A dilemma - do I order a new 2014 RRS, or buy a 2012 Vogue?

[GregMilner]

Okay, I ask this without wishing to sound like a tosser, so go easy on me. I'm about to sell my 2010 RRS 3.0 (had an offer today, not yet accepted). I like the look of the new 2014 Sport HSE 3.0 - but man, at $140K on road, it's a helluva gouge. Brilliant car. But having taken a near $40k bath on the current RRS in three years, I'm loathe to do the same again on a new one. (Which I wouldn't be able to get for 6 months anyway)
There are quite a few 2011-2012 4.4V8 Vogues with sub-20,000km on the market for $130K-ish asking price. Given that I'm 58 and my wife and I want to keep the next car for up to 5 years or more for some long-distance travelling, maybe towing a boat or camper trailer, am I better off with the new V6 Sport 6 months from now, or the older model V8 Vogue I can pick up anytime?

[adzee]

I think I'd go the new sport or the new range. But then again, if I had the option if have a d4 and a RRS in that budget - one for fun the other for day to day. ;)

[GregMilner]

Mmmm...'cept there's no way I'm going to cough up $195K + for the new Rangie Vogue:-) The leasing company would love it I'm sure.
I'm tempted to wait till the new Sport arrives...but then again, love the 'old' 322 Vogue too. Maybe the new Sport makes even the new Vogue redundant.

[Mike_S]

Vogue. Nice though the new RRS looks / most likely is, for the ridiculous wedge of cash they are here I'd be buying the full fat Vogue. I'm sure as a travelling vehicle it'll be far more comfortable as well.

[adzee]

Maybe the new Sport makes even the new Vogue redundant.

I think it's certainly a range rover now not a fake discovery. :P

[~Rich~]

Okay, I ask this without wishing to sound like a tosser, so go easy on me. I'm about to sell my 2010 RRS 3.0 (had an offer today, not yet accepted). I like the look of the new 2014 Sport HSE 3.0 - but man, at $140K on road, it's a helluva gouge. Brilliant car. But having taken a near $40k bath on the current RRS in three years,

Don't think that the new RRS won't depreciate like your current one, it will happen just like any other vehicle on the market.
Buying a couple of years old vehicle will always have a large saving over new.

[rb30gtr]

What an awesome dilemma to have!

[Graeme]

Are there more wheel/tyre options for your anticipated usage for one of the vehicles than the other? The earlier Vogues had a more supple ride than the RRS but the difference may not exist with later/new models.

[DiscoWeb]

Greg,

Is a fully kitted D4 with the 3.0 twin turbo diesel with the new 8 spd gearbox not on the list.

The D4 would arguably be as good a long haul cruiser as the RRS, might not match the V8 Vogue but probably leave a bit more change in the pocket and you get it brand new.

Plus the D4 is a well sorted unit with most of the bugs ironed out, the new sport, like all new models will have teething problems ?

Additionally I expect that the used Vogues will reduce in pricing as buyers trade up into the new RR so maybe a short wait will be beneficial.

Ah well, an enjoyable dilemma to have, I look forward to seeing which way you jump!

George.

[gghaggis]

Greg,

I put a post on the Green Oval Facebook page regarding the 2014 RRS as a tourer - from initial impressions only. Might be worth a read if you're seriously contemplating one. Hint - DON'T get the 7 seater!

Cheers,

Gordon

[Pedro_The_Swift]

From all the drive impressions I've read it would seem the new RRS nearly makes the RR redundant.:o:o

[CSBrisie]

For me it would be wait another 6 months - pick up the RRV 4.4TDV8 with 8 speed and (if you are veryyyyy lucky - e-diff) at $100K, (I've seen them as low as $110k now albeit with 60K) extend the warranty, put in a DBS (Traxide) and 19 inch ATR tyres, you've got a 105l tank standard, add a UHF and you are away!!

[Piddler]

For me it would be wait another 6 months - pick up the RRV 4.4TDV8 with 8 speed and (if you are veryyyyy lucky - e-diff) at $100K, (I've seen them as low as $110k now albeit with 60K) extend the warranty, put in a DBS (Traxide) and 19 inch ATR tyres, you've got a 105l tank standard, add a UHF and you are away!!
Yep TD V8 4.4 pretty hard to beat.
Cheers

[GregMilner]

Well, it's a tough choice. I accepted the offer on the RRS today, and he's paid a deposit, so I've got a few months of homework to do.
Rich, fully aware of the depreciation costs of a new car...any new car...although obviously, the more expensive the car, the greater the rate of depreciation. (but hey, I'm 58...do I really need to be sweating this at my age? This is probably the last 'major' car purchase I'm going to make)
Graeme...there's a Vogue I'm looking at, a MY12, with only 11,000km on the clock...he's tricked it up with 22" Kahn wheels/tyres, but it also comes with the original 20" wheels/tyres, asking $140K - okay let's call it $120K at sale, maybe less...but a pretty good 4.4V8 all round for a few years. And as the years go by, the depreciation rate on these vehicles decreases exponentially.
Frankly I'd rather have the new Sport with the 4.4V8 than the 'old' Vogue with the same engine - but the extra cost over the new 3.0 V6 with 215kw and 600nm will be eye-watering - probably $150K at least. I don't think I can/should even contemplate it, much as I'd like to.

(Good grief - a good friend who bought a new Touareg 3.0 diesel a few months ago is encouraging me to buy the new V8 version...at $122K on road, it's very tempting. But it's just not...a Rangie.)
DiscoWeb - yes, I've thought about a new Disco....I just can't bring myself to 'upgrade' to a very heavy, purpose-built off road vehicle that, let's be honest, will only spend a tiny percentage of its time actually doing what it's designed to do. And I'll never need 7 seats. Neither the new RRS nor the 'old' Vogue present that choice.
Gordon...couldn't find that post on your Facebook page?

[TerryO]

Well if you don't want to 'upgrade' to a very heavy purpose built off road vehicle like a D4 then maybe your mate is right and a VW might be the go?

They are definitely not very capable off road in comparison, so that at least meets some of your criteria.

As for not needing seven seats, I can understand that, most people I know don't even need five. Mind you considering the D4's two rear seats fold flat I don't think they would cause any inconvenience.

By the way a Vogue weighs more then a HSE D4. As you said its a tough choice good luck deciding.

[adzee]

If argue the d4 is a beautiful vehicle day to day like the sport and rangie. Better options available for when you want to leave the blacktop.

[GregMilner]

Yeah, I just can't see myself in a VW - having said that, the new Polo GTI I just bought for my wife is a fun little car, but a Touareg...maybe not.
I like the Disco for sure. But I'm still leaning towards the new Sport because of the new technology, much lighter, better handling, better engines etc...and would love the TDV8 in it, but probably well-overpowered for what I need, and nobody knows what difference that extra weight on the front axle will do to the handling and balance compared with the V6.

[gghaggis]

Gordon...couldn't find that post on your Facebook page?
http://www.facebook.com/GreenOvalExperience

I'm considering waiting for the SDV8, suitably optioned :)

Cheers,

Gordon

[GregMilner]

Thanks Gordon, and thanks for the tip on the fold-flat seats - I had no idea that was only an 'option' - no doubt at extra costs. Don't think the sales guy at Barbagallo even knew about that.
I'd like to wait to see the V8 too....and the eye-watering money they'll want for it.

[doddsy]

Id go new RR just fir the Aluminium chassis, 1/2 tonne lighter. For starters

[GregMilner]

http://www.facebook.com/GreenOvalExperience

I'm considering waiting for the SDV8, suitably optioned :)

Cheers,

Gordon

Hey Gordon, I think I might pass on waiting for the 4.4V8 - it's no less than 283kg - four adults - heavier than the SDV6, all over the front axle.
Have you had a look at the conversation about it on the UK RRS forum?

RRSPORT.CO.UK • View topic - To V8 or not (http://www.rrsport.co.uk/forum/topic32133.html)

[DI5CO]

So what did you get in the end?? Lol

[BobD]

If you go over to the L322 forum you will see lots of posts from Greg on his new L322 that he has had for a while now.

[DI5CO]

Yeah I was searching for something and came across this post! Lol