View Full Version : My new 101 The Red Camper but not happy
dseddn
19th July 2013, 04:49 PM
Hi all, sorry in advance for the log winded post
Pick up this 101 about six weeks ago some of you will know it as the red camper. Mazda 3.5lt turbo diesel, Lt95 gearbox, rear McNamara diff lock, PTO winch, 200lts fuel,
One of the reasons I chose this 101 was that a lot of work had been carried out on the mechanicals including a rebuild of the gearbox transfer case 23000 kms ago.
After picking it up in Sydney drove it back to Melbourne with the Help of AJ got it roadworthy and registered while it was at AJ’s we replaced all the oils as and found it had diff oil in the gear box and transfer case. Then drove to Port Hughes SA were I am living at the moment.
We then went on a trip up to Alice via the Oodnadatta Track and Mt Dare, but due to a very leaky transfer case I decided to not proceed past Oodnadatta and came back via the Painted Desert and Coober Pedy.
The 101 has performed faultless and I am very happy with it except for the leaky transfer!
A couple of days ago I decided to have a look at the leaky transfer case, and found it was leaking out of the seal on the rear extension housing and the o ring on the intermediate shaft.
So after cleaning it all down I proceed to strip it down to do the seals. After dropping the oil which was as black as the ace of spades with a few shiny bits in it, I removed the rear housing to find the centre diff bearing is loose and upon having a look at realize it is very badly worn it should not be so I think to myself this is only 23000 since the rebuild. I was only going to slide the intermediate shaft out far enough to replace the o ring but not now I decided to have a good look inside.
I removed the PTO cover of the bottom; the sump in the PTO was full of brass and shiny bits. This is not looking good. Removed the intermediate shaft and found that it was also worn, the 4 oil drains were blocked with grit. The gears are also scored on the inside. On removal of the diff find the other bearing is also lose, strip the diff down and surprise surprise it is also stuffed!
On inspection everything in the transfer case is totalled.
I assume the black oil was caused by the engine oil we stuck in cleaning all the black of the thrust washers ect.
So I am waiting on prices for the internals or maybe just put in a replacement box, anybody got one for sale?
I have the receipts of the work and servicing and it is clear they used Diff oil Repsol gear oil 80/90
Here are some pics of the 101 Camper and transfer case bits
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dseddn
19th July 2013, 04:53 PM
Centre diff
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dseddn
19th July 2013, 04:59 PM
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goingbush
19th July 2013, 05:05 PM
nice truck,
would not be surprised at all if it was 'recoed' using a britpart kit, 80w90 not the ideal TC oil but dosen't account for that mess.
I had a LT230 professionally rebuilt which involved boring out the case and steel sleeve inserted so that intermediate shaft would not need redoing. The transfer case was 'unprofessionally' only filled with ONE LITRE of oil, which I only discovered 10,000k later when it was due for an oil change. It made no noises nor overheated, no chunks or brass in oil.
Subsequently filled with 3.5l syntrax and its going strong.
alan48
19th July 2013, 05:16 PM
Hi all,
I have been made aware of this issue but must state that when I sold the car it was unknown to me as yes it was rebuilt by a professional LR centre just 23K ago and thus should have given many years of service--that is what I paid for.
I am dumfounded at the failure and agree with the new owner it should never have happened. :wasntme:
dseddn
19th July 2013, 05:21 PM
Hi sorry Alan48 I did not mean it to sound like I was blaming you that is why I had placed no names ect in the post.
Just to make this very clear to all, in no way am I implying or believe it is the fault of Alan48
Dseddn
justinc
19th July 2013, 05:23 PM
To be fair, I have seen similar destruction of these transfer cases due to heat/ high loads. The 101 is a very heavy truck, and the engine very torquey. I have regularly seen 100+ degreesC in my transfer case towing a small caravan and MY transfer case thrusts wore away worse than those after only 1 trip from Albany home to Tasmania. I had to upgrade to a taper roller case to avoid this happening. I now see less than 60 degrees oil temps.
Oil is only part of the problem IMO, High loads are the bain of these transfer cases.
Sorry to see the destruction but I would say it is mandatory for a taper roller upgrade for anyone heavy towing OR big engines in heavy vehicles. No synthetic oils or additives will stop this happening I'm afraid. It is purely that the transmission has a design loading and the combination of big loads etc will exceed this. it is a well known fact to anyone who knows these gearboxes.
JC
101RRS
19th July 2013, 05:26 PM
while it was at AJ’s we replaced all the oils as and found it had diff oil in the gear box and transfer case.
Surely if the transfer case was as stuffed as you have indicated then it would have been obvious when the oil was dropped as above. The oil would have had fine metallic particles through the oil and the fact it had issues would have been obvious.
How do you know if the oil was wrong?? It should have had standard 20w50 engine oil in it. I do not know the oil you mentioned but if it was an EP90 equivalent then definitely not suitable for the transfer case as if can damage bushes and some bearings.
Use engine oil in the engine/gearbox/tfr case and you should have minimal issues once rebuilt.
The fact that you were able to drive all the way from Sydney to Melbourne then to SA and up to Onnadatta shows that the transfer case must not have been too bad at that stage.
I am sorry to say that when you buy old second hand vehicles these little surprises do pop up.
What is the gearbox like - if the gearbox has had EP90 in it you could have the same issues as the transfer case.
I am sure the previous owner will be along before too long to talk about what was done during his ownership.
Good luck with your search for bits.
Garry
dseddn
19th July 2013, 05:45 PM
As stated in the original post it was reconditioned 23000 kms ago and the previous owner had it services by a Land Rover service centre on a regular basis.
The way I know what oil was used as the previous owner gave me all the receipts of work and services.
repsol 80/90 was used and is a EP90 equivalent.
We did find stuff at the oil change in melbourne but did not think much of it as it was a small amount. The majority of the rubbish was only found in the
PTO sump when it was removed, which is lower than the plug.
It does show how tough the LT95 box is as I had no idea there was a issue, I believed it was going fine except for a bad oil leak.
I was only fixing the oil leak and found all this damage.
Dseddn
Mick_Marsh
19th July 2013, 05:48 PM
I had a similar problem with my LT95 some years ago. It was caused by some person who had no idea about what he was doing putting gear oil in it.
I've never done that again.
When the transfer case was rebuilt, I had a tapered roller kit put through it.
Are you able you put it back on the people who rebuilt it for using the wrong oil?
justinc
19th July 2013, 05:52 PM
As I said, the LT95 has one BIG shortcoming when used in a heavy manner, transfer case thrust washers and to a lesser extent centre diff thrusts. No amount of extra oil or additives remove the fact that the point of thrust at the end of the gear against the thrust washer is extreme, for my oil to get to 100degrees then this pointy will be far, far higher. Higher than most oils can cope with. The failure you experienced is to be expected, in fact I have seen far worse where the trans won't even remain in high range under load as the thrust washer eventually falls completely out, and the endfloat is enough to force it out of high range!!! In addition to this, the gear thrust surface gets blued and cracked and is then a throw away.
Again, sorry to see this but I would not be rebuilding it without converting to taper roller bearing intermediate shaft and gears.
JC
dseddn
19th July 2013, 05:57 PM
As I said, the LT95 has one BIG shortcoming when used in a heavy manner, transfer case thrust washers and to a lesser extent centre diff thrusts. No amount of extra oil or additives remove the fact that the point of thrust at the end of the gear against the thrust washer is extreme, for my oil to get to 100degrees then this pointy will be far, far higher. Higher than most oils can cope with. The failure you experienced is to be expected, in fact I have seen far worse where the trans won't even remain in high range under load as the thrust washer eventually falls completely out, and the endfloat is enough to force it out of high range!!! In addition to this, the gear thrust surface gets blued and cracked and is then a throw away.
Again, sorry to see this but I would not be rebuilding it without converting to taper roller bearing intermediate shaft and gears.
JC
You maybe right as the thrust face on the low speed gear is cracked.
in fact all the gears are stuffed so I need the complete internals or a another box.
Dseddn
Sitec
19th July 2013, 06:09 PM
Well, there's been plenty of heat in there for sure. Prob not much help now, but I will have a box for sale in Nov... Putting a big diesel and Spicer box in mine so the box will be surplus to requirements. Good lookin truck you have there tho!! Once roadworthy I might make a trip out to yours for a look see!!! :)
dseddn
19th July 2013, 06:16 PM
Hi Sitec I do see you are not far away, what spicer box will you be using, I might have to look at a alternative to the LT95 to stick behind the mazda lump
dseddn
101 Ron
19th July 2013, 06:29 PM
Black oil is the big give away.......very high temps.
I totally agree with Justinc.
I have seen classic range rovers chew the centre diff thrusts.
A big box shaped body , turbo diesel and long drives at highway speeds will do that to a LT95 transfercase.
The gears show heat stress too.
I cannot see no reason why it cannot be rebuilt, and yes try and up grade it with taper bearings on the intermediate shaft.
Let us know how you go.
I want to do a taper roller bearing up grade on mine as high range is a little bit cranky about staying in gear, but have not tripped over a conversion kit.
The standard 101 will be much less likely to burn the oil like that as the standard motor is a lot softer on the drive line and the gearing tends to keep road speeds lower with less drag of lighter smaller body work.
It is worth noting if doing a drive along .....say the Nullabour it pays to back off on the throttle every little while and then reapply power as this lets oil in between those thrust bearings and lubricate them.
If city driving, or on the hilly country there is no need to do this as you will do it naturally because of the conditions.
It is the price we pay for using a vehicle beyond its designed military 40 mph convoy speeds which is now not suitable for the modern traffic and civie use.
Homestar
19th July 2013, 06:59 PM
So, with all this talk of overheating boxes and/or TC is this something I need to be worried about with a bog standard Rover V8 pushing one of these things along?
Now I have fitted an overdrive, I plan on doing some decent miles in it. Can you fit an oil cooler or anything worthwhile to make them live longer or is the bearing upgrade mentioned here the go? If so, what do you need to do it? Is it something ou can do at home or is it something more complicated?
As an aside, when I fitted the OD the other weekend, I found my box and TC filled with gear oil as well - must be a common mistake. Engine , box and TC all have 20W50 engine oil in them now.
At least what came out of mine was clean and unburnt.
Cheers - Gav.
Sleepy
19th July 2013, 07:01 PM
Nice Truck.👍 Sorry to hear about your dramas.
101RRS
19th July 2013, 07:03 PM
repsol 80/90 was used and is a EP90 equivalent.
Dseddn
You need to get that oil out of the gearbox or sooner or later something similar will happen to the gearbox. Are you going to rebuild the gearbox as well or just use parts from the item you have advertised for to just rebuild the transfer case.
While the unit is out look at replacing the oil pump drive in the front of the gearbox to the updated version (I think the old one is plastic and the new ones are metal).
Garry
101 Ron
19th July 2013, 07:05 PM
So, with all this talk of overheating boxes and/or TC is this something I need to be worried about with a bog standard Rover V8 pushing one of these things along?
Now I have fitted an overdrive, I plan on doing some decent miles in it. Can you fit an oil cooler or anything worthwhile to make them live longer or is the bearing upgrade mentioned here the go? If so, what do you need to do it? Is it something ou can do at home or is it something more complicated?
As an aside, when I fitted the OD the other weekend, I found my box and TC filled with gear oil as well - must be a common mistake. Engine , box and TC all have 20W50 engine oil in them now.
At least what came out of mine was clean and unburnt.
Cheers - Gav.
The short answer is no don't worry.
dseddn
19th July 2013, 07:12 PM
The oil has been replaced in the gearbox and I have drained it again and there is no evidence of a problem
I was looking to rebuild the transfer case I have in place.
but if I get hold of a good unit I will just swap it out and do a full rebuild of the current unit with a tapered roller conversion for a spare.
I am waiting on prices for parts and also in discussion with someone about a rebuilt unit with the tapered roller conversion.
Dseddn
101RRS
19th July 2013, 07:17 PM
Yes don't worry.
I suspect dseddn/Alan's issue was the oil causing the bronze bits to break down which in turn caused heating which in turn caused other things to break - fed on itself.
Use the right oil and with normal use you will not have an issue. Most 101s, Stage 1s, RRs are still running around with their original transfer cases - change the oil regularly and keep it fresh and the odds are there will be no issues.
Garry
101RRS
19th July 2013, 07:25 PM
if I get hold of a good unit I will just swap it out and do a full rebuild of the current unit with a tapered roller conversion for a spare. Dseddn
Just in case you do not know, you need to know that a complete LT95 gearbox/tfr combo out of a RR or Stage 1 will not go into a 101. The bell housing and gearbox input shaft is shorter on the 101. So if you wanted to use a complete unit out of another non 101 vehicle you would have to swap the bell housing and the gearbox input shaft.
Sorry if you already know this
Cheers
Garry
dseddn
19th July 2013, 08:18 PM
Thanks Garry
I did know that but wasn't thinking about the swap, I would have to partly strip mine to do it, might as well just use the parts out of the box I get and do a full rebuild of mine with a tapered roller kit.
justinc
19th July 2013, 08:23 PM
the complete transfer case can be rebuilt in situ, these are a very user serviceable and simple trans. I will be sticking with mine! After the work it has done I am very pleased with it:)
jc
wrinklearthur
19th July 2013, 10:11 PM
Well, there's been plenty of heat in there for sure. Prob not much help now, but I will have a box for sale in Nov... Putting a big diesel and Spicer box in mine so the box will be surplus to requirements. Good lookin truck you have there tho!! Once roadworthy I might make a trip out to yours for a look see!!! :)
Hi Sitec
I did send you a PM about this thread, but you were obviously aware of this already.
.
Sitec
19th July 2013, 10:15 PM
Hi dseddn. Ive got a Cummins 6bt turbo diesel 6 pot and Spicer Box coming out from the UK. Not sure of the numbers but its the heavier gearbox of the two choices offered in the older Daf 45's. The other option was the ZF S5-42. Both are a 5 speed. To be honest tho IMO, if what you have against the Mazda works and you are happy with it, why change it? I'm only going down the truck box route because I plan to push 200+ BHP and over 500nm of torque thru it.. Should be fun in a 101!! Your other option is to find a box that fits against the Mazda then make it fit an LT230.. The wife is in Moonta next weekend so I'll tell her to watch out for a red 101!!
justinc
20th July 2013, 04:48 PM
The problem won't reappear after taper rollers are fitted, leave the LT95 in there:)
JC
dseddn
11th November 2013, 02:37 PM
Vehicle For Sale
Land Rover 101 VIN
96200081A ARN
- Price and Price Conditions
$39000.00 Condition
Very Good currently registered
Yes Extra info
Land Rover 101 Camper
With great regret I have for sale my Red 101 Camper Pop Top.
This is a great go anywhere camper.
Mazda 3.5 turbo Diesel
Exhaust brake.
Reconditioned Gearbox and Transfer case 1000km ago with tapper roller bearing conversion in transfer case.
Centre mount PTO Winch, pu;;s from front or back.
New clutch, pressure plate, thrust bearing and machined flywheel at the same time.
Jack McNamara rear air diff lock, one of several made for the 101.
Also new Modified ARB locker for front diff not fitted.
5cfm air compressor with air tank.
80lts water tank.
Second fuel tank all up 220 litres of fuel, uses 14 to 15lts per 100km.
Stove with oven
Waeco 110 litre fridge.
Plenty of cupboard space
Couch folds out to a double bed.
6 x Craddock 8" wide rims with 315/16 Maxis Bighorn tyres on 5 about 75%.
2 x 50 watt solar panels.
TV, UHF CB Radio, reverse camera.
Current Gas and electrical certificates.
Call or PM for more info.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/1011.jpg (http://s579.photobucket.com/user/dseddn/media/Land%20Rover%20101%20Camper/july2013trip0002.jpg.html)
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Copper Coast SA Contact Name or Number
David 0407334040
rangieman
11th November 2013, 06:11 PM
Wow love it , Hope you get your money for it :cool:
Mick_Marsh
11th November 2013, 06:44 PM
Sad to hear. It is certainly an impressive 101.
I would love to but don't have the space.
LoveB
13th November 2013, 07:46 PM
what a beauty!
I'd say yes but...
I have no space, no money and at this point still have a wife! lol
Can you tell me more about the exhaust brake?
101RRS
13th November 2013, 09:56 PM
I have no space, no money and at this point still have a wife! lol
Rick does, I thought you were rich and really is there a choice between a good landie and a good wife :o a no brainer really ;).
Garry
Mick_Marsh
14th November 2013, 06:52 AM
Rick does, I thought you were rich and really is there a choice between a good landie and a good wife :o a no brainer really ;).
Garry
I know!
I know!
I've done these quizzes before. The answer is "One is fictional and one is real."
LoveB
14th November 2013, 11:38 AM
Rick does, I thought you were rich and really is there a choice between a good landie and a good wife :o a no brainer really ;).
Garry
Well it is a very tempting offer!!! Lol
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dseddn
14th November 2013, 04:55 PM
what a beauty!
Can you tell me more about the exhaust brake?
The exhaust brake is a valve placed in the exhaust to restrict gas flow under declaration.
Only for diesels
It is a placed in the exhaust pipe just down from the turbo, it is a flap that is controlled by engine vacuum, it closes off the exhaust under declaration, causing back pressure in the engine slowing it down. Obviously it only affects braking when in gear.
It has micro switches so it knows when you have you foot on the clutch or accelerator.
It is very effective particularly on steep descents where it keeps the speed under control without having to touch the brakes.
It greatly increases the life of the brake shoes.
It can be turned of if you don't want to use it.
David
LoveB
14th November 2013, 06:45 PM
Sorry I meant who put it on etc.
I've been toying with the idea of having one (although I dont really need it)
I just love the sound of compression brakes lol
Mick_Marsh
14th November 2013, 09:18 PM
Whoever buys your 101 may want to buy this
Land Rover World October 2013 101 Range Rover Discovery Dunsfold | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-World-October-2013-101-Range-Rover-Discovery-Dunsfold-/380754504136?pt=UK_Magazines&hash=item58a6bca9c8)
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Sitec
16th November 2013, 10:26 PM
Shame to see this vehicle go.... Was hoping I'd get to meet it one day especially as its so close! I was talking to the guy in Gawler with the 'other' 101 and he said he'd seen it in Adelaide.. As for exhaust brakes... They're brilliant. I'm fitting one on the Cummins before it goes in. Hope your sale goes ok. Cheers. Simon.
travelrover
19th November 2013, 11:29 AM
Hi David
I saw you and this impressive vehicle at Windsor in NSW a few months ago one Saturday morning. I only wish I had the money, this is something I have been looking for for many years..
The best of luck to you.
Simon Barclay
101RRS
19th November 2013, 12:08 PM
That was probably the previous owner.
Mick_Marsh
30th November 2013, 09:05 AM
Just had a mate drop in.
We've spent the last two hours discussing this unique 101 over a cup of coffee.
He's very impressed with it.
101RRS
30th November 2013, 09:59 AM
Just had a mate drop in.
We've spent the last two hours discussing this unique 101 over a cup of coffee.
He's very impressed with it.
and ...........
Mick_Marsh
30th November 2013, 10:29 AM
Had to take his missus shopping. I'm sure we will continue the discussion at a later date.
Maybe tonight over a port or three.
wrinklearthur
30th November 2013, 01:37 PM
Whoever buys your 101 may want to buy this
Land Rover World October 2013 101 Range Rover Discovery Dunsfold | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-World-October-2013-101-Range-Rover-Discovery-Dunsfold-/380754504136?pt=UK_Magazines&hash=item58a6bca9c8)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/11.jpg
I already have that copy in my Land Rover porn book collection.
.
Mick_Marsh
30th November 2013, 01:52 PM
I already have that copy in my Land Rover porn book collection.
.
Now you should complete the set. Buy the 101 in the article.
dseddn
2nd January 2014, 01:33 PM
Hi all
My Red 101 is no longer for sale, i will be keeping it.:D
Homestar
2nd January 2014, 01:38 PM
Great news.:)
So you coming to Melrose then?
dseddn
2nd January 2014, 01:44 PM
Great news.:)
So you coming to Melrose then?
Excuse my ignorance where is Melrose?
Mick_Marsh
2nd January 2014, 01:59 PM
Excuse my ignorance where is Melrose?
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/upcoming-events/174100-s-national-land-rover-show-easter-2014-a.html
3 Lions
19th January 2014, 08:11 PM
Sad to hear. It is certainly an impressive 101.
I would love to but don't have the space.
I have always liked 101's :)
I also would love to, have the space but don't have the cash :( .....
Unless you'll take an old 109 FFR, 2 small children, 4 small dogs and a wife as part exchange....;)
Homestar
19th January 2014, 08:34 PM
I have always liked 101's :)
I also would love to, have the space but don't have the cash :( .....
Unless you'll take an old 109 FFR, 2 small children, 4 small dogs and a wife as part exchange....;)
You could always do what the did in 'The meaning of life'...:angel::wasntme:
Medical Experiments. (http://youtu.be/Of9zj9MV3IQ)
That would get you part of the way there... Not sure what you could get for the dogs or missus though...:D. Keep the 109...
Mick_Marsh
19th January 2014, 08:39 PM
I have always liked 101's :)
I also would love to, have the space but don't have the cash :( .....
Unless you'll take an old 109 FFR, 2 small children, 4 small dogs and a wife as part exchange....;)
You have the space! That's a good thing to know.
Is it covered? How many will I you be able to fit in this space?
sheerluck
19th January 2014, 10:04 PM
......Unless you'll take an old 109 FFR, 2 small children, 4 small dogs and a wife as part exchange....;)
Hmmm, tempted. Send pictures of the dogs. :p
101RRS
20th January 2014, 01:40 PM
I thought this had been withdrawn from sale and the owner has decided to keep it. Was in a post somewhere else on AULRO.
Garry
Mick_Marsh
20th January 2014, 02:00 PM
I thought this had been withdrawn from sale and the owner has decided to keep it. Was in a post somewhere else on AULRO.
Garry
Eight or nine posts down from yours Garry.
101RRS
20th January 2014, 03:43 PM
Eight or nine posts down from yours Garry.
Doh - what a dummy - though I rarely admit it :)
Lotz-A-Landies
20th January 2014, 04:15 PM
I've moved the thread out of the markets, just so you'se can chat about the vehicle.
Mick_Marsh
20th January 2014, 04:25 PM
I've moved the thread out of the markets, just so you'se can chat about the vehicle.
Ta.
Sitec
20th January 2014, 04:42 PM
There's going to be plenty of 101 chat at Melrose this yr.... How many is it now!? :)
Lotz-A-Landies
20th January 2014, 04:48 PM
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... Just out of interest, where does the second mattress live when not a bed?
Sitec
20th January 2014, 04:57 PM
Just out of interest, where does the second mattress live when not a bed?
Looking at the gap between the rear cushion and the seat base, probably atop the first cushion.... Looks great in there!! :)
Homestar
20th January 2014, 05:55 PM
A quick off topic - love the new avatar Diana.:). I've got one of mine parked on my lap right now - makes it hard to type...:D
Lotz-A-Landies
20th January 2014, 06:06 PM
A quick off topic - love the new avatar Diana.:). I've got one of mine parked on my lap right now - makes it hard to type...:Dhttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/01/609.jpg
Was going to have four avatars but it wouldn't allow me to do it! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/01/610.jpg
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dseddn
20th January 2014, 09:46 PM
Just out of interest, where does the second mattress live when not a bed?
Hi all the mattress lived on the seat and is a bit of a pain. I have removed the backrest on the wall and now the mattress is the backrest when not in use. Still a bit of a pain as it goes higher than the windows.
When the bed is made up there is not much space left, can't access cupboards extra. So if staying in one spot you must unmake the bed every day.
I am looking at modifying maybe a something like a jayco expander type fold down back bed to keep the interior usable while camped. Width is an issue though.
Lotz-A-Landies
20th January 2014, 10:24 PM
Probably not an option, but Gog my SIIB fc has a double bed in the peak over the driver/passenger.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/01/587.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/01/588.jpg
Sorry its a bit hard to see and has low headroom, but out of the way.
dseddn
20th January 2014, 11:07 PM
Probably not an option, but Gog my SIIB fc has a double bed in the peak over the driver/passenger.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/01/587.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/01/588.jpg
Sorry its a bit hard to see and has low headroom, but out of the way.
Thanks this has been on our list of maybes, there already is a small bed / shelf over the forward section. Our roof is very low and has no room when down so any mattress would need to be removed before closing. Width is still an issue as it is only 5'8" wide inside. The roof could be modified for extra height and I have seen poptop canvases with a push out side section for extra width.
All in all an easier option than modifying the rear to a fold out bed.
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