The great defender vs discovery debate

[herrBlick]

This is for the people who don't get the international magazine. I found it very helpful in making my mind up even after replacing my transmission.
Testing between discovery 3 (2005-2009)and 110 defender TDCi 2401cc,(2007-2012) carried out by Land Rover International magazine
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[herrBlick]

More graphic images
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[sheerluck]

Good job you posted this thread in the D3/D4/RRS forum, the muddy boot brigade won't come in here.

And strictly speaking, the Disco can't manage a 45 degree gradient, unless your Latte cup is less than half full. ;)

[isuzurover]

That isn't testing, that is just comparing manufacturer specs.

I love the bit about beam axles on the defender mean it will never match the D3 offroad :D

[rb30gtr]

haha great stuff!

D3 110 miles per hour, hmm somewhere around 170ish KPH. Pretty sure (rumors only) the D3 TDV6 will do more like 130 mph.

[herrBlick]

There there....I think they have been very even handed
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[rb30gtr]

There there....I think they have been very even handed
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Seems non bias to me..

[herrBlick]

Good job you posted this thread in the D3/D4/RRS forum, the muddy boot brigade won't come in here.

And strictly speaking, the Disco can't manage a 45 degree gradient, unless your Latte cup is less than half full. ;)

I also found my trailer for the Simpson this week 62175

[goingbush]

yes the muddy boot brigade is here too


There there....I think they have been very even handed
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More car for your money, ...... hmmmm
Buy a Discovery and get a car

With the same money you can buy a 110 and a 90 and get 2 Defenders

[sheerluck]

I also found my trailer for the Simpson this week 62175

Yep. Those vases and art nouveau lamps will be handy in the desert :p

[vnx205]

Did they measure the usable storage space inside?

Did they consider how well a hose removes mud left in the vehicle from muddy boots?

Did they test how stable a hot cup of tea is when balanced on the mudguard?

Did they consider the fact that the Defender comes in a range of variants, one of which allows you to fit a Trayon camper on the back.

If not, then the comparison had serious shortcomings. :p

[goingbush]

That trailer will go prefect behind your new Jeep

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[isuzurover]

There there....I think they have been very even handed
62172

WTF??? So one is more car for your money, the other is more landrover for your money??? Talk about an oxymoron.

I am reminded why I stopped buying Landrover magazines.

[Redback]

haha great stuff!

D3 110 miles per hour, hmm somewhere around 170ish KPH. Pretty sure (rumors only) the D3 TDV6 will do more like 130 mph.


I squash that rumour, I've had my D4 up to 140kph without any trouble, I reckon 170kp would be doable, need a lot of room though

[rb30gtr]

That trailer will go prefect behind your new Jeep

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

That is genius!

[sheerluck]

That is genius!

They've even got the build quality right - 5 of them standing around with the bonnet up. :D

[herrBlick]

WTF??? So one is more car for your money, the other is more landrover for your money??? Talk about an oxymoron.

I am reminded why I stopped buying Landrover magazines.

Come come I think the point they are making is they have great love for the old tool box as do I, I have a real soft spot for the defender, I came so close to buying one and agonised over it for ages, I wish sometimes I did, especially when I got the bill for the reconditioned transmission,
This has actually brought me closer to my car which I know is partly down to the extra investment but the thing is that The discovery 3 is exactly right for me,
It was my first car,
I got a automatic license,(at 40)
I wanted to be adventurous
I wanted park in my multi storey car park across from work
I'm not a macho man by any stretch ( hairdresser infact )
I'm not mechanical at all
It was a choice of a new defender or a 2007 disco 3,
I am a big fan of the prospeed aesthetic, which I think gives the disco the edge in the good looks department
http://www.flickr.com/photos/prospeed/8579961430/


I also know that the discovery 4 is better and so will the discovery 5 and probably the new defender will be better, and so on........
What I'm saying is that my discovery 3 is right for me at the moment, and I feel that it is great value for the enabling technology,that
has seen a almost Learner up mt Pinnbar , traipse (I'm from Belfast) all over the high country and scoot along the Coorong,
I don't think I would have made it in a Defender due to my inexperience in four wheel driving.
But maybe I might have enjoyed it more who knows ?????

[justinc]

There is no debate necessary......:D


JC

[herrBlick]

There is no debate necessary......:D


JC

Will you get a new defender when it comes out Justin?

[Chops]

The choice was easy,,, Defender's rule,, :cool:

[Tombie]

I squash that rumour, I've my D4 up to 140kph without any trouble, I reckon 170kp would be doable, need a lot of room though

It is... Easily...

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Plenty left in it at that point.

[Rohan]

It is... Easily...

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Plenty left in it at that point.

That was good of your passenger to lean across & take the photo :)

[herrBlick]

It is... Easily...

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Plenty left in it at that point.

Holy **** balls

[TerryO]

http://lrocv.com.au/forum/download/file.php?id=164


Argh! ...you found the top secret Defender photo's that weren't meant for public release. Look everyone knows Land Rover have been doing secret testing of the new Defender in Africa over the last two years.

To throw everyone off the trail they just wrote Jeep on the side of it to disguise what it is. ...;)

Actually must admit it looks better than the present Defender ...looks just as reliable as well. ...:eek:

[scarry]

To throw everyone off the trail they just wrote Jeep on the side of it to disguise what it is. ...;)

...:eek:

And confuse the journalists.:D

[discotwinturbo]

I don't knock defenders....I need my mates defender with his winch to pull me out a bog holes when I go a little slow and a little too deep.

Brett...

[TerryO]

I don't knock defenders....I need my mates defender with his winch to pull me out a bog holes when I go a little slow and a little too deep.

Brett...


Bloody hell Brett ...please don't encourage the Defender riff raff. ...:angel:

[beefy]

I don't knock defenders....I need my mates defender with his winch to pull me out a bog holes when I go a little slow and a little too deep.

Brett...

I wonder which mate that was brett.

[discotwinturbo]

I wonder which mate that was brett.

Ummm....must have been you!

Here is a pic of a another mate being the anchor for a bogged defender. And a pic of a defender towing a disco up Callcup!

Good days with defenders and discos out playing. I like our arrangement.

I found out when I left the 65th anniversary display why they did not let me park my D4 there....They said I was too dirty...pfffft!

Brett......

[TerryO]

Thanks for that Brett, must admit It is always sad when one sees pictures of a another Defender stuck in 6 inches of water. ...:wasntme: :angel:

Obviously the D4 got through the little puddle before the Defender got stuck ...;)

[FeatherWeightDriver]

Actually must admit it looks better than the present Defender ...looks just as reliable as well. ...:eek:

Not sure about that, but the wading depth is definitely better... :angel:

[Chops]

Bloody hell Brett ...please don't encourage the Defender riff raff. ...:angel:

ummm,, hello :eek:,,, we're right here you know,, ;)

[Celtoid]

Emmm

A friend of of friend on a very straight road that was once an airfield says he's often had his 3.0l D4 up to 190 indicated.

For some strange reason I believe him!!!

[TerryO]

ummm,, hello :eek:,,, we're right here you know,, ;)


What was that? ...did I hear a faint feeble noise from the direction of the Defender section? ...:angel:

[Celtoid]

What was that? ...did I hear a faint feeble noise from the direction of the Defender section? ...:angel:

Geez, you are a pooh stirrer....:p

[justinc]

Will you get a new defender when it comes out Justin?

errr, no. very happy with my 1985 edition thanks :)


jc

[SBD4]

Geez, you are a pooh stirrer....:p

.....and this is how he stirs it :D

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/194.jpg

[beefy]

it was very muddy in the hole and no the d4 took a side track.

[rb30gtr]

Love my Disco..

But having never driven one Id love to have a go in a Deefer! I am starting to see a heap of them around

[jonesy63]

Love my Disco..

But having never driven one Id love to have a go in a Deefer! I am starting to see a heap of them around

Before you do, make sure your dental insurance is up to date... you'll need some fillings replaced after the ride. :wasntme:

[isuzutoo-eh]

Has anyone chucked out the factory boat anchor and put a decent engine in a D3 or D4 yet?





Maybe an Isuzu for instance...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/183.jpg

[sheerluck]

Has anyone chucked out the factory boat anchor and put a decent engine in a D3 or D4 yet?





Maybe an Isuzu for instance...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/183.jpg

That's a great idea! That way it could be modern and retro at the same time. Looks like a product from here and now, sounds like something developed 50 years ago by Massey Ferguson.

Probably only a conversion for people who have a good discounted price list from their dentist and hearing specialist.

[Chops]

;)
Before you do, make sure your dental insurance is up to date... you'll need some fillings replaced after the ride. :wasntme:

We're not all softies like the latte` drinking disco drivers,,
We don't need all those electronics to go bush,, we like to "drive" our cars, not just "ride" in them,, ;)

Defender drivers,, last of the "real" 4x4ers ;)
:angel:
:wasntme:

[scarry]

How good are those Deefers.

The one that is in my signature scrambled up the north side of Palm creek on the Old Tele Track three days ago while all the patrols with lifts and lockers had to be winched up,as did the Navaras and low luxes.:D:D

It takes something like that to show all the lookers what is the best off road machine around:D

Those lookers with their Jap things couldn't believe their eyes.........:)

And the Puma is virtually stock,except for a 40mm lift and a set of KM2's.

[phl]

I squash that rumour, I've my D4 up to 140kph without any trouble, I reckon 170kp would be doable, need a lot of room though

Not really; it was so quiet I didn't notice it slip past 180km/h on the GPS speedo once...

[TerryO]

;)

We're not all softies like the latte` drinking disco drivers,,
We don't need all those electronics to go bush,, we like to "drive" our cars, not just "ride" in them,, ;)

Defender drivers,, last of the "real" 4x4ers ;)
:angel:
:wasntme:


Nope from what I've been told by some on here County owners are the last of the real 4wdrivers. They all reckon you Puma owners are big girls blouse pretenders with to much money. ...:angel:

And for your information it takes a lot of skill and bravery to select the correct mode when driving a D3/4 off road. I mean to say it can get scary if your in Sand mode and you find yourself on that slippery green stuff called grass. Let alone what to do when you come across uneven ground or a concrete road side kerb that one must try to get over.

It's not easy being the owner of or driving the most awarded 4x4 in the world. ...;)

[Redback]

It is... Easily...

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Plenty left in it at that point.


Yep I had the camper on too, over taking a road train, just out of Whyalla in fact;)

Baz.

[Ferret]

Obviously the D4 got through the little puddle before the Defender got stuck ...;)

Actually, that specific D4 is about to be loaded on to a tilt tray bound for the dealer :(

I think the defender is still going.



.... no the d4 took a side track.

What else could I do? You were blocking the way. ;)

[mojo]

Our Deefer is noisy, slow, rides rough, and not particularly comfortable.

Our D4 is quiet, fast (relatively), rides smooth, comfortable, and although we haven't really tested it out yet, I'm pretty sure it's just as capable off road as the Deefer, maybe even more so.

But which do I prefer driving? The Deefer of course! :D

[Chops]

The only thing mines got over the County is lecky windows,, I don't have ABS with the dual cab, so no TC either,, ;)

[rick130]

Bloody hell Brett ...please don't encourage the Defender riff raff. ...:angel:


Pardon ?

Oh, hi Terry ! :D

Cool, looks like a party happening :cool:

[rick130]

Before you do, make sure your dental insurance is up to date... you'll need some fillings replaced after the ride. :wasntme:


Tsk, tsk, tsk, these Disco fellows can't tell a Deefer from a 79 Series I fear... :lol2:

[discotwinturbo]

Tsk, tsk, tsk, these Disco fellows can't tell a Deefer from a 79 Series I fear... :lol2:

I can.....79's are dull, lifeless and without character.....nothing dull and lifeless about a defender, and certainly full of characters.

Brett.....

[streaky]

I have a 1998 series I Discovery... but our Dubai based LR club now boasts around 350 members consisting of just about every model ever built.
One thing I've noticed though is the LR3's seem to be the most temperamental and fragile amoungst all of the cars in the club.
Many of the members have the New Puma Engined Defender and we hardly ever hear about the problems they've picked up over the weekend campouts....the LR 3 owners on the other hand tend to drive their cars directly to the workshop after every desert trip to get one thing or another repaired, fixed or serviced.
The LR3 doesn't seem tuff enough for off roading on a regular basis.
The Defenders, Range Rovers Classics and Early Discoveries all seem to take a hard day in the desert in their stride.

I have a 2008/9 RR Sport as well as my Discovery but having seen the type of problems the guys have with the same platform LR3 I'm never taking it off road.

A close second to the LR3's mood swings is the Discovery II....you'd think LR would have improved on this model before launching the 3...but they didn't!

[ozscott]

The d2 in budget spec guise with coils allround and manual preferrably with no xyz switch to cause problems is very reliable in hard off road use. The d1 is better again for reliability in hard offroad use but there isn't much in it. I love my 95 d1 but prefer my 02 d2 offroad and both are v8's.

Cheers

[rick130]

Nope from what I've been told by some on here County owners are the last of the real 4wdrivers. They all reckon you Puma owners are big girls blouse pretenders with to much money. ...:angel:

And for your information it takes a lot of skill and bravery to select the correct mode when driving a D3/4 off road. I mean to say it can get scary if your in Sand mode and you find yourself on that slippery green stuff called grass. Let alone what to do when you come across uneven ground or a concrete road side kerb that one must try to get over.

It's not easy being the owner of or driving the most awarded 4x4 in the world. ...;)


God it'd be a funny night with us all around the campfire and a few daiquiri's under our belts.

I can just hear it now, the bull**** flowing, the insults flying and everyone ****ing themselves laughing ! :D

[rick130]

;)

We're not all softies like the latte` drinking disco drivers,,
We don't need all those electronics to go bush,, we like to "drive" our cars, not just "ride" in them,, ;)

Defender drivers,, last of the "real" 4x4ers ;)
:angel:
:wasntme:



Psst !

I'm sipping a latte as I type this :angel:

Just finished a yoga marketing/'right action' meeting and I'm wearing a slouchy/hippy beanie.....


Am I letting the side down ? :confused:


Naa, 'course not, I'm a shed driver ;)





Shed drivers.

As individual as their vehicles :D

[Chops]

Psst !

I'm sipping a latte as I type this :angel:

Just finished a yoga marketing/'right action' meeting and I'm wearing a slouchy/hippy beanie.....


Am I letting the side down ? :confused:


Naa, 'course not, I'm a shed driver ;)





Shed drivers.

As individual as their vehicles :D

Shhhh,, tell em` nuffin`,, they think they've got the market corned on latte`s too,, ;)

I don't care how dirty I am from work,, most weeks we manage to call into the café on our way home for a latte` and a perv,, :D

[TerryO]

You Defender Riffraff can leave now if you like. Us Disco drivers need to get back to talking about how superior our Disco's are compared to all other 4x4's on the planet.

[Chops]

You Defender Riffraff can leave now if you like. Us Disco drivers need to get back to talking about how superior our Disco's are compared to all other 4x4's on the planet.

Not having us around means you wont have to DEfend your vehicles capabilities,, ;)
You should just admit DEfeat, and buy what you know you really want deep down inside anyway,, a DEFENDER :D

[strangy]

You Defender Riffraff can leave now if you like. Us Disco drivers need to get back to talking about how superior our Disco's are compared to all other 4x4's on the planet.

For the Defender drivers, this is code for
Skinny Soy based drinks and Fanta Pants.;)

[TerryO]

For the Defender drivers, this is code for
Skinny Soy based drinks and Fanta Pants.;)


Urban Dictionary: fanta pants

origin: Scottish (from gaelic 'farnter' meaning flame-haired) fanta pants refers to a true ginger minge,


Argh! ...so Defender owners think all of us Disco owners are 'ginger minges' ....:eek:

[rick130]

For the Defender drivers, this is code for
Skinny Soy based drinks and Fanta Pants.;)


Bwahahahaha :lol2:

[clubagreenie]

I'm not a macho man by any stretch ( hairdresser infact )


Shouldn't it be Hair Blick then?

And I though Celica's were hairdressers cars?

[ozscott]

Gingers and hairdressers. ..you can get both at Kirrabilly if your quick.

Cheers

[herrBlick]

Shouldn't it be Hair Blick then?

And I though Celica's were hairdressers cars?

Aha! there in layith the joke

[connock]

I went away with some friends June L/weekend and had a play on some reasonably steep inclines out of a creek. Now there was a 110 there with a rear locker and on one particular hill he took 2 attempts then said wow I feel like I'm cheating with a locker, I then had a go stopping half way up then continuing on up 1st go, My comment was I feel like I'm cheating driving this car:D Gotta love the D3.
Yes and by the way he is a chutney crotch Too so its not the Disco drivers:ninja:
connock

[TerryO]

I agree Driving a D3/4 off road against other (common ;) ) 4WD's is like cheating. They are that good even in standard trim for what is essentially a luxury vehicle.

Add in some goodies like 17's with muds, GOA rods/LLams, front bar, rock sliders and they become an excellent off roader, but retain the fact that they are still a luxury vehicle to drive on road even with the off road enhancing mods.

Most other 4WD's once you mod then become scary pigs to drive on road.

I bet the vast majority of even the hardest core Fender owners if they had a chance of driving a D3/4 fora week including some pretty serious off roading wouldn't want to hand them back once they found out how good late model Disco's are.

[strangy]

I bet the vast majority of even the hardest core Fender owners if they had a chance of driving a D3/4 fora week including some pretty serious off roading wouldn't want to hand them back once they found out how good late model Disco's are.

I took one of the new ones from the "roadshow" when Sutton Motors had them in Alice a few months ago. I didn't want to hand it back either.
I wanted it to go with the Defender.!
Don't get me started on the massaging, cooled/heated seats and electric everything on the RR. My son asked how far I thought the swear words would carry after the Centres red dirt graced the pristine cream leather.
But if you could afford it the I guess you just ignored it.

[PAT303]

How good are those Deefers.

The one that is in my signature scrambled up the north side of Palm creek on the Old Tele Track three days ago while all the patrols with lifts and lockers had to be winched up,as did the Navaras and low luxes.:D:D

It takes something like that to show all the lookers what is the best off road machine around:D

Those lookers with their Jap things couldn't believe their eyes.........:)

And the Puma is virtually stock,except for a 40mm lift and a set of KM2's.

After 15 years and many miles over all parts of Australia,thats the reason why I never recommend modifying them.Real men drive Defenders,latte sipping hairdressers drive those D things:wasntme:. Pat

[PAT303]

I can.....79's are dull, lifeless and without character.....
Brett.....

Don't forget they blow smoke,burn oil and crunch gears and the rear end doesn't follow the front in ruts,and are quite prone to turning over without starting. Pat

[PAT303]

[QUOTE=rick130;1938371]Psst !

I'm sipping a latte as I type this :angel:

Just finished a yoga marketing/'right action' meeting and I'm wearing a slouchy/hippy beanie.....


Am I letting the side down ? :confused:


Naa, 'course not, I'm a shed driver ;)
[B]

Carefull Rick,you might break a nail next time you change a vacuum pump :angel: Pat

[the_preacher1973]

Don't forget they blow smoke,burn oil and crunch gears and the rear end doesn't follow the front in ruts,and are quite prone to turning over without starting. Pat

Sounds like you're describing my County V8 with worn needles...

[PAT303]

Sounds like you're describing my County V8 with worn needles...

I wish I was,mines new and does it.It's sad they went from the1HD- FTE,one of the best diesel engines ever sold here to the boat anchor they have now. Pat

[chuck]

Just got back from a return trip to Adelaide in the D4.
1500km in 18 hours.
8.9 litres per 100 k supported to be reasonable accurate by fuel dockets.
Used less fuel on the return journey for some reason?

Plenty of power to round up b doubles.

D4 performed flawlessly

Only scare was an errant roo near Ararat.

[rick130]

Carefull Rick,you might break a nail next time you change a vacuum pump :angel: Pat

:D

Naa, no nails to speak of mate, you know how it is from spinning spanners and bashing fingers.

I'd be much more concerned with spraining my cocked little pinky when sipping a French Earl Grey :angel:

But you won't get me out of my shed on wheels :D

[scarry]

:D

Naa, no nails to speak of mate, you know how it is from spinning spanners and bashing fingers.

I'd be much more concerned with spraining my cocked little pinky when sipping a French Earl Grey :angel:

But you won't get me out of my shed on wheels :D

No spilling the latte in the disco as it rides on air:D

Won't have to wind down the window,the climate control is fantastic,so your hair won't get messed up:p

oh and there is a mirror in the sunviser if you need to attend to the eyelashes....:D

I actually don't mind either,but for around town ease and long highway hauls,it can't get much better than a D4.

[Bushie]

Oh FFS you're all starting to sound like Toyota drivers now.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/07/1540.jpg

Martyn

[101RRS]

for around town ease and long highway hauls,it can't get much better than a D4.

Oh yes it does - a RRS - zoom zoom :D

[scarry]

Oh FFS you're all starting to sound like Toyota drivers now.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/07/1540.jpg

Martyn

Yer,my toyota butter box,3 1/2 yrs old has a radiator full of pinholes grrrrrr

Oh, yawn yawn,what a feeling......................

[connock]

Just got back from a return trip to Adelaide in the D4.
1500km in 18 hours.
8.9 litres per 100 k supported to be reasonable accurate by fuel dockets.
Used less fuel on the return journey for some reason?

Plenty of power to round up b doubles.

D4 performed flawlessly

Only scare was an errant roo near Ararat.

Less fuel because its all down hill back to Melbourne :wasntme::angel:
connock

[Chops]

Just watched a show on TV about Australia's Iconic Places,,, all very beautiful of course, and certainly to see most of them up close and personal, you need a 4X4,,

In all of the images I conjured up of being there,,, not once did I see myself, or anyone else, in a Disco,,, we were all there in Defenders,,

[TerryO]

Just watched a show on TV about Australia's Iconic Places,,, all very beautiful of course, and certainly to see most of them up close and personal, you need a 4X4,,

In all of the images I conjured up of being there,,, not once did I see myself, or anyone else, in a Disco,,, we were all there in Defenders,,


Interesting imagination you have there Chops. Not sure what it has to do with this conversation but if it floats your boat then all is good. ...:unsure:

[Dirty3]

[FONT="Arial"]Just got back from a return trip to Adelaide in the D4.
1500km in 18 hours.
8.9 litres per 100 k supported to be reasonable accurate by fuel dockets.
Used less fuel on the return journey for some reason?

Must be the tail wind!! Flying Perth to Melbourne it takes a half hour less. Maybe the foot was down slightly less harder? :burnrubber:

[herrBlick]

I will never never post defender and discovery in this forum again, your all MAD I tell you!

It is just fair information for people weighing up the idea of what to buy and how much you get for your money, I know you can't put a price on enjoyment,
here is an interesting quote

“The test of the machine is the satisfaction it gives you. There isn't any other test. If the machine produces tranquility it's right. If it disturbs you it's wrong until either the machine or your mind is changed.”
― Robert M. Pirsig,

Ummmm food for though.

Thank you for taking part in my topic

herrBlick

[SBD4]

I will never never post defender and discovery in this forum again, your all MAD I tell you!

It is just fair information for people weighing up the idea of what to buy and how much you get for your money, I know you can't put a price on enjoyment,
here is an interesting quote

“The test of the machine is the satisfaction it gives you. There isn't any other test. If the machine produces tranquility it's right. If it disturbs you it's wrong until either the machine or your mind is changed.”
― Robert M. Pirsig,

Ummmm food for though.

Thank you for taking part in my topic

herrBlick

I like that quote!

[TerryO]

Anything that stirs up the Defender bridgade is a good thing Herr Blick, feel free to post another similar thread in another month or so.

It will always gets a bite or twenty. ...;)

[scarry]

Just got back from a return trip to Adelaide in the D4.
1500km in 18 hours.
8.9 litres per 100 k supported to be reasonable accurate by fuel dockets.
Used less fuel on the return journey for some reason?

Plenty of power to round up b doubles.

D4 performed flawlessly

Only scare was an errant roo near Ararat.

August last year the son's Puma was driven non stop,three drivers in shifts from Oodnadatta to Birdsville,22 hours.
The other vehicle in the group,a Patrol tray back was left in Cooper Pedy the day before with broken upper spring mounts.
The Puma was overloaded as most of the gear from the Patrol was in and on the roof of the Puma.

The deefer never missed a beat.

Fuel economy not known,no worries with b doubles either:angel:

[manic]

Yes yes the discovery is a better car, defender the best 4x4... same conclusions time and time again...

Discove..
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/07/1540.jpg

[TerryO]

absolutely a Defender is such a good thing especially in small sand hills .... ...;)


Land Rover Discovery 3 / LR3 rescues Defender - YouTube

[Chops]

Cant help poor driving,,, but at least he had a go,, ;)

[Disco Muppet]

The best 4X4 is the one you have the keys to ;)
If you've got keys to a defender and a disco, stop showing off :p
Cheers
Muppet (Member of the D2 master-race)

[SimmAus]

absolutely a Defender is such a good thing especially in small sand hills .... ...;)

Video Link: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pBj64wrqwd4&feature=related (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pBj64wrqwd4&feature=related)

That video posted by a guy called "Klaas Bals"? You couldn't drive a deefer with Klaas Bals surely?
10 pages here we come....

[disco2_dan]

August last year the son's Puma was driven non stop,three drivers in shifts from Oodnadatta to Birdsville,22 hours.
The other vehicle in the group,a Patrol tray back was left in Cooper Pedy the day before with broken upper spring mounts.
The Puma was overloaded as most of the gear from the Patrol was in and on the roof of the Puma.

The deefer never missed a beat.

Fuel economy not known,no worries with b doubles either:angel:

Lol definatly no probs with b-doubles.... Just move to the left a bit and watch then go flying past!

[ozscott]

There was talk a while ago about a LRO or similar mag doing a head to head between a Disco 4 and Defender...did that happen?

Also, its good to see that we are all so different. Some people love changing gears and wouldnt ever change that while their arms still worked no matter how smooth or how many gears and flappy things an auto box had (I am one of those). Some people love the feel of a truck like chassis and axle set up (like on D1,D2, Defender...and I am one of those). Some people like character in spades (....and I am one of those). Against that there are people who prefer quiet, ultra comfortable, car like characteristics in their 4wd's but still like competent off roaders. Each to their own, but there have been one or two comments on this site over time to the effect that if people in Defenders COULD do so, they would opt for a D4. I think that misses the point entirely and assumes far too much about Defender owners (and D2 owners for that matter).

Cheers

[Disco Muppet]

I'll admit to being pleasantly surprised, Rocmics D3 did the best out of the 4 of us, at least until mark showed up in his county :p
People who deny that D3/D4 has exceptional ability off-road are simply talking out of their ass, same as people who dismiss Defender owners as being too busy picking food out of their beards to get with the times :p
Each to their own, it's still better than a toynissan :lol2:

[TerryO]

Totally agree Disco Muppet as the old saying goes ...Never judge a book by its cover!

One thing we all got to admit those Defender boys sure know how to have fun in the mud ...:angel:;)

[rick130]

Totally agree Disco Muppet as the old saying goes ...Never judge a book by its cover!

One thing we all got to admit those Defender boys sure know how to have fun in the mud ...:angel:;)


Damnit Terry, where did you find that pic of moi !!??

[rocmic]

I'll admit to being pleasantly surprised, Rocmics D3 did the best out of the 4 of us, at least until mark showed up in his county :p
People who deny that D3/D4 has exceptional ability off-road are simply talking out of their ass, same as people who dismiss Defender owners as being too busy picking food out of their beards to get with the times :p
Each to their own, it's still better than a toynissan :lol2:

Couldn't agree more Muppet. I actually wanted to get a Defender when I bought the D3, but that was idea was nixed by two factors - 1) I drove the D3 and 2) my wife looked at the Defender after the D3:lol2:.

That said, I am very happy with the D3 and its capabilities. The reason some people don't give them much credit is they way they look and also becasue the large majority that have been sold are basically Toorak tractors, there awesome abilities are not used.

The trip that Muppet and I did on the weekend had a steep uphill with a nice step near the top. The D1, Muppet's D2 and a P38 had to winched, the D3 just cruised up. I'd like to say it was the driver:cool:, but the reality is it was the superior (that is newer and improved compared to the D2) traction control on my vehicle. Needless to say I still have the permagrin:D.

For all of that capability, if Mark's County had been with us for that hill (with locker and bigger wheels), it would have cruised up just as easily as the D3.

All of these vehicles are capable, fun to drive; it comes down to what suits the individual and their circumstances.
Cheers
Mike

[ozscott]

No doubt they are competent.

Just two things - Disco Muppet's D2 has no centre diff lock...once that is installed there will be a very significant uphill change of progress in axle twisters... and secondly DM has posted that his ETC was working very well in high range. There is a reason for that - the software was not aggressive in high range, but is in low range - in high it is very slow to come on and then does not aggressively apply the brakes. I dont know if he was in HR when he attempted that climb, but I do know having driven very similar terrain that no CDL in those conditions hamstrings the D2 considerably. Get that CDL fitted DM and go attempt that again...in low range of course :D

Back to the D3 - the Torak tractor thing might be right - the P38 Range Rover was tarred with the same brush. Having said that the biggest controversy with the new shape was moving away from live axles.

I just had a look at DM's post on the trip - looks like a nice scenic drive.

Cheers

[Disco Muppet]

Yep, the previous trip Fluids managed to get up the rock-face in a facelift D2 so CDL + TC.
I was in 1L for that climb so traction control was going fine, but no CDL didn't help, neither do having extremely stiff HD springs that have about as much flex as an old man in the morning :D
I wasn't really tempted to push it too far as I need it to ferry me to uni every week, but having said that I think I've been bitten, I want to try harder stuff now :twisted:

[clubagreenie]

Are you missing the lever or the internals.

[Disco Muppet]

Are you missing the lever or the internals.

Lever, internals are all there.
Thinking of grabbing one from del (.50)

[clubagreenie]

He does some of the best. Let me know if you're sending over an exchange unit, I have a couple spare I've been meaning to send him.

[ozscott]

Good stuff mate. I had to get an entire output housing. No doubt those springs wouldn't help keep traction . You are clearly on your game about what the problems are.
.Cheers

[sniegy]

There really is no debate.


They are both exceptionally capable vehicles in there own right.


They are Land Rovers after all. ;-)

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[Tombie]

^^^ wot he said ^^^

[rocmic]

I think Muppet said at some stage that if you have the keys to a disco and a defender then you are boasting.

In my case that would be longing since I only have the keys to one. Personally Series, Defender, Disco, Rangie in the garage would be sublime.

And with regard to my comment on how people see the D3 as a Toorak tractor. I had to go over to the North Shore yesterday (in the fairly dirty from the weekend) D3. Security guard at the gate: "G'day mate [looks at car].... Where on earth have you been'
Me: 'bit of four wheeling on the weekend"
SG: "that is good to see mate"

Cheers
Mike