Organ Donor

[mowog]

Here we have a fool keeping organ fresh for donation. This is an older video so maybe he has already made organ donations.

Suicide Pact - YouTube

[V8Ian]

If he kept to the left of the lane marker he's legal, unless he was speeding.

[Eevo]

i dont see what he did as dangerous

this is dangerous and takes skill

Ghost Rider-Moscow Ride - YouTube

[Chucaro]

What an idiot!! he/she does not deserve to be on the road :mad:

[V8Ian]

i dont see what he did as dangerous

this is dangerous and takes skill

Ghost Rider-Moscow Ride - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgiAXlS8J3k)

That's not skill, just luck and stupidity. Any fool or two year old can open the throttle fully, the skill is in between.

[mowog]

If he kept to the left of the lane marker he's legal, unless he was speeding.

He went between 2 cars the Commodore was still beside me!! Look at the speed in the video 70k thats the limit on that road. He was defiantly speeding.

[Eevo]

That's not skill, just luck and stupidity. Any fool or two year old can open the throttle fully, the skill is in between.

yeah and the guy had skill to do that sort of riding for 6min.

any fool or two year old would of been hurt of killed within the first minute.

credit where credit is due

(im not talking about the OP vid, thats just boring and not really unsafe.

[V8Ian]

Passing a vehicle on the right is a legitimate manouvre, even in the same lane. Riding a motorcycle at a speed slightly higher than the surrounding traffic is defensive riding, not necessarily legal though. I'm not saying that the fellow in your video was riding defensively.

[BreakingBad]

i dont see what he did as dangerous

this is dangerous and takes skill

Ghost Rider-Moscow Ride - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgiAXlS8J3k)

I'd have to say he also had luck on his side.

[Eevo]

I'd have to say he also had luck on his side.

no, i dont agree. with most things, skill can overcome luck.

its like playing pool. was it a lucky shot or was it skilled.
the more skill you have the less luck you need

[V8Ian]

We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Eevo]

We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

so you believe that skill plays no part in our driving? and it was pure luck that allowed me to get to work today?

[Tombie]

Ghost rider has been riding for years..
There's a lot of skill in his riding.

[Eevo]

Ghost rider has been riding for years..
There's a lot of skill in his riding.

im not sure if the moscow one is the same as the one from belgium (?)

[TeamFA]

Passing a vehicle on the right is a legitimate manouvre, even in the same lane. Riding a motorcycle at a speed slightly higher than the surrounding traffic is defensive riding, not necessarily legal though. I'm not saying that the fellow in your video was riding defensively.

I have a recent ticket to argue with you on this. As well as one from 12 months ago. The only time it's legal to pass a vehicle in the same lane is if it is safe to do so, AND the vehicle being passed has signaled it's intention to leave the carriageway.

The OP video - it's a young person (only on a 250), so suffering from typical young person syndrome - being important enough to not have to worry about obeying the law or respect other road users, while at the same time being indestructible. You see many car drivers with the same attitude. The major difference is how many innocent people your average dangerous motorcycle rider can maim or kill, compared to a car driver. I lane split as well, but only at low speed, through traffic that is stopped or moving slowly. I've also (educated guess) been riding for a lot longer than that squid, so I would bet my ability to judge the movements of the traffic and react accordingly would be better.

He's still a reckless young kid that will hopefully learn better before doing away with himself or others, but I'd rather see this than a Commodore or WRX driving with the same abandon. He leaves a lot better chance for me and my family to get home.

The "Ghost Rider"... has been around for so long. Even before youtube. And, to be sure, there are many riders who apply the moniker to themselves when uploading to youtube. A combination of skill AND luck is required to survive such a ride. Anybody who argues that it's only one or the other has no grasp of the realities of riding a motorcycle.

[Eevo]

A combination of skill AND luck is required to survive such a ride.

so why is luck required?

it's not a roll of the dice

[sheerluck]

so why is luck required?

it's not a roll of the dice

Because you can only control so much yourself. The rest of it, other drivers, road surface conditions, freak occurrences, are out of your control.

[Eevo]

Because you can only control so much yourself. The rest of it, other drivers, road surface conditions, freak occurrences, are out of your control.

without all these factors outside of our control, its a wonder people arnt dying left right and centre

[sheerluck]

without all these factors outside of our control, its a wonder people arnt dying left right and centre

They are.

Have you never watched the news and seen freak road accidents? Tyres coming off trucks and wiping out a car, trucks dropping rocks off the back and squashing a driver? Cars having a tyre blowout and wiping out the biker next to them? Big Kangaroo hopping out from the bushes in front of a car, putting it in a ditch?

Call it what you like, luck, fate, **** happens. But it happens. And it's unlikely skill will help if it does happen.

[Tombie]

A life lived in fear is not a life lived...

[sheerluck]

A life lived in fear is not a life lived...

Personally, I believe in fate. When your time is up, it's up. Control what you can and accept what you can't control.

[Bearman]

I would call that the latest version of russian roulette:o

[Eevo]

They are.

Have you never watched the news and seen freak road accidents? Tyres coming off trucks and wiping out a car, trucks dropping rocks off the back and squashing a driver? Cars having a tyre blowout and wiping out the biker next to them? Big Kangaroo hopping out from the bushes in front of a car, putting it in a ditch?

Call it what you like, luck, fate, **** happens. But it happens. And it's unlikely skill will help if it does happen.

tyres coming off trucks: truck drivers fault, not luck
trucks dropping rocks off the back: truck drivers fault, no luck
Cars having a tyre blowout and wiping out the biker next to them: never heard of it happening
Big Kangaroo hopping out from the bushes in front of a car, putting it in a ditch: i'll buy that as luck, but as we all know, when in the country, you dont drive at night and slow down at dawn/dusk

however i dont think it would be an issue for either rider in the videos posted.

[Disco Muppet]

tyres coming off trucks: truck drivers fault, not luck


Who it hits/doesn't hit.....Luck



trucks dropping rocks off the back: truck drivers fault, no luck


Same as above



Cars having a tyre blowout and wiping out the biker next to them: never heard of it happening


I've never heard of lots of things, doesn't mean it hasn't happened.



Big Kangaroo hopping out from the bushes in front of a car, putting it in a ditch: i'll buy that as luck, but as we all know, when in the country, you dont drive at night and slow down at dawn/dusk


Not everyone who drives in the country comes from the country.
I've hit a roo at 10am in the morning.
QED luck.

I'll agree that skill/experience plays a massive part in it.
But, who's skill are we talking about?
The skill of Comrade Motorbike weaving in and out of traffic at xyzkm/h?
The skill of the driver legally turning into his lane to suddenly find a motorbike in his space when a second ago it was 200m behind him?
Skill doesn't necessarily equal safe.

[sheerluck]

tyres coming off trucks: truck drivers fault, not luck
trucks dropping rocks off the back: truck drivers fault, no luck
Cars having a tyre blowout and wiping out the biker next to them: never heard of it happening.......

It may be the truck driver's fault, but it would very much be luck when it comes through your windscreen and not the guy in front of you, or the guy behind.

And the car having a blowout and wiping out the biker alongside? Happened a few cars in front of me on the M40 in the UK about 18 years ago. Front tyre blew on a car in lane 3, car swerved left, clipping the bike in lane 2, sending bike and rider under the wheels of a truck in lane 1. Pillion passenger survived. I'm glad I wasn't first to get to him (the guy whose car I was in, a special constable, had that privilege. A bit messy he said).

[V8Ian]

so you believe that skill plays no part in our driving? and it was pure luck that allowed me to get to work today?
If you need it explained, I doubt you'd get it; too many unpredicaibles and variables.

[carjunkieanon]

Go to youtube and watch videos on russian car accidents.

Lots of innocent people getting wiped out.

[BreakingBad]

no, i dont agree. with most things, skill can overcome luck.

its like playing pool. was it a lucky shot or was it skilled.
the more skill you have the less luck you need

sure, skill can reduce risk but there are always external factors (whether that be someone's fault or freak accident)

[Eevo]

I've hit a roo at 10am in the morning.
QED luck.
to be honest i think you're a bit of a muppet (or very skilled) if you manage to hit a roo at 10am.


Skill doesn't necessarily equal safe.
true, but means we dont need to live in a nanny state bowing to the lowest common dominator.

[Eevo]

sure, skill can reduce risk but there are always external factors (whether that be someone's fault or freak accident)

1) we blame luck/act of god too much.

2) i believe every situation can be prevented, avoided, or gotten out of with enough skill.

[Disco Muppet]

to be honest i think you're a bit of a muppet (or very skilled) if you manage to hit a roo at 10am.


Aren't I lucky in that I'm both? ;) :p
Major highway with a blind corner, scrub/ farmland either side. Came around the corner and skippy hopped into my lane. Truck coming the other way so no room to avoid, figured I'd rather tangle with a roo than a semi.
Skilled enough for you? :D

[V8Ian]

to be honest i think you're a bit of a muppet (or very skilled) if you manage to hit a roo at 10am.
Have you ever been past the Post Office? :confused:
true, but means we dont need to live in a nanny state bowing to the lowest common dominator.
We have a nanny state because of idiots like your Ghost Rider.

[Tombie]

We have a nanny state because of idiots like your Ghost Rider.

That's drawing a long bow...

:)

[Eevo]

figured I'd rather tangle with a roo than a semi.
Skilled enough for you? :D

funny how you didnt mention that in your original post.

yes, it takes still to first make the decision, which is going to hurt less, and then to execute that decision.

[Eevo]

We have a nanny state because of idiots like your Ghost Rider.

so let me get this straight, and please turn off your sarcasm meter, it might explode.

someone breaks the speed limit, so the authorities reduce the speed limit.

thats sure taught the guy speeding a lesson :lol2::rolleyes:
i bet he's never going to speed again.

[Disco Muppet]

funny how you didnt mention that in your original post.

yes, it takes still to first make the decision, which is going to hurt less, and then to execute that decision.

I didn't mention it because I didn't figure I'd be defending why I managed to do it. And because I didn't deem it relevant.
And it didn't hurt at all.
Not me anyway :whistling:

[TeamFA]

2) i believe every situation can be prevented, avoided, or gotten out of with enough skill.

That is utter crap.

It sounds like you fall into the young and indestructible category yourself. Except you've probably also got Ultimately Skilled syndrome as well.

[Homestar]

1) i believe every situation can be prevented, avoided, or gotten out of with enough skill.

Now I know you're just trying to wind everyone up, because no one is dumb enough to believe that...:D

[Eevo]

That is utter crap.

It sounds like you fall into the young and indestructible category yourself. Except you've probably also got Ultimately Skilled syndrome as well.

well yes, when you are super-skilled like me, you become invincible.

the sarcasm meter just had a heart attack.

noone is indestructible (except maybe Master Yoda)

[Eevo]

Now I know you're just trying to wind everyone up, because no one is dumb enough to believe that...:D

sure i do. i also know i dont have that skill.

[Homestar]

sure i do. i also know i dont have that skill.

Then by your very own comments earlier, how do you expect that every situation is avoidable when you amit that you don't have the skill? Your comments contradict each other.

[Eevo]

Then by your very own comments earlier, how do you expect that every situation is avoidable when you amit that you don't have the skill? Your comments contradict each other.

every situation is avoidable if you have the perfect skills.

is there anyone with perfect skills?

[Homestar]

every situation is avoidable if you have the perfect skills.

is there anyone with perfect skills?

No, so by your own addmission, not every situation is avoidable...;)

[FeatherWeightDriver]

every situation is avoidable if you have the perfect skills.

Even if you have perfect skills you still need to comply with the laws of physics.

Unless you have precongnition and/or telekentic and/or time manipulation powers in which case you are perfectly safe :angel:

[Eevo]

No, so by your own addmission, not every situation is avoidable...;)

you're right, we need a nanny state to protect us.
lets not focus on upskilling people. thats too hard.

[Eevo]

Unless you have precongnition and/or telekentic and/or time manipulation powers in which case you are perfectly safe :angel:

jedi powers

[V8Ian]

to be honest i think you're a bit of a muppet (or very skilled) if you manage to hit a roo at 10am.

true, but means we dont need to live in a nanny state bowing to the lowest common dominator.
Eevo, do you have a licence yet, if so are you off your 'P's yet? Do you ride a road bike? You really need to learn the difference between life and Playstation.

[Eevo]

Eevo, do you have a licence yet, if so are you off your 'P's yet? Do you ride a road bike? You really need to learn the difference between life and Playstation.

i dont own a playstation, or any other console for that matter.

i have 4 licences.
- full car
- full bike
- recreational pilots
- licence to thrill


its people like you turning us into a nanny state.

[Homestar]

you're right

I know.;)