D3 NEW Key+FOB Update - easy done!

[rb30gtr]

My new key project is almost finished, so to let others know that wants a replacement key.This is my story:

I bought a brand new key+ fob online via EBAY in the UK. $60 delivered
Getting the new key cut at a locksmith $25
LR specialist can code the key to the car via a Faultmate for $40 (Only brand new Keys can be coded to new or different vehicle)

So for $125 I will have a brand new ready to go key for my Disco 3.

LR wanted $790. That's enough saving for a snorkel and CB Radio.

LR will request you provide the VIN when buying a new key, that is only to get the blade cut to match, not for the coding. Any good locksmith can cut if you have a matching key.

Also admins - I can write it better and put links to create a sticky if you deem it worthy?

[Learner]

Which LR wanted $790?

I have lost my keys recently and ordered a new one through a LR dealer. The cost $481, including programming.

It's not something that I want to do every week, but it surely beats $790.

[TerryO]

Rb30gtr sounds like a good idea if you rewrite it then it can go in the FAQ section.

You know if you buy five keys then using the same logic you will have saved enough to buy a rear wheel carrier, bull bar and possible a winch. ...;)

[rb30gtr]

Which LR wanted $790?

I have lost my keys recently and ordered a new one through a LR dealer. The cost $481, including programming.

It's not something that I want to do every week, but it surely beats $790.

Davis Performance will provide them for about $360ish from memory, new coded and ready to roll.

[rb30gtr]

Rb30gtr sounds like a good idea if you rewrite it then it can go in the FAQ section.

You know if you buy five keys then using the same logic you will have saved enough to buy a rear wheel carrier, bull bar and possible a winch. ...;)

Yep happy to Terry, will get to it today.

Cheers,
Ben

[rb30gtr]

Honest update:

You can only code a new key if you have a vin coded faultmate of your own matched to your own vehicle or something? can anyone confirm?

Land Rover produced 15 keys as a total for each Discovery 3 made, outside of this apparently the main computer is as good as a paperweight.

Therefore my Disco will be sitting in the driveway unable to go anywhere until my new Key ordered from LR in the UK arrives, and then it has to be turned on for the car.

Oh so ontop of my car disabled in the driveway, it has to be towed to where the new key is delivered.

Unless there is an option to start the Disco with just the key and no fob? From recent experience (today) id say getting into the car, waiting for the alarm to stop then trying to start it, does not work.

And here I was so damn sure the new key had worked..wrong.Well right, for the key, not the fob.

[connock]

WHoops :( buggar

connock

[Learner]

Hi rb30gtr,
When I received the new key from UK, I gained access to my D3 using the mechanical door lock. This allowed me to enter the vehicle, disable the epb, put D3 into neutral (may not be able to do this with Auto), open the bonnet and disconnect the battery.

D3 was then flat-bedded to dealer o enable programming of the key.

Best Wishes,
Peter

[rb30gtr]

Hi rb30gtr,
When I received the new key from UK, I gained access to my D3 using the mechanical door lock. This allowed me to enter the vehicle, disable the epb, put D3 into neutral (may not be able to do this with Auto), open the bonnet and disconnect the battery.

D3 was then flat-bedded to dealer o enable programming of the key.

Best Wishes,
Peter

Thanks mate, should be ok just an additional cost I didn't want to have to deal with.
Cheers,
Ben

Anyone know if I can open the car with the key, disconnect the battery then join terminals to reset and then reconnect and start with just the key? Or will a working FOB always be required?

[Learner]

A fob, programmed to the car, is ALWAYS required.

[101RRS]

Sorry rb30gtr I am totally confused now. - your first post implyed it worked but later it doesn't :confused:

Does it work or doesn't it work?

If it doesn't work what made you think it did in the first place - sorry if it has been explained but am having trouble following :confused:

Thanks

Garry

[rb30gtr]

Sorry rb30gtr I am totally confused now. - your first post implyed it worked but later it doesn't :confused:

Does it work or doesn't it work?

If it doesn't work what made you think it did in the first place - sorry if it has been explained but am having trouble following :confused:

Thanks

Garry

Hi Garry,

To answer your question, no it didn't work.

I did a ton of research on disco3.uk and on AULRO, and a few D3 owners made comment of cutting and programming new key's themselves. All misleading information unless I have missed something. Yes just as misleading as this topic! So I do apologise to anyone who gets this when searching, maybe all the other posters started the same and didn't finish by commenting that it cannot be done, by fear of looking a wee bit silly?? I don't mind it's all a learning curve.

I have a brand new cut Key and useless FOB from the UK via ebay that I am unable to program to suit the car.

The original key works fine, but FOB randomly failed just after I tried to get the new one programmed to the car. Just my luck.

I am open to feedback from those that got it to work, what did I do wrong? The faultmate won't match a new key to the car unless it came via VIN order from LR in the UK. So the $40-$60 dollar brand new keys on ebay that you can just order are a waste of money...Apparently..

Cheers,
Ben

[101RRS]

Thanks Ben - I guess one of the issues getting information from forums is that without some previous knowledge, you do not know what is good or poor information.

As a result of your experiences we now know the answer to this one and I thank you for that.

Thanks for the information.

Garry

[rb30gtr]

Thanks Ben - I guess one of the issues getting information from forums is that without some previous knowledge, you do not know what is good or poor information.

As a result of your experiences we now know the answer to this one and I thank you for that.

Thanks for the information.

Garry

Not a problem at all Garry, I am always happy to share my experiences.

Just a shame the way around didn't work, especially now the Disco will be off road for up to 5 weeks because of the little plastic key FOBamajig.

Cheers,
Ben

[101RRS]

especially now the Disco will be off road for up to 5 weeks because of the little plastic key FOBamajig.

Why not just cough up the coin and get one from Davis Performance?

[sheerluck]

Hi Garry,

To answer your question, no it didn't work.

I did a ton of research on disco3.uk and on AULRO, and a few D3 owners made comment of cutting and programming new key's themselves. All misleading information unless I have missed something. Yes just as misleading as this topic! So I do apologise to anyone who gets this when searching, maybe all the other posters started the same and didn't finish by commenting that it cannot be done, by fear of looking a wee bit silly?? I don't mind it's all a learning curve.

I have a brand new cut Key and useless FOB from the UK via ebay that I am unable to program to suit the car.

The original key works fine, but FOB randomly failed just after I tried to get the new one programmed to the car. Just my luck.

I am open to feedback from those that got it to work, what did I do wrong? The faultmate won't match a new key to the car unless it came via VIN order from LR in the UK. So the $40-$60 dollar brand new keys on ebay that you can just order are a waste of money...Apparently..

Cheers,
Ben

Ben, silly question, but do you know exactly how the attempted recode was done? As far as I'm aware, when you try to code the key to the vehicle using a Faultmate or similar, you have to code all the available keys at the same time, otherwise you effectively replace the existing keys in the vehicle's brain.

I've read of quite a few people purchasing those same keys with no problems, and I have one myself.

[rb30gtr]

Why not just cough up the coin and get one from Davis Performance?

Yep that's who I have ordered through, they have been really helpful.

[rb30gtr]

Ben, silly question, but do you know exactly how the attempted recode was done? As far as I'm aware, when you try to code the key to the vehicle using a Faultmate or similar, you have to code all the available keys at the same time, otherwise you effectively replace the existing keys in the vehicle's brain.

I've read of quite a few people purchasing those same keys with no problems, and I have one myself.

Via a faultmate ... I think it may be achievable via your own Faultmate (SV Version) that is matched to your vehicle rather than the 'multi vehicle MV' or Multi Single Vehicle? MSV service version, there is a bit of chatter about that on the disco3 forum.

Replacing the original key with the car's memory I had was not my first option as the car came with only one key, previous owner lost one. It was a concern at the time, hence the research into a new key.

I have even read posts of D3 owners programming the same keys I bought as an extra, or 3rd key.

I am happy to continue trying with the UK one I bought, just need the one to come via Davis Performance before I can drive the car, and I certainly won't want to replace that key, just add another.

When I get into Davis Performance for them to match the new key I am getting in via the UK, I will get them to try the other one I have had cut.

Below exert is from:
http://www.blackbox-solutions.com/downloads/Product_literature/faultmate_msv2.pdf

7) Every other type of diagnostic feature or routine that is often unique to particular vehicles systems, such as
self tests, odometer synchronisation, security immobilisation synchronisation, key fob programming, adaptive
value resetting, self calibration and so on and on and on

[rb30gtr]

Ben, silly question, but do you know exactly how the attempted recode was done? As far as I'm aware, when you try to code the key to the vehicle using a Faultmate or similar, you have to code all the available keys at the same time, otherwise you effectively replace the existing keys in the vehicle's brain.

I've read of quite a few people purchasing those same keys with no problems, and I have one myself.

Actually, maybe this is what f'd up the original key I had with the car. Just seemed strange that I thought I was sorted with my own import cut and code of a key and then the original one packed it in, it completely lost its relationship with the car. I took it apart and hard wired a different 3v battery as the lug also ended up broken on the negative of the battery, after the new battery wired up it never worked again.

[sheerluck]

Actually, maybe this is what f'd up the original key I had with the car. Just seemed strange that I thought I was sorted with my own import cut and code of a key and then the original one packed it in, it completely lost its relationship with the car. I took it apart and hard wired a different 3v battery as the lug also ended up broken on the negative of the battery, after the new battery wired up it never worked again.

When I read your original post, I thought it a little strange. In terms of functionality, I believe there is no difference between a MV Faultmate versus a SV Faultmate, but I know that the procedure I read for the key coding had to be strictly followed, and all current keys had to be present for it to be successful.

[rb30gtr]

When I read your original post, I thought it a little strange. In terms of functionality, I believe there is no difference between a MV Faultmate versus a SV Faultmate, but I know that the procedure I read for the key coding had to be strictly followed, and all current keys had to be present for it to be successful.

Now you have me pondering.

Consider this thread still alive, I will continue on my quest and report back.

Can the original key even 'forget' the car, because I am at a loss as to what has happened to it, other than the mob who tried to code the new one messing it up. That said, it worked for a few days perfectly fine before not working.

Maybe I should drop this wedding idea and spend the cash on the Disco...:angel:

[Learner]

SNIP
and all current keys had to be present for it to be successful.
Hi Sheerluck,
This is true - and is also true of key programming at dealers.

Best Wishes,
Peter

[rb30gtr]

Hi Sheerluck,
This is true - and is also true of key programming at dealers.

Best Wishes,
Peter

On that note, what if a key has been lost?

Cheers,
Ben

[sheerluck]

On that note, what if a key has been lost?

Cheers,
Ben

Then when the reprogramming is done, the lost key is effectively deleted by not being present at the time.

[rb30gtr]

Then when the reprogramming is done, the lost key is effectively deleted by not being present at the time.

Automatically or you need to select manually the removal of the key via the faultmate?
And can you have more than two keys programmed to a car then?

So the missing key for my car could technically still be coded to the car if it wasn't manually removed, or not being present made it automatically decode?

[chunk]

Hi rb30gtr after reading your thread it sounds like the D2 and D3 keys are programmed the same way, only difference I can see is the cost involved.

So what happens is you take your shiny brand new replacement key plus your old key to the dealer/programmer and he reprograms the two keys and computer so they all work on the same code, any other keys lost or not present will no longer be able to access the vehicle. I have also been told that some of the bigger name lock smiths can also code your keys to your vehicle.

Also you should inquire through your local dealer about the "emergency access code" for your vehicle I'm not 100% sure but I believe this will deactivate your alarm/immobaliser allowing you to drive the vehicle.

[rb30gtr]

Hi rb30gtr after reading your thread it sounds like the D2 and D3 keys are programmed the same way, only difference I can see is the cost involved.

So what happens is you take your shiny brand new replacement key plus your old key to the dealer/programmer and he reprograms the two keys and computer so they all work on the same code, any other keys lost or not present will no longer be able to access the vehicle. I have also been told that some of the bigger name lock smiths can also code your keys to your vehicle.

Also you should inquire through your local dealer about the "emergency access code" for your vehicle I'm not 100% sure but I believe this will deactivate your alarm/immobaliser allowing you to drive the vehicle.

Thanks Chunk,

The programming of the new key did not work, but maybe it was the key, not sure.

I like the sound of this emergency access code! I will call the stealer today.

Cheers,
Ben

[rb30gtr]

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Hi mate,
After some extensive research, 'Emergency access code' does not relate to D3 or above.

Cheers,
Ben

[chunk]

Hi mate,

After some extensive research, 'Emergency access code' does not relate to D3 or above.

Cheers,
Ben

Well thats funny I just did a 5 min search and found a company in England that sells the codes for Disco 3 and 4. It's proper name is "Emergency Key Access" code.

www.mgrovercodes.com/eka-codes

[rb30gtr]

Well thats funny I just did a 5 min search and found a company in England that sells the codes for Disco 3 and 4. It's proper name is "Emergency Key Access" code.


Thanks Chunk,

You may just be spot on, however mgrovercodes wont work, and I shouldn't have to pay. The dealer may be able to provide me with an EKA if I can provide proof of purchase.

Thanks,
Ben

[Learner]

Automatically or you need to select manually the removal of the key via the faultmate?
And can you have more than two keys programmed to a car then?

So the missing key for my car could technically still be coded to the car if it wasn't manually removed, or not being present made it automatically decode?

When I bought my D3, the widow could only find one key.

I, subsequently, bought a second one through LR and had it programmed at the dealers.

Later, the widow found the missing key and sent it to me. However, it wouldn't work on the car. I Took it and the D3 to the dealers where it was reprogrammed. However, the 3rd key wouldn't work.

I had to take all 3 keys at the same time in for reprogramming for them all to work.

This shows that:
- the D3 can be programmed for more than 2 keys, and
- when keys are reprogrammed, any other keys are no longer programmed to the vehicle.

Best Wishes,
Peter

[rb30gtr]

When I bought my D3, the widow could only find one key.

I, subsequently, bought a second one through LR and had it programmed at the dealers.

Later, the widow found the missing key and sent it to me. However, it wouldn't work on the car. I Took it and the D3 to the dealers where it was reprogrammed. However, the 3rd key wouldn't work.

I had to take all 3 keys at the same time in for reprogramming for them all to work.

This shows that:
- the D3 can be programmed for more than 2 keys, and
- when keys are reprogrammed, any other keys are no longer programmed to the vehicle.

Best Wishes,
Peter

Thanks Peter, info is appreciated.
More than 2 keys is good news, now I just need to get one that works.
It has been an interesting procedure that is for sure.
The Dealer is getting back to me with an EKA today apparently, had a large amount of trouble trying to get one yesterday, some sort of system issue they think.

Cheers,
Ben

[rb30gtr]

Update:

There are NO EKA Codes available beyond 2004 for Land Rover Discovery 2a.

MG & Rover Code Service. EKA | RADIO | KEY. Online or Telephone 01379 669375. (http://www.mgrovercodes.com) - Our AUS VIN's do not work

LR Australia - Nothing in the system

Dealers - Same story, no EKA codes beyond 2004, got this from multiple dealers across NSW

Now trying road side assistance companies, will update when I get answers.

*I have now made over 40 phone calls on this Key/FOB topic