Series 1 - NSW Engineering certification ??

[Yorkshire_Jon]

Afternoon all.

By way of background...
I have just bought a 1955 S1 86" with a dead Holden (Stafrire - 2.0L 4cyl) Engine. The car is registered in NSW until January 2014 and currently shows the Holden Engine number on the rego.

The car has S1 axles, gearbox and T/Box.

Some may turn their heads in shame, but Id like to remove the Holden and drop in a 300Tdi and R380 gearbox via a Stumpy Bell-housing (to get the gear-leavers in the correct place). The car is not a show car by any means and will be used now and again for taking the dogs for a walk etc etc...

I still have to resolve which Transfer box to use, but thinking of retainging the S1 one.

Now the question...
I need to get the car Engineered with its 300Tdi engine. Can anyone recommend an Engineer that has signed off on a Holden 202 conversion as the power output of that motor is identical to a 300Tdi?

Ive looked on the RTA website and spoken to 1 or 2 certifiers, but none of them seem to be aware of the Holden conversions and one has, incorrectly said that the car will need engineering because its getting a turbo.


Thanks
J

[JFD]

Hello Yorkshire Jon, if you get a copy of Vehicle Standards Information sheet No. 6 Guidelines for light vehicle modifications from the RMS,it should point you in the right direction. Regards John

[Yorkshire_Jon]

Hello Yorkshire Jon, if you get a copy of Vehicle Standards Information sheet No. 6 Guidelines for light vehicle modifications from the RMS,it should point you in the right direction. Regards John

Thanks. Ive had a look at that document and also Vehicle Standards Bulletin 14, covers Light Vehicle Construction and Modification.

My main issue is trying to find a certifier that is open to the idea of sympathetically modifying the Landy with the minimum of external mods. VSB14 defines the 300Tdi as a Performance engine modification as the engine delivers more than 20% of the original vehicles power output and as such requires a whole host of modifications.

The 300Tdi delivers exactly the same bhp and torque so the modifications required should be the same - my understanding is generally it is / was just the engine that was changed(?).

I know there are many Holden 202 powered Series 1's out there, legally registered, so how and who certified the engine changes?

Jon

[JFD]

Hello Yorkshire Jon,I think you will find that your engine swap is outside the 15% over original engine capacity and will require an Engineers certificate.I also found it quite hard to find an Engineer that would talk engine conversions as the RMS have moved the goal posts in the last couple of years and most seem to have moved on to other things.Any vehicle that had engine swaps back in the good old days before all of the regulations came into force and were kept registered have no problems. Regards John

[Yorkshire_Jon]

I know what you mean... Regulations... Grrrrr:)

On the other hand, taking a practical approach, I have a S1 with a DEAD Holden engine in it, I simply want to put another engine in it. By the new rules, I can no longer replace it with another identical Holden!

J

[Scouse]

I know what you mean... Regulations... Grrrrr:)

On the other hand, taking a practical approach, I have a S1 with a DEAD Holden engine in it, I simply want to put another engine in it. By the new rules, I can no longer replace it with another identical Holden!

JIf your rego papers show the existing Holden engine number then you shouldn't have a problem fitting an identical replacement.
You just need to get a Blue Slip for an engine number change, no engineer should be involved.

[101RRS]

Jon,

In the good old days some common vehicle modification gained standard engineering approval so specific engineering approval was not required. So modifications like a holden six in a landie and subaru lift kits could be done without specific engineering as these were approved modifications.

Most of the holden sixes into landies under this process would have been done in the 70s and into the 80s so in most cases there will not be any documentation (Qld may have a Blue Plate) other than a Holden engine number on the rego docs.

With a 300tdi - irrespective whether a Holden or original landie engine is fitted there will be an engineering process and the best way to achieve what you want is to strike a good relationship with the engineer and work through your ideas with him. If the turbo is an issue then maybe do it first without the turbo and put it on later.

Garry

[Yorkie]

Give Davis performance a call, think Bruce does engineering or is very close to someone that does. :cool:

[Bigbjorn]

Why not just rebuild what you've got? No bureaucratic problems then.

[101RRS]

If your rego papers show the existing Holden engine number then you shouldn't have a problem fitting an identical replacement.
You just need to get a Blue Slip for an engine number change, no engineer should be involved.

Exactly - if replacing like with like then just get follow the process to get the engine number changed.

Garry

[Yorkshire_Jon]

Thanks all,

First step sounds like speaking to a few blue slip people would be a good idea.

Cheers
Jon

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