What engine to go with... and a few more questions

[SIL3N7]

So i recently purchased a 1979 LWB Rover that had a shot 186 in it. So pulled it out and pulled the clutch off there was a broken "brass" (i think) spacer in there with mod plate. Is this a Thrust Washer?

Is the 186 and 202 mod plate for the gear box the same? and how about the engine mounts?

And what would some people recommend? I'm not really after power as such just want to make a good camper to go on the beach.

I'm pretty new car motors. I've rebuilt plenty of bikes before 2 and 4 stroke and would say i'm mechanically minded, but i'm self taught... youtube and helpful folks like yourselfs haha

Anyway any comments or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers!

[loanrangie]

Any red blue or black holden six will drop in, being the vintage that holden six's are at now i would possibly look at a 202 black motor around VK Commonwhore vintage, may possibly find a good runner if you are lucky.

[Homestar]

As mentioned red, blue and black will work. If you use a black motor unless you want to go with the very average fuel injection setup it came with, just use the engine itself and bolt carbys on. The dizzy on the black motor will be useless to you as it only distributes the spark and does nothing else. The timing was done by a crank angle sensor. The blue motor dizzy is an electronic dizzy and is what you should be looking for - it will bolt straight into a red or black motor.

Heads are different between the red and the blue/black engines so if you use a black, and want to run carbs, then you will need a manifold off a blue.

Apart from that you can mix and match them. All are getting very old now but you may be able to find a good blue or black runner that needs little work.

Failing that, have a crack at rebuilding one as they are simple to work on and a great engine to cut your teeth on. :)

Cheers - Gav

[Vern]

And they can be stroked using a modified ford 221 crank, with a bore brings it out to 235cubic inches:)

[SIL3N7]

Great..... Appreciate all the comments. Research time haha.

[marting]

Hi there
I recently pulled a Holden 6 out of 11a and I still have a few pieces laying around. pm me if there are some pieces you need and I may be able to help.
Cheers, Martin

[loanrangie]

And they can be stroked using a modified ford 221 crank, with a bore brings it out to 235cubic inches:)

Easy on, do you want him to get out of the driveway with axles intact :D.

Hmm, i do have a 179 and a 221 falcon block at the old mans.

[Vern]

Easy on, do you want him to get out of the driveway with axles intact :D.

Hmm, i do have a 179 and a 221 falcon block at the old mans.

Always wanted to have a drive of one (in a Holden of course) just to see how they go. But if I ever build a Holden again (hr), it'll have a turboed 265 hemi:twisted:

[djam1]

Slant 6 Valiant or early Ford 6
Not a fan of Holdens in Land Rovers not a good thing IMHO

[Homestar]

Slant 6 Valiant or early Ford 6
Not a fan of Holdens in Land Rovers not a good thing IMHO

Slant 6 is a fragile engine when asked to work hard, the Ford would be ok. If the Holden engine is so bad in these then why did the vast majority of conversions use them?

[djam1]

Because they were cheap and common
Each unto their own I don't like the characteristics of the engine with Land Rover gearing the fuel consumption or the off road performance.
The Fairey Overdrive was an abomination of noise and unreliability but helped with the gearing.
I am probably in the purist camp and prefer the 4 cylinder petrol to be honest.

[Homestar]

Because they were cheap and common
Each unto their own I don't like the characteristics of the engine with Land Rover gearing the fuel consumption or the off road performance.
The Fairey Overdrive was an abomination of noise and unreliability but helped with the gearing.
I am probably in the purist camp and prefer the 4 cylinder petrol to be honest.

Cheap and common because they were a popular engine, but you are right about the OD - not a great bit of kit, and I agree with you that the LR 4 Cylinder was a decent engine and did its job fine.:)

[2stroke]

Another vote for the 2 1/4 petrol. And having a crank handle is a great thing. More power only gets you to 90km/h faster. I guess you already have a salisbury in the rear and the easiest by far would be to replace or rebuild the red motor in it already. If it's a 6cylinder model the holdens aren't such a bad fit from memory.

[SIL3N7]

Another vote for the 2 1/4 petrol. And having a crank handle is a great thing. More power only gets you to 90km/h faster. I guess you already have a salisbury in the rear and the easiest by far would be to replace or rebuild the red motor in it already. If it's a 6cylinder model the holdens aren't such a bad fit from memory.

Thats an interesting point actually. (Only getting you to 90 faster) Something i didn't really take into consideration, I guess making it original would be pretty cool. I have totally stripped the engine bay for paint. So many options!

[2stroke]

Not sure if your S111 was originally a 6 or 4 cylinder, have only driven one 6 cylinder (the factory 2.6) it was smooth but as I understand it, they weren't without problems. Wasn't any faster than the 4cyl either. There are a lot more light turbo diesel motors around these days than 15 years ago when I was in your boat. As I remember it gearing was always my problem, dabbled with the Fairys for a short time but they were noisy and had worn input splines (couldn't afford a new one at the time).

[series3]

I'll throw a vote in the 2.25 hat as well..

The only holden motor I have driven was in an EH, so I can't comment on their performance in a Landy. But if you aren't lusting for power, then the 2.25 does a fine job. It's great off-road and is fairly smooth and quiet.

Sam

[uninformed]

Td5/r380/lt230, coil conversion.....job done!


You're welcome.

[2stroke]

Nothing wrong with a holden red, or blue for that matter and since that's what's already there it would be the easiest by far. A Holden in a 4cyl model used to involve some chopping of the front crossmember but my first Landie was a 1980 S111 (originally a 6cyl) with a 202, way back in 1986 or so. No crossmember butchery involved in that conversion. It wasn't too pleasant on the highway and sounded busy at 100kmh, burnt a piston (common on 202s) on the way home from Mitchel one time. I built a nice 186 with a Yellaterra head, towing cam, all balanced etc. Still revving its head off at 100kmh but it handled it better than my ears did.:D The ex army 4cyl that I had was an all together nicer cabin to be in and I just had to accept that I should leave earlier and sit on 90kmh max.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

All the Holden/2 1/4litre/200/300TDi engines have their advantages and disadvantages. More than that I'm not convinced changing back will keep people happy either.

What I will say is if you fit a Blue/Black Holden back in, use the flywheel off the red because they are heavier and better suited to the Land Rover.

We always used to say that the 186 was a better match to the Land Rover than the 202 but in all cases they either need a cam and carby off the manual gearbox car or an after market cam and the carb off a manual gearbox car. The reason for the carb off the manual is the position of the vacuum advance port.

Diana