LED Lights

[101 Ron]

I am not one for buying from E bay or on line as I purposely don't have a credit card.
I tend to lay buy stuff from local shops etc.
It is a bit harder to get value for money that way.
At the Jaycar shop they are selling smallish 3600 lumen pencil and flood spot lights.
I have purchased one pencil beam item for 119 dollars and tested it against a known light source in the paddock behind the house in fairly controlled conditions.
The control source is a large reflector 100w Cibie pencil beam 1980s vintage light.
The jaycar item is equal in every way, but throws a whiter light easier to see light.
current draw with the Cibie is bout 10 amps at 12 volt.
The jaycar LED I measured at 2.75 amps at 12 volt.
Due to the small size of these lights I intend to mount 2 pencil beam and 2 flood beam to the front ,one above and below the other using the same mounting bracket and bolts of my 4BY giving 14000 lumens and if you buy more than 2 lights at a time the price drops to 99 dollars each.
The only thing I could fault with the light is the mounting bracket is strong enough , but a bit primitive.
Worth looking at.
3486 Lumen IP68 Solid LED Flood Light - Jaycar Electronics (http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SL3918)

3486 Lumen IP68 Solid LED Spot Light - Jaycar Electronics (http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SL3919)

[Grumbles]

They look the goods - thanks for the link.

[rick130]

Ron, which model Cibié are you comparing it to ?

[AnD3rew]

I am just doing my research on some Spotties at the moment, from what I can glean, LED's appear to be excellent for spread beam type applications and the colour of the lights are good, but for distance the HID lights are the way to go.

I think I am currently settling on a set of HID converted Hella Rallye ff 4000 compacts

[DeeJay]

Well done ,, 16 bucks cheaper than Ebay. & local support included..:)

3486 lumen | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.X3486+ lumen&_nkw=3486+lumen&_sacat=0&_from=R40)

[101 Ron]

Ron, which model Cibié are you comparing it to ?

I don't know , they are the old style big reflector 100w.( I happen to have a set in the garage)
I was really comparing old tech 100w halgen beam spotties to the new LED for power, spread ,ect.
The Jaycar LED items are the same performance including the distance of throw.
I have been looking at LED light bars etc for a while.
The prices are dropping and the performance is getting better.
These jaycar LEDs will replace my existing bull bar 100w halgen lights at a price I can afford and laybuy from the local shop in town.
There would be much better performing LED lights out there, but it is extremely good for the price and they are small and compact fitting into standard bull bar light mounts.
They are small enough to fit two lights, one above the bull bar mounting and one below and if four light s are fitted for a cost of 400 dollars and 14000 lumens of light.....two spread beam. two pencil beam....good value and light.
Seeing the two types of light working side by side set up shining down a paddock running off a jump starter battery pack, the LEDs win by the quality of the light , as the white /blue light reflects back off trees and rocks etc much better than the while /orange light from a old style bulb

[101 Ron]

I have never owned HID lights and suspect they would throw further than halgen/LED.
I suspect unless I am barrelling down a outback road at over 100 kph, the 300 mtr throw of the LEDs is more than enough for the bush drivng I do round the east coast and will still give me time to react to roos on the side of the road.......they are no worse in throw than what I am using in old tech 100w lights.
the light throw specs are on the link above.

[Dopey]

I've been looking at these lights at jaycar too, interested in them both for the Defender's and for fitting to a motorbike (Ducati Multistrada).

Also Re; AnD3rew's post, (Hella Rallye ff4000 compact HID's), one of the forum members posted on here a little while ago a comparo that was done on driving lights by 4wdAction magazine, I seem to recall that there was some issues with the Hella lights, but also recall that they were given best HID spread beam in the HID class.
Best overall for HID was the lightforce 240 XGT HID.
However the new FYRLYT thingy's were not in the article at all (I do not know wether they were released at the time of the article).

Anyways, back to the Jaycar lights, I'll probably try a pair of the spread beams on the motorbike and if they don't fit/work properly on it, I'll then put them on one of the Defenders.
Mike.

[lewy]

how do the led's compare with the hid's for reflection back from signs.and guideposts reflector's etc.I find the hid's [cheap chinese] excellent for distance but hard on the old eyes due to the reflection back on long runs [and i never go over 100 km\hr up here of a night]

[BMKal]

I have a good quality LED bar (Baja Designs 40") mounted under my roofrack, and a pair of 65 watt pencil beam HID XRay Vision spotlights mounted on the bulbar.

For light spread and lighting up out to the sides of the road, there is no comparison. The LED light bar is in a league of its own.

Yes - the HID's do give longer range, but at nowhere near the light intensity of the LED light bar. Looking at the photos in Ron's attachment, I would estimate that I do not get the range out of my light bar that Ron might be achieving with the Jaycar lights (better / different reflector shape ???).

Reflection of light from signs / roadside reflectors etc is about the same from LED as from HID - both are a white light and reflect much more than conventional halogen yellow light.

[101 Ron]

When I get a pair and fit them I will let you blokes know.
Should happen within 2 weeks.

[Bushie]

I've found that reflections back off road signs don't seem to be as bad as with normal driving lights, don't know why that would be, but my impression, maybe different light colour relects differently (NFI).

As an aside saw a set of LED driving lights (spot) over the weekend and was most impressed.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/762.jpg
they were a set from one of the chain parts places (autopro etc) and around the $200 mark, available on ebay cheaper but he needed them within a couple of days.

LED - YouTube
Led lightbar

Martyn

[101RRS]

Not quite the performance as the Jaycar ones but about a quarter of the price. They also come in flood.

2pcs Round 27W LED Work Spot Pencil Offroads Lamp Light Truck 12V 24V 4WD 4x4 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2PCS-ROUND-27W-LED-WORK-SPOT-PENCIL-OFFROADS-LAMP-LIGHT-TRUCK-12V-24V-4WD-4x4-/110998142595?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19d8013e83)

[rick130]

I don't know , they are the old style big reflector 100w.( I happen to have a set in the garage)
I was really comparing old tech 100w halgen beam spotties to the new LED for power, spread ,ect.



Thanks Ron, I asked as it gives me an idea too, we have Super Oscars on the Patrol and they are 220mm OD (body)
I've used them on various cars since the eighties as back then they were the standard for lighting and are still impressive.

[Vern]

Would be interesting to compare the jaycars to the arb's, the price is much better:) led lights are just getting better and better

[101 Ron]

I currently have one spot and one flood fitted.
I am unable to fit another spot LED light as Jaycar have sold out for a few months until they get more stock.
I am camping away down at Bendeathra next weekend.
I will try out what I have fitted.

[101 Ron]

I found another two LED lights so I now have my set of two spot and two flood.
Impressive is the word to describe the performance.
I cannot wait for the weekend to test them in the real world.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/1463.jpg (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/101Ron/media/101%20Ron%202/003_zps231e0664.jpg.html)

I was at the local 4WD club meeting the other night and they are saying in NSW 4bys are now being pulled over and suspension/wheels etc are being checked.
The other thing people are getting pinged on is light bars.
They suppost to be not legal ????????.
Two driving lights OK, but no more unless they are fog lights.
Two of my LED lights may have to go ???????

[101 Ron]

Each LED spot light has 7 LEDS.
That makes 28 LEDs.
I noticed the light bars have similar numbers of LEDs in total.
With the four lights I can turn the lights exactly where I want them and control the reach and spread.........I am guessing you cannot do that with a light bar ?????
The other thing is grouping the LEDs in a round circle on the spot beams I am guessing again ,is giving a better light reach than a light bar.

[loanrangie]

Damn this thread, i have been procrastinating about putting a pair of IPF's i have in the shed on and now i want LED's !

[superquag]

I found another two LED lights so I now have my set of two spot and two flood.
Impressive is the word to describe the performance.
I cannot wait for the weekend to test them in the real world.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/1463.jpg (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/101Ron/media/101%20Ron%202/003_zps231e0664.jpg.html)

I was at the local 4WD club meeting the other night and they are saying in NSW 4bys are now being pulled over and suspension/wheels etc are being checked.

The other thing people are getting pinged on is light bars.
They suppost to be not legal ????????.Two driving lights OK, but no more unless they are fog lights.

Two of my LED lights may have to go ???????

Yep, if your NSW regs are the same as WA.
The LED lightbar is deemed to be ONE lamp/luminaire/light producing thingy.

Current law is for a TWO light producing thingies, mounted equidistant from the vehicle centre-line and not above the the headlamps.

- Gotta look symmetrical, like the headlights. (Used to be permitted ONE spotty mounted CENTRAL....Not now.)

Solution would be TWO light bars....
Or, only a suggestion, take out the middle LEDs, so that it appears to be TWO light-producing thingies, mounted in the ONE housing.

Don't start me on "Fog Lights".......:twisted::twisted::twisted:

[Discomark]

I've been looking at these lights at jaycar too, interested in them both for the Defender's and for fitting to a motorbike (Ducati Multistrada).
If you want something smaller for the bike then check these out Motorcycle LED Lighting 3500LM 12V Cree X2 ****le MY Ride Advrider Tiger 1050 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-LED-Lighting-3500LM-12V-Cree-x2-****le-My-Ride-Advrider-Tiger-1050-/181208687455?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a30e1235f&_uhb=1)

They have been getting very good reviews on the adventure touring motorcycle forums. Apparently the 1600 lumen are more than enough even for daytime use. The 3500 need a dimmer for sure.
Cheers
Mark

[Discomark]

- Gotta look symmetrical, like the headlights. (Used to be permitted ONE spotty mounted CENTRAL....Not now.)



They recently changed the rules in QLD so hopefully will flow on to other States.

4 Application
This guideline applies to any vehicle manufactured to comply with ADR13/00 and is fitted with an uneven number of lamps that are used as a driving lights.
5 Operational
a. A vehicle described in 4 may be fitted with an uneven number of driving lamps, provided the lamps are fitted symmetrically about the centre of the vehicle.
b. All other requirements of both ADR13/00 and the regulation relating to these lamps must be complied with.
6 Vehicles manufactured prior to ADR13/00
While no regulatory exemption is required, to ensure the requirements for vehicles manufactured prior to the commencement of ADR13/00 that are fitted with uneven number of driving lamps are clear, the requirement of 5(a) above also applies.
Signed in BRISBANE this 29th day of April 2013.
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Vehicle%20standards%20and%20modifications/Vehicle%20standards/Vehicle%20standards%20instructions/drivinglampsvehiclesguidelinemay13.pdf
To ensure national consistency, Transport and Main Roads raised this issue with the Australian Motor Vehicle Certification Board, who have endorsed a change to the ADR to allow an odd number of driving lamps to be fitted to vehicles.

[joel0407]

If you want something smaller for the bike then check these out Motorcycle LED Lighting 3500LM 12V Cree X2 ****le MY Ride Advrider Tiger 1050 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-LED-Lighting-3500LM-12V-Cree-x2-****le-My-Ride-Advrider-Tiger-1050-/181208687455?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a30e1235f&_uhb=1)

They have been getting very good reviews on the adventure touring motorcycle forums. Apparently the 1600 lumen are more than enough even for daytime use. The 3500 need a dimmer for sure.
Cheers
Mark

Over $200?

Wow. you can get the same light for under $75 with free postage. I ran one on my Postie. Pretty good. No complaints.

But I fried it. It was a short in my Postie, not the light.

[Discomark]

Over $200?

Wow. you can get the same light for under $75 with free postage. I ran one on my Postie. Pretty good. No complaints.

But I fried it. It was a short in my Postie, not the light.

I doubt you will find 2 x 3500lm lights running CREE XML U2 T6 for $75. I'd be very interested though if you can and you wouldn't mind sharing the details (link etc) ?

Cheers

Mark

[joel0407]

I doubt you will find 2 x 3500lm lights running CREE XML U2 T6 for $75. I'd be very interested though if you can and you wouldn't mind sharing the details (link etc) ?

Cheers

Mark

$75 was each. I'll find the link.

Happy Days.

[joel0407]

I doubt you will find 2 x 3500lm lights running CREE XML U2 T6 for $75. I'd be very interested though if you can and you wouldn't mind sharing the details (link etc) ?

Cheers

Mark

Here's one. They went up $10.

30W 12V 3000LM Cree T6 LED Driving FOG Light Lamp Rally Ranger 4x4 Dirt ATV | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251083550207'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)

Happy Days.

[101 Ron]

I done my trip away.
The LEDs I have purchased I am happy with.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/1350.jpg (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/101Ron/media/IMG_0614_zps256638b3.jpg.html)
I should have used four pencil beams instead of Two pencil and Two spread beams as it would have been more effective.
The spread beams are wasted unless you are doing rock hopping at night.
For what I do sitting on 100 kph the pencil LEDs are the best spot lights I ever had.
If in roo country on the open plains then HIDs would serve you better.
The quality of the light is the key to the LEDs , just making my H4 120w high beams look yellow and ineffective.
I will get another two pencil beams and fit them.( I will use the spread beam lights as a campsite light.)
Being able to aim the separate lights where you want them has to be a advantage over a light bar.
Slightly more reflection from road signs close up, but better pick up of road side post reflectors at long distances.

[BMKal]

They look the part on your 101 too Ron. ;)