td6 in defender

[rangietragic]

Has anyone heard of a td6 from a l322 rangie transplanted into a defender?I think it would be an unreal conversion.Smooth,heaps of power and almost no turbo lag.:)My chipped td5 disco is a slug compared to the rangie,but it is also a slug compared to my chipped defender.

[justinc]

Has anyone heard of a td6 from a l322 rangie transplanted into a defender?I think it would be an unreal conversion.Smooth,heaps of power and almost no turbo lag.:)My chipped td5 disco is a slug compared to the rangie,but it is also a slug compared to my chipped defender.

Agree this would be a great upgrade, but would HAVE to be attached to a 4HP24E instead of that rubbish 5L40 trans in the L322....

Those BMW engines are just unbreakable and easily upgraded to big Nm numbers:cool::twisted:


JC

[Rok_Dr]

I seem to remember that the South Africans at some stage had 6 cyl BMW diesels in their defenders. May have been pre Td5 though...

Cheers

Steve

[justinc]

I seem to remember that the South Africans at some stage had 6 cyl BMW diesels in their defenders. May have been pre Td5 though...

Cheers

Steve

i thought they were petrol engines in SA?


jc

[debruiser]

I'm sure I read a magazine that said that a company in europe stuck the 3.2L "ranger" engine in a 110 or was that a 90... lowered it and did some fancy performance stuff with it apparently it went pretty hard....

[Rok_Dr]

i thought they were petrol engines in SA?


jc

Indeed I think you are right..... 2.8l six was it?

Blame a red addled memory on a Friday night :D:D

Cheers

Steve

[Sitec]

LRO March Issue 3 has one in a Range Rover Classic.. It's not a huge article, but the story paints it as a hard conversion to do... Chassis rails in way of turbos etc etc. Once in they said that the power was "comparable to a 3.9 EFI but with better economy". It'd be a lot of work but fun!

[Drover]

I'm sure I read a magazine that said that a company in europe stuck the 3.2L "ranger" engine in a 110 or was that a 90... lowered it and did some fancy performance stuff with it apparently it went pretty hard....

Yep, Pete Bell from Bell Auto Services (BAS).

I think the conversion kit is selling for about £20,000. That's everything you need (engine, up grade to gear box)

A lot of coin, but a 3.2l Defender.....giddy up.

[pannawonica]

Pete Bell put a V8 diesel into a Defender! however I still think the best conversion would be the 3.2 Puma. I base this on the fact I have just driven the Ranger 3.2 auto a good combination. He also gets power and torque valves above the Toyota 4.5. With the 5 cylinder like the TD5 you get overlapping power strokes much better than a 4 . His conversion looks factory! but it comes in at a price.:(

[Judo]

Has anyone heard of a td6 from a l322 rangie transplanted into a defender?I think it would be an unreal conversion.Smooth,heaps of power and almost no turbo lag.:)My chipped td5 disco is a slug compared to the rangie,but it is also a slug compared to my chipped defender.
Out of curiosity, what kind of Power and Torque figures does this engine put out?

[Bush65]

Pete Bell put a V8 diesel into a Defender! however I still think the best conversion would be the 3.2 Puma. I base this on the fact I have just driven the Ranger 3.2 auto a good combination. He also gets power and torque valves above the Toyota 4.5. With the 5 cylinder like the TD5 you get overlapping power strokes much better than a 4 . His conversion looks factory! but it comes in at a price.:(
I agree with you on the Mazda/Ranger engine. Common here, whereas BMW not so common here.

In Europe the BMW donk is more common.


Have you considered a BMW diesel?? The 2.5 straight 6 diesel will bolt up to a R380 gear box from a P38 range rover. If you fancy more power go for the 3.0 straight 6 (M57 engine code). Good for 284 hp and 500 Nm at 2000 rpm.... They are common engines in the uk in BMW x5, 330 , 530 cars. Ecu on earlier engines will run standalone. It cost a whole £135 to stop the ecu from looking for the BMW key for my unit.... Fully dressed engine is 210 - 220 kg.

I don't know of Pete Bell conversions with the BMW. I can't remember who exactly, but I think it is Jeremy Fearn who is considered the person to see for this conversion in the UK.

Pic from Jeremy J Fearn Intercoolers, motor engineers and 4X4 specialists (http://www.jeremyjfearn.co.uk)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/438.jpg

[33chinacars]

Pic from Jeremy J Fearn Intercoolers, motor engineers and 4X4 specialists (http://www.jeremyjfearn.co.uk)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/438.jpg

That kit for the TD6 from Jeremy Fearn is no long available . For the L322 at least. The 5L40E trans couldn't handle the power. We exchanged emails on this subject some time ago as I have a L322 TD6. He may do something if the TD6 was transplanted into something else with a different trans . Could always ask.

Gary

[Bush65]

That kit for the TD6 from Jeremy Fearn is no long available . For the L322 at least. The 5L40E trans couldn't handle the power. We exchanged emails on this subject some time ago as I have a L322 TD6. He may do something if the TD6 was transplanted into something else with a different trans . Could always ask.

Gary
It is current on his site, but probably as you say, for conversions with a different trans.

However I posted it as much for showing stock torque/power for Judo's question in the previous post.

[Judo]

Thanks John.

The figures look good, but for my budget, I think I'll stick to my 4BD1T. ;)

TD6 would be nice though! I encourage other to do it and post pics for me. :p

[DasLandRoverMan]

LRO March Issue 3 has one in a Range Rover Classic.. It's not a huge article, but the story paints it as a hard conversion to do... Chassis rails in way of turbos etc etc. Once in they said that the power was "comparable to a 3.9 EFI but with better economy". It'd be a lot of work but fun!

Wasn't that a TDV6?
Still, according to Simtek (the company that does the ECU conversion) it'll do 40mpg on an auto in a P38, that's pretty smart.

There's a few P38's got the 3 litre in em, apparently it's a bolt in conversion for the most part, not sure what people have done to make them work though, I doubt the P38 ECU would run the L322 3 litre though?

BMW Defenders were produced CKD in SA from the start of the Td5 era to around 02/03, maybe longer.
From what I know of them they used the same bellhousing as diesel manual P38's with a V8 spec chassis (in terms of engine mounts etc) whilst the block mountings were flat plates bolted to the side with brackets to mount the rubbers on.

So, in theory doable without needing custom parts, just the electronics o take care of.
I have a mate who used to have an SA 90 with the 2.8, which he says was an absolute road burner, it would take off like a scalded cat from standstill and pull all the way up to the 7000rpm redline, with aerodynamics halting rapid progress around 90mph.

I suspect a suitably tuned diesel would be pretty good.

[33chinacars]

It is current on his site, but probably as you say, for conversions with a different trans.

However I posted it as much for showing stock torque/power for Judo's question in the previous post.

Hasn't been change since I talked with him over 2 years ago when he said it was no longer available.

Gary

[noogie]

Let's hope they get it right with the new defender.
I'm happy with my td5.
I can't see why you'd go to such expense when you can achieve respectable and some times incredible increases in torque thru just chipping exhaust and intercooler upgrades.

A twin turbo td6 would be very sweet though.

[pannawonica]

There has been several attempts fit the 3.0 v6 diesel into the Defender, however there has only one person to actually make the engine run properly and have a normal lifespan. The actual problem is not the wiring harness or the fitting, but the programming. Bell Auto Services Northyorkshire would be able to advise, by the way I have no connection.:D

[Naks]

Indeed I think you are right..... 2.8l six was it?



Yep, it was the 2.8i from the 328 and 528 BMW models. ;)

Still one of the most reliable Defenders in SA, very sought-after in the second hand market.

[Loubrey]

In Land Rover World magazine they ran an article a couple years ago about fitting a Disco 3 TDV6 into a 110.

It did however look like too much work to make it economically viable...

Cheers,

Lou

[DasLandRoverMan]

Reviving an old thread (it came up as a google result whilst I was searching for something else and I had a read) but I suspect this link may well be of interest to the original poster.

M57 into 110 CSW - Modified Vehicle Builds & Special Projects - LR4x4 - The Land Rover Forum (http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php'showtopic=85735)

It's a fairly full writeup on fitting an M57 into a 110 CSW with a manual box.
All the parts used are off the shelf (as in Original Equipment) items from either BMW or Land Rover vehicles, with only the engine wiring loom being a custom job, and it is available to order from 'RallyRaid UK'.

Very encouraging reading, and I suspect even if you had to ship some parts out to Aus you'd still weigh in a lot less than the ?20k quoted for a TDV6 conversion for what appears to be a much better (and larger capacity) engine.

A bolt in auto option is also possible using the 4HP22 or 24 and bellhousing etc from a diesel auto P38.

[loanrangie]

I had been following that thread, its a pity that saloon diesel engines were not popular in Aus untill the last 5 years or so.
I think it would only be the X5 as a local source for the M57 engine.

[jimr1]

One of the UK Land Rover mags , covered an article about putting a 2.7 v6 in a Defender a few years back . One feller was determined to give It a go , he got It in . There were some pictures as well . It was shoe horned in , just not practical in a Defender engine bay , He did a good job , also said It went very well . It was very tight in there !!.. Jim

[Pickles2]

Yes, some of those diesels with all of their "ancilliaries/hang ons" are pretty wide aren't they,...which is why it amazes me that the LS3 6.2 V8 seems to be able to fit, as there are a few of them about in the U.K?
Pickles.

[loanrangie]

The Sth African BMW 6cyl looks to be the ideal swap but with the M57 diesel instead, they are no wider than a TDI.

[DasLandRoverMan]

The M57 detailed is fantastically neat.
Even little detail like the air filter housing being an integral part of the engine as opposed to attatched via a hose.

Getting a decent air filter under the bonnet of a Defender with a larger engine and making it look decent is challenging at best.

I also like that you could add the plastic tip cover from a Td6 L322 to make it look even more like it grew there.
Done right I reckon (even if you had to source everything from the UK and ship it out there) you could be running an M57 for less than ?5k Stirling.
I believe doable for less than ?2.5k here depending on the options you go for.

[PAT303]

The air filter lies along the side of the engine,it looks like a second inlet manifold,the ECU box is huge though,it would fill the seat box in a defender,the motor is very easy to work on,very easy to service,very cheap on parts,even injectors are cheap and smooth as silk when running. Pat

[Disco Muppet]

Damn that's tempting...

[gavinwibrow]

May not help, but there were also posts of the TDV6 being professionally inserted into a D2 - again, not cheap.