Milford Cargo Barrier Measurement

[schnitzel]

Wondering if someone can help me. I'm trying to plan the layout of my cargo space (particularly around my fridge). I need to know how much depth in the cargo space (Disco 2a) I will lose by putting a Milford cargo barrier in.

For example, what is the distance from the back of the top edge of the rear seat to the back of the cargo barrier inside the cargo space.

I'm imagining (hoping) you lose about 40mm but if someone could verify this for me (and maybe even take a photo with one seat dropped down and the other still locked vertical) that would help out immensely.

Basically - I need every mm I can squeeze and am weighing up a "half cargo barrier" that goes from the top of the seat to the ceiling if the milford barrier intrudes too far back into the cargo space.

Thanks in advance. Adam

[bell1975]

Wondering if someone can help me. I'm trying to plan the layout of my cargo space (particularly around my fridge). I need to know how much depth in the cargo space (Disco 2a) I will lose by putting a Milford cargo barrier in.

For example, what is the distance from the back of the top edge of the rear seat to the back of the cargo barrier inside the cargo space.

I'm imagining (hoping) you lose about 40mm but if someone could verify this for me (and maybe even take a photo with one seat dropped down and the other still locked vertical) that would help out immensely.

Basically - I need every mm I can squeeze and am weighing up a "half cargo barrier" that goes from the top of the seat to the ceiling if the milford barrier intrudes too far back into the cargo space.

Thanks in advance. Adam

I have to head back down to my MY99 D2 - not a D2a, but I don't believe there is any difference in the context of your query - in a couple of hours so I can do the photo you seek and try and get the measurement for you.

[gazk]

You will lose 60mm with the gap and thickness of the barrier. The barrier follows the slope of the seatback then goes vertical from the top of the seat. You can gain some (not much) cargo space depth by removing the rear door storage bin(s)

[schnitzel]

Thanks for the feedback team. Would really help if you could get a picture or two. Again, youve been a great help, much appreciated. I'll put some pics up when I start building my rear cargo area fit out. Cheers Adam.

[bell1975]

Thanks for the feedback team. Would really help if you could get a picture or two. Again, youve been a great help, much appreciated. I'll put some pics up when I start building my rear cargo area fit out. Cheers Adam.

I tried to take a photo this evening for you but it was rubbish as I wasn't trying hard enough...through the window in a dark shed with the flash on having just told my wife that Yes, I would be coming up for dinner....added to that I have child seats in at the moment.

I'll have some time in the morning to get something for you.

[twodoors]

Why put in a full milford?... Just use a half height barrier...

[cjc_td5]

For my d2a, from memory my cargo barrier had about a 30mm gap between the barrier and the back of the rear seats. I made some new longer fixing straps to move the barrier forward to against the rear seats, to maximise the rear cargo area.

The bottom fixings are just flat straps, I made new longer ones to suit. For the upper mounts, I made an extension piece to move the barrier forward.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=63394&stc=1&d=1374674196

The barrier now sits hard up against the rear seats.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=63395&stc=1&d=1374674196

[cjc_td5]

Why put in a full milford?... Just use a half height barrier...

Because with a half height barrier, you are relying on the seat catches to restrain a load moving forward. It is my understanding that seat catches are not generally designed to restrain loads behind them. In my opinion, a half height barrier should only be used where the lower area is fully restrained by a (bolted down) drawer system etc, otherwise use a full height cargo barrier.

Cheers,

[bell1975]

Here are a few photos as requested.

There are two measurements shown. The one that is smaller is taken from the back side of the middle set belt 'thingo'. This, at least in my case, seemed to be the closest point where seat-backs and cargo barrier were located. The headrests are angled away from the barrier.

The third photo shows the driver side seat pulled forward a bit and the passenger side one left locked in place.

Any more queries or measurements feel free to fire away. Happy to help.

Are you planning to fit the barrier yourself?

[bell1975]

Wondering if someone can help me. I'm trying to plan the layout of my cargo space (particularly around my fridge). I need to know how much depth in the cargo space (Disco 2a) I will lose by putting a Milford cargo barrier in.

For example, what is the distance from the back of the top edge of the rear seat to the back of the cargo barrier inside the cargo space.

I'm imagining (hoping) you lose about 40mm but if someone could verify this for me (and maybe even take a photo with one seat dropped down and the other still locked vertical) that would help out immensely.

Basically - I need every mm I can squeeze and am weighing up a "half cargo barrier" that goes from the top of the seat to the ceiling if the milford barrier intrudes too far back into the cargo space.

Thanks in advance. Adam

I don't know what you're planning for your drawers, custom or off the shelf. But I remembered this ebay auction from the other week that shows one setup that looked alright to me.

Ebay take the photos down after a while so if you're quick you might be able to grab the photos off the listing for inspiration. If it's too late let me know and I can email the ones I copied to you.

[twodoors]

Because with a half height barrier, you are relying on the seat catches to restrain a load moving forward. It is my understanding that seat catches are not generally designed to restrain loads behind them. In my opinion, a half height barrier should only be used where the lower area is fully restrained by a (bolted down) drawer system etc, otherwise use a full height cargo barrier.

Cheers,

Mmm in basic non scientific terms....i'm intrigued then as to what dynamically small but incredibly heavy item that it is you are interested in preventing from accelerating over a maximum distance of about 80cm that is going to cause seat catches to fail in such a catastophic way....

Any movement against a half height barrier base would be spread across the whole width of the rear seats....

If the impact forces are that great i would suggest that what might break free from behind is the least of your worries compared to what u have just hit to cause these forces....

James

[bell1975]

Mmm in basic non scientific terms....i'm intrigued then as to what dynamically small but incredibly heavy item that it is you are interested in preventing from accelerating over a maximum distance of about 80cm that is going to cause seat catches to fail in such a catastophic way....

Any movement against a half height barrier base would be spread across the whole width of the rear seats....

If the impact forces are that great i would suggest that what might break free from behind is the least of your worries compared to what u have just hit to cause these forces....

James

Perhaps a 100 Ah deep cycle battery that isn't fixed to anything?

[cjc_td5]

Mmm in basic non scientific terms....i'm intrigued then as to what dynamically small but incredibly heavy item that it is you are interested in preventing from accelerating over a maximum distance of about 80cm that is going to cause seat catches to fail in such a catastophic way....

Any movement against a half height barrier base would be spread across the whole width of the rear seats....

If the impact forces are that great i would suggest that what might break free from behind is the least of your worries compared to what u have just hit to cause these forces....

James

My comment was more in reference to cargo barrier vs no cargo barrier. With no cargo barrier, the seats have to fully restrain any load in the rear. A large mass of cargo (i.e. several items) generates a large momentum which has to be stopped in a crash. Additionally, if the seats to do fail in any way, the only thing then restraining them are the seatbelts which unfortunately have a body squashed between them and the seats.:(:(

A half height cargo barrier will only stop items coming over the seats, not help the seats restain any cargo sitting behind the seats themselves.


Anyway, just my observations. Everyone assesses their risks differently and will make their own informed decisions. :)

Cheers,

[twodoors]

Well...if someone was so stupid to have a 100ah battery just 'floating around' their boot?...they deserve all that comes their way!!...

[twodoors]

What u need to do is put into perspective is the load u are talking about... This bulk load will not be pushing on the absolute top of the seat... Which of course is where the greatest leverage is for its folding momentum.... The bulk weight will be pushing forward on this mach speed capable D2... At part of the strongest section....the base and also against the bulk of the seat squib which is anchored...

Having had a d2 that went head to head at speed with a tree and nothing came forward / breached the 1/2 height barrier...

Again it was the front end that was terminal.....

[cjc_td5]

Wondering if someone can help me. I'm trying to plan the layout of my cargo space (particularly around my fridge). I need to know how much depth in the cargo space (Disco 2a) I will lose by putting a Milford cargo barrier in.

For example, what is the distance from the back of the top edge of the rear seat to the back of the cargo barrier inside the cargo space.

I'm imagining (hoping) you lose about 40mm but if someone could verify this for me (and maybe even take a photo with one seat dropped down and the other still locked vertical) that would help out immensely.

Basically - I need every mm I can squeeze and am weighing up a "half cargo barrier" that goes from the top of the seat to the ceiling if the milford barrier intrudes too far back into the cargo space.

Thanks in advance. Adam


Hi Adam.
Further to my previous response, at the top of the seat on the left hand side (where my fridge is located), there is about 60mm from the back of the seat to the rear face (mesh) of the cargo barrier.

What fridge are you trying to fit in the cargo area? I have a Autofridge (39l I think) that sits in a ventilation box and on a slide.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=63530&stc=1&d=1375009734

The box fits slugly behind the cargo barrier with not much room to spare, but achieving the required 3cm clearance around the fridge for ventilation. I have mine fixed to the barrier to stop the fridge over-balancing when out on the slide. The shelf on the right can be removed depending what is being carried at the time.

Cheers,