Perentie Land Rover Buyers Guide

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day All.
With all of the time spent researching the purchase of a Perentie Ex-Army Landrover, I have decided to write and publish a Buyers guide.
This guide will educate Prospective Buyers about the history of Perentie project and the vehicles it led to.
It will include information on all variants and their significance, the reality of living with a Perentie, specific issues to look for and expected issues that may arise.
It will give hints and tips on modifying them to make them more comfortable (Power steering, turbo etc)
What I hope to achieve is a balance between preserving the Special vehicles and encouraging as many people as possible to become LR owners.

On that, I would love input and suggestions from this Forum and REMLR.
If you are looking at purchasing, what do you want to know?
If you have purchased, what has the experience been like?
Anything you didn't expect?

This is a commercial project, but I am the first to acknowledge that a large amount of information has come from contacts made in AULRO.
Therefore, if it makes a profit, be certain that I will be supporting AULRO in return.
There will also be an AULRO/ REMLR discount.

Now I know that the thought of 'Secret' info getting into the hands of the general public might upset some who have hopes of scoring 'That Special vehicle' for a pittance. Given the Auction stategy and resultant prices, that won't happen for a few years yet.
If I can help to save 'those Special vehicle' for another day (and opportunity to purchase) than I will be satisfied.

Note: This will not be a definitive History of the Perentie project, though If popular I am considering writing one.

I have created a survey to narrow down the wealth of information to just what YOU want! Please take 5 minutes to help fine tune the product.
If you are an AULRO member, please put our user name in brackets in the contact form, last question.
***Survey closed, thanks for valuable input***

Looking forward to your input.
Barefoot Dave.

[Blknight.aus]

Dave has already contacted me on this with regards to using some of my threads as source material, he asked me to provide him with a written permission to use the information in my threads on AULRO and since Ive not done it yet, here it is in its more or less form.


Generally anything I put into AULRO I'm writing off to open source with AULRO being the primary holder of the copyright and the information any other pre-existing limitations placed on AULRO communal information still apply




you may use the information I have given on AULRO providing you vet it past me first to make sure you havent accidentally tried to quote something I was being sarcastic about or that the information is still correct and valid

If your document is an electronic edition that links or embeds information in a direct manner then you are to host the information in an undedited manner on your own service provision or obtain permission to operate the direct links from the hosting service of AULRO.

if its not for profit, have at it, if you quote sources then its the AULRO community that gets the quote.

if its for profit then my share of the profits go directly to AURLO with a 75/25 split between AULRO and REMLR (this is not a firm % split nor has it been officially negotiated, as I understand it the REMLR side of business sits on the AULRO servers and is a sub area of the whole AULRO deal, the intent is to cover the costs as I understand the loading split to be)

This statement does not intentionally cover any of the information that is from or is augmented by other forum members within threads that are quoted.

you may not give permission for others to use the same information as you have used quoting your document as the source however they may use the information quoting the source as the AULRO community under the same guidelines as above.

[Blknight.aus]

oh, also....

If Dave hits me for any information that is not already within REMLR/AULRO I'll write up a thread for him to quote from.

[Barefoot Dave]

Thanks Dave.
Agreed to all the above.

Just so it is clear to all:
I am not simply copy/ pasting the various threads from AULRO into a single document.
Any Information (mainly BLknights) from here will only be used subject to a (yet to be had) discussion with Incisor and the Authors. I am mainly after personal experiences and anecdotes about living with these vehicles.
Many of you know that i am an Ex-Army vehicle operator with more than enough to say by myself. :)
Regards, BDave.

[Barefoot Dave]

A big thanks to all those who have contributed so far.
A free copy will be on the way as soon as I publish!
The hardest thing is deciding what not to include. Very clearly going to have enough material to do a follow upPerentie History :-)

Cheers, BDave.

[Blknight.aus]

I'm actually not sure why you're bothering, I can do it with just a few paragraphs.

so your thinking of buying a perentie.

Unless you're

1. A hard core ex military enthusiast,
2. prepared to accept that all the money spent on designing the vehicle went into getting it from A-B and not one cent was spent on ergonomics, comfort, noise deadning, airconditioning, asthetics or any other girly do it for me electronics
3. already a landrover nutter

Dont buy one.

If you do happen to be

1. A hard core ex military enthusiast, then you already know how infuriatingly stupid military gear is designed and how hard they are to maintain and operate no reason you shouldnt buy one

2. prepared to accept that all the money spent on designing the vehicle went into getting it from A-B and not one cent was spent on ergonomics, comfort, noise deadning, airconditioning, asthetics or any other girly do it for me electronics, You already own either a series/county or early defender dont you? this is probably the last box to be ticked on your man card accomplishments list

3. already a landrover nutter, Trying to stop you buying one will be like trying to tell a 16yo boy to not look at porn. I wont waste the keystrokes

[87County]

I'm actually not sure why you're bothering, I can do it with just a few paragraphs.

so your thinking of buying a perentie.

Unless you're

1. A hard core ex military enthusiast,
2. prepared to accept that all the money spent on designing the vehicle went into getting it from A-B and not one cent was spent on ergonomics, comfort, noise deadning, airconditioning, asthetics or any other girly do it for me electronics
3. already a landrover nutter

Dont buy one.

If you do happen to be

1. A hard core ex military enthusiast, then you already know how infuriatingly stupid military gear is designed and how hard they are to maintain and operate no reason you shouldnt buy one

2. prepared to accept that all the money spent on designing the vehicle went into getting it from A-B and not one cent was spent on ergonomics, comfort, noise deadning, airconditioning, asthetics or any other girly do it for me electronics, You already own either a series/county or early defender dont you? this is probably the last box to be ticked on your man card accomplishments list

3. already a landrover nutter, Trying to stop you buying one will be like trying to tell a 16yo boy to not look at porn. I wont waste the keystrokes

good points Dave... BUT -

The front seats in those "Perentie" 110s have to be the best I have used in any 110/109 LR.

So they did actually pay attention to safety/comfort in one important way..... my $0.02 worth

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day Dave.
Are you trying to drive the prices down still? ;)

But seriously, given there is national media interest in the sales AND overseas buyers present at the auctions, I came to the conclusion that it is viable.
There are many more reason that drive me, but not for open discussion. Give me a call if you wish.

As to value for money;
$60K gets you this:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/07/1259.jpg

Hardly light years away in refinement and NVH levels.
~$8K plus another $5-6 in sound deadening, PAS kit, Turbo and AC and you could have a fleet for the price of one!

The defence rests, Your honour!
BDave.

[isuzutoo-eh]

I know I want one I just don't know which one :)

[Bearman]

Don't buy one yet Mark, the more that are sold the cheaper the prices will get. I reckon by the time they have sold a couple of thou they will be flat out giving them away. That will be the time to buy one. I reckon I will probably buy one as well but it may well be a u/s or incomplete one as I probably have enough spares to rebuild one:D

[Blknight.aus]

sarcasm guys sarcasm.

my moneys says its about 12-18 months before we reach the goldilocks zone for the perenties

[ian4002000]

How hard is it going to be to fit air con and power steer to these ex armies ? will there be enough power boxes around to fit ?

[the mike]

hey guys i just got a 92 6x6 from Townsville and im loving it. its in very good condition drives better than my 99 model 130 dual cab, that i will have to get rid of now.
the back of those 6x6 is built so strong i had no idea just how strong they made them. and its going to make a great camper for me and my son.

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day The Mike.
Welcome to AULRO. Glad you are happy with your purchase. A Camper is the conversion many people have in mind. You'll go more places than a hino conversion will.
Cheers, BDave.

[wayne]

Is it correct that the average fuel consumption of the 6X6 vehicles is around 4km per liter? :eek:

[Blknight.aus]

How hard is it going to be to fit air con and power steer to these ex armies ? will there be enough power boxes around to fit ?

yep, you can use the rangie, county, deefender and the disco box if your willing to make some mods, the proper suzi powersteering pump is the hard bit to get


hey guys i just got a 92 6x6 from Townsville and im loving it. its in very good condition drives better than my 99 model 130 dual cab, that i will have to get rid of now.
the back of those 6x6 is built so strong i had no idea just how strong they made them. and its going to make a great camper for me and my son.

Strong enough that with some dunnage under the wheels to protect the ally tray that you can put a fully overloaded FFR on the top and then drive cross country with it.


Is it correct that the average fuel consumption of the 6X6 vehicles is around 4km per liter? :eek:

Depends on your boot and the load 4k/l is the military planning economy for it (or there abouts) you can get them up to 8-9k/l

[87County]

How hard is it going to be to fit air con and power steer to these ex armies ? will there be enough power boxes around to fit ?

p/s unit is a straight exchange + an isuzu engine pump

forget aircon, open the vents & roll the sides of the canopy up, or if it's a hard top - enjoy the benefits of the safari roof

(I'm told it's possible to squeeze a corolla a/c unit in)

[isuzutoo-eh]

Don't buy one yet Mark, the more that are sold the cheaper the prices will get. I reckon by the time they have sold a couple of thou they will be flat out giving them away. That will be the time to buy one. I reckon I will probably buy one as well but it may well be a u/s or incomplete one as I probably have enough spares to rebuild one:D

No fear there mate, I have a long term plan of acquisition...
...and the version I am after is one of the more common and (hopefully) less desirable versions ;)


I would like to know if the incomplete/unserviceable ones will be registerable with the fairly recent changes to written off/rebirthing laws. I have enough One Ten already, just want a firewall and chassis and a few other special bits really. Could fit a decent fuel tank where the spare hangs on a 4x4!

[Barefoot Dave]

Mark, RE: incomplete/ US vehicles. I had that conversation with grays staff.
They stated that the vehicles were NOT on the WOVR but the Intention was that they would not be returned to the road. They refused to be drawn on the terminology.
Make of that what you will.

If they don't say you can't.......
Cheers, BDave.

[S12A]

my 110 Perentie is heaps roomier than my old defender 130 , which is nice!

[slippery]

If you buy a ex army parentie be aware that buying spare parts will be a nightmare, if not now, these vehicles have many parts that are exclusive, you will not buy off the shelf later on, if you can do now, I have had landrovers for over 40 years now and wouldn't buy a parentie unless they where cheap enough to buy 2 (one on blocks for spares), much better off with a 110.

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day Slippery.
The Perenties are 95% a JRA parts-bin special.
Special variants have some bespoke components, but they are hardly irrepairable.
4x4 Surveillance front diffs for example and the rear suspension/ drivetrain on the 6x6s, otherwise, just a matter of knowing the parts numbers and finding a stockist of '80s isuzu rover bits.
The ADF is also offloading its'spares inventory and I am sure that Domestic LR specialists or enterprising individuals will be stocking up with this gear.
I hope this helps.

[isuzurover]

If you buy a ex army parentie be aware that buying spare parts will be a nightmare, if not now, these vehicles have many parts that are exclusive, you will not buy off the shelf later on, if you can do now, I have had landrovers for over 40 years now and wouldn't buy a parentie unless they where cheap enough to buy 2 (one on blocks for spares), much better off with a 110.

There are only a small number of special parts, and most of these can be replaced by civvie equivalents if needed.

Obviously the 4x4 chassis and 6x6 chassis, axle housings, halfshafts and body are not available, but unlikely to need replacing barring a major accident.

Apart from that, the special 4.7 CW&P in the 6x6 is able to be replaced by likely superior components from Ashcroft and the like if it fails.

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day all.
I have had a great response so far, but you know what the say: "The more you look, the more you find!"
I have created a survey to fine tune what stays in the final product and added a link in the OP, but for those that are too lazy ;), here it is;

Buyers guide to Ex-Military Land Rovers Survey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/N8QYHLR)

Even if you don't intend buying the guide or a Ex-ADF Land Rover, please take 5 minutes to give me some feedback.
If you are an AULRO member, please put our user name in brackets in the contact form, last question.

PS, Yeah, Yeah, 'Ex- Military is Ameri-speak!'. I know, it is a search engine thing.

[Mick_Marsh]

If you buy a ex army parentie be aware that buying spare parts will be a nightmare, if not now, these vehicles have many parts that are exclusive, you will not buy off the shelf later on, if you can do now, I have had landrovers for over 40 years now and wouldn't buy a parentie unless they where cheap enough to buy 2 (one on blocks for spares), much better off with a 110.
In your opinion.
I dare say the parts for a Perentie will be easier to find than parts for a 101.
Better off with a 110!! I think not.

[87County]

In your opinion.
I dare say the parts for a Perentie will be easier to find than parts for a 101.
Better off with a 110!! I think not.

I'm thinking that slippers is maybe trying to talk down the the price of the most desirable 2nd hand LRs ever to have come on the market ?

[Blknight.aus]

may want to amend service history to be military history, its very close in terminology to the maintenance history
and question 8 wont accept if you only fill in other,

[Barefoot Dave]

Thanks Mr Knight.
Fixes in place, cheers.

[Ryan_]

Survey done Dave,

My biggest interest as a potential buyer would be to know what/how much maintenance has been done, and how to identify this

These are 25 year old vehicles pushing probably 200k + hard Km regardless of what the odo reads

Would be interesting to get more details from anyone who worked on the refurbs down at South Bandiana to see how extensive the refurbs have been in recent years and if they have tapered off in anticipation of off loading them.

[Blknight.aus]

Survey done Dave,

These are 25 year old vehicles pushing probably 200k + hard Km regardless of what the odo reads



not so much.

[303gunner]

My biggest interest as a potential buyer would be to know what/how much maintenance has been done, and how to identify this

These are 25 year old vehicles pushing probably 200k + hard Km regardless of what the odo reads.
Most of, if not quite all, the vehicles are being sold with their maintenance logbooks.

[87County]

Most of, if not quite all, the vehicles are being sold with their maintenance logbooks.

A number of them have had bare chassis rebuilds since 2000 which have included new or rebuilt components, in these cases buyers are getting a 25 year old motor car which has been returned as far as possible to new condition.

moral: read & check the logbook before choosing

[Barefoot Dave]

Ryan, it is a very high priority for me to get as much information about the Tenix refurb project, but it is presenting a couple of dificulties.
BAE started the work then sold their Land Defence business to Tenix.
Tenix went bust towards the end of the project.
It is secret ADF business ; )
I am working on a number of sources to piece together the full story.
What I can say is I have seen a few of these vehicle go for the same price as non-refurbished vehicles.
So, as 87 county says, check the Mods/ maintenance history.

[Ryan_]

Very useful information already! thanks for the hints :thumbsup:

I havent made it out to Minto first hand, I would have liked to get there this weekend, however too busy getting the fam ready for a vacation.

Hopefully the next round of auctions i will start doing some real inspecting and check out the log books - I didn't realise the refurbs were quite so extensive in scope.. interesting

[frantic]

Not sure if this is a minor or major issue but having a look at the blue slips on grays (NSW) they are all listed as 2 seaters:eek: . The 4 door wagons with 8-9 seats and the 2 door hard and soft tops with up to 10 seats all have 2 seats listed on the blue slip. This could impact on insurance in a prang or could be a major pain in future rego inspections. In the case of the 9 and 10 seaters they would also need to be regoed as a bus not ute, which is what they had the 4 door wagon as , along with the soft tops.

[Barefoot Dave]

Frantic, thanks for the heads-up, this was raised a couple of days ago in the Auctions thread here:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/1956385-post492.html

I hope this helps.

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day all.
Thanks for the great response to my Survey. I am closing it to this audience now to move on to the next stage of research.

[the mike]

Not sure if this is a minor or major issue but having a look at the blue slips on grays (NSW) they are all listed as 2 seaters:eek: . The 4 door wagons with 8-9 seats and the 2 door hard and soft tops with up to 10 seats all have 2 seats listed on the blue slip. This could impact on insurance in a prang or could be a major pain in future rego inspections. In the case of the 9 and 10 seaters they would also need to be regoed as a bus not ute, which is what they had the 4 door wagon as , along with the soft tops.
the 6x6 i just bought is 10 seater but plate on it says its a 3 seater so i have remove all rear seating , not that i want those anyway and have it replated as 2 seater. the condition of mine is great the guy doing the road worthy on it said only problem he could find was small leak on power steer line but he said is was not worth the trouble to fix.

[Barefoot Dave]

G'day the-mike!
Welcome to the forum.
Were you one of the lucky ones that scored an early '90s vehicle that is only 3yrs into its second life?
What are your plans for the seating and IIMV (Interim Infantry Mobility Vehicle) pod?

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day all.
I have built a basic site with information on the products to get a presence on the web.
NOTE: the checkout is active, but the stock is still in boxes, so don't buy anything just yet, send me an Email if you are interested.
Will update when things are fully functional.
The full guide is still about 3-4 weeks away and not all of the content/ pages/ links are working perfectly.
Would love to hear your feedback.

I will be at Brisbane today and Minto tomorrow taking HD video of anything I can, so if you are interested in a vehicle, let me know.
Say G'Day if you spot me. I won't have time for a long chat though, due to time restrictions. Apologies in advance if I seem rude.
The videos are not free, but I will look after AULRO members.
It sure beats going to the Auctions. I'll post a sample video up so you can preview the product.
This service will cover all major Grays auctions with private/ other auctions available $TBA


buymilitaryvehicles.com (http://www.buymilitaryvehicles.com)

[juddy]

Why a big price between GS and RFVS?

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day Juddy.
Have been given some guidance about valuing information.
I'm working on the balance between;Lower turnover/ higher overheads/ greater potential for risk to the buyer (higher value of information)/ etc.

I'm no great Entrepeneur, just getting started, so working things out as best as I can. :)
The market will value things for me, as you know.
Thanks for the interest.

[juddy]

Cheers Dave, and let me know when you have my copy to buy.... should be good reading;)

[Blknight.aus]

side offer if it helps anyone (or dave putting together his info

most people know that I swing spanners fro the ADF.

If someone has a copy or is willing to make a copy of their GM120 (service log book) for interpretration Im happy to put the effort into deciphering one for the benifit of the forum.

similarly,

if you have a perentie of any sort and have its 120 but cant make heads or tails of it, Im happy to decipher it if you scan it to .jpg or into a pdf.

[pasi]

G'Day all.
I have built a basic site with information on the products to get a presence on the web.
NOTE: the checkout is active, but the stock is still in boxes, so don't buy anything just yet, send me an Email if you are interested.
Will update when things are fully functional.
The full guide is still about 3-4 weeks away and not all of the content/ pages/ links are working perfectly.
Would love to hear your feedback.

I will be at Brisbane today and Minto tomorrow taking HD video of anything I can, so if you are interested in a vehicle, let me know.
Say G'Day if you spot me. I won't have time for a long chat though, due to time restrictions. Apologies in advance if I seem rude.
The videos are not free, but I will look after AULRO members.
It sure beats going to the Auctions. I'll post a sample video up so you can preview the product.
This service will cover all major Grays auctions with private/ other auctions available $TBA


buymilitaryvehicles.com (http://www.buymilitaryvehicles.com)

way to go barefoot dave!

looking forward to you getting the site/guide fully functional. curious to learn how the minto flock looked like today?

cheers,

pasi

[VladTepes]

I'd be interested in said book and would love to know the differences between the various permutations of the army Land Rover / Perentie.

Out of interest what designation was the "bush tucker man's" Land Rover from the series. That's what cemented my LR obsession in the first place......

[Blknight.aus]

One of our forumites has scanned me his gm120....

I'll start decoding after I get back from skiing

but from the history on it...

he got a well looked after unit, even if the last tech inspects were "dodgy"

[Disco Muppet]

Out of interest what designation was the "bush tucker man's" Land Rover from the series. That's what cemented my LR obsession in the first place......

It was the first Perentie AFAIK.
Soft top, doesn't look like an FFR, bench seats in the back.

[Barefoot Dave]

Gday Pasi.
From Minto；
The 2 Carryalls are the best of this round. The OD one, oddly missing it's logs, looks very well cared for. The cam one well used but ok and has good logs.
There is one rebuild, look for a GS that is getting more interest than others.
Dave, i'll be in touch soon. Please advise when back in town by PM. Have fun skiing and maintain integrity of major bones. :cool:

[Blknight.aus]

oddly,


some of the disposed vehicles records are still available on DRN....

[pasi]

Gday Pasi.
From Minto；
The 2 Carryalls are the best of this round. The OD one, oddly missing it's logs, looks very well cared for. The cam one well used but ok and has good logs.
There is one rebuild, look for a GS that is getting more interest than others.
Dave, i'll be in touch soon. Please advise when back in town by PM. Have fun skiing and maintain integrity of major bones. :cool:

thanks barefoot dave,

in waiting to buy the yet to be printed manuals to decipher perentie jargon, could you kindly shine a light on; OD (olive drab, over drive?), cam(ouflage?) and GS (gun ship?):confused:

cheers,

pasi

[Disco Muppet]

thanks barefoot dave,

in waiting to buy the yet to be printed manuals to decipher perentie jargon, could you kindly shine a light on; OD (olive drab, over drive?), cam(ouflage?) and GS (gun ship?):confused:

cheers,

pasi

Yep, Olive Drab and Camouflage.
GS is general service AFAIK, i.e not a specific model like an FFR (Fitted For Radio)

[pasi]

Yep, Olive Drab and Camouflage.
GS is general service AFAIK, i.e not a specific model like an FFR (Fitted For Radio)

thanks disco muppet!

just need to find my 4D glasses to be able make the difference between OD and cam;)

cheers,

pasi

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day Pasi.
Thanks Muppet.
Sorry for the MilSpeak, force of habit. I had become a civvy for a while, but recent contact with the vehicles and subject matter has me flashing back a bit ;)
Od- Olive, Drab (Green) or Drab Olive if you are normal.
Cam (ouflage) or AustCam(OzCam)/ Disruptive Patter Camouflage (a bit redundant) Used to be like th evehicles are spraued then they brought in the digital pattern you see on the canvas canopies.
Vehicle nomenclature below;
All are referred to as MC2 for Mobility Category 2 (what sort of terrain or water they can cross.
Unimogs and 6x6 Mack trucks are MC1, not much stops them except very soft ground.
So;
4x4s (Lightweight)

Truck, Utility, Lightweight,(Cargo/ GS or General Service) MC2
Truck, Utility, Lightweight, (GS) Winch, MC2
Truck, Utility, Lightweight, FFR (Fitted For Radio), MC2
Truck, Utility, Lightweight, FFR, Winch, MC2
Truck, Panel, Lightweight, Survey, FFR,(3 door panelvan) Winch, MC2
Truck, Carryall, Lightweight, Senior Commander, FFR,(5 door Station wagon) Winch, MC2
Truck, Carryall, Lightweight, Personnel Carrier,(5 door Station wagon) MC2
Truck, Surveillance, Lightweight, Winch, MC2 (RFSV, Regional Forces Surveillance Vehicle)
Truck, Surveillance, Lightweight, Winch, MC2 (Special(Surveillance)Recon Vehicle)SRV, 4 seat)
Truck, Surveillance, Lightweight, Winch, MC2 (SRV/ SF (Special Forces)

6x6(Light)
Truck, Cargo, Light, MC2 (Trayback(GS)
Truck, Cargo, Light, Winch, (GS)MC2
Truck, Ambulance,4 Litter, FFR, Winch,(Blood Box) MC2
Truck, General Maintenance, Light, Winch, MC2 (General Maintanence Vehicle)GMV)
Truck, Electronic Repair, Light, MC2 (Electronic Repair Vehicel)ERV)
Truck, Comsec Repair Workshop Vehicle, Light, MC2
Truck, Long Range Patrol, Light, Winch, MC2 (Long Range Patrol Vehicle)LRPV, Special Air Service Regiment, SASR only)

I hope this helps.

[pasi]

thanks barefoot dave,

today was my first auction that i payed some attention to and quite an experience it was. it's somehow very emotional. fortunately you can't work yourself into a similar group hysteria as you see at on site auctions.

i believe to have seen the numbers for different types of vehicles and their auctioning locations at aulro. but where... will you include that info in your guide? has anyone kept track of the number of landies that have been auctioned so far (in this years clearance, that is)?

about the list of different types of vehicles; are there some that would be driven with a lighter foot by nature of the type of work its detachment does (like not regularly throwing them out of airplanes)?

cheers,

pasi

[the mike]

ok i have a question, how do i put my 6x6 into 6x6 ?? i was told they are 4x4 until you engage it into 6x6, i have no manual telling me how to do it or do it so i dont break nothing.there is a switch on the dash something about cross country and on road i think it said from memory lol busy pulling it apart at the moment and have not really taken it for a good drive yet. really would love a manual for one of these on how to service these things best.
hope someone can help me

[juddy]

It surprises me DOD have not issued user manuals for these...

Or who ever printed them to do a new civilian print run, might help a lot of people out.

I think REMLR might have some information but they seem very reluctant to offer it out so I am led to believe.

Hopefully Dave will offer the manual to purchase in the near future.

[isuzutoo-eh]

When you lock the centre diff it also engages the third axle. Easy!

Oh yeah, the centre diff lock is the pneumatic switch labelled cross country :D

[the mike]

thanks!! i thought that might be it but was not 100% on this...my 130 does not have the 3rd axle haha

[Barefoot Dave]

UPDATE:
Getting close folks.
Vehicle Inspection guides are close to finished, to be sent out for trial prior to release.
THE guide is VERY close. been focussing on the Inspection guides to get things rolling while waiting for info on Tenix projects. That is proving difficult.

My RFSV should be home by the end of next week. Can't really release a buyers guide without buying one first, eh?

EMEI/ MOD cross reference is complete as I can get it without original workshop schedules, to be checked by RAEME/ Spanner types.
Will see if Blknights is better.

Word on the streets is: you can expect the auctions to become monthly in many locations. There is an apparant issue with CES/ all spare wheels not being supplied and worrying talk of pallet loads of covers being dumped and CES going for scrap. If you have contacts in Log/ RAEME/ Q areas, please let me know so things can be saved!

More on this to follow, Wait out.

[Blknight.aus]

Vehicles are being autctioned sans CES so no manuals for you guys.

[Barefoot Dave]

Thanks, Dave.

Looks like I might have to look at the market need for 'Technical Manual, User Handbooks'.

[Bigbjorn]

What is CES?

[Disco Muppet]

What is CES?

Common Equipment Set if I'm not mistaken. Tool kit.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Complete Equipment Schedule i think...


Meaning things like spare, jack, gardening tools...

[Blknight.aus]

Complete equipment schedule

comes in many different "levels"
from memory
the basic CES is what you need to change a tyre (and things like the batteries in an FFr)
the next level includes the fire extinguisher, first aid kit (which has its own CES) and the tool kit + gardening tools

[Barefoot Dave]

What they said^^
Officially, the list runs out to a few pages, as all the hood sticks, bows, etc. are included. 47 different items for a GS 4x4 by the time you add spare tyres, tubes, tube valves.. Then add multiples of small spares like globes.
But what most refer to is the basics the Knight refers to. Simple tyre changing gear.
Which raises the question:
If a vehicle requires tyre changing gear to be roadworthy, is a NSW blue slip invalid if it missing?
*Puts can of worms down and retires to a safe distance*:wasntme:

[juddy]

As all ready talked about, I can see no logical reason to remove a jack and wheel brace, then scrap them.

Basic tools for any vehicle, makes sence too not to supply locker keys, why make it easy to get to the battery's if they need charging

[Blknight.aus]

cause the jacks have a maintenance overhead and a liability attached to them.

and you dont need any ces items to get into the battery box for charging

FFR's have a charge port on the PDB and the starting battery is under the seat.

all proper shed class landrovers have the banana jacks on them somewhere that will let you plug in a charger or use a trouble light.

[usi]

That is quite interesting they are stripping gear out

I purchased from the first round to go on the market and i received the following

Fire extinguisher
bin key
jack + handle
hardwood jack stand
lug wrench
1 rusty can opener

and a brand new spare

Came in handy today tyre went flat on the highway and rolled off the rim at 110!
I can tick that one off the list of near misses

[Barefoot Dave]

That is quite interesting they are stripping gear out

I purchased from the first round to go on the market and i received the following

Fire extinguisher
bin key
jack + handle
hardwood jack stand
lug wrench
1 rusty can opener

and a brand new spare

Came in handy today tyre went flat on the highway and rolled off the rim at 110!
I can tick that one off the list of near misses

Geez, USI. talked about mixed blessings.
Nearly dead, but you got a bonus FRED!
Soak it in WD40 and in 5 yrs (given the current rate of appreciation in the FRED index), you will be able to awap it for another 110!
But seriously, was yours a Blue slip vehicle?

[usi]

Came with the blue slip, No regrets with the purchase

Nothing like setting out on some new trails getting filthy and the cab dusted thoroughly

[Disco Muppet]

Soak it in WD40 and in 5 yrs (given the current rate of appreciation in the FRED index), you will be able to awap it for another 110!


I lost count of the number of FREDs I "salvaged" for mates, friends of the family, distant relatives, etc on camps :angel:
Of course, we had a slightly different interpretation of the acronym...:twisted:





Nothing like setting out on some new trails getting filthy and the cab dusted thoroughly

Stop it you, you're getting me all nostalgic now! :p

[mudmouse]

Second round lots (at Minto) had the jack etc in them too.

If some peanut has declared the hydraulic jack a liability, they should consider the factory issue scissor jack in most new cars today - scrap value only.

The military bottle jack is superb. A piece of paper with 'Don't get under a vehicle without a jack stand' or similar should be sufficient - or let Darwinism take its course.

It's such a shame we let morons set the pace when it comes to enjoying ourselves...

Bring on the next auction round!

Matt.

[U1700]

Thanks Dave.
I am mainly after personal experiences and anecdotes about living with these vehicles.
Many of you know that i am an Ex-Army vehicle operator with more than enough to say by myself. :)
Regards, BDave.

In case its of interest to you i was working for an engineering company in Sydney 20 years ago when we were asked to tender for a contract building the chassis for these 6x6 110's .

We missed out on the contract but i recall they were desperate to get them rolling.

All i recall from the spec was the chassis were all to be galvanised after fabrication and had an intricate QA qualification.

I am still browsing here looking for that buyers guide ( spent about 20 hours reading so far ) , i have interest in the moggies too if someone can point me to any service records / defect guides for what is coming up for sale.
Its going to be a long journey , there is 2268 or so of those still to be sold as the new MANN's are delivered.

[U1700]

One of our forumites has scanned me his gm120....

I'll start decoding after I get back from skiing

but from the history on it...

he got a well looked after unit, even if the last tech inspects were "dodgy"

If the very recent tech inspects look dodgy then i suspect it may be that ;

various bases want to get their share of new vehicles ASAP , so they must defect the old ones in order to get priority on replacements.

therefore previously working vehicles might get some water poured in the fuel tank , or some airlines slashed that operate gearbox selectors / drives , or fuel lines accidentally crushed.

the vehicle is then defected for being irrepairable and they get shortlisted for upgrades.

the above is only my suspicion and i could be completely wrong

if its a sensitive topic feel free to have a moderator delete the content and PM me about it

[Blknight.aus]

dodgy because the TI's show the vehicle to be in much better condition than it probably is and it had 2 TI's in very rapid succession.

decoding his GM120 is still on the list but Im time poor ATM.

[the mike]

Does the military have any dual cab perenties? Does any one know?

[isuzurover]

Does the military have any dual cab perenties? Does any one know?

Not 4x4.

4x4 come in 2dr soft top (most) and 5dr wagon configuration.
6x6 - see below - looks like there are some dual cabs

[isuzutoo-eh]

There are photos floating around of a couple of dual cab sixbies, see Juddy's post on REMLR
different 6x6 models (http://remlr.com/forum/index.php'topic=1370.0)

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day all.
Firstly, Thank-you for your patience.
This process has been a great exercise in practicing my Project management skills as I have to deal with scope creep!
It seems that I have struck a nerve with many people (in a good way).
THis whole process has been quite a steep learning curve with a resultant increase in the lead time to publishing.
This would be a familiar tune to any that have dived into Publishing and E-Pub for the first time.
In the last few months I have had to learn


Writing and publishing techniques and 'Rules'
E-business establishment and security issues
SEO, affilliate marketing etc, etc
prioritisation of opportunities and offers as they arise.

That and continuing to be an active parent, work part time and run an SES group full time!


Anyway, an update.
All products will be PDFs. The purchaser buys them via Paypal, I recieve a sale confirmation and then provide the documents using Dropbox.
You simply follow the emailed link and click 'Download'.
This makes the process as quick as possible, until I can program the robots to do it instantly ;)
PDF is stable on most platforms making the Guides fully portable or people can print off the relevant sections to take with them.
The future may include an App based inspection guide that can be saved and collated.

The 4x4 vehicle Visual Inspection Guide(3.0) is finished and will be available from Wednesday.
Technical issues with the website are holding things up until then.

The VIG is a 11pages and designed for an individual 2nd hand inspection as well as assisting the short-listing process at auction.
Finding the fine line between a basic inspection guide and a Mil style Technical inspection was interesting.
The VIG will be $9.70.


The full Buyers guide which includes the VIGs, information on the Tenix rebuild process and how to spot one, EMEI/ Mod number Decoder chart, Variant specs and breakdown, Interviews with the Operators, Mechanics and Engineers who work on them and a whole heap more will be online by the end of Next weekend.
Introductory/ AULRO price will be $47.50.


There are a number of things I am working on relating to the Perenties.
Packages of RPS with photos of assemblies, vehicle Inspection services (by Current and Former ADF MEchanics) and much more.
Stay tuned!!



Thanks again for the interest and support.

[pasi]

thanks for the update bdave.

sounds like you've stacked up a pile of new(?) skills on the way. looking forward to reading the guide.

cheers,

pasi

[eibocs]

I have a 110 FFR soft top. $8.5k back in June 2013 from Grays Minto.

It's very hard to park without power steering unless you have 2 car spaces available which is hard to find in Sydney. I looked up power stearing on this site 3 weeks ago and had it fitted for $1700 from KLS South Winsor. Now It's a dream to drive. Also they can supply and fit turbo's at approx $4k. I will save up for that.
John.

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day folks.
I am pleased to announce that all technical issues have been sorted and I am in Business!
The Visual Inspection Guides, 4x4 and 6x6 are up for sale on the site.
I have opted for a one size fits all approach and expanded the VIGs slightly to include all variants currently available.
They are all AUD$9. 70.

Now, back to work on finishing the full Buyers Guide!
Remember, both VIGs are included in the Buyers Guide, so don't buy just yet if you want ALL the Intel ;)
At this stage I cannot include the Operators manuals, full EMEIs of Complete RPS.
RPS Groups are available as a package with detailed photos- POA.

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day All.
The storms in SEQ have played havok with my timetable this week, not to mention my computer!
The Full Guide will be available Tomorrow evening, 18/ 11/ 13.
If anyone is going to the auctions tomorrow and needs SOMETHING, I am happy to provide the Visual Inspection Guides before then and credit their price from the Buyers Guide IF you purchase it in the next 7 days.
This is a once only offer as I know a few of you are waiting to bid on vehicles this round.
Purchase a guide from the website and note your User name and "AULRO Credit Offer" in the 'Message to Seller' box.

[Barefoot Dave]

Yep, finally done!:twobeers::twobeers::arms::arms:
To those who have assisted and encouraged me through the process, I thank you!
Looking forward to my first weekend in 4months!
All those who have pre ordered, I will send an email notification or just hit the website up.
Shipping within 24hours electronically.
Manual dispatch for know until I can program the robots ;)

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day all.
Please Note:
Any ongoing AULRO pricing will be for payed Subscribers only.
I don't want to see AULRO swamped by single posters just looking for a discount. Keep the wheels turning ;)
Dave

[TeamWB]

Great idea! Ill get myself a copy.

Now, does anybody have a heads up on when the next lot may be up for auction? None on grays, pickles or Australian Frontline Machinery.

I'm only green to this concept of ex-mil auctions, so not sure how to go about finding them.

EDIT: Looks like I just missed out :(. How often do these things come around?

[Barefoot Dave]

G'day mate.
The Auctions are held monthly.
Sydney every month, Bris most, and Adelaide, Melb, Perth, Darwin as they come.
You can register with Australian Frontline Machinery, AFM, for notification of dates.

[ajge]

G'Day Dave

Downloaded and read your buyers guide. Thanks for your work on this.
It's good to have all the information in one place.
I have already a RFSV but still find the guide usefull.
The guide will help potential buyers look at these 110's without rose glasses.
I would strongly recommend a full inspection with the buyers guide on hand, especially if buying one of the special versions like the RFSV.
You may like to update the contact details of KLR in NSW as they have moved.

Regards
Andrew

[Barefoot Dave]

Andrew, thanks for the feedback and testimonial! Which RFSV did you buy?

How useable/ informative would you rate the EMEI: Mod decoder?

[TeamWB]

Thanks BDave,

I have already registered. This is a very useful thread to come at these auctions with an objective mindset, which is hard to do given some of the low reserves!

[PhilipA]

OK I don't know if you already know this but it may add to the store of knowledge on Perentie.
I was speaking to a long time acquaintance tonight at a party and he told me that his company built all of the wide body cabs for the Perentie project.

The company name is McRitchie Metal Fabrications at Milperra and he said he built the complete cab and there were about 80 pressings involved. He did not make the bonnets as they were imported from UK.

He also won a contract for supply of parts ( I assume body parts ) for ambulances and I also assume he built the ambulance bodies, as he said it was great because all he did was press additional panels on the production line. He said he had the contract for 10 years.
Regards Philip A

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day Phillip.
A long term project is a Perentie history, so i would be very interested in talking to your mate.
If you would see if he is interested in sharing his story, please PM contact details with his authority.

[yamba24]

G'Day guys. Mark here. Came across the forum, and am very glad I did. After a few years of not doing tax returns (refund every year, it was just forced savings) I finally did my returns, and have a nice little amount in my pocket for a Perentie.
I missed the last round of auctions, but have found a few online. Dealers are asking around $13k-$15k, and private sellers are around $12k. Is it worth waiting till the next round of auctions? I did notice someone say that there were still over 2200 vehicles to be sold. I can only assume that the prices will fall as the market is saturated. Plus, if all the ones with faults/problems are sold off first, doesn't that mean that the last ones will be in great nick?
On the other hand, I WANT ONE NOOOWWW!!!
BDave, I am going to get your guide, but I was just after some advuce from the forum.
Thanks heaps guys.
yamba24

[juddy]

It could also mean the last ones out have more issues, or in worse condition, especially if they are having to use them more with the slow introduction of the G-Wagons.

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day Yamba.
My thoughts on Supply/ demand are in the Perentie Prices thread :
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/2017358-post674.html

I hope this helps.

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day All.
Thanks for the great support from members in purchasing the Perentie Land Rover Buyers and Visual Inspection Guides!!

I am excited to announce some new products to the line-up.
I recently came into the possession of an original LRA, Initial Production Vehicle Display folder.
Repatriated from the old country, it is safe in convict hands again ;)
It wasn't cheap, but i couldn't let it languish in Blighty another day longer.

SO WHAT!!!??? I hear you cry?

I have decided to do a Limited (100) run of reproductions.
58, 6"x4" prints on 33 pages.
It is also available as a High-Resolution PDF
Hard copy is $56.70, a fraction of what it cost and I have never seen one before!
Digital version is $25.00
Go Here: (http://buymilitaryvehicles.com/collections/perentie-display-products)

Shipping in Oz by Express Post for Xmas.

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day all.
A clarification. There is shipping and handling charged on the IPV folder.
Dispatch is via Australia Post 'Express Service‘ Shipping within Australia * *$20 P&H will be charged after confirming purchase with Paypal.
Overseas buyers, email for postage quote.

[DeeJay]

Dave, Thanks for the guide, good value especially if you are looking at purchasing a Perentie !!:angel:
David

[Barefoot Dave]

DeeJay.
Thanks for the feedback.Glad to hear I was on the right track ;)

[Sea_Dog]

Hello guys,
Will the barrels in the the below link go into the perentie door handles and just a hole need to be drilled into the door where the barrel goes into the mechanism or are the mechanisms different and i have to order the whole mechanism and bolt it in?

Also theres a link there for a PAS box will this work with the perentie if so what pump will work with the 4BD1 engine the site also stocks pumps but i believe there for the land rover original engines, are there any other parts that need to be changed e.g steering column etc etc?

MTC6504 | Barrel and Key Set - 3 barrels and 2 keys (http://www.paddockspares.com/mtc6504-barrel-and-key-set-3-barrels-and-2-keys.html)
NTC1580NOR | RHD 4 Bolt PAS Box complete with bent drop arm (outright) (http://www.paddockspares.com/ntc1580nor-rhd-4-bolt-pas-box-complete-with-bent-drop-arm-outright.html)

Cheers guys :)

[Barefoot Dave]

G’Day SeaDog and welcome to AULRO.
The site is laid out with type and model specific areas to make searching a more logical process.
While many general threads go ‘Off topic’ this isn’t that bad.
For specific issues though, it is easier for all in the long term, to post on the relevant thread or area.
This thread is about my Perentie Land Rover Buyers Guide. You or anyone else won’t look here for PAS info.
That said, there are a couple of different areas to look. ‘The Pinnacles’ have 3 sections to check.
The 90/110/ 130 Defender/ County, The Isuzu Landy section, but The Military Coil sprung area is the best.
Down the bottom of the page on the Left is a AULRO specific search function.
On the bottom right is the drop down menu for all the vehicle-specific areas.


PAS thread here: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/isuzu-landy-enthusiasts-section/155369-pas-pumps-more-pump-questions.html


The ADF used both Early and Late Disco 1/ ’86-’94 RR steering boxes. The one you found or STC2846 will do. There may be minor differences in bracketry and fittings.
Pumps can be had from $50 second hand to $1000 new depending on how much shopping around you do.
MR Auto in Brisbane and KLR Auto in Sydney have kits available.
There is also threads on door and ignition locks.

I hope this helps.

[isuzurover]

...

NTC1580NOR | RHD 4 Bolt PAS Box complete with bent drop arm (outright) (http://www.paddockspares.com/ntc1580nor-rhd-4-bolt-pas-box-complete-with-bent-drop-arm-outright.html)



That is the correct PAS Box - disco or RR boxes have a straight drop arm and changing it is a huge PITA.

You can probably get it cheaper or the same price locally - I got mine from here:

All Four x 4 Spares
All Four x 4 Spares - Home (http://www.allfourx4.com.au)
Phone: 02 4957 1117
Fax: 02 4957 3237





The ADF used both Early and Late Disco 1/ ’86-’94 RR steering boxes.

Dave - I find it very hard to believe the ADF were using Disco/RRC 4-bolt boxes when the 110/defender version with the correct drop arm was available at the same time.

[Sea_Dog]

Cheers mate

[Barefoot Dave]

iszurover, those are the part numbers for the RFSV PAS boxes. They are pictured with the bent arm as the paddock parts are.
Manual box is part number NTC8224, which seems to be deleted.
NSN for it is 2530 66 128 6456

[spudboy]

Hello guys,
Will the barrels in the the below link go into the perentie door handles and just a hole need to be drilled into the door where the barrel goes into the mechanism or are the mechanisms different and i have to order the whole mechanism and bolt it in?

Cheers guys :)

Hi Sea-Dog, if you want a bit of info on how to change the ignition lock (it puzzled me for quite a while before I worked it out) see here for some hints:

Removing 24V generator & adding a key to my Ex-Army 110 (http://daviddeere.net.au/dnnd2/en-us/Blog/Post/294/Removing-24V-generator-adding-a-key-to-my-Ex-Army-110)

Can't help you with the door locks though, as it seemed pointless to me to lock something with a canvas top!

Cheers
David

[isuzurover]

iszurover, those are the part numbers for the RFSV PAS boxes. They are pictured with the bent arm as the paddock parts are.
Manual box is part number NTC8224, which seems to be deleted.
NSN for it is 2530 66 128 6456

You have lost me - Why are you calling it a Disco/RRC box when it has a bent drop arm? Excluding the drop arm, the Disco/RRC/110 4-bolt PAS boxes are all identical.

[PhilipA]

For buyers of Perentie 6x6, I have spoken to my friend who owned McRitchie Engineering until he retired some years ago.
He told me some time ago that he produced extras for all the unique body panels for the 6x6 including windscreen frames, door openings etc.

He confirmed this week with the current owner that all ( not sure) of the unique pressings are still stocked at McRitchie.

So if you have a rollover all is not lost.

Regards Philip A

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day All.
What an interesting few months!
I have a confession:
The Buyers Guide as it stands is only 80% of what I was hoping to achieve. Due to time constraints and bossy customers ;), I released it before I was fully satisfied.
Since its release I have been meaning to finish it to the degreeI had planned, but the business has taken a few interesting turns earlier than expected.
So What! You say.
I am in the final stages of finishing the Guide I wanted to write. It is effectively the same, but with an extra 15-20 pages of detailed photos and Interviews that give you a more complete story on maintanence and parts availabilty etc. also a bit more on the modifications as more parts/ kits have become available.

I am asking for a couple of things:
A. I am looking for models to star in the finished Guide. All Variants, all locations. Full credit given to photos you have taken. I would love to catch up with new owners in the SEQ area and get your buyers' story and experiences.

B. For those who have bought either the Full Guide or the Visual Inspection Guides, I am after a bit of feedback.

If you could Cut and Paste the following and post here or PM if you prefer.
1. Did you use the information to help in buying a Perentie Land Rover.
2. Did you find the information Sufficient to buy more confidently?
3. Did you find any factual errors?
4. Did you find the flow and style of the Guide too long or Short?
5. Any sections you thought were not needed?
6. Any sections you would like to see more of or included?
7. Was the Mod/ EMEI decoder useful?
8. Why?
9. The big one: Was it worth it? Are you satisfied that you saved money or bought with greater confidence because of the Guides?

Thanks again from my Family for supporting an Aussie Micro business :D

[Explorer]

Grays had one ambulance 6x6 up for auction in Victoria and I was lucky enough to win it. When I flew down from Sydney to pick it up, on inspection there was no jack, no garden tools, no log books, no blue slip, no operation manual for the winch and surprisingly enough no compliance plate or compliance certificate to go with the vehicle. I was handed over a pink copy of the receipt and was shown where the vehicle was. Started first go, checked all the fluids, filled both tanks and drove straight back to Sydney. What a great piece of machinery to drive, very load and hot and kept searching for the 5th gear, but what a magnificent piece of machinery. Don't regret it one bit. Great buy :D

[303gunner]

Your Ambo has the same "Marvin the Martian" stencil on the rear step as my 6x6 Assault Pioneer. Shame you didn't get the Service Record Book, it would have been good to cross reference to see what units they had in common to ID who "Marvin" was.


I would also raise the Compliance issue with AFM at Minto. They will be able to put you in contact with someone at Land Rover who can issue a Letter of Compliance. Unfortunately, they cannot re-issue the plate. I had the same issue, and the letter has proved sufficient for all needs when required.

[Explorer]

You are correct 303gunner. I do have a picture of Marvin the Martian on the back drop down step. Unfortunately he will be removed soon as I need to cut a hole in the drop down step so I can fit up a pintle hook tow hitch. It is a shame no log books were supplied
I spoke to Brad from KLR Automotive who managed to track down the cert. from AFM for me as well as setting up a blue slip inspection next week. Brad was a breath of fresh air as he was helpful and very informative. He also asked AFM to look around for the log books (won't hold my breath) and if found I'll share its history on a post.

Can't wait to play with my toy:D

[sadcase]

Hi I am new to this but I am thinking of buying a ex military land rover and I am looking for advice should I go with the Isuzu motor and the 4 speed or the TD5 motor with the 5 speed? I don't suppose you can put the 5 speed behind the Isuzu?
any advice welcome

[87County]

A 5 speed gearbox can go with an Isuzu but no production 110s for the military (Perenties) were manufactured that way.

Civvy LRs made at the same time as the Perentie had a choice of Isuzus and V8s engine with LT85 (Santana) 5 speed gearboxes.

If you want an ex-mil coil spring 110 LR they will mostly be Isuzus with the 4 speed LT95 box, there were about 50 Td5s with the 5 speed R380 box and a limited number of 130s with the 4 cyl 300tdi again with R380.

An ex-mil LR110 (Perentie) will have been assembled with the 4 speed and while options do exist to change it (which will co$t) - why would you want to? The 4sp LT95 is a robust gearbox.

Some would consider the ex-mil Td5s that you mention to be a little more civilised.

Take a look at:

buymilitaryvehicles.com (http://www.buymilitaryvehicles.com)
and post #6 on p1 of this thread

[UncleHo]

I will take a guess, you have got a Perentie and you want it to go faster :) I would suggest you fit an overdrive,I know that there is a "Rocky Mountain" overdrive that is quite good, BUT, with the torque vibrations put out by the 4BD1 you may have a shortened life of the overdrive,it may be worth while to look into 4 spd +Overdrive 5th in a Izusu truck box ;)

cheers

[sadcase]

thanks just trying to decode whether I chase a 5 speed TDR5 vehicle to buy or go with the Isuzu with the 4 speed. Never thought of an overdrive option. Might look into the truck box option a bit.

[130man]

Hi Sadcase, I used to have an Isuzu powered 110 County with the LT95 four speed and it could certainly have benefitted from a five speed transmission or over drive. Fabulous in the bush but it ran out of revs on the highway. Definitely worth doing. I understand the Santana 5 speed worked well but have no personal experience to go on. Cheers, 130man.

[Bigbjorn]

I have a County Isuzu with the LT85 five speed o/d box. The o/d gear really makes it as a touring car. 2000 rpm @ 100 k's, 220 rpm @ 110 k's. I don't use o/d under 80 k's.

[Explorer]

Gee wiz, if only I knew about the pain of registering a 6x6 I would have perhaps considered a 4x4 instead. I went and got a weigh bridge ticket for my 6x6 ambulance and it came in at a Tare mass of 4.56 tonnes. That's 1.68t for the front axle and 2.88t for the back two. This means I will need a light truck engineers modification compliance plate to be fitted by an approved engineer. Just conversing with this engineer I'm already looking at $1000+ just to get that done. Then I need to do some internal mods to the rear facing seat in the cabin and get padding done to all the bed frames inside the cabin. Then I still need a blue slip. Then finally a light truck rego if everything is smooth sailing. Not sure of the total cost to get it registered, but it surely isn't cheap and jeez it's slow as everything takes time, like for the plates to get stamped and then documents to be approved and sent back. Oh well, the price you pay to own a 6x6 Perentie I guess.
Has anyone else gone through the same issues I have been facing in NSW.......?

[the mike]

yes i had same problem with my 6x6 here in queensland and the weight of it.
i pulled seat out of it and spare wheels off the roof and under to get it down to 3.6t so i was under light truck. mine was troop carrier thou and all up i got 600kgs in weight off the old girl, there was 263kgs in the 2 roll bars alone *laughs*

[Mick_Marsh]

I had no trouble with registering mine. It weighed in at 4t with a GVM of 5.6t.
It breezed through the registration process. Even got custom plates.

The hardest thing I found was getting to drive the thing as so many others wanted a go.
Chops, Gav, etc.

You don't need any modification plate. What have you modified?

[PeteFox]

. That's 1.68t for the front axle and 2.88t for the back two. This means I will need a light truck engineers modification compliance plate to be fitted by an approved engineer.
Has anyone else gone through the same issues I have been facing in NSW.......?

Someone is telling you porkies. The weights above fall well within the design criteria for the 6x6 and it is ADR complianced at these weights.

These ambulances if sold in NSW already come with a blue slip without any modifications. So what's the issue? Just go to the RTA with a blue slip in hand and it is all painless.
Pete

[4x4 MORE]

Grays had one ambulance 6x6 up for auction in Victoria and I was lucky enough to win it. When I flew down from Sydney to pick it up, on inspection there was no jack, no garden tools, no log books, no blue slip, no operation manual for the winch and surprisingly enough no compliance plate or compliance certificate to go with the vehicle. I was handed over a pink copy of the receipt and was shown where the vehicle was. Started first go, checked all the fluids, filled both tanks and drove straight back to Sydney. What a great piece of machinery to drive, very load and hot and kept searching for the 5th gear, but what a magnificent piece of machinery. Don't regret it one bit. Great buy :D

They have character;)

[Explorer]

You would be 100% right PeteFox if I had purchased the ambo from NSW. I purchased it from Victoria and when I picked it up there was no blue slip or any slip for that matter. When I drove it to NSW, I had to go through the pain of registering it without any documentation whatsoever, except for the Grays receipt. I then drove the ambo to my local diesel mechanic to get a blue slip and because it was something he had never seen in his career he asked if it could stay overnight so that he could do some research. The next day he pointed out that the actual vehicle compliance plate had been removed and that it is needed before I could get any blue slip process happening. Being very green I called up Land Rover and asked them for a replacement and the response was that they dont do replacements period. I then started net research when I stumbled over this great forum. One member spoke about the great work that KLR Automotive does to these Perentie's so I called them. Got onto Brad and Matt and they were great, and knew exactly what was required and who to speak to. Within moments they had organised for me to collect from AFM my compliance certificate. Spoke to Colin from AFM and asked if I could get a blue slip and he said it was fine, just drive it in but could only issue a blue slip for a 2 seat vehicle. Being an ambo with 2 rows of 4 seats and a supervisors seat in the ambo cabin, I really wanted the vehicle to be registered as an 11 seater. Colin explained that I needed an engineers plate and that there is no way around it. Colin put me onto an absolute gentleman by the name of Mick Dudley from ASRC Engineering (0414586027) and he came out and had a look at this beast. He was amazed, but knew exactly what was needed as he was in contact with one of the engineers that worked on building these units in Moorebank. Mick then checked that all the seat belts were up to standard, the retaining bolts of the sashes were class 8 high tensiles, a head rest was installed for the supervisors seat and some padding was wrapped around the framing of the top fold-down beds as well as some other minor repairs, mods and installs. A week later he came out with the engineers documentations and an engineer plate for a light truck to seat 11. The vehicle was described as a light truck bus due to its tare weight being 4.56t. It was explained to me that they allow approx 75kg per person + luggage of approx. 8kg making it approx 83kg per person and for 11 people it was an extra 900 odd kg's. (If this is incorrect or I have missunderstood it, can someone please shed some light on this)
At this stage of time, I am now ready to see Colin at AFM to get a blue slip for an 11 seater ambo which has been scheduled for tomorrow morning. If all goes well then its down hill from there and the path to registration should be easy from there. Hoping to get a set of personalised plates for it as well...... hopefully!!
I suspect that my problems stemmed from the fact that I purchased the vehicle from VIC, OH well........... I did want an ex-military ambo

[Mick_Marsh]

Thanks for that explanation. You're right, it did need a modification plate.
Your problems, however, stemmed from the fact you wanted it registered as a 11 seater and not a 2 seater.
All the Perentie 6x6's are classified as a light truck as their GVM is 5.6t. Some have had their Perentie 6x6's engineered to a lower GVM so they can register them as a off road passenger vehicle.

Thanks for posting up the detail, it will be most helpful to others.

[frantic]

You would be 100% right PeteFox if I had purchased the ambo from NSW. I purchased it from Victoria and when I picked it up there was no blue slip or any slip for that matter. When I drove it to NSW, I had to go through the pain of registering it without any documentation whatsoever, except for the Grays receipt. I then drove the ambo to my local diesel mechanic to get a blue slip and because it was something he had never seen in his career he asked if it could stay overnight so that he could do some research. The next day he pointed out that the actual vehicle compliance plate had been removed and that it is needed before I could get any blue slip process happening. Being very green I called up Land Rover and asked them for a replacement and the response was that they dont do replacements period. I then started net research when I stumbled over this great forum. One member spoke about the great work that KLR Automotive does to these Perentie's so I called them. Got onto Brad and Matt and they were great, and knew exactly what was required and who to speak to. Within moments they had organised for me to collect from AFM my compliance certificate. Spoke to Colin from AFM and asked if I could get a blue slip and he said it was fine, just drive it in but could only issue a blue slip for a 2 seat vehicle. Being an ambo with 2 rows of 4 seats and a supervisors seat in the ambo cabin, I really wanted the vehicle to be registered as an 11 seater. Colin explained that I needed an engineers plate and that there is no way around it. Colin put me onto an absolute gentleman by the name of Mick Dudley from ASRC Engineering (0414586027) and he came out and had a look at this beast. He was amazed, but knew exactly what was needed as he was in contact with one of the engineers that worked on building these units in Moorebank. Mick then checked that all the seat belts were up to standard, the retaining bolts of the sashes were class 8 high tensiles, a head rest was installed for the supervisors seat and some padding was wrapped around the framing of the top fold-down beds as well as some other minor repairs, mods and installs. A week later he came out with the engineers documentations and an engineer plate for a light truck to seat 11. The vehicle was described as a light truck bus due to its tare weight being 4.56t. It was explained to me that they allow approx 75kg per person + luggage of approx. 8kg making it approx 83kg per person and for 11 people it was an extra 900 odd kg's. (If this is incorrect or I have missunderstood it, can someone please shed some light on this)
At this stage of time, I am now ready to see Colin at AFM to get a blue slip for an 11 seater ambo which has been scheduled for tomorrow morning. If all goes well then its down hill from there and the path to registration should be easy from there. Hoping to get a set of personalised plates for it as well...... hopefully!!
I suspect that my problems stemmed from the fact that I purchased the vehicle from VIC, OH well........... I did want an ex-military ambo
Thanks for that, all of the Nsw ones I've seen are regoed as 2 seaters be they 4 or 6 wheels. Only the 4 door commanders got 5 seats, when even some of them had 9 . Other softies had up to 11 seats but only blue slipped for 2 .

[Explorer]

I thought it sounded too good to be true :o having the Ambo Perentie 6x6 registered today. Someone somewhere missed to point out that the exhaust pipe has to extend to the rear of the vehicle so as to not allow the fumes to enter the passenger cabin. So I had to wait half a day to get the exhaust tailpipe custom made, bracketed and extended to the rear of the vehicle at Liverpool Exhaust. The chap that did it was patient and allowed me to have my input in where the pipe passed, and I thought that was excellent customer service.
Interesting fact I learnt today while I was at AFM getting my blue slip, is that the troop carrier 6x6 that has the 8 seats in the back can actually be engineered to allow passengers to travel in the back even with the soft top removed.
:confused: Hopefully I can get my blue slip on Monday morning and then my rego finally.

[Mick_Marsh]

I thought it sounded too good to be true :o having the Ambo Perentie 6x6 registered today. Someone somewhere missed to point out that the exhaust pipe has to extend to the rear of the vehicle so as to not allow the fumes to enter the passenger cabin.
Ah, yes. That wouldn't have been a problem if you had registered it as a 2 seater.
Well done to get it engineered for the extra seats.

[Explorer]

and the saga continues...........
After modifying the exhaust in order to pass the blue slip for the vehicle, I finally managed to get the blue slip authorised and signed off. This morning I received the blue slip along with the weigh ticket, engineers certificate and receipt of purchase which looked like a bunch of papers that you would prepare and take to a court case for a hearing. All I needed now is a CTP (green slip). I got on the net and googled perentie ctp insurance and I saw an article that mentioned NRMA being helpful. Called NRMA and they were hopeless. The operator was extremely helpful until she got stuck on the shape of the vehicle even though the blue slip has classified it as a BUS, and that it was a 6x6. She contacted the underwriters and they could only give me a ctp if it was classified as a medium truck and the cost was $1,800+. The operator was very apologetic that she couldn't help even though I hold a number of policies with NRMA. I then called around and the prices kept on dropping. Allianz was $922, AAMI was $917, GIO was $914 and then I got onto Shannons. Shannons was great as they knew the vehicle and how to classify it. The only way you got a CTP from Shannons though was to combine it with a Comprehensive policy. The CTP was just over $600 and the comprehensive was about $1,400 so a total of $2k it was worth getting a full insurance and ctp. By 4pm I had all the paperwork in order to get my rego so I headed into RMS to get my rego only to find out my VIN No is non existent in the Australian VINS unit. In other words, this vehicle does not exist and RMS cannot register a vehicle that the VIN is not on the civilian motor vehicle registry. Th girl behind the desk took a photocopy of all my documents and explained that she will need to investigate further and call me when she learns something on how to download the VIN of my Perentie onto the Australian VINS Unit.
Now its a waiting game:( ............... thats if I dont get palmed off to another unit/agency and be asked to jump more hoops or pay for more documents.
WOW:mad:, talk about issues in registering this unit.
Oh well, ill see how I go tomorrow i guess!!!

[Barefoot Dave]

Blazing a trail through undergrowth is always going to be hard work!
Keep it up, mate. Might be a book in it ;)

[PhilipA]

I was talking briefly to Ken McRitchie yesterday and he told me that the army had recently ordered a large number of spare parts ( which you may recall are the specific Perentie body pressings) , which surprised him seeing they were being sold off.

Maybe they reckon it is worthwhile to fix some with body damage before selling them.
Regards Philip A

[Explorer]

I don't think its the army that ordered the spare parts (then agin I could be wrong). When I went to AFM (contracted to sell government assests) to get my blue slip, there I saw a number of dedicated mechanics, electricians and body repairers fixing away on the 4x4 perentie's in order to pass the blue slip. Once they are up to scratch, they are then either sold on car sales or Grays on line.

[Ausclassics]

What I don't understand is why these are being replaced by a vehicle which was comprehensively beaten by them in the original trials..
The Army has always used Landrovers and yet now are buying lesser Mercs... WTF?

[Mick_Marsh]

Ausclassics, welcome to the forum.
You may wish to pop on over to the introductions area of the forum to say gidday and introduce yourself.
Interesting first post. If you have a bit of a browse around the forum, you might find a few threads where this has been discussed. From what I understand, the major reason why Landrover didn't get a guernsey is because they didn't submit a vehicle for evaluation. Landrover weren't interested in the contract to supply.

[DBT]

G'day Explorer.

This is not uncommon, IIRC.

Have you tried Campbelltown RMS?

They register many, many Perenties. If they get stuck (new staff?), just ask for a supervisor.