I need a bigger engine....

[justinc]

Towing a full height 2750kg van at 95km/h into a 30 knot wind (coming in at an angle :mad::mad::mad:) equals 19 litres/100km :o:o:o No wind at these speeds is 17l/100km.


Maybe I am expecting too much with 650,000km on the odo?

Should I fit a 1HDT-FTE?

Maybe I just need to slow down when the wind is up?

Maybe I should just suck it up and enjoy the view?

Any thoughts from those with vans?

JC

[goanna_shire]

Hi JC,

I think you are doing well there. That is a lot of weight plus vehicle weight AND huge wind resistance. Have you had a go at a nose cone setup on the van? I think a bigger engine like a 6.6 duramax + allison would give you better fuel consumption and maybe a little faster but you will have to find a larger vehicle to fit one in :(.

You would know if your engine is suffering at all by doing the basic compression tests and stuff to tell how tired she is. 17l/100 is a good figure for the rig you are carrying. If you are constantly doing this kind of thing travelling with this type of setup my 2 cents is to convert to a Coaster bus motorhome with a yankee pickup truck engine g/box of your choice including the 4x4. Or get a truck with a larger engine for carrying around the 5-6 tonne weight.

I don't mean any harm by anything here just have pondered the same riddle myself. How do I carry weight and get reasonable fuel consumption? If the Isuzu is literally out of its ball park as far as what it was made for than its time to get aerodynamic or leave some gear at home :p:(

My 2 cents mate,

Brian.

[c.h.i.e.f]

Best I can get outta a 1hd-fte ute is 11.9L/100 that's no load and you know how they go performance wise....I'm not 100% sure as to my Isuzu all I know is with stupid settings 90L is gone before the odometer hits 400km's but mines used for different things to yours...you did have a considerable amount of weight though :twisted:

[c.h.i.e.f]

1hz+T with fuel pump mods and 15psi loaded up was 20L/100 couldn't get over 90km/h for comparison

[Vern]

simple, get rid of the van!

[goingbush]

Heres some comparisons

I usually sit on 90-95

My Old Jayco Penguin OB Van (1.6T van packs flat) towed with 80series 1HDT averaged 18l/100km
Same Van with 105 1HZ 15l/100km (but back to 4th or 3rd up hills)
brothers GU Patrol (petrol /gas) same Van 32l/100km

My Td5 110 with Trakmaster PopTop (1.8T) 13.5 l/100km , (performance wise about the same as the 1HDT and that was towing smaller van)

a bloke in the caravan park here with a Ford Territory 2.7 & Similar sized Van to me 18l/100km and 22l/100km into a headwind

I dont think a windbreaker will help that much

once you get onto the dirt the Isuzu should come into its own, but dont wait too long the roads up here are getting sealed faster than you can say Jack Robinson

Sealed Roads suck, you either have trucks pushing you along or Grey Nomads slowing you down, on the dirt you can go at your own pace and can slow down / stop any time you want.

[Ancient Mariner]

I should be able to tell you how the 4.7 goes in 3 or 4 years:D

[robbotd5]

JC.
Forgive me as I am fairly ignorant concerning the Isuzu powered Landy's. But from the figures you have given, it would seem you are doing ok. Any sort of head wind slows me down significantly as I always drive in 4th. Towing on windy days is never fun. Stability is uncertain, EGT's are up and as a consequence so is fuel consumption. On the two BIG trips we have with our van in tow (23ft Retreat Daydream 2581 kg ATM) our combined fuel consumption was 13.5l/100km and 12.7l/100km respectively. Slowing down in these conditions means a lot more of a relaxing drive for both car and driver. What is a 1HDT-FTE? What sort of power/torque does it produce?
Regards
Robbo

[justinc]

yes I am now thinking it isn't really all that bad when comparing to other vehicles etc :o

I guess after a rebuild and restored compression it may pick up a little, but really the performance is quite good all things considered.

Thanks for your comments all:) (Except Vern of course....:p)

JC

[clubagreenie]

Want me to build you a mild 3UZ?

A reliable 550HP enough?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Just suck it up and ENJOY the view,,
wasnt that the idea???:p
If all you ever put in it is fuel, you'll be miles in front;)

[goingbush]

What is a 1HDT-FTE? What sort of power/torque does it produce?
Regards
Robbo

1HDT FTE is the ultimate development of the 1HZ best of the Landcruiser Engines before the V8 rubbish , 6cyl 4.2L Turbo Electronic Fuel control.
Only Yanmar do them better, they make great boat motors (seriously)

I had a 1HDT cam seize / throw a belt at 560.000klm, motor had never been apart , not a bad innings.

[TasD90]

Hi Justin, you can always borrow my 90 for the heavy stuff if you like!!!
Going beautifully after its regular service with you last week thank you.
Cheers, Peter.

[justinc]

Just suck it up and ENJOY the view,,
wasnt that the idea???:p
If all you ever put in it is fuel, you'll be miles in front;)

Hi Pedro,
Yes mate really enjoyiing the view, and the quiet, but NOT the wind and getting blown off the road by trucks....:(. Even had a Duratorq Transit blow past me today towing a little poptop...:o

The holiday will be over next week so will be at one with my Isuzu etc until then and enjoy it:) Then back to the real world:D:o:(

JC

[robbotd5]

1HDT FTE is the ultimate development of the 1HZ best of the Landcruiser Engines before the V8 rubbish , 6cyl 4.2L Turbo Electronic Fuel control.
Only Yanmar do them better, they make great boat motors (seriously)

I had a 1HDT cam seize / throw a belt at 560.000klm, motor had never been apart , not a bad innings.

Thanks Don just googled it.
Regards
Robbo

[robbotd5]

Hi Pedro,
Yes mate really enjoyiing the view, and the quiet, but NOT the wind and getting blown off the road by trucks....:(. Even had a Duratorq Transit blow past me today towing a little poptop...:o

The holiday will be over next week so will be at one with my Isuzu etc until then and enjoy it:) Then back to the real world:D:o:(

JC

Sorry mate but this is a consequence of towing a heavy van. Cant compete with 2000 odd Nm of torque and multiples of gears. Just watch your mirrors and keep left. I've blown off many different Jap tugs and the look of amazement was priceless. Probably because they were retired and in no rush but it still topped up my ego!!!:):o:eek:
Regards
Robbo

[Ancient Mariner]

What s the torque on the 3uz at 1400 RPm
Thanks AM

[justinc]

Sorry mate but this is a consequence of towing a heavy van. Cant compete with 2000 odd Nm of torque and multiples of gears. Just watch your mirrors and keep left. I've blown off many different Jap tugs and the look of amazement was priceless. Probably because they were retired and in no rush but it still topped up my ego!!!:):o:eek:
Regards
Robbo

Thanks Robbo, yes I am well aware of the keep left and watch mirrors;:eek: today was the worst though with the strength of the wind the direction that it was. Passing trucks would push me over then suck me back in again!

I would be unable to pass any other vans etc I reckon unless they are very slow, I am happy up to 105 without a headwind, then the temp gauge starts to creep up a little. I haven't an EGT gauge fitted back in there as yet but have conservative fuel settings. This takes me back to towing over in the west when I was younger, quite enjoy it really:)

23 foot! That is quite light though? ATM 2580kg is very good for a big van.

JC

[Dougal]

Some food for thought.

The 4BD1T and 1HD-FTE have basically the same peak efficiency. ~210g/kwh at rated torque.
The displacement is within 10%.
So given the same fuel and air, the 1HD-FTE is going to deliver the same results. The increase in displacement and 4 valve per cylinder means it can deliver a fraction more airflow for the same boost.

So the only way a 1HD-FTE is going to deliver any more power is by spinning faster, which is where the efficiency drops and fuel burn starts to really suck.

At lower loads the 1HD-FTE with more internal friction (two extra cylinders) suffers an efficiency penalty and burns more fuel. My fathers 1HD-FTE cruiser has just done 200,000km from new and has never broken 10km/litre. Even when driven like the proverbial grandfather (the steering is too vague to drive it fast anyway).

So.
You want more go. You need more boost and more fuel to go with it. It's that simple. Changing engines ain't going to help much.
You'll also be looking at something better than the LT95.

[justinc]

What s the torque on the 3uz at 1400 RPm
Thanks AM

Not enough:), I have one in a LS430, great engine but not for a towing job, even with the VVTi system which works really well.

JC

[justinc]

Some food for thought.

The 4BD1T and 1HD-FTE have basically the same peak efficiency. ~210g/kwh at rated torque.
The displacement is within 10%.
So given the same fuel and air, the 1HD-FTE is going to deliver the same results. The increase in displacement and 4 valve per cylinder means it can deliver a fraction more airflow for the same boost.

So the only way a 1HD-FTE is going to deliver any more power is by spinning faster, which is where the efficiency drops and fuel burn starts to really suck.

At lower loads the 1HD-FTE with more internal friction (two extra cylinders) suffers an efficiency penalty and burns more fuel. My fathers 1HD-FTE cruiser has just done 200,000km from new and has never broken 10km/litre. Even when driven like the proverbial grandfather (the steering is too vague to drive it fast anyway).

So.
You want more go. You need more boost and more fuel to go with it. It's that simple. Changing engines ain't going to help much.
You'll also be looking at something better than the LT95.

Thanks Dougal,

Yes I figured that a bit of an overhaul and slight power up should work wonders. The LT95 is I feel quite capable, I have TR bearings in the transfer, and good gear ratios as far as I can tell with this load, even on hill starts. It'll hold top gear too up hills towwing even down to 75km/h. Only had to use low range to park/ maneuvre.

The engine as I mentioned has some big miles, and injectors and pump untouched. TB25 turbo and a BIG FMIC. I guess that wouldmn't help the cooling for the rad, either.

There will have to be a bit of an engine and fuel system upgrade/ overhaul sometime this year or next I reckon:)

JC

[goanna_shire]

Hi JC,
I too had done 285,000 kms and was when I had starting problems (turned out to be the starter who would of thought:p) and I went and got the injectors tested as they had never been touched. 3 out of four diddn't even move the needle on the tester and produced just a drip and the 4th one only just had a tiny bit of crack pressure. $400 clams later I had some overhauled injectors and no more drippy fuel going in the pots. Its cheap maintenance realy. The injector dude wouldnt shut up about fuel filters filters filters! So change your fuel filter with every oil change. Theyre cheap.

Loving the discussion.
Brian.
Thanks Dougal,

Yes I figured that a bit of an overhaul and slight power up should work wonders. The LT95 is I feel quite capable, I have TR bearings in the transfer, and good gear ratios as far as I can tell with this load, even on hill starts. It'll hold top gear too up hills towwing even down to 75km/h. Only had to use low range to park/ maneuvre.

The engine as I mentioned has some big miles, and injectors and pump untouched. TB25 turbo and a BIG FMIC. I guess that wouldmn't help the cooling for the rad, either.

There will have to be a bit of an engine and fuel system upgrade/ overhaul sometime this year or next I reckon:)

JC

[clubagreenie]

What s the torque on the 3uz at 1400 RPm
Thanks AM

You need another zero on the RPM's to get it really going.

[justinc]

Hi JC,
I too had done 285,000 kms and was when I had starting problems (turned out to be the starter who would of thought:p) and I went and got the injectors tested as they had never been touched. 3 out of four diddn't even move the needle on the tester and produced just a drip and the 4th one only just had a tiny bit of crack pressure. $400 clams later I had some overhauled injectors and no more drippy fuel going in the pots. Its cheap maintenance realy. The injector dude wouldnt shut up about fuel filters filters filters! So change your fuel filter with every oil change. Theyre cheap.

Loving the discussion.
Brian.

Agree brian, my engine has a known history from new, i am the second owner of it. filters are done at every engine oil change like the first owner did (my uncle) and i am sure this is why this engine is still as strong as an ox:)
its bizarre that when he bought it new in 1988, i had no inkling that i would end up with the engine out of his county after it had travellec 450,000 faultless (except for 3 lt85 overhauls:() km's:)

jc

[rick130]

You need another zero on the RPM's to get it really going.


:eek:



:lol2:

[butundede]

Maybe a smaller motor, 2.7 TD V6 out of a d3 with the slick auto.

[justinc]

Maybe a smaller motor, 2.7 TD V6 out of a d3 with the slick auto.

....the problem there is that they usually come attached to one of those disco 3 things....:p:wasntme:


jc

[c.h.i.e.f]

Some food for thought.

The 4BD1T and 1HD-FTE have basically the same peak efficiency. ~210g/kwh at rated torque.
The displacement is within 10%.
So given the same fuel and air, the 1HD-FTE is going to deliver the same results. The increase in displacement and 4 valve per cylinder means it can deliver a fraction more airflow for the same boost.

So the only way a 1HD-FTE is going to deliver any more power is by spinning faster, which is where the efficiency drops and fuel burn starts to really suck.

At lower loads the 1HD-FTE with more internal friction (two extra cylinders) suffers an efficiency penalty and burns more fuel. My fathers 1HD-FTE cruiser has just done 200,000km from new and has never broken 10km/litre. Even when driven like the proverbial grandfather (the steering is too vague to drive it fast anyway).

So.
You want more go. You need more boost and more fuel to go with it. It's that simple. Changing engines ain't going to help much.
You'll also be looking at something better than the LT95.

Hmmm funny you should mention steering of the cruiser...I find every cruiser I drive (mostly utes) have terrible steering they don't feel direct and responsive like the rovers...they seem to have a lot of free play before the car actually moves and gets worse the faster you go.

You do like the sound of your old boys Tojo though don't you Dougal???? :D

[Sitec]

6Bdt... Fit your box, sound nice, have smoother torque delivery so the box might survive, and have plenty of go... or rebuild your engine with larger turbo, dustbin of an intercooler and lighter flywheel so it'll rev and give it some legs at the top end like the newer diesels... Just my thoughts... :)

[lokka]

6BD1T will give it more go and it will drink more

The 1HD-FT in my old mans 80 pulling either the small 18ft 1500KG van or the 24ft 2500KG tajhmahal on tyres will happly put the diesel out the back at 17Lper100K tho a head wind will see it go up near 20Lper100K

My non turbo county pulled my rangie 1900KG+900odKG float along the flat would happly do 120kph tho back to 2nd on the real steep hills near sussex inlet and did roughly 13Lper100K

My TDI disco towing my camper trailer fully loaded plus loaded roof rack which was mainly wind resistance and unsure on weight of trailer could not hold speed in 5th and was happy to sit on 100K in 4th running 265x75x16 on standard gearing returned 13.8Lper100K

Tart up the 4BD1 maby fit a better rad so it dont get hot or try and scoop more air through the current set up and take in the sights cruising in a county wins hands down as long as the sound of the isuzu dosent bother you :cool:

[Vern]

Just buy a land cruiser, it will complete your grey nomad look you are going for with that massive caravan thingy:p

[Ancient Mariner]

Maybe a bigger motor 8.2 four stroke Detroit 230 HP @2800 510 ftp@1700 nice clean motor no injector pipes no electronics:) Does`nt know what a hill or headwind is. With the added bonus of a 4" exhaust from the back of the V thru between the seats you wont need a heater and bout 18 MPG:o

[Dougal]

6Bdt... Fit your box, sound nice, have smoother torque delivery so the box might survive, and have plenty of go... or rebuild your engine with larger turbo, dustbin of an intercooler and lighter flywheel so it'll rev and give it some legs at the top end like the newer diesels... Just my thoughts... :)

Almost but not quite.
Compound turbo and heavier flywheel.

Light flywheels are complete **** on a diesel. When you double the torque, you need to double the flywheel to keep torsional vibrations the same.

[justinc]

6BD1T will give it more go and it will drink more

The 1HD-FT in my old mans 80 pulling either the small 18ft 1500KG van or the 24ft 2500KG tajhmahal on tyres will happly put the diesel out the back at 17Lper100K tho a head wind will see it go up near 20Lper100K

My non turbo county pulled my rangie 1900KG+900odKG float along the flat would happly do 120kph tho back to 2nd on the real steep hills near sussex inlet and did roughly 13Lper100K

My TDI disco towing my camper trailer fully loaded plus loaded roof rack which was mainly wind resistance and unsure on weight of trailer could not hold speed in 5th and was happy to sit on 100K in 4th running 265x75x16 on standard gearing returned 13.8Lper100K

Tart up the 4BD1 maby fit a better rad so it dont get hot or try and scoop more air through the current set up and take in the sights cruising in a county wins hands down as long as the sound of the isuzu dosent bother you :cool:

That hits the nail on the head Chris,

JC

[justinc]

Just buy a land cruiser, it will complete your grey nomad look you are going for with that massive caravan thingy:p

...Not helping Damien....:p


and I am not grey yet, I will however one day be completing the whole grey bit but not for quite some time thanks!!!!!

JC

[steveG]

Interesting discussion. We're considering a fully height van for an extended trip in a few years time, and intending on it being towed with a 4bd1T...

JC - IIRC you also have A/C fitted? If so I wonder how much effect that's having on the cooling side of things? I'm guessing at this time of year you probably weren't running it but would it affect things even just from an airflow perspective?

Will be really interesting to hear back about what change a rebuild and tickle up make if you do them.

Steve

[justinc]

Hi Steve, yes A/C condenser is in, but not utilised at the time. The temp isn't really an issue it just creeps up to around 90 from the usual 82, but this is cool weather so i am anticipating issues in higher ambients.

I am confident that with some restored compression, a set of overhauled injectors etc will see a marked improvement, although it seems reading these posts that maybe it isn't all that bad anyway.

You'll have to wait a while for more reports Steve,:(, won't be in holiday mode again for quite a time. Still can test the effects towing car trailers about for work :)

JC

[clubagreenie]

If he buys a Cruiser and a Nomad sized van he'll be able to walk from one end of the island to the other without going outside.

[Bigbjorn]

Aerodynamic aids have almost no effect under about 60 mph. Frontal area is the factor at low speeds. I still have the text books "Principles of Vehicle Selection" and "Motor Truck Engineering Handbook". Use the given formulae to calculate horsepower requirement according to frontal area, mass, rolling resistance, grade, etc.

[Dougal]

Aerodynamic aids have almost no effect under about 60 mph.

Ever ridden a bike Brian?;)
At 20km/h wind resistance can be a huge concern. It all depends how much power it takes and how much power you have.

But regardless of power. There are fuel economy savings to be had at all speeds with aerodynamic improvements.


Frontal area is the factor at low speeds. I still have the text books "Principles of Vehicle Selection" and "Motor Truck Engineering Handbook". Use the given formulae to calculate horsepower requirement according to frontal area, mass, rolling resistance, grade, etc.

Force = Cd*A*1/2*airdensity*velocity^2

Cd for a landrover is about 0.6 (pretty lumpy, many cars are below 0.3).
A is your frontal area in square metres.
Air density is ~1.2 kg/m^3
Velocity is in metres/second. 100km/h = 27.7777778 m/s.

[Bigbjorn]

Other than fixing my kids' bikes I have had bugger all to do with push bikes since I was a teenager. I have spec'd up plenty of motor trucks though. Total Horsepower Requirement is the sum of Rolling Resistance Horsepower, Grade Resistance Horsepower, Air Resistance Horsepower. I calculated that at 10,000 lbs GCM, first class concrete highway, 64 sq. ft. frontal area (8' x 8' van), 1% Grade, to be 111 horsepower plus accessory losses (fan, pumps, alternator, compressors).

Having established your horsepower requirement, the next step is to create a gear split chart and compare it to the manufacturers literature to see if the engine is producing sufficient power at the desired road speed. You may need to change your final drive ratio or gearbox to achieve this.

The heavy transport industry generally accepts that aerodynamic aids have little effect below highway speeds.

Horsepower requires fuel. If you are not fed then you won't work well either.

[weeds]

sounds like you need a bigger fuel tank:cool::cool:

[uninformed]

sounds like something is wrong with your Isuzu JC. Plenty of Tdi owners on here are towing 2.5t with ease @ 110km/h and no where near the fuel consumption of yours ;)

[Dougal]

The heavy transport industry generally accepts that aerodynamic aids have little effect below highway speeds.

Highway speeds for trucks are 90km/h in NZ and 80km/h throughout Europe. Even at those speeds truck makers and freight companies have invested heavily in aerodynamic devices to reduce drag and fuel consumption.

And they continue to spend and research.

Truck at 80km/h
4mx2.5m frontal area.
Cd of 0.6
velocity of 22.2m/s

Drag Force = 0.6x10x0.5x1.2x22.2^2
Drag Force = 1778N.
Power = force x velocity.
Power = 1778 x 22.2
Power = 39.5kw

Diesel burnt to provide 39.5kw in a 220 g/kwh diesel engine.
10 litres/hour or 12.5 litres/100km.

If you can drop the drag coefficient from 0.6 to 0.48 (20% saving) then you'll save 2.5 litres/100km.
Over a 1,000,000km truck life that's 25,000 litres of diesel.

At 90km/h it's 2250N, 56.25kw and 14.6 litres/hour, 16.2 l/100km.
At 100km/h it's 2777N, 77kw and 20 litres/hour, 20 l/100km.

[Sitec]

Almost but not quite.
Compound turbo and heavier flywheel.

Light flywheels are complete **** on a diesel. When you double the torque, you need to double the flywheel to keep torsional vibrations the same.

Mmmmm, I'll agree to disagree there.. Had friend with a 4 pot Perkins in a RRC in the UK.. Was forever wrecking the box and running out of go at 2200 rpm.. We ripped it out, halved the flywheel weight, added a turbo, intercooler and pump of a later 4236 and the thing flew! Transformed the motor, made the thing drivable and the box survived.... Half the torque, twice the power and nearly twice the speed. Yeah, granted trucks and tractors need torque, but Land Rovers with the marzipan shafts and older gearboxes don't like it. The 5.9 Nissan in my 101 was the same... We shaved a massive amount of the flywheel, drilled and bolted the original pressure plate onto the thinner flywheel and stood back!! Bugger all torque, but get to 2000 rpm and the thing came to life and then pulled all the way to around 3500 rpm. Never broke a shaft, or the gearbox and I drove it like I'd stolen it... everywhere! (The overdrive's were a different story:twisted:)!!!

[Dougal]

Mmmmm, I'll agree to disagree there.. Had friend with a 4 pot Perkins in a RRC in the UK.. Was forever wrecking the box and running out of go at 2200 rpm.. We ripped it out, halved the flywheel weight, added a turbo, intercooler and pump of a later 4236 and the thing flew!

Of course it was better. Turbo, intercooler, more fuel. All good things. But you'd have a much better result with a heavier flywheel than lighter.

A lighter flywheel puts more torque pulse through to the gearbox. A heavier flywheel protects the gearbox.

[isuzurover]

JC, my worst consumption was worse than yours... I my case it was between canberra and ADL towing a 5m boat at ~120km/h into a HUGE headwind.
I normally get ~11-13 l/100 however in that case I think it was closer to 24!!! :o



...Even at those speeds truck makers and freight companies have invested heavily in aerodynamic devices to reduce drag and fuel consumption.

And they continue to spend and research.

...

However, that said, a lot of the "devices" freight companies spend money on are snake oil...

[Dougal]

However, that said, a lot of the "devices" freight companies spend money on are snake oil...

No argument there. A brewing company has what looks like F1 spoilers on top of their curtain siders.:(

Must have been a good product testing meeting when they came up with that one. They were claiming 10% fuel reduction. I call bollocks.

[robbotd5]

Just buy a land cruiser, it will complete your grey nomad look you are going for with that massive caravan thingy:p

Jealousy is a curse. Caravanning is a wonderful way of life. If I hold you up on your breakneck trip towards oblivion? Tough. I'll get out of your way as soon as I can. The question was asked towards caravaners on this forum and I don't think you qualify. Sorry but I'm a bit fed up of the caravan bashers. I'm 39, two young kids who love getting away with the van and I hope we will do this for many years to come. :):):cool:
Regards
Robbo

[robbotd5]

sounds like something is wrong with your Isuzu JC. Plenty of Tdi owners on here are towing 2.5t with ease @ 110km/h and no where near the fuel consumption of yours ;)

Are you talking about the 300tdi's??:eek: If so, I'm trading the TD5 tomorrow!!.:wasntme:
Regards
Robbo

[goingbush]

Jealousy is a curse. Caravanning is a wonderful way of life. If I hold you up on your breakneck trip towards oblivion? Tough. I'll get out of your way as soon as I can. The question was asked towards caravaners on this forum and I don't think you qualify. Sorry but I'm a bit fed up of the caravan bashers. I'm 39, two young kids who love getting away with the van and I hope we will do this for many years to come. :):):cool:
Regards
Robbo

Robbo ( Sorry Justin, a bit off topic)

because of the sad gearbox we are leaving the Caravan in Longreach, & roughing it back south, bought a new tent (low end OzTrail Tourer9) and two camp mats (high end Exped Down mats) So I'll get to see the trail from the perspective of a "Caravan Basher", should be able to slip into character easy enough, no one even notices my Long Arm 130 mirrors :) , should be interesting , hope it doesn't rain :o

[Ancient Mariner]

Bloody Volvo driver as well:p

[Vern]

Jealousy is a curse. Caravanning is a wonderful way of life. If I hold you up on your breakneck trip towards oblivion? Tough. I'll get out of your way as soon as I can. The question was asked towards caravaners on this forum and I don't think you qualify. Sorry but I'm a bit fed up of the caravan bashers. I'm 39, two young kids who love getting away with the van and I hope we will do this for many years to come. :):):cool:
Regards
Robbo

I'm fed up with people that have no sense of humor! Jc knows I'm having a joke with him I'm fairly sure? I am also 39 with two kids, I'm not a fan of caravans (even though my folks used to build them for a living), I'm a camper trailer/tent or swag guy. Jealous that he is on holidays, that is all.:)
Oh and this was asked in the Isuzu section, not the caravan section, so take your td5 and get out of here, this is for Isuzu owners only:p

[robbotd5]

JC, I'm all calm now!!!! Goingbush, all the best Don, I love the odd outing in the old tent and yes I hope the weather remains fine. Nothing beats my van though.
Regards
Robbo

[Vern]

Robbo, search karakamper on here or Google, that was my folks company, have since sold and retired. Are now travelling north in karakamper #1:)

[robbotd5]

Bloody Volvo driver as well:p

Yep, Bloody Volvo driver and damn proud of it!!!:):D

Vern. I have a good sense of humor!:D and I love the outdoor lifestyle. Its funny what it takes to get to know some one of similar interests. Ok, i'll take my TD5 and leave now.:cool:
Regards
Robbo

[robbotd5]

Robbo, search karakamper on here or Google, that was my folks company, have since sold and retired. Are now travelling north in karakamper #1:)

I'll have a look.
Regards
Robbo

[rick130]

Are you talking about the 300tdi's??:eek: If so, I'm trading the TD5 tomorrow!!.:wasntme:
Regards
Robbo

It's called sarcasm :D

Serg tows a near 2 tonne trailer daily with his HS2.8 powered 110 and marvels at how all the Tdi blokes reckon they can't feel their vans behind their Disco/90/110's ;)

[robbotd5]

It's called sarcasm :D

Serg tows a near 2 tonne trailer daily with his HS2.8 powered 110 and marvels at how all the Tdi blokes reckon they can't feel their vans behind their Disco/90/110's ;)

Eggszakery!!!
Regards
Robbo

[uninformed]

Are you talking about the 300tdi's??:eek: If so, I'm trading the TD5 tomorrow!!.:wasntme:
Regards
Robbo

oh yes the 300tdi is an amazing beast, but going by internet facts, your td5 should be good for say 130,135km/h with 2.5 and about 12/100.....:D

I had a stock 300tdi and towed over 2t with it ALOT
I had a tweaked 300tdi and towed over 2t with it ALOT
I have a stock 2.8tgv and tow 1.8t + with it ALOT......

see the time line, after I blew up the 300tdi, I took out as much weight as I could.

As Dougal said, aeros play a huge roll. Even though my 110 tray back is one of the lightest getting around, I have a long draw and a full size 8x5 covered in tradies trailer, dual axle. So there is a large gap between cab back and front of trailer box, this does not help. Either way, I can only manage 110-115 MAX on FLAT ground, any incline asks for a drop back in gear.....

Now I know alot of guys here have done some long trips with vans etc, but Im over 250k towing alone.

[Shingleback]

Another comparison;
My last vehicle a GU patrol with the TD42 with aftermarket turbo felt gutless compared to my isuzu 130. The difference in low down torque was massive, like comparing a small 4 cyl petrol to a big v8. The patrol did get going ok with higher rpm but was left for dead comparing speed up a known hill. Fuel the GU used about 16l/100, isuzu about 11l/100.
Cheers,
Andrew.

[Judo]

Clearly JC is spoilt. He has the best Landy ever made and now he wants more?! *shakes head* :p My only suggestion is, don't get rid of it!!!! You know you'd regret it! ;)