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DiscoMick
26th August 2013, 07:55 AM
Science has shown that chopping wood produces more testosterone than playing sport. So, I'm gonna get a wood stove for next winter, just like we had when I was a kid, and start a woodpile. Yeah!




News in Science (http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/'site=science)

Chopping boosts testosterone more than sport

Thursday, 22 August 2013 Rachel Sullivan
ABC
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/261.jpg (http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201308/r1162200_14671807.jpg)Larger spikes in testosterone enhance muscle performance, and increase men's ability to chop trees (Source: Benjamin C Trumble)


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Manly boost Chopping wood to clear land and feed the family produces more testosterone in men than competitive activities like sport, a new study has found.
The discovery is changing scientists' understanding of testosterone's role in the human body - and it isn't all about competition and aggression.
Dr Ben Trumble from the Institute of Social, Behavioural and Economic Research at the University of California, Santa Barbara (httop://www.ucsb.edu/) and colleagues studied a group of Tsimane forager-farmers in the Bolivian Amazon.
Their saliva was sampled after playing soccer, and after chopping down trees while clearing jungle to grow crops.
The study, which was published in Evolution and Human Behaviour (http://dx.doi.org/10/1016/j.evolhumbehav.2013.06.002), found that one hour of tree chopping resulted in a 48 per cent increase in salivary testosterone levels in all men, regardless of age or state of health. By contrast levels increased by only 30.1 per cent during a soccer game.
Trade-off for survival

Trumble says that in males there is a trade-off between survival and reproduction.
"Previous studies showed that in men, testosterone drops very rapidly when men fast, or get sick," he says. "There are only so many calories available for the body to use as energy, and so we face a trade-off between investing in survival-related tasks like immune function, or in less critical functions like [maintaining or growing] muscle mass."
"Muscle mass is expensive to maintain; it takes about 20 per cent of the male resting energy budget just to maintain muscle mass, and even more to grow additional muscle."
However, acute increases in testosterone enhance muscle performance, he adds.
"This can be advantageous for men who are using their muscles for sports competition, but also for men who are using their muscles for food production.
"Larger spikes in testosterone enhance muscle performance, and increase men's ability to chop trees, resulting in more food production."
Beyond the battlefield

Trumble says that testosterone research in humans has often focused on male-male competition, but in fact testosterone is a vital metabolic hormone that plays a number of roles in the body.
"By focusing so much on the role of testosterone in aggression and competition, we have missed out on the importance of testosterone in a variety of other tasks," he explains.
"In animals like birds, where males compete to control a territory, and then mate with all of the female birds in that territory, links between testosterone and aggressive competition make perfect sense."
"In humans, men tend to compete for the attention of women via economic productivity as opposed to fighting other men in the street, so examining changes in testosterone during food production is important."
"Never in human history have we lived in an environment where we have such an abundance of food, and where we so rarely face illness; this is very different than the hunter-gatherer lifestyle experienced by our ancestors."
The lifestyle of subsistence populations like the Tsimane is more representative of the conditions throughout human evolution than our own current living situation, he says.
People have to hunt, fish, or grow all of their food, and the environment contains higher levels of parasites and pathogens, and their bodies have to trade-off between investing in immune function or growing muscle mass.
Trumble says, "By examining how the environment affects hormone-behaviour interactions in populations like the Tsimane, we can get a better idea of how these systems were calibrated in environments that are more relevant to our species history."
He says the research has one final interesting insight.
"Tsimane men, who have a far more active life, have lower levels of testosterone when compared to age-matched US men, but also appear to have less of a decline in testosterone with age.
"Even late in life, these men can express the same spikes in testosterone as younger men."

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goingbush
26th August 2013, 08:08 AM
check the guy in the photos safety boots :eek:

Yes I remember having to chop the wood all thru my younger years. Both for the hot water system, kitchen stove and Lounge room heater,

But never played a days sport in my life, (nor gone to the gym) .

what a bunch of namby pambys we have become.

olbod
26th August 2013, 08:18 AM
Used an axe all me life and I would never leave home without me trusty Plumb in the back of Me Disco.

87County
26th August 2013, 08:58 AM
Science has shown that chopping wood produces more testosterone than playing sport. So, I'm gonna get a wood stove for next winter, just like we had when I was a kid, and start a woodpile. Yeah!


Never gets cold enough for a wood heater in Brisbane does it ?

DiscoMick
26th August 2013, 09:04 AM
I'll have you know we have at least three days of mildly cold weather a year, maybe four in a bad year. Besides, this is about testosterone, not warmth!:D

sheerluck
26th August 2013, 09:24 AM
Never gets cold enough for a wood heater in Brisbane does it ?

I live about 60kms south of Brisbane CBD and we have about 6 weeks a year where it's down to single digits in the evening or first thing in the morning. A wood burner is a must!

Eevo
26th August 2013, 09:50 AM
i think the study is flawed.


The study, which was published in Evolution and Human Behaviour, found that one hour of tree chopping resulted in a 48 per cent increase in salivary testosterone levels in all men, regardless of age or state of health. By contrast levels increased by only 30.1 per cent during a soccer game.

soccer is a game for females. no wonder testosterone levels didnt increase by much.

JamesB71
26th August 2013, 10:11 AM
I heated my home for 11 years just with the slow combustion heater. (In Katoomba - it snows here)

I would cut wood one weekend a month for the cold months. I loved those weekends. Just me and the dog, an axe, block splitter, and chain saw. Small fire for the billy. I miss those days.

Two years ago my Mrs finally talked me into gas getting central heating. Six months later she took off....... Ive still got the heating though. :D

Beckford
26th August 2013, 11:15 AM
Firewood warms you 3 times.

1. When you cut it.
2. When you chop it.
3. When you burn it.

I spent yesterday afternoon chopping wood. I am a bit sore today, but I can feel the increase in testosterone :)

JamesB71
26th August 2013, 11:17 AM
Amen to that.

Blknight.aus
26th August 2013, 11:19 AM
http://m.youtube.com/results?q=i'm%20a%20lumberjack%20and%20i'm%20ok%20&oq=im%20a%20lumb&gs_l=youtube-reduced.1.1.0i10l4.691.8326.0.10199.9.9.0.0.0.0.59 6.3351.2-1j7j0j1.9.0....0...1ac.1.23.youtube-reduced..0.9.3347.IMl_y9-2xrg

Via the modern day equivalent to smoke signals fromsome place other than the cave where my hat hangs.

Tank
26th August 2013, 12:12 PM
Testosterone is the hormone that feeds Prostate Cancer, real good Idea that, increasing testosterone, Regards Frank.

JamesB71
26th August 2013, 12:24 PM
Better get some oestrogen and a bra then.

DiscoMick
26th August 2013, 12:40 PM
Most men in their 60s and over have prostate cancer, it's just that it's usually not fatal.

rb30gtr
26th August 2013, 12:53 PM
This escalated quickly! hahahaha

I spent my childhood cutting wood for the house and shed fires. That's one thing I don't miss living in the big smoke now.

JamesB71
26th August 2013, 02:28 PM
Ill have it on my tombstone. Died from over masculinity due to excessive wood chopping.

It's all lol from my end. :-D

DiscoMick
26th August 2013, 02:48 PM
My family cleared a chunk of the original forest behind Coffs, so I come from a long line of tree-choppers. Reminds me of Monty Python's 'I'm a Lumberjack' song. :D

sheerluck
26th August 2013, 03:26 PM
My family cleared a chunk of the original forest behind Coffs, so I come from a long line of tree-choppers. Reminds me of Monty Python's 'I'm a Lumberjack' song. :D

So there is a reason why you wear high heels, suspenders and a bra?!

rijidij
26th August 2013, 06:42 PM
I've always loved chopping wood, but you get over it when you use a lot, so I built this..............love using it just as much :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8UeyhKuz3A&list=TLav7X6-cfYak

Saitch
26th August 2013, 06:58 PM
"Say No More"................... said in a deep voice.

DiscoMick
26th August 2013, 07:02 PM
Ooohh dearie, you are awful, but ah like you!

Disco Muppet
26th August 2013, 07:23 PM
So there is a reason why you wear high heels, suspenders and a bra?!

See sheerluck, I told you it wasn't just you! :p

sheerluck
26th August 2013, 07:30 PM
See sheerluck, I told you it wasn't just you! :p

Yes, but at least I manage to co-ordinate my lipstick and lingerie colours. DiscoMick needs some more lessons in that yet.:p

Disco Muppet
26th August 2013, 07:36 PM
Yes, but at least I manage to co-ordinate my lipstick and lingerie colours. DiscoMick needs some more lessons in that yet.:p

I don't wish to know that :p

Vern
26th August 2013, 09:12 PM
I already have way to much testosterone, that's why my wife does all the wood cutting/splitting around here:D

DiscoMick
29th August 2013, 03:03 PM
Originally Posted by sheerluck https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/180788-real-men-chop-wood-3.html#post1976202)
Yes, but at least I manage to co-ordinate my lipstick and lingerie colours. DiscoMick needs some more lessons in that yet.:p

You're right - I know Nothing!

Disco Muppet
21st September 2013, 05:51 PM
How does one overload ones manliness?
One takes a Land Rover to go chop wood.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/645.jpg (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/DiscoMuppet/media/Woodchop_zps6c0ce27f.jpg.html)

:cool:

Homestar
21st September 2013, 06:48 PM
Have a bit of wood to split? Get yourselves one of these...:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-AB1iJqzyY

Chops
21st September 2013, 07:26 PM
Have a bit of wood to split? Get yourselves one of these...:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-AB1iJqzyY

Nice piece of machinery, but I'd like to see that work with dry timber,,, :eek:

Blknight.aus
21st September 2013, 07:27 PM
of course a real man would have taken a series....


of course a real mans man... would have a steam powered 4x4 that he would have to cut would to use to fire it up so he could go to cut some wood.

Disco Muppet
21st September 2013, 08:28 PM
of course a real man would have taken a series....


of course a real mans man... would have a steam powered 4x4 that he would have to cut would to use to fire it up so he could go to cut some wood.

It's a Disco or a Nissan around here Dave, I picked the best option at hand.

Blknight.aus
21st September 2013, 08:31 PM
should have walked...

Disco Muppet
21st September 2013, 08:36 PM
Alas, I'm not that manly.

101RRS
21st September 2013, 08:36 PM
Testosterone is the hormone that feeds Prostate Cancer, real good Idea that, increasing testosterone, Regards Frank.

For the vane, it also makes you go bald :o on top but grow hair everywhere else.

Homestar
21st September 2013, 09:09 PM
Nice piece of machinery, but I'd like to see that work with dry timber,,, :eek:

Yeah, thought the same myself - what happens if you swap the green pine for a nice bit of dry knotty red gum.... Think it would stop pretty quick....:D

Hall
21st September 2013, 09:10 PM
Well I cut a tree down today mostly by hand saw and I`m not feeling any more testosterone than usual, just old and sore :( Gave a ankle a bit of grief when I slipped over on a greasy slope. Still there is hope for some testosterone tomorrow as I will be chopping up the fallen tree. That is if the ankle hold up ok.
Cheers Hall

Boxhead63
22nd September 2013, 09:30 AM
Science has shown that chopping wood produces more testosterone than playing sport. So, I'm gonna get a wood stove for next winter, just like we had when I was a kid, and start a woodpile. Yeah!

I used to fell trees and cut them up for firewood as a teenager on my uncles property in Southern NSW. This study is a wonderful explanation or reason for why I was always getting into fights. I used to love fighting! But more so why i was a constant walking erection.:D Ahhhhh if only my parents knew this back then.

Cheers
Rob