riddle me this 130 sals

[85 county]

the problem side

[Vern]

And?

[85 county]

the good side

[LowRanger]

I would suggest raised suspension and/or larger diameter tyres,which allow the tyres to hit the rear spring perches.Nothing unusual;)

[85 county]

And?

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[85 county]

I would suggest raised suspension and/or larger diameter tyres,which allow the tyres to hit the rear spring perches.Nothing unusual;)

rubber and rims, hight is STD for a 130.

the point is the difrence between the left and right, the right rubs the left has plenty of room

[Vern]

Spring perches 10mm different? Help me out:D

[Vern]

How does the diff track with the chassis? All in line?

[85 county]

Spring perches 10mm different? Help me out:D

look at the difrence between the disk and spring. im thinking difrent stubbs. this 130 is very noticable looking from the rear one wheel in the tub and one sticking out a bit. way more than normal LR +-mm. im thinking stubs. are there difrent length stubbs in the LR family??

[85 county]

diff track fine, A arm and ball all good.

[Vern]

You can get wide bearing and narrow bearing stubbs and spindles. Remove the caliper and stub to check.

[85 county]

You can get wide bearing and narrow bearing stubbs and spindles. Remove the caliper and stub to check.

is not the inner bearing on eather hub in the same place?

[steveG]

From memory the narrow spacing one has an extended raised area that puts the inner bearing outboard a bit. I may have posted up a photo in the the County disc brake conversion thread a couple of months back.

Steve

[steveG]

Here's a piccy:

Defender stub on the left, early County on the right.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/1671.jpg

If you've got different stubs the caliper or disc may have been messed around with to make everything work too.

Edit: Just noticed the drive flanges seem to be different on each side, which would go along with different hubs/stubs etc.

Steve

[LowRanger]

Worn rear "A" arm bushes?
Are the rims the same part numbers?As 130 rims are different to 110 rims!!

[LowRanger]

Providing the pictures show measurements from the same point on both sides,then the mounting flange for the wheel is at approx. 167mm on both sides from the inner reference point,so therefore the only variable can be the rims,or the inner reference point;)

[justinc]

pretty much not unusual:(.

have a few like that where human error chassis jigging/ welding comes into play.

measure the centre line of the ball joint, i have seen this before and it does seem that some leave the factory with poor alignment, destined to wear tyres unevenly and track poorly. lift or no lift the rear end won't suffer unless the ball joint alignment ie upper a frame bracketry is jigged correctly.

jc

[85 county]

Here's a piccy:

Defender stub on the left, early County on the right.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/1671.jpg

If you've got different stubs the caliper or disc may have been messed around with to make everything work too.

Edit: Just noticed the drive flanges seem to be different on each side, which would go along with different hubs/stubs etc.

Steve

thank for the picks. i have only mucked about with my county ones untill now. looks like the correct amout of OUT as well. tuesday i will strip it down a bit more. narrow hub on a wide stud ??

[85 county]

pretty much not unusual:(.

have a few like that where human error chassis jigging/ welding comes into play.

measure the centre line of the ball joint, i have seen this before and it does seem that some leave the factory with poor alignment, destined to wear tyres unevenly and track poorly. lift or no lift the rear end won't suffer unless the ball joint alignment ie upper a frame bracketry is jigged correctly.

jc

yes done all that, ball center to flange, ball center to chassis. first things i did

[85 county]

Worn rear "A" arm bushes?
Are the rims the same part numbers?As 130 rims are different to 110 rims!!

rims are difrent as i understand it. 130 rims 21mm offset defender mags 31mm offset and 7" 7 1/2'

[303gunner]

rims are difrent as i understand it. 130 rims 21mm offset defender mags 31mm offset and 7" 7 1/2'
But the backspacing should be the same.

The Def110 steel wheel has a 5.5 wide rim with a 33.1mm pos offset, while the Def130 rim is 6.5 wide with a 20.6mm offset. The rim width increases by 25.4mm, while the offset (measured from the centreline of the rim) reduces by 12.5mm. The chassis side of the wheel should be virtually in the same location with both designs of wheel.

[isuzurover]

Am I missing something here? Both sides are ~110 mm disc-wms???

255s or wider on stock disco rims will rub like that on both sides.

People may be forgetting Landrover tolerences here???

[85 county]

OK

Striped the hub.

Now I read the narrow stub as having 55mm from bearing face to start of thread.

in the hub with the bearings in, i read 54 mm from out side of the bearing to out side. This would explain why this wheel always had lose wheel bearings

Has anyone got a narrow hub off and can measure bearing to bearing or seat to seat please

[85 county]

and or the thickness of the brearings

[steveG]

Bearings themselves are the same for narrow/wide hubs.

Were the drive flanges actually different thicknesses from one hub to the other or was it just the angle in the photos that made me think that?

I think all my hubs are currently fitted but I'll try and have a look tonight.

There should be a decent thick washer (3mm or so) between the first nut and the bearing, so you still shouldn't have any bearing play with the 55/54mm you've measured.

Steve