101 to fit a 2.8 daihatsu!?!?- and have the list of bits required to fit the turbo from a Perkins Phaser on the back, so whilst not a Cummins, it should fly, and still have that six cylinder roar.

I'm gonna keep going with the coil sprung chassis, when I find time, mosty because I've started so it'd be good to get it finished, but as I'd like to have it drivable sometime in the next few years using a sound chassis with no re engineering is probably a simpler way to start.

[Sitec]

Engine wise I've been gifted a Mazda T4100 (equivilant) with an adapter kit - pulled out of a 101 to fit a 2.8 daihatsu!?!?- and have the list of bits required to fit the turbo from a Perkins Phaser on the back, so whilst not a Cummins, it should fly, and still have that six cylinder roar.

Now we're talkin! Didn't know Mazda did a 6 so had to go Google it! Any ideas what's wrong with it, as removing a 6 to fit a 2.8 Daihatsu seems stupid... Anything under 3500cc in a 101 just ain't enough!!!

[DasLandRoverMan]

Nothing wrong with it as far as I know, and the turbo conversion seems a good idea whilst I'm at it.
Worst case as it has a Perkins equivalent all the parts are available and should be relatively cheap.

Simply put, it's a biggish six, and was free, which already leaves it ahead of a Tdi.

[Sitec]

Nothing wrong with it as far as I know, and the turbo conversion seems a good idea whilst I'm at it.
Worst case as it has a Perkins equivalent all the parts are available and should be relatively cheap.

Simply put, it's a biggish six, and was free, which already leaves it ahead of a Tdi.

Should go well. Sound sweet too! Here's a pic I found on Google of one turboed... Its not that clear but you get the gist!

[101 Ron]

the Mazda six is a jap copy of a perkins and parts do interchange.
The same motor was used in Australia in a truck called the ford trader.
They are good motors in standard form, but not as powerful as the later generation of diesels

[DasLandRoverMan]

I've been playing about a bit more and entertained some thoughts on the steering setup.
The standard type steering box that it came with can only be described as bollocksed. Used ones are expensive -and go against my low cost mantra- and we're always something of a weak link anyways.

The more I see of them the less I think of the 'standard' conversion utilising a 4 bolt adwest box, so I decided to find a better solution, and it appeared a lot closer than I expected.

The engine I'm using is coming out of a Dodge 50 series truck, which had a swing arm steering setup similar to the 101.
The truck with the engine has a PAS setup, but I borrowed a non-PAS box from my mates parts stash. Both types are physically the same size and attach to the same mountings.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/02/53.jpg (http://s460.photobucket.com/user/DasLandRoverMan/media/101%20No2/20140222_091734.jpg.html)

Like the 101 box it's a Burmen unit, although somewhat larger.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/02/54.jpg (http://s460.photobucket.com/user/DasLandRoverMan/media/101%20No2/20140222_091859.jpg.html)

Beneficially it fits in the space vacated by the 101 box rather well, and better still, the UJ you can see in the picture is a standard Disco/Defender item.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/02/55.jpg (http://s460.photobucket.com/user/DasLandRoverMan/media/101%20No2/20140226_162929.jpg.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/02/56.jpg (http://s460.photobucket.com/user/DasLandRoverMan/media/101%20No2/20140226_163115.jpg.html)


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/02/57.jpg (http://s460.photobucket.com/user/DasLandRoverMan/media/101%20No2/20140226_163021.jpg.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/02/58.jpg (http://s460.photobucket.com/user/DasLandRoverMan/media/101%20No2/20140226_163124.jpg.html)

as you can see in the pictures the 101 drop arm won't fit the Dodge box. Helpfully the Dodge arm is of similar length to the 101 item, but will require a Dodge ball joint in the small drag link as the joint is bigger, but the short link on the 101 has 3/4 diameter threads, the same as dodge joint.

Mounting wise I plan to use the 3 bolts that held the original, along with the other 2 on the bracket to mount a plate (prolly 20mm) to fill the gap between box and chassis, drilled and tapped so it can be bolted to the the chassis from the drop arm side, then another 3 holes for the lugs on the box, perhaps adding another tab to line up with one of the bolts on the end cap.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/02/59.jpg (http://s460.photobucket.com/user/DasLandRoverMan/media/101%20No2/20140226_164300.jpg.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/02/60.jpg (http://s460.photobucket.com/user/DasLandRoverMan/media/101%20No2/20140226_164016.jpg.html)

In the cab I plan to use a Defender column and wheel as per other PAS conversions, however If I get it right It'll present a viable option for a stronger manual or power steering option for a 101 without bastardising the front end of the chassis as with other conversions.
The biggest benefit for me is that everything is there with the engine to do the job, and I should only need to get some new pipes between box and pump made up.

[101 Ron]

It looks like the way to go.
Can you show us a picture of the dodge truck model the steering box came from.
I am wondering if we in Australia used a similar model with the same steering box.
Ron

[DasLandRoverMan]

Some further reading on the Dodge 50.

Dodge50.co.uk clicky (http://www.dodge50.co.uk/)

Dodge 50 Series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Certainly plenty in the UK if there was demand for the parts.

[101RRS]

I assume the output shaft of the steering box turns the right way? I thought the Jeep Wrangler box would go in well in the standard position but the output shaft turns the wrong way and there is not much chance changing arms or position to make it work.

Apparently the steering box out of an early 80s Leyland smallbus/white van (LDV??) (similar size and shape as a Ford Transit) will go straight in with some modification - can't remember the name of the vehicle but I used to be carried around in one when I worked with the RN in Portsmouth - in the early 80s.

Garry

[roobar_and_custard]

Ahhh... the Leyland "Sherpa"... Another quality Leyland product.:D

[Sitec]

Something like this Garry..... LDV Convoy Power Steering Box with Drop Arm | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LDV-Convoy-Power-Steering-Box-with-Drop-Arm-/300928043615) As for the Sherpa's... Right up there with Alegro's, Maxi's, Maestro's etc... Uuurrrrrrggggggghhhhh! Makes me shiver!! :D

[DasLandRoverMan]

Must admit I don't mind Sherpas, the V8 ones were quite good, whilst the transit engined ones were actually better vans than the equivalent Ford.
Quaintly the one job you didn't want to get stuck with on them was changing a steering box, it is actually easier to cut the chassis rail its mounted through off, and weld a new one in.

I do believe the Sherpa box has been fitted to a 101, but it's a bloody big lump in comparison to the Dodge one, and the original drop arm is too short to be of use, whilst the 101 arm will not fit, the solution I saw involved welding the splined portion of the Sherpa arm into the 101 arm.

There's a guy in the UK fitted a Jeep box to his 101, along with a wood burner setup to run the engine on wood gas, I believe the thread is still on the UK club forum.
I recall his solution to the box turning the wrong way was to rotate the drop arm on the bottom of the steering idler 180 degrees, this did however mean that turning the steering too far left meant that the arm and drag link ended up in a straight line and couldn't be brought back round without assistance underneath.
The drivers floor panel was also beaten upwards some to.clear the steering arm.

The Dodge box turns in the right directions to suit the 101 installation.
I'll need to check, but the RB44 may use the same PAS box as the Dodge, seeing as it was based on the Dodge chassis cab and engine.

[DasLandRoverMan]

Well, instead of messing about with parts, I actually did something constructive with it.
Having polybushed a 110 yesterday morning I decided to indulge myself for an hour or so and sort out the front crossmember for the 101.

As you can see in this picture its rather bent and twisted around the drivers side headlight.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/514.jpg (http://s460.photobucket.com/user/DasLandRoverMan/media/101%20No2/346E6F24-3EAA-4D2D-B436-B60C08690191-799-0000004957B8A501.jpg.html)

Having wire brushed the paint -and a decent sized patch of filler (I believe it's referred to as bog down under?)- you can see its had a repair added in the past, and just how bent it actually is.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/515.jpg (http://s460.photobucket.com/user/DasLandRoverMan/media/101%20No2/20140321_153305.jpg.html)

Anyways, some time spent over the anvil with a couple of hammers saw things improve some, whilst the bottom corner was removed with the grinder to allow it to be straightened out properly. After that it was welded back in, along with a little extra around the old repair that had cracked around the edges during the 'beat it flat with a big hammer' process.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/516.jpg (http://s460.photobucket.com/user/DasLandRoverMan/media/101%20No2/20140321_162246.jpg.html)

All ground off and it actually looks quite presentable, and shouldn't draw too much, if any attention to itself once painted.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/517.jpg (http://s460.photobucket.com/user/DasLandRoverMan/media/101%20No2/20140321_162649.jpg.html)

More plans afoot, but need to offload some bits to free up some cash to buy more.

Anyone want a 101 engine and box?

[Gritstoner]

I do believe the Sherpa box has been fitted to a 101, but it's a bloody big lump in comparison to the Dodge one, and the original drop arm is too short to be of use, whilst the 101 arm will not fit, the solution I saw involved welding the splined portion of the Sherpa arm into the 101 arm.The LDV Pilot box is a substantial unit but can be fitted nicely, I've seen a couple done this way and I'm gathering bits together to do mine eventually.

I understand the NTC9236 drop arm fits onto the LDV box splines.

[Sitec]

I'm prob still going to go for the Land Rover 4 bolt type, as I have one, and can get the bits over here... LDV's are something that don't exist over here. :)

[bed_bug]

The one thing I am sure of is Power Steering as the steering box on there has expired.

Suggestions?

ICS (http://www.ics-steeringspecialist.co.uk/) in the UK have a stock of Worms and Nuts. They will refurb on your box but you could ask if they'd just sell the parts?

Or.... do you just want power steering anyway? :D

Steve

[DasLandRoverMan]

Considering selling at the moment as I've decided I really want a IIB FC.

Would there be any interest from down under?

[DasLandRoverMan]

Well, it's been a while...
Not much has happened with the 101 in the past 8 months or so. It made a brief appearance in 'Classic Land Rover Magazine' around June/July but otherwise nothing much to report in terms of progress.

I've been somewhat distracted by a split from the wife, which has left me needing a new windscreen for the truck, along with need to spend quite a bit of time sorting out my 110 to make it roadworthy again.
I can say firsthand that what's said about a woman scorned is quite true, although in this instance a lot of accusations without any actual grounding have left me with a bit of a mess to clean up.

As some of you may be aware I have done a little bit of 101'ing in the interim with this rather yellow example getting it sorted out and ready to head down under;

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/06/394.jpg (http://s460.photobucket.com/user/DasLandRoverMan/media/20140805_121436.jpg.html)

Along with trying to keep myself busy I've also decided that a return to full time employment was probably the best way forward for me, and I started a new job teaching engineering at a College in Cumbria at the begining of January.

Obviously employment means money, so I'm going to be able to put some time and money towards actually getting the 101 done.
I've tracked down a properly shaped roll bar, along with a full set of rear body sides for it, and even have the rest of the bits (sharktooth rail and the pieces that go above the doors) lined up.

At present I'm pondering a Nissan RD28 (I bought one of those too) with the LT95 or a Toyota 1ZU-FE V8 and Autobox to make it go.
Eventually a Disc brake setup and PAS is also on the list, but as it's unregistered I need to be a bit careful with mods whilst building it to prevent it ending up on a Q plate for being to far modified from original spec.

Just to finish, here's a picture of my old GS out in the snow.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/03/1336.jpg (http://s460.photobucket.com/user/DasLandRoverMan/media/101%20in%20the%20snow/IMG_0161.jpg.html)

[Mick_Marsh]

Good to hear from you.
Yes. That yellow one has been sighted in the southern latitudes.

[Sitec]

And the new owner loves it too!!! Welcome back Dave! :)