GT2256V on a TD5?

[Hamish71]

Hey,

I have a VNT on my TD5, but most disturbingly, the actuator and lever have "flogged out" in under 20000km. I can repair it...but its an excuse to look for something else.

Has anyone tried the GT2256V from the TDv6?

Hamish

[Alex 110]

thought about the GT2052V as fitted to the 3L patrol among others? Since the original D2 turbo is a GT2052S it may be a simple swap.
Maybe...mm food for thought...:D
Cheers,
Alex

[Tombie]

That sounds bad... 20,000km :(

What did the manufacturer have to say?

[Hamish71]

That sounds bad... 20,000km :(

What did the manufacturer have to say?

Hey Tombie,

Maybe I should speak to the rep I bought it off...that would be you! :)
Ah, warranty. May have only been 20k km, but it was, what 3yrs ago?
Don't think the warranty was that good.

[Tombie]

I can speak to Pete and see what he has to say, what has it taken out? the bush? Shaft etc?

[Hamish71]

I can speak to Pete and see what he has to say, what has it taken out? the bush? Shaft etc?

The actuator lever on the exhaust housing, the lever that moves the vanes, it has flogged out in the housing and is flopping around everywhere. This in turn has flogged out the eyelet on the rod connected to the boost actuator.

Took it to a local place for repair (Eastern Turbo in Melbourne)....had to replace the exhaust housing, cost almost but not quite as much as a new turbo.

[Slunnie]

thought about the GT2052V as fitted to the 3L patrol among others? Since the original D2 turbo is a GT2052S it may be a simple swap.
Maybe...mm food for thought...:D
Cheers,
Alex
Has this been done?

[slug_burner]

Yes and there is a thread on this forum about it. I'll see if I can find it.

I found the thread I was thinking of.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/projects-tutorials/69718-disco-td5-turbo-upgrade.html

[twr7cx]

Yes and there is a thread on this forum about it. I'll see if I can find it.

I found the thread I was thinking of.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/projects-tutorials/69718-disco-td5-turbo-upgrade.html

With the different flanges and that, it seems easier to just use on of the two direct bolt on VNT upgrades from Turbo Technics ( Turbo Technics (http://www.turbotechnics.com/) - these are the guys who supply people like BAS etc.) or a larger turbo from Alive Tuning ( Hybrid Turbo for Td5 (http://www.alivetuning.com/alive-boutique/index.php?route=product/product&path=61_68&product_id=127) ).

[Dougal]

You've probably already got a GT2256V. Measure the wheels and check.

[td5inside]

Dougal is correct, the TurboTechnics VNT turbo is a 2256 .

The 2052V is in fact a very good conversion. We have made a few using an AUDI 2.5 tdi Allroad Turbo. Here it is:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/551053_397581986969484_1289059855_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/578856_397581693636180_1288751635_n.jpg

I think the best compromisse for the td5 would be a 2056v. In fact these came as standart in the R5 vw engine and also in the LT van, wich are also 5 cilinder. I believe Volvo D5 uses them aswell!

There is also a guy overhere that fitted a 2056VNT ballbearing turbo from the latest generation 350cdi Mercedes engine. I will tune it next week ad will see what´s what :twisted:

Regards,

[Hamish71]

Isnt the 2056 on the X5 as well? If so, Mick has just put one on the TD5 conversion for the ute. http://www.aulro.com/afvb/projects-tutorials/166471-d1-ute-td5-conversion-3.html

Reportedly, fantastic power up high, nothing at low and mid range. Great for on road, not so good off.

Edit: Hmmm....just checked myself. I am sure he told me it was off an x5, but can then see on his thread his is a 2260.

[Dougal]

The garrett naming conventions aren't always consistent. Sometimes they match up, otherwise you'll find a completely different compressor wheel to the one you expect inside.

Then you've got the issues with old vs newer generation parts. A GT22 turbine has a 42.7mm exducer and flows better than a GT25 turbine which has a 41.7mm exducer etc. The GT22 is also a newer and more efficient design which produces the same power for less drive pressure.

[td5inside]

Isnt the 2056 on the X5 as well? If so, Mick has just put one on the TD5 conversion for the ute. http://www.aulro.com/afvb/projects-tutorials/166471-d1-ute-td5-conversion-3.html

Reportedly, fantastic power up high, nothing at low and mid range. Great for on road, not so good off.

Edit: Hmmm....just checked myself. I am sure he told me it was off an x5, but can then see on his thread his is a 2260.

Both of the turbos you reported were fitted in the x5! I believe in those symptoms with the 2260, but not with the 2056 unless it was not setuped properly - it's not an easy task, since they normally are vacuum operated and you have to make them work with pressure wastegate!

[Vern]

Both of the turbos you reported were fitted in the x5! I believe in those symptoms with the 2260, but not with the 2056 unless it was not setuped properly - it's not an easy task, since they normally are vacuum operated and you have to make them work with pressure wastegate!

Jose, what about controlling it with a Dawes valve and a needle valve to regulate the vacuum?

[td5inside]

Jose, what about controlling it with a Dawes valve and a needle valve to regulate the vacuum?

It cant be made, but I think its easyer to simply put the turbo working on a pressure wastegate and use the stock td5 one or the forge uprated one for the td5 wich allows some adjustments :)

The above photos of the 2052VNT in the defender shows the original td5 wastegate!

Regards

[Vern]

I have a 2260vnt on my Isuzu, which is not running yet, but have set one up on another conversion that was done here, we ran the Dawes valve to control the vacuum actuator, and a needle valve to reduce the vacuum into the Dawes valve. Seemed to work, but I didn't get a real good look at it or play around with it much. I'm not really up to speed with controlling turbo's that's why I asked the question:)

[Hamish71]

Well, my rebuilt TT VNT with a new compressor wheel seems to work wonders.....more bottom, mid than before.

Might need a new tune though!

[Dougal]

I have a 2260vnt on my Isuzu, which is not running yet, but have set one up on another conversion that was done here, we ran the Dawes valve to control the vacuum actuator, and a needle valve to reduce the vacuum into the Dawes valve. Seemed to work, but I didn't get a real good look at it or play around with it much. I'm not really up to speed with controlling turbo's that's why I asked the question:)

There are two advantages to the vacuum actuator and pneumatic control (Dawes is one way).
The first advantage is you can adjust boost either way with minimal tools and being away from hot exhaust parts.
The second is the vanes essentially cycle themselves every time the engine is turned on. Because the spring returns them to the open position and the vacuum pulls them towards closed. This helps keep them from clogging up with carbon.

The forces on the actuator lever should also be less running the vacuum can.

[justfishing]

Hey,

I have a VNT on my TD5, but most disturbingly, the actuator and lever have "flogged out" in under 20000km. I can repair it...but its an excuse to look for something else.

Has anyone tried the GT2256V from the TDv6?

Hamish

Hello,
Just reading this thread and I have the same VNT from BAS it would have done about the same km and have the head off. So I inspected the turbo after reading this thread, it has the same problems as yours would have more than 1 mm play on the shaft now.
Ian

[twr7cx]

Thats quiet concerning. I hope mine is holding up better!

[56lux]

The garrett naming conventions aren't always consistent. Sometimes they match up, otherwise you'll find a completely different compressor wheel to the one you expect inside.

Then you've got the issues with old vs newer generation parts. A GT22 turbine has a 42.7mm exducer and flows better than a GT25 turbine which has a 41.7mm exducer etc. The GT22 is also a newer and more efficient design which produces the same power for less drive pressure.



so wich vnt turbo are you suggesting for a td5? wich is the easyest to adapte?
thank you

[Lrd300]

So which turbo suits best to a td5 .... The 2052v, 2256v or the 2056v? :confused:

[td5inside]

So which turbo suits best to a td5 .... The 2052v, 2256v or the 2056v? :confused:

Now that I've put a lot of time and effort to find out that my answer is....None :)

Adapting vnt turbo to the td5 is tricky in the same way ( as Dougal said) those numbers are tricky... I bet a 1756VK turbo has better overall performance than that 2256v you named :) So, the numbers say little or nothing and also, they are different from brand to brand... a 2256 from a VW its different from an iveco, and from an Alfa, etc etc...

During the research for our vnt's the conclusions I got were:

- The work/changes in the Turbo internals and mainly in exausth turbine, and the compressor, its very important in order to make it work and have good torque down low.

- Wastegate actuator specs its very important to have best performance and control over the VNT opening vs pressure.

- Using a converted turbo with the wastegate actuator in the oposite side of the stock position its big mistake...hard to setup and specially easy to get dirty and get VNT blocked...

This is ours...by the way:

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t34.0-12/12355188_10153575131588941_939589669_n.jpg?oh=2373 a399e40961d2096edea1e903b278&oe=566741CD

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t34.0-12/12335866_10153575131493941_575584042_n.jpg?oh=050c d238238cb259579518cf266be428&oe=566741E0

Cheers,