LLAMS on 2013 D4?

[Graeme]

Can anyone confirm that Llams works on a 2013 D4? A person in South Africa gets faults immediately but I've had feedback from the USA that it does, so a local confirmation would be helpful.
TIA

[the_amors]

Interested too

[Graeme]

Yes it does work.

I should have had a better look through my records as a kit is fitted to a 2013 D4 in Slovakia and confirmed working. I expect the SA problem will be resolved by fitting a cable tie around the 2 joined connectors that tend to get strained causing them to separate a little at one end.

Edit: I had already confirmed no wiring changes since MY10 with MY10 changes already accomodated in the original wiring harnesses due to early D3/RRS variations. I regret not having earlier gutted a suspension ecu for its connector to prove the loss of contact was at another connector that is easy to prevent.

[bob2s]

Being new to forum and owning a 2013 D4 I would just like to know what LLAMS stands for,just trying to get to know the Disco better.

[Graeme]

LLAMS doesn't stand for anything itself but is the name under which I make and sell an electronic height controller/adjuster kit that allows various height adjustments via a switch, primarily to provide off-road height whilst the suspenison ecu thinks the vehicle is at normal height to overcome the 50 kph speed limited off-road height mode although it also has other benefits. The same kit fits all D3/D4/RRS vehicles and L322 RR Vogues fitted with Terrain Response.

Edit: I might have to buy a 7 GBP Topix 24 hr subscription to see if the new TR v2 system uses the same wiring.

[sniegy]

Little Lift At Mediocre Speed?!

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[Graeme]

Legal (50mm?) Lift At Most Speeds (drops 20mm at 160) ...

[Mac_and_Cheese]

Lift and Lower Air Management System?

[IceFyre]

I have one fitted to My 2013 D4 without any problems at all.

[Celtoid]

Can anyone confirm that Llams works on a 2013 D4? A person in South Africa gets faults immediately but I've had feedback from the USA that it does, so a local confirmation would be helpful.
TIA

Hi Graeme,

I have a November build 2013 D4 and have LLAMS fitted for probably a couple of years. There was a slightly older 2013 getting done at the same time and he had no issues until he sold his car.

I've had no issues up until a few weeks ago .... but that was after an expectedly deep swim in a creek at Moreton Island. I don't get the connection and may be coincidence as the LLAMS unit is inside the car and nothing got wet but it happened about 10 mins after the swim. Started with a Suspension Fault and then every error under the sun after that.

I managed to replicate it several times but it went away each time I switched the LLAMS off and reset the car. No faults with the LLAMS off. I just haven't had time to look at it again......crazy time of year.

Edit:- LOL ...... Just looked at the date of the original post ..... just a wee bit late with my feedback ;-0

Cheers,

Kev.

[Graeme]

Thanks Kev and yes time has moved on a little and the kit is well proven to work on the last of the D4s. It also works on the D5 with a different wiring loom although still an outstanding task regarding the wiring before they will be generally available.

There might be a height sensor with a bad connection causing your problems.

[southseas]

Hi all, just wondering what the benefit is in LLAMS over just reprogramming ride heights? is it the option to adjust ride heights on the fly etc??

[loanrangie]

Hi all, just wondering what the benefit is in LLAMS over just reprogramming ride heights? is it the option to adjust ride heights on the fly etc??
Correct, operation on the fly and over riding factory programming.

[Celtoid]

Hi all, just wondering what the benefit is in LLAMS over just reprogramming ride heights? is it the option to adjust ride heights on the fly etc??

Basically gives you every height option upwards that the car can do at the flick of a switch verses having to get bogged before the car 'allows' extended height. It also allows you to drive at off-road height without the gong going off above 40kph and the car lowering to road height at 55kph.

You can also lower the car further than the LR selectable access height.

Pretty useful bit of kit.

[Celtoid]

Thanks Kev and yes time has moved on a little and the kit is well proven to work on the last of the D4s. It also works on the D5 with a different wiring loom although still an outstanding task regarding the wiring before they will be generally available.

There might be a height sensor with a bad connection causing your problems.

Thanks Graeme,

Wouldn't the faulty height sensor generate faults regardless of whether the LLAMS is on or off?

Cheers,

Kev.

[Graeme]

The Llams module always intercepts the height sensor signals even when off, just that no adjustments are made when off. However Llams adjustments use the auto-levelling feature so using Llams to change heights might be triggering the faults without Llams being faulty itself.

A list of fault codes and which systems fault first would help with diagnosis.

[Celtoid]

The Llams module always intercepts the height sensor signals even when off, just that no adjustments are made when off. However Llams adjustments use the auto-levelling feature so using Llams to change heights might be triggering the faults without Llams being faulty itself.

A list of fault codes and which systems fault first would help with diagnosis.

OK, thanks Graeme. I shall get the car checked out. I don't have a diagnostic tool, so I shall need to approach a professional.

Regs,

Kev.

[Biggogs69]

Is the Llams an easy DIY fit, how long does an install usually take?

[Graeme]

I suggest that 2 hours should be allowed for fitting even though less than 1 hour is possible. The last one that I fitted took over an hour but with lots of chit-chat.

[LRD414]

Took me longer to figure out how to remove the steering column trim to drill a hole in it for the Llams dial than to do the whole install. There’s a hidden third screw down under the adjuster lever.

Scott