Internet download copyright threat

[Didge]

Probably should go in the computers section but worth a warning to all. Got two emails today about copyright violations regarding bitorrent downloads. Original email went to my ISP from USA copyright owners and then my ISP emailed me. Was downloading what I was led to believe was a recent SBS tv show but must be some sort of pay tv show (DaVinci's Demons).
Have subsequently deleted utorrent and respective downloads as I want no involvement in legal action!

[JamesB71]

Is that the afact people? Got a similar letter a few years ago. Told me to delete the content so I did. Nothing further.

[Steve223]

Is that the afact people? Got a similar letter a few years ago. Told me to delete the content so I did. Nothing further.

yes that why you don't use public trackers for BT downloads...... sign up with one of the many sign up required trackers and chances to get such notice a greatly reduced

[Didge]

Nah, I got my letter from tpg.com.au who had received an email from:

Andrew Beck
Irdeto USA, Inc.
3255-3 Scott Blvd. Suite 101 Santa Clara, CA 95054
Phone: 408-492-8500 fax: 408-727-6743

Interesting, I was just told to stop, not to delete the content.
There was half a page of internet mumbo jumbo but it sort of took the wind out of me for a while. I know my daughters boyfriend like to download from torrents and he laughs it off saying his mates get letters all the time and everyone he knows who downloads from piratebay never get any threats. I think it'll be easier to let someone else download and just get a copy, eh?

[Didge]

Ok, Steve, we shall discuss this in October eh? now that's gonna be here before we know it :)

[Disco Muppet]

Interesting, I'd downloaded a fair few things in my time and have never had any such notice.
I wouldn't be too concerned

[Roverlord off road spares]

iinet who is my provider challenged and won when they were accused of letting their customers download illegal content.
Use peer guardian or similar when using a torrent downloader.
That Swedish mob, Pirate bay, the feds have been trying unsuccessfuly to shut them down, they just tell the authorities were they can shove it and use mirrors and stuff.

Best thing is don't do the wrong thing:angel: and they won't hunt you:p

[Didge]

It was on my mind a bit earlier today but I've settled down a lot and am not really concerned now. It's basically a threat to let you know they're watching. Trouble is, one of these mobs in the USA sued some woman over a trivial download and tried to hit her up for $2million or so. So they basically tired to bankrupt her over a few movies and the intent was to send a message to everyone. I don't know the final result but wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of such a lawsuit.

[Discomark]

Irdeto are the mob who make encryption cards for Foxtel settops and others. There was a case last year where they busted a guy for piracy. 18 months suspended and 15k fine...
Irdeto helps shut down Australian TV pirate - D2D (http://digital2disc.com/index.php/news/article/irdeto-helps-shut-down-australian-tv-pirate)

[Didge]

thanks for the link Discomark. Interesting he was on selling which, I would imagine clearly demonstrates an intent to pirate and profit from it. I imagine they'd come down more heavily on that than simple downloading.

[Distortion]

iiNet gets hundreds of these a month, I know I have to deal with them. iiNet doesn't pass them on to customers.

If you want to read more iiNet media centre - Copyright Case (http://www.iinet.net.au/about/mediacentre/copyright-case/) has alot of interesting information

They basicly don't want to go through the costs of going to court first and getting a warrant for the customer information they want with but I'd bet if they started doing this you'd hear about it very quickly

[Didge]

Interesting Rob, did you happen to catch the trial of the 3 guys who run Piratebay from, I think, Sweden? All young guys in what looked like their mid twenties and for the prosecuting barristers it was like trying to outsmart, Einstein, Newton and Stephen Hawkings on a matter of physics. I couldn't believe how:
1. Smart these young guys were; and
2. cocky and arrrogant towards authority;and
their leader in particular had an answer for everything thrown at him. It was amazing and they're still trading.
Anyway, I've done some reading and apparently it's still quite possible for your personal IP address to be hacked and you're actually innocent. I've seen the lights on my modem flickering away like its downloading whilst all the computers, etc in my house were turned off, so what's happening there?

[Eevo]

lol

ignore the email.

small list of excuses you can use

- i have an unprotected wi-fi
- i have tor running
- it might of been your cousin when they borrowed your internet\
- what movie? i cant see it on my hdd


i would be printing off the email and framing it.

[Eevo]

Interesting, I'd downloaded a fair few things in my time and have never had any such notice.
I wouldn't be too concerned

over the years, ive managed to collect and keep about 8tB of material.

[Distortion]

An IP address can't be hacked it's just that, an address.

What does happen is people will compromise your modem or something behind it(a pc etc) and use that to do things via your connection this is unlikely to be anything that is traffic heavy as current connection speeds in Aus make this impractical(nbn is changing this) typically compromised pc's are used for other things such as sending spam and identity theft of the owner.

Where people dispute that they downloaded data more often than not they had a poorly configured wireless device or a friend came round and plugged a pc in and the old favorite one of the kids/kids friends did it while they weren't supervised.

Another point that gets brought up from time to time is alot of these internet connections use dynamic addresses but the person/account who was assigned an address at a particular time is usally available to an ISP

I also think the number of warrants that come through from police for peices of information would amaze people and if you think something like peer guardian will help you are going to be in for a rude shock

[Disco Muppet]

over the years, ive managed to collect and keep about 8tB of material.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/1264.jpg (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/DiscoMuppet/media/abaa-Obama-Not-Bad_zpse5a59efb.jpg.html)

[Tombie]

A nice VPN on an encrypted server helps ;)

[Didge]

So, how does one go about that? :)

[Tombie]

Search the torrent forums it will give you a stack of info.

They usually cost a small fee to be a member.

[TeamFA]

...and if you think something like peer guardian will help you are going to be in for a rude shock


G'day Rob,

I'm curious as to why you think Peer Guardian (I was actually going to suggest using PeerBlock) is ineffectual? If it's installed on each machine accessing the internet (and theoretically downloading copyrighted material), and the block lists are kept up to date, then my research indicates a pretty good chance of not being tracked by the companies that are involved in monitoring the download traffic.

Cheers!
Michael.

[rick130]

A good friend worked (and still freelances) for SBS and the ABC and loves The PirateBay and Kickarse :D

[incisor]

An IP address can't be hacked it's just that, an address.


but it can be masqueraded and spoofed.

i once got one of the letters for supposedly downloading a harry potter movie...

i cant stand harry potter and knew i or anyone here wouldn't have bothered

so i asked for and got their so called evidence

it was ip based and easily spoofed, as i showed them

i got a nice thank you letter and an apology.

it has been my experience that a lot of these letters result because the package people download includes a trojanised component that sends back the ip address of the machine it has been utilised on.

the payload can be in anything from a jpg to a html file to an avi

peerguardian and the like only stop known lists of "bad" ip addresses monitoring the trackers during the download process..

firewalls usually don't help either as the trojans use the same ports that are open for normal internet traffic.

these mobs usually only go after you if you are sharing what you have downloaded, don't share and your normally safe unless you use a package that is being monitored such as a recent very popular movie.

[Distortion]

Interesting incisor,

Most of these that I see go by are cases where they have used a honey pot and have both sent and received a chunk of the file from the address. Spoofing an IP address means the honey pot doesn't get the correct responses when it sends a chunk of the file.

I'm not sure on the details of the letter they sent you but I'm guessing it was some time ago as these days they come through with the amount of data transmitted/received and multiple time stamps of these.

My comment regarding peer guardian was more to do with how easy it is for them to setup the honey pots I referred to above on standard generic ISPs so they are using a random ISP IP Address not on any of peer guardians block lists.

[incisor]

Spoofing an IP address means the honey pot doesn't get the correct responses when it sends a chunk of the file.

that depends on who is controlling dns ;)

but much of it would have changed since my days on os2warez :D:D:D

[Didge]

This is one of my emails in full showing the details you have mentioned Rob.
Dear Customer (***********),

Attached is an email that TPG has received complaining about certain
conduct. The IP address and timestamps provided by the complainant
indicate that the conduct occurred over your TPG Service.

Infringement IP address: 27.32.49.xxx
Infringement timestamp (SYD): 2013-08-08 14:22:45

TPG does not condone the use of TPG Services for activities which are
offensive, illegal, or infringe on the legal rights of other persons.
Such activities are expressly stated in your agreement with us as being
a basis on which TPG may suspend or terminate the supply of services to
you.

It is alleged in the attached complaint that you, or someone authorised
by you, have engaged in such an activity. If you agree that you did
engage in the activity, please cease it immediately. If you do not
believe that you have engaged in the activity complained about or you
believe that the activity is not illegal, offensive or an infringement
of another person's rights, please contact the complainant as soon as
possible and explain your position to them.

If you have any questions about this email or our Terms and Conditions,
please contact Customer Service on customer_service@xxx.com.au (customer_service@tpg.com.au) or
13 14 23.

Thank you.


Kind Regards,

Internet Abuse Team
xxx Internet

E-mail: ssss@xxx.com.au (abuse@tpg.com.au)
Phone: 13 14 23
Fax: 02 9850 0813



From: "starz_media@copyright-compliance.com" <starz_media@copyright-compliance.com>
Subject: 314-95671620 Notice of Unauthorized Use of Starz, LLC ("Starz") Property
Date: 8 August 2013 2:30:58 PM AEST


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Notice of Unauthorized Use of Starz, LLC ("Starz") Property
Notice ID: 314-95671620
Notice Date: 08 Aug 2013 04:30:57 GMT

TPG Internet Pty Ltd.

Dear Sir or Madam:

Irdeto USA, Inc. (hereinafter referred to as "Irdeto") swears under penalty of perjury that Starz has authorized Irdeto to act as its non-exclusive agent for copyright infringement notification. Irdeto's search of the protocol listed below has detected infringements of Starz copyright interests on your IP addresses as detailed in the below report. Irdeto has reasonable good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of in the below report is not authorized by Starz, its agents, or the law.

Irdeto has reasonable good faith belief that Starz its agents, or the law does not authorize use of the material in the manner complained of in the below report. The information provided herein is accurate to the best of our knowledge. Therefore, this letter is an official notification to effect removal of the detected infringement listed in the below report.

The Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works, the Universal Copyright Convention, as well as bilateral treaties with other countries allow for protection of client's copyrighted work even beyond U.S. borders. The below documentation specifies the exact location of the infringement.

We hereby request that you immediately remove or block access to the infringing material, as specified in the copyright laws, and insure the user refrains from using or sharing with others Starz materials in the future.

Further, we believe that the entire Internet community benefits when these matters are resolved cooperatively. We urge you to take immediate action to stop this infringing activity. We appreciate your efforts toward this common goal.

Please send us a prompt response indicating the actions you have taken to resolve this matter, making sure to reference the Notice ID number above in your response.

If you do not wish to reply by email, please use our Web Interface by clicking on the following link: Ixxxxo Web Infriddddment Response System (http://webreply.copyright-compliance.com/WebReply?webreplyhash=846117613789bfa21eebe4368b0b 5e88)

Note: If your email program has inserted line breaks into either the email or web links above, you can copy and paste the entire link into your email program, or favorite web browser, respectively.

Nothing in this letter shall serve as a waiver of any rights or remedies of Starz with respect to the alleged infringement, all of which are expressly reserved. Should you need to contact me, I may be reached at the below address.

Regards,

Andrew Beck
Irdeto USA, Inc.
3255-3 Scott Blvd. Suite 101 Santa Clara, CA 95054
Phone: 408-492-8500 fax: 408-727-6743

*pgp public key is available on the key server at MIT PGP Key Serxxx (http://pgp.mit.edu)

Note: The information transmitted in this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers.

This infringement notice contains an XML tag that can be used to automate the processing of this data. If you would like more information on how to use this tag please contact Irdeto.

Evidentiary Information:
Notice ID: 314-95671620
Initial Infringement Timestamp: 08 Aug 2013 04:22:45 GMT
Recent Infringement Timestamp: 08 Aug 2013 04:22:45 GMT
Infringers IP Address: 27.32.49.117
Protocol: BitTorrent
Infringed Work: Da Vinci's Demons
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Infringing File Size: 1886484358
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Port ID: 26085
URL: http://www.h33t.com:3310xxx/announce (http://www.h33t.com:3310/announce)
Infringer's User Name:
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[Distortion]

This will likely interest you

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm't=1399900

I'd also suggest not including your email address at the top of that post =)

[Didge]

Hi Rob, thanks - interesting article; thanks. Did you delete my email? if so, how? thanks again.
cheers gerald

[Distortion]

no worries

I assume a mod spotted it a silently removed it

[Tombie]

If suggest editing the link in the post too.

I clicked it and got to the link the individual is to use to respond.

Could do some mischief with that ;)

[Didge]

Good idea Tombie, done - what a dill I am :(

[Aussie]

Easy way around this, simply turn on encryption in your torrent client then nobody can see inside your packets.

[Eevo]

Easy way around this, simply turn on encryption in your torrent client then nobody can see inside your packets.

Lol. That won't matter to a router doing dpi

[Davo]

Good idea Tombie, done - what a dill I am :(

No, just a normal person trying to deal with the gooey morass that is the Internet. :D

[woody]

Another way to reduce these emails is to reduce the upload speed and limit when downloading torrents from public sources. After a long chat with my ISP they indicated that it is the upload that is counted as distribution of copyright material and they are less concerned with the download. Also don't leave the torrent to seed for to long.

woody

[Davo]

If only this thread was in English.

[bob10]

Easy way around this, simply turn on encryption in your torrent client then nobody can see inside your packets.

:eek: Please, Sir, what does that mean?

[Aussie]

[quote=Eevo;1965324]Lol. That won't matter to a router doing dpi[/]

That's a very broad statement and not strictly correct encryption can defeat DPI

Bypassing Telstra's P2P crackdown is child's play (http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/bypassing-telstras-p2p-crackdown-is-childs-play-20130206-2dy0n.html)

Until ISPs spend more money to implement better dpi systems, the method I mentioned above is the easiest and simplest way of using p2p. It's a cat and mouse game ISP implement something, people find a way to circumvent it.

[Disco Muppet]

Also don't leave the torrent to seed for to long.


I rarely seed.
I know, I'm a bad person :p

[Didge]

Yeah, that was the cause for my second warning; I'd forgotten I was seeding :(

[Eevo]

[quote=Eevo;1965324]Lol. That won't matter to a router doing dpi[/]

That's a very broad statement and not strictly correct encryption can defeat DPI

Bypassing Telstra's P2P crackdown is child's play (http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/bypassing-telstras-p2p-crackdown-is-childs-play-20130206-2dy0n.html)

Until ISPs spend more money to implement better dpi systems, the method I mentioned above is the easiest and simplest way of using p2p. It's a cat and mouse game ISP implement something, people find a way to circumvent it.

1) telstra does not currently shape p2p traffic
2) telstra has some of the most up to date layer 5 (routing/firewalls) devices in the world

[Eevo]

I rarely seed.
I know, I'm a bad person :p

very bad :angrylock:

always seed 1:1 if not more

[Disco Muppet]

very bad :angrylock:

always seed 1:1 if not more

I download maybe 20 files a year max, all with a Seed/leach ratio of at least 5:1 so I figure one extra isn't going to slow things down too much.
It's not that I never seed, I put the upload speed on the lowest setting while downloading, then when it finishes I put it onto the highest setting for half an hour or so then I turn it off.
Other than that I actually pay for my music and movies :D

[Eevo]

Other than that I actually pay for my music and movies :D

wash your mouth out with soap young man :banban:

[Disco Muppet]

wash your mouth out with soap young man :banban:

:tease::tease::tease:

[Eevo]

:tease::tease::tease:

:soapbox::soapbox::soapbox: