110 intercooler upgrade

[jim14]

Hi ,

Have a 110 2011 with puma 2.4 turbo diesel, I have chipped it, am running a hi flow 3 inch custom exhaust and also have hi flow fitted into the turbo. Am thinking of upgrading the intercooler and was wondering if anyone had any ideas or had done it and could give me the low down. And is it worth doing.

cheers

Jim

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[pannawonica]

Hi ,

Have a 110 2011 with puma 2.4 turbo diesel, I have chipped it, am running a hi flow 3 inch custom exhaust and also have hi flow fitted into the turbo. Am thinking of upgrading the intercooler and was wondering if anyone had any ideas or had done it and could give me the low down. And is it worth doing.

cheers

Jim

Where did you get the exhaust done/from ?:)

[Benny_IIA]

out of interest what turbo are you running?

[jim14]

Where did you get the exhaust done/from ?:)

Custom made from Perth exhaust,

[jim14]

out of interest what turbo are you running?

its the original turbo.

[pannawonica]

Custom made from Perth exhaust,


Thanks , however when I googled Perth exhausts I could not get the specific outlet that you used.

[n plus one]

www.allisport.com | (http://www.allisport.com/)

What he said. And yes it's well worth it.

Now make with the skinny on the exhaust..

[jim14]

Thanks , however when I googled Perth exhausts I could not get the specific outlet that you used.
Hey sorry, work away alot but here are the details for the exhaust.
Custom Exhaust Specialists.
Mufflers & Exhaust Systems - Osborne Park, WA
Unit 1, 68 Collingwood St, Osborne Park WA 6017, Australia
(08) 9446 3394

[TimNZ]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/1493.jpg (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/thmatthews/media/LR%20Various/Intercooler.jpg.html)

Stock vs Allisport intercooler. Buggered if I can tell if there is a power difference, however the car is much happier during summer. The intercooler is very well made, (I spent too much time looking at the welds :mellow: )

Would I buy again, absolutely.

Cheers,

Tim

[Steve Td5 130]

Hi Tim

Did you import the intercooler yourself or did you get from a distributor in Australia.

And if you could give me some idea of cost.
Post or PM


Cheers

Steve

[TimNZ]

Hi Steve, I brought the unit direct from Allisport, from their ebay webshop from memory. I can't remember the price sorry, (and can't find any old emails etc), however I don't recall it being cheap! But I can't fault the quality.

Cheers,

Tim

Edit, don't bother with "fast road" or similar labelled items, I've spoken with several people, who I trust in LR tuning circles, that have described such things as "marketing derived". ie, it is doubtful you would notice any difference.

[pannawonica]

Gary at Alive tuning has a new intercooler that is worth consideration. It is a little bit different from the rest as it has cast sides , and he can supply solid pipe/silicone set to go with it. I mention the pipe because I once got stranded by a sucked flat TD5 Disco intercooler inlet hose.
Coupled to a free flow exhaust and remap it would be a very useful upgrade.:D Just waiting for the end of warranty [biggrin]:BigThumb:

[juddy]

We are now agents for Alli Sport, and can give very good pricing...

[arowson]

Does anyone know someone in Perth who can supply/ fit an updated inter cooler for a 2.4 Puma?
Also someone who could supply a high performance chip?
Alan

[Baytown]

Hi Juddy.
I will very soon be interested in fitting an Alli Sport intercooler and new silicone hoses in my 2.2.
Could you please provide contact details for your business?
Thanks.
Ken


We are now agents for Alli Sport, and can give very good pricing...

[Baytown]

G'Day fellas.
No reply from Juddy, so can anyone please advise if there is an AlliSport Intercooler retailer in Australia?
I'd like t fit it and an uprated exhaust prior to purchasing my caravan later this month.
Thanks for any advice and best wishes.
Ken

[AndyG]

Never found an agent here, don't forget the silicone hoses, and there is a view that T clamps are better than hose clamps tp stop the hoses blowing off.
You going the BAS tune or other.

While taking about towing, has anyone added a oil cooler to a Puma engine

Allisport does exhaust to,, and locally I think Roo systems

[DiscoMick]

I have heard that MR Automotive at Reddcliffe do it, but I have no personal knowledge. Might be worth a call.

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[Baytown]

Thanks for the info Andy and Mick.
Re silicone hoses clamps etc, yes, I will do that as well.
I may just purchase the lot from BAS.
The AlliSport web site is full of great mods as well.
Best wishes fellas.
Ken

[Pickles2]

I think Davis Performance Landrovers in Sydney do this sort of stuff, Intercoolers, Tunes etc. You could check out their website & see what you think?
Pickles.

[DiscoMick]

I think Davis Performance Landrovers in Sydney do this sort of stuff, Intercoolers, Tunes etc. You could check out their website & see what you think?
Pickles.
MR Automotive at Reddcliffe in Brisbane and British Offroad on the Sunshine Coast would do this stuff too.

[kogvos]

G'Day fellas.
No reply from Juddy, so can anyone please advise if there is an AlliSport Intercooler retailer in Australia?
I'd like t fit it and an uprated exhaust prior to purchasing my caravan later this month.
Thanks for any advice and best wishes.
Ken

I purchased the intercooler and hoses from Bell Auto Services in the UK, along with a remap kit because I'm a big kid at heart. Definitely not cheap, but still worthwhile in my opinion.

I didn't consider upgrading the exhaust at all. I wasn't convinced it was a worthwhile upgrade, and I remember reading various posts about it not making a rat's butt of difference anyway (apart from making noise and emptying your wallet).

[Baytown]

GDay Kogvos.
Re the exhaust, I was thinking about getting an upgraded one fitted first. Probably not 3 inch, but a bit narrower. I thought that getting the gasses flowing more efficiently out of the engine would be benifitial in prep for the uprated intercooler and new map.
Staging the mods as my wallet allows. Im really interested in your comments re the exhaust mod effacacy for the 2.2 Puma.
Dwayne at MR Automotive in Brisbane was very proactive in supplying details and cost on all the mods mentioned above as well as EGR mods etc, so I may end up going to him next time Im down Brisbane.
I want to help my engine out as much as posible due to my Defender being a towing vehicle (2400kg van).
Best wishes mate.
Ken

[kogvos]

Hi Ken - I'll clarify straight away that I'm no exhaust or mechanical expert, merely an "over-active enthusiast"! Any comment about exhausts is gleaned from reading and speaking to other people, and the consistent thing that seemed to resonate with me was that exhaust upgrades weren't a particularly good return on investment in a Defender. I'm also not at all interested in performance upgrades in my Defender; for my needs, it's all about touring and reliability so this "logic" sounded reasonable to me (although I have just added an ECU re-map, this was more a guilty pleasure than something I really needed or wanted).

I would also clarify that I have none of the travelling/towing requirements you have. Apart from a shed-load of recovery gear (light-hearted poke at my other thread (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members-rides/207294-another-variation-highly-unoriginal-defender-theme-20.html)) I carry nothing more than the barest of basics when travelling (not even a fridge), and nothing that won't fit inside my 90 (including three people). Therefore I assume my needs differ greatly from yours.

If you've been speaking with someone you trust (and I've only just today heard another good comment about MR in Brisbane) then I would rely far more on that than my opinion. Your staged approach sounds sensible... similar to me but with different desires and outcomes.

Finally, regarding your thought process (getting gas out is better for the engine), this has long been my opinion as well, but I come from a long line of supercharged petrol V8 genital-wavers so stuff about diesel is all new to me and I now recognise I know sweet f-all in reality.

I similarly wish you all the best, and will heartily wave when we cross paths. :)

[Marty90]

I'm totally confused about the exhaust.I want to get the bigger IC but thought a better exhaust to exit the gases would make sense before you go forcing more fuel in, everyone has an opinion on the subject. A lot of people remove everything from the catalytic convertor(which would be a good thing albeit illegal)back, which would remove back pressure completely,which ,traditionally is not desirable.Others say reducing back pressure causes the turbo to overspool. Whole systems of straight-through exhausts are available from the UK,so is there some advantage to doing this? Like I said,confused:wacko:

[Baytown]

It certainly is a dark art isnt it fellas!
I think one recent video test of both stock exhaust vs modded exhaust, then modded ECU was made by Roo Systems in Brisbane. Their real world testing showed valuble gains in HP, torque and lower EG temp, with the uprated exhaust. Dyno then verified it. This was of course ina Tojo 200.
Who knows what is best for our vehicles?, mine being the 2.2.
Best wishes fellas.
Ken

[AndyG]

A quick look at the Bowler Motorsports Defender exhausts, we see the catalyst is kept but the rest is 3". ?600 anyone

Note
The 170 hp has standard exhaust
THE 195 HP has the turbo and exhaust

So at our level of tune, STD is fine

[1nando]

Guys,

I have a 2.2 110. Engine mods as follows:
-egr closed on computer and also blanked
- intercooler
-snorkel, good for cooler air intake as well as wading
-decat dump pipe.
- rear muffler removed and center muffler left on.
- alive tune through bruce davis performance

I hear you ask why leave the centre muffler?
Well l emailed alive tuning in the UK for their opinion. It was as follows:

A completely free flowing exhuat although benefial in 90% of cases is not ideal in the puma due to its vgt turbo setup. It could potentially overapool and ultimately lead to turbo failures. Therefore keeping the centre muffler helps retain some back pressure to avoid turbo overspool.
The bowler defenders use a 3 inch system but retain catalytic conveter and mufflers hence keeping some back pressure in the system.

I find that the decat with rear muffler removed offers excellent turbo reaponse and torque with a meaty mid range.

My tune currently pulls around 170hp and 450nm. Thats pretty good for a 2.2 diesel i reckon

Hope that helps gents

[SavingTheDefender]

Most factory exhausts are a compromise between cost, performance and noise reduction. I've put cost first because usually the accountant wins.

Back-pressure is a funny thing, particularly where there is a turbo involved and it's a diesel. But the basic principles are the same as a petrol engine.

Too much back-pressure can strangle the engine. Too little and you start to impact torque output. Most aftermarket systems leave the standard DPF or catalytic converter in place - regardless of the diameter of the new system - in order to maintain some back pressure in the system.

But my opinion (right or wrong) is that they probably don't swap these out due to the cost v benefit of a high flow unit and the potential emissions impact.

It's always about the $$.