D3 GOE Rods

[rb30gtr]

Hi All,

I have done some forum searching on GOE rods and it shows a bazillion different threads with posts etc on GOE Rods. I have a couple of pretty simple questions

Just to be on the right track, am I right to assume the GOE rods simply lift the senors that detect when the car is at off road height, therefore the car will sit 40mm higher on that setting?

Are there any implications associated with airbag/compressor wear and the sensors for the car to sit at road and access heights?

*I did the emergency height test with a jack, I can't believe how high the car D3 can get!

Sorry if this is another repeat of having to answer these questions.

Cheers,
Ben

[jonesy63]

Ben - short answers to your two questions: yes (well, shortens the length of the body to sensors), and yes airbag *and* CV-related issues.

Read about it, from the source:
GOE 2-way Height Sensor Rods (http://greenovalexperience.com/eas_rods.html)

[rb30gtr]

Ben - short answers to your two questions: yes (well, shortens the length of the body to sensors), and no-more CV-related issues.

Read about it, from the source:
GOE 2-way Height Sensor Rods (http://greenovalexperience.com/eas_rods.html)

Appreciated, great link - And... they are ordered.:D

[jonesy63]

Ben - I edited my response... I should be in bed as I'm sick, rather than posting here. There are implications for the airbags as well as CV joints if you run at offroad for too long.

[rb30gtr]

Ben - I edited my response... I should be in bed as I'm sick, rather than posting here. There are implications for the airbags as well as CV joints if you run at offroad for too long.

Yep I had figured there would be some sort of extra strain due to the angle for the cv and height for the bags.

Did you have them on your D3?

[DiscoWeb]

Ben,

Correct

The GOE rod basically replaces the standard connector (all of about 4 -5 in long) but unlike the standard rod it has two holes at one end. When driving normally you leave it at the standard length setting and everything is normal.

When you get off road you change the holes and the GOE rods simply tricks the suspension into thinking it is in normal height when it is actually in off road height. The key benefit is this allows you to travel at speeds above 50 kph at off road height.

For people who do a bit of outback touring or travel on sand the fact that once you are travelling over 40 or 50 kph the vehicle lowers to normal height is an issue and one of the criticisms of the D3/D4 electronic suspension.

Additionally if in really tough stuff you can then select off road height but that is effectively extended mode giving you just that extra bit of clearance in the tough stuff. The cheapest 40 mm suspension lift you can have.

They will not damage your airbags/compressor, however it is very strongly recommended that you do not drive for extended periods at high speed in off road height.

The only issue I have had was when I first fitted them I kept raising and lowering the vehicle (because I could) and I got a warning because I overheated the compressor. Since then, once adjusted I simply leave the vehicle in the normal height (off road) height and rarely change unless I am in a really tight situation.

They are easy to fit and easy to change over, takes about 20 sec each wheel and once you have finished your off road playing you simply put them back to the normal setting and drive off.

The other option is the Llams system which for fear over over simplifying it is an electronic version of rods as in it 'tricks" the cars computer into thinking the height is X when it is Y. Able to adjusted on the fly from inside the vehicle and provides you with numerous height option to both raise and low the vehicle.

There are plenty of thread on the Llams system and also on the pros and cons of both.

Interestingly both the GOE rods (Gordon) and Llams (Graeme) are made by members on this forum.

I hope this helps your understanding and deliberation.

George

[rb30gtr]

Brilliant thanks George.

I have done a ton of research on the LLams, and will be going that route when I am a little more comfortable off road and of course with the D3. (Also when I can safely spend $550, supposed to be saving for next years wedding)

I like the idea of being able to go above 50kph on off road height, and I can see the extra 40mm helping down the track when I get more serious. I'll give the rods a go, as it really is a very cost effective solution.
Getting out to change the setting before hitting the soft stuff will be no issue, all of my mates have to get out to lock hubs and do whatever else it is they do.

Another guilty suspension flicker here, and anytime a friend gets in the car they want to play with the height. I am curving this behavior on warnings from the friendly folks here, and the several suspension failure warnings I got.

I am also actually looking into attending a GOE Off Road Training day, would be great to get some sound knowledge around how to use the D3 properly.

[rb30gtr]

Ben - I edited my response... I should be in bed as I'm sick, rather than posting here. There are implications for the airbags as well as CV joints if you run at offroad for too long.

And, get well soon. Appreciate you making time to respond.

[DiscoWeb]

I am also actually looking into attending a GOE Off Road Training day, would be great to get some sound knowledge around how to use the D3 properly.

Ben,

GOE is based in Perth so not sure how often they do driver training in Sydney?

However I am involved in the Range Rover Club of NSW and one of the key member benefits and indeed reasons for me joining the club a few years ago were the the clubs training days.

Might be worthwhile looking into membership as apart from the training there are day trips etc which are a good way to get comfortable with the car and how to use it.

There are other commercial driver training programs as well as the Land Rover Owners Club that do driver training.

George

[ytt105]

DiscoWeb

You seem to have this stuff well understood, so, a couple of questions.

1) Could the IID Tool be used to provide the additional height for 'normal' speed high setting.

2) If the power fuse were to be removed after setting high, would that be retained above the magic drop speed.

[rb30gtr]

Ben,

GOE is based in Perth so not sure how often they do driver training in Sydney?

However I am involved in the Range Rover Club of NSW and one of the key member benefits and indeed reasons for me joining the club a few years ago were the the clubs training days.

Might be worthwhile looking into membership as apart from the training there are day trips etc which are a good way to get comfortable with the car and how to use it.

There are other commercial driver training programs as well as the Land Rover Owners Club that do driver training.

George

Thanks George,

Well that puts GOE off the list then, I should probably have checked that first.

Joining RRC is on my list for sure.

I am also pretty keen to go out on some day trips with Forum members from NSW that have D3's, so I am keeping a watchful eye on the trips section.

[lt8x7]

I am booked on the Getabout training at Eastern Creek next Wednesday.

I will let you know what it is like.

[phl]

I am booked on the Getabout training at Eastern Creek next Wednesday.

I will let you know what it is like.

I'd be interested to see if John can do a D4 specific training; having already done off road training via TLCC, I'm more interested in knowing what tricks are possible in the D4, and also what to look out for.

[phl]

1) Could the IID Tool be used to provide the additional height for 'normal' speed high setting.


Yes, but even they recommend the rods and IID Tool together. Calibration only allows 100mm of play in total, and most are set up such that you have just under 50mm increase in height, and much greater decrease.

[SBD4]

I'd be interested to see if John can do a D4 specific training; having already done off road training via TLCC, I'm more interested in knowing what tricks are possible in the D4, and also what to look out for.

I did a day with them in Jan 2011 and they did run through the specifics but that was a LR only day. Also spoke with someone who did a general course back in March which was open to any vehicle and they did go through the TR system with him.

I would ask John or Julie directly.

[rb30gtr]

My first attempt at using the TR will be this weekend, heading for a play up to Zig Zag, and maybe a look into Mt Walker.

Going with a Pajero, Patrol and a jacked up Sierra, only going for a play so we won't be getting into anything serious.

[Redback]

My first attempt at using the TR will be this weekend, heading for a play up to Zig Zag, and maybe a look into Mt Walker.

Going with a Pajero, Patrol and a jacked up Sierra, only going for a play so we won't be getting into anything serious.

I will be up at Zig Zag this weekend also, camping there with friends for 2 nights, If you want to hook up, just let me know and I'll see what I can do, we will be driving around on Saturday most of the day, your welcome to join us to camp if you want, we are camping there Friday and Saturday night.

My D4
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bazzar/media/IMG_6027.jpg.html)

Baz.

[rb30gtr]

I will be up at Zig Zag this weekend also, camping there with friends for 2 nights, If you want to hook up, just let me know and I'll see what I can do, we will be driving around on Saturday most of the day, your welcome to join us to camp if you want, we are camping there Friday and Saturday night.

My D4
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bazzar/media/IMG_6027.jpg.html)

Baz.

That is one awesome looking rig, love all the gear hanging off it.

Great! We are only doing a day trip, should be hitting the dirt around 10am should no hiccups occur. Ill be up there on street tyres in street trim.
If I see your rig I will be the one waving frantically, be great to say hi.

Cheers,
Ben

[DiscoWeb]

DiscoWeb

You seem to have this stuff well understood, so, a couple of questions.

1) Could the IID Tool be used to provide the additional height for 'normal' speed high setting.

2) If the power fuse were to be removed after setting high, would that be retained above the magic drop speed.

ytt105,

Short answer is not sure and note sure.

I try and rely on simple things, as the D3 is complex enough.

That is why I went with the rods, not much can go wrong with then and if it breaks I can fix it. As I do not truly understand how Llams works I would be lost if it failed.

There are others in this forum who would be much better at answering your question regards the IID tool and fuses however I do recall reading somewhere that removing the fuse post putting it in off road would lock it in high but again not sure. !

George

[DiscoWeb]

My first attempt at using the TR will be this weekend, heading for a play up to Zig Zag, and maybe a look into Mt Walker.

Going with a Pajero, Patrol and a jacked up Sierra, only going for a play so we won't be getting into anything serious.

Oh well I am planning a play around Lithgow/Mt Wlaker on the Saturday 6th July with a mate who has a sport and I have finally encouraged him to take it off road.

Enjoy your trip.

George

[101RRS]

As I do not truly understand how Llams works I would be lost if it failed.

George

Then you just unplug it and reconnect the connections as they were. No harder than plugging/unplugging an accessory to your computer.

Garry

[rb30gtr]

I am booked on the Getabout training at Eastern Creek next Wednesday.

I will let you know what it is like.

Actually some info on the Getabout training would be very useful.

Which Getabout course are you attending, is it the Drive and Recover?

[Redback]

Actually some info on the Getabout training would be very useful.

Which Getabout course are you attending, is it the Drive and Recover?

It would be cheaper to join the RR Club or Land Rover Club and get your training from them, than do any of the training company coarses, both clubs do very good coarses, I've done the LROCS coarse and was happy with the training.


Baz.

[rb30gtr]

It would be cheaper to join the RR Club or Land Rover Club and get your training from them, than do any of the training company coarses, both clubs do very good coarses, I've done the LROCS coarse and was happy with the training.


Baz.

Good point Baz,
Looks like the RRC to join in July is only $110, I could be miss reading the membership form though.

Cheers,
Ben

[rb30gtr]

Oh well I am planning a play around Lithgow/Mt Wlaker on the Saturday 6th July with a mate who has a sport and I have finally encouraged him to take it off road.

Enjoy your trip.

George

If I can get approval for two weekends in a row, how would you guys like a tag along D3?

Cheers,
ben

[DiscoWeb]

If I can get approval for two weekends in a row, how would you guys like a tag along D3?

Cheers,
ben

Would be fine with me!

George

[Redback]

Good point Baz,
Looks like the RRC to join in July is only $110, I could be miss reading the membership form though.

Cheers,
Ben

Yeah looks cheap enough, have been considering them myself, might give them an email.

I'll keep an eye and ear out for you guys at Newnes, I'm travelling with 2 GU Patrols, one red, one baby poo brown;)

Baz.

[DiscoWeb]

Good point Baz,
Looks like the RRC to join in July is only $110, I could be miss reading the membership form though.

Cheers,
Ben

Ben,

Range Rover Club annual membership is around $220pa and memberships are renewed each July, I think so might be worth holding off and starting fresh for the new year.

Training is free to members however the club asks for a $25 donation on the day for their charity. Our main instructor is very very experienced and has done courses at Eastnor Castle and been a professional driver trainer and know the vehicles back to front.

There are various club trips run ranging form day trips to a few week trips as well as other trips to places of interest run purely by members.

Monthly club meetings are held at various locations ranging from tire places to Dealers to independent service places and Auto Repair shops. There is also a very high quality monthly magazine produced.

I have enjoyed being a member for the last few years as not many of my mates are into 4wding so this provides one avenue of getting out and about with like minded people who enjoy the LR brand.

Definitely not a hard core 4wd club but that suits me.

I should disclose I am the clubs current Education and Training officer so take this as a bit of an advert. (P.S I am definitely not the instructor referred to above)

If you want any more info please PM so I do not take this thread any further off track!
George

[101RRS]

Range Rover Club annual membership is around $220pa

:eek:

Wow that is expensive.

[DiscoWeb]

:eek:

Wow that is expensive.

Less than the gym!! and more fun

[101RRS]

Most car clubs are less than $100 a year - one club I was recently a member off only had fees of $50 and many members were complaining.

[lt8x7]

Actually some info on the Getabout training would be very useful.

Which Getabout course are you attending, is it the Drive and Recover?

Yes, it's the Drive and Recover.
I'll also ask if I can get some specific TR training.

[gghaggis]

Yes, it's the Drive and Recover.
I'll also ask if I can get some specific TR training.

If you can't get specific training for the TR systems, you can purchase the GOE off-road booklet (AULRO discount rate of course ;) )and use it in conjunction with a more generic training day.

We're looking at coming over and doing both theory and practical training later in the year, but it's looking to be more likely in Victoria at this stage.

Cheers,

Gordon

[jon3950]

Most car clubs are less than $100 a year - one club I was recently a member off only had fees of $50 and many members were complaining.

Agreed. I gave up on them about a 100 bucks ago as I thought it was expensive then. I do think that they are a good club and I had been thinking lately about re-joining, but at that price I can't see the value.

Cheers,
Jon

[rb30gtr]

Most car clubs are less than $100 a year - one club I was recently a member off only had fees of $50 and many members were complaining.

Good point, all my previous clubs were far less.

[phl]

Range Rover Club annual membership is around $220pa and memberships are renewed each July, I think so might be worth holding off and starting fresh for the new year.

That's pretty expensive; TLCC is $155 for a family membership, you get the accredited training free (one night theory and two weekend days practical at Willowglen). The reason for the cost is to maintain the two properties the club owns, namely Willowglen (training) and Koolandilly (leisure), as both have undercover sheds, hot showers and toilets that are free for members use.

Ah, just took a look; the annual fee is a more reasonable $121, the $220 includes joining fee, and the cost is pro rata, so is less if joining now, although makes more sense to wait a few days for July.

[Redback]

Don't you mean it's $220 for the first year, $99 joining fee and annual membership fee is $121, then it's $121 a year membership??

Baz.



Ben,

Range Rover Club annual membership is around $220pa and memberships are renewed each July, I think so might be worth holding off and starting fresh for the new year.

Training is free to members however the club asks for a $25 donation on the day for their charity. Our main instructor is very very experienced and has done courses at Eastnor Castle and been a professional driver trainer and know the vehicles back to front.

There are various club trips run ranging form day trips to a few week trips as well as other trips to places of interest run purely by members.

Monthly club meetings are held at various locations ranging from tire places to Dealers to independent service places and Auto Repair shops. There is also a very high quality monthly magazine produced.

I have enjoyed being a member for the last few years as not many of my mates are into 4wding so this provides one avenue of getting out and about with like minded people who enjoy the LR brand.

Definitely not a hard core 4wd club but that suits me.

I should disclose I am the clubs current Education and Training officer so take this as a bit of an advert. (P.S I am definitely not the instructor referred to above)

If you want any more info please PM so I do not take this thread any further off track!
George

[rb30gtr]

Hey guys, go as far off track as you please, after all this is a 4wd forum, and off track is what it is all about.

Bad pun for the day finished.

[101RRS]

Can you remind us what the thread topic is ;)

[DiscoWeb]

Don't you mean it's $220 for the first year, $99 joining fee and annual membership fee is $121, then it's $121 a year membership??

Baz.

I will check my renewal tonight and get back to you !

George

[DiscoWeb]

Don't you mean it's $220 for the first year, $99 joining fee and annual membership fee is $121, then it's $121 a year membership??

Baz.

Baz,

You are Correct the first yrs fee of $220 and this includes a $99 joining fee then current annual fee in $121.

George

[phl]

Back to the rods.

Got mine today, so decided to install them tonight. Have to say the OE rods don't come off easily, albeit I did it without taking the wheels off. It was also confusing as to which fuse was for the EAS module, as the fuse list did not relate at all to what was there, so ended up pulling both 20A fuse. Luckily the suspension didn't move whilst crawling under the car to do the rear rods.

There is more play with the GOE rods, as the rubber bush is not as wide as the OE part, but it means it can be taken off and changed much more easily, certainly under the 3 seconds.

Interestingly the suspension did not lower to normal after putting the fuse back in; someone said theirs did.

Now awaiting the GOE bash plates, then ready for some off-road runs.

[discotwinturbo]

Interestingly the suspension did not lower to normal after putting the fuse back in; someone said theirs did.

Had you put it at offroad height before you changed the rods ? Gives you a bit more room to work. If you left it at normal height, and installed the GOE rods on the longer setting, then there will be no change in height when you reinstall the fuses, likewise of you had put it in offroad height.

The fuse is the 20 amp one, third one back on the passenger side.

Brett....

[TerryO]

With the RRC membership you can also nominate a direct family member (wife, son, daughter etc) who also gets a membership included in the one fee.

Personally I think the club is well worth joining and they provide some excellent courses as part of the membership fee.

[phl]

Had you put it at offroad height before you changed the rods ? Gives you a bit more room to work. If you left it at normal height, and installed the GOE rods on the longer setting, then there will be no change in height when you reinstall the fuses, likewise of you had put it in offroad height.

The fuse is the 20 amp one, third one back on the passenger side.


Most certainly did put it into offroad height; otherwise no room to work as I didn't take the wheels off. But I have had a look under those area whilst installing mudflaps (which are hopefully more flexible than OE ones).

Thanks for the heads up on the fuse; how does their numbering system work?

[discotwinturbo]

Most certainly did put it into offroad height; otherwise no room to work as I didn't take the wheels off. But I have had a look under those area whilst installing mudflaps (which are hopefully more flexible than OE ones).....ok, should stay the same height, until you place it on the shorter hole.

Thanks for the heads up on the fuse; how does their numbering system work? Fuse box next to battery. If you are looking at the fuse box from the passenger side, its the closest bank to you and third from the front. On the cover it shows you a pick of the suspension with an arrow.

Brett....

[rb30gtr]

Back to the rods.

Got mine today, so decided to install them tonight. Have to say the OE rods don't come off easily, albeit I did it without taking the wheels off. It was also confusing as to which fuse was for the EAS module, as the fuse list did not relate at all to what was there, so ended up pulling both 20A fuse. Luckily the suspension didn't move whilst crawling under the car to do the rear rods.

There is more play with the GOE rods, as the rubber bush is not as wide as the OE part, but it means it can be taken off and changed much more easily, certainly under the 3 seconds.

Interestingly the suspension did not lower to normal after putting the fuse back in; someone said theirs did.

Now awaiting the GOE bash plates, then ready for some off-road runs.

I am just waiting for mine to arrive, I paid for them last week so I am assuming they be in soon, then on they will go. Looking forward to getting them on.

Did some fun off road stuff this past weekend, including a couple of river crossings and some rock crawls. I just love it off road, and can't wait to have it stay at off road height above 50kph! The auto lowering is pretty frustrating.

[hibees1972]

You won't regret it they are a fantastic piece of kit allowing flexibility for the terrain you are experiencing. Cheapest lift kit I've ever bought!

Change over is very easy less than 5 seconds per wheel when used to it.

When I take the RRS to the beach with rods adjusted but in normal height I.e. off road but can do more than 50kph I just point and shoot and the rangie will go up pretty much any dune it is pointed at and I get very pleasing looks/ respect from other marques observing the rangie in action.

Well done Gordon for a simple but very effective piece of off road kit.

Cheers
Mike



I am just waiting for mine to arrive, I paid for them last week so I am assuming they be in soon, then on they will go. Looking forward to getting them on.

Did some fun off road stuff this past weekend, including a couple of river crossings and some rock crawls. I just love it off road, and can't wait to have it stay at off road height above 50kph! The auto lowering is pretty frustrating.

[rb30gtr]

Any idea on the delivery time to expect for the GOE rod's to Sydney CBD?

Not being impatient just was hoping to have them on for this weekend for a play(well not too impatient)

[gghaggis]

Any idea on the delivery time to expect for the GOE rod's to Sydney CBD?

Not being impatient just was hoping to have them on for this weekend for a play(well not too impatient)

PM or email me, as I don't have your AULRO username against your order!

Cheers,

Gordon

[rb30gtr]

PM or email me, as I don't have your AULRO username against your order!

Cheers,

Gordon

Email Sent, thanks Gordon.

Cheers,
Ben

[rb30gtr]

Help needed:

Installed the goe rods, with no instructions. yes Gordon did send them to me I forgot to get them when leaving work..

Anyway beyond my stupidity.

Problem is, what way up do they sit in front and rear, anyone have the install pics??

[Rohan]

Have a look on Gordon 's web site, I think you can find instructions on there. IIRC the fronts are 2 holes down, the rears are 2 holes up (opposite on my RRS?)
Bugger, now I'm double guessing myself aaaaargh!
SWMBO just checked the web as I'm typing & the instructions are on greenovalexperience.com :)

[gghaggis]

Email me if you need another set of instructions - for a D4 the two holed end is always at the top, but this is only for convenience.

Cheers,

Gordon

[rb30gtr]

Email me if you need another set of instructions - for a D4 the two holed end is always at the top, but this is only for convenience.

Cheers,

Gordon

Thanks. Have them all sorted now. Such a simple yet brilliant idea!

[DiscoWeb]

Thanks. Have them all sorted now. Such a simple yet brilliant idea!

Ben,

Your only issue now is to resist the temptation to keep adjusting the settings when next on the tracks as you can overheat the compressor by constantly adjusting things !.

George

[scarry]

Ordered some rods today,really need them in the sand:)

Just thinking,if you are in off road height and the vehicle grounds,it goes into extended off road height,which is actually super extended(with the rods on).

Now if the message comes up,on the dash and you can go into super extended,i presume you don't do this as the rods will push it up higher than it should be and a fault may appear?

[4evershiva]

should I get the 2 way or 3 way rods?

[SimmAus]

2 way rods should be more than fine for most off-roading (well have served me well); I'm not too sure I'd feel too comfortable with another hole choice (especially when you can't see the back ones too easily and the last thing you want is an un level 4x4 - latte might spill) ;-)

[4evershiva]

Order placed....now the waiting game..

[rocmic]

Latte does not spill, buyou d geta seriously weird looking car off road at front, bump stops at rear, and that was just with a 2 hole type coming off the peg.
I forgot to get pictures - mea culpa
Cheers
Mike

[rar110]

Do these fit on a L322?

[Graeme]

LLAMS does :D

[Orangi]

Ben,



Correct



The GOE rod basically replaces the standard connector (all of about 4 -5 in long) but unlike the standard rod it has two holes at one end. When driving normally you leave it at the standard length setting and everything is normal.



When you get off road you change the holes and the GOE rods simply tricks the suspension into thinking it is in normal height when it is actually in off road height. The key benefit is this allows you to travel at speeds above 50 kph at off road height.



For people who do a bit of outback touring or travel on sand the fact that once you are travelling over 40 or 50 kph the vehicle lowers to normal height is an issue and one of the criticisms of the D3/D4 electronic suspension.



Additionally if in really tough stuff you can then select off road height but that is effectively extended mode giving you just that extra bit of clearance in the tough stuff. The cheapest 40 mm suspension lift you can have.



They will not damage your airbags/compressor, however it is very strongly recommended that you do not drive for extended periods at high speed in off road height.



The only issue I have had was when I first fitted them I kept raising and lowering the vehicle (because I could) and I got a warning because I overheated the compressor. Since then, once adjusted I simply leave the vehicle in the normal height (off road) height and rarely change unless I am in a really tight situation.



They are easy to fit and easy to change over, takes about 20 sec each wheel and once you have finished your off road playing you simply put them back to the normal setting and drive off.



The other option is the Llams system which for fear over over simplifying it is an electronic version of rods as in it 'tricks" the cars computer into thinking the height is X when it is Y. Able to adjusted on the fly from inside the vehicle and provides you with numerous height option to both raise and low the vehicle.



There are plenty of thread on the Llams system and also on the pros and cons of both.



Interestingly both the GOE rods (Gordon) and Llams (Graeme) are made by members on this forum.



I hope this helps your understanding and deliberation.



George


Sifu

I have ordered mine

[4evershiva]

Hasn't been too long on the car, however, the GOE rods (1 of them) has loose washer. the rear of the car doesn't seem to come to normal height. Any fix towards this available or is it a case of just putting the stock sensor rods on again.

[gghaggis]

If you contact me direct, I can send you a replacement.

The new ones no longer use washers/grommets

Cheers

Gordon

[4evershiva]

Hi Gordon, sent an email to go_experience@yahoo.com along with the photos. Thanks for your assistance.

Regards
Shiva