school me on factory speaker locations

[myoverlandrover]

So my 2000 defender 110 just has two front speakers in the air con system that can barely keep up with tire noise. Thats after even upgrading them and the head unit. I've heard of other factory speaker locations like in doors and above the safari door but never seen anything in person. What are my factory options if I source the right parts?

Thanks!

[Fraz]

Buy decent speakers with proper RMS ratings of at least 50watts. Run them through a 2 channel 100w or 4 channel 50w RMS amplifier. RMS (Root Mean Squared) is the key figure here, peak power is what the speaker is capable of driving, once. Maybe twice. It is an inflated figure used to increase sales. If sound gear doesnt mention RMS then walk away.

Jaycar is your friend. My 4x100w amp blows my ears off, and I have it dialled back to about 30% max volume, yet audio shops say you still require 1000watts of power...

[manic]

All you need:
4 x 50W RMS per channel head unit (pretty standard)
2 x 4" component speakers
2 x 6" speakers

Your 4" component speakers allow you to put the tweeter in the top of your dash. Like in Puma's. Older dash you use a hole saw.
http://www.audiofile-incar.co.uk/images/stories/gallery/landroverdefender/8_td5_focal_tweeter.jpg
This brings the high freq detail closer to your ears. The lower 4 inch woofer stays in the factory position but it is improved because it does not have to share space with a tweeter. Better mid's.


6" speakers in the back corners
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/1627.jpg
These will give you your thuds.

Set the head unit to send 70% of volume to the rear speakers. Crank up the volume. Enjoy.

[TonyC]

And if you have kids sitting in the back, were would you put the base speakers?

BTW it's crew cab not a wagon.

Tony

[Loubrey]

There is also option for spacers (available from car audio outlets) on the bottom two 4" speaker to allow more magnet space for a better speaker (based on the same advice about RMS as before). example below...

2 5 1 4" 1" Speaker Spacer Depth Extender Ring 5 25" Fast Free USA Shipping | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-5-1-4-1-Speaker-Spacer-Depth-Extender-Ring-5-25-FAST-FREE-USA-SHIPPING-/230818225180)

The crew cab adds a bit of difficulty for the bass speakers, but depending on your use of the space under the rear seats you could always construct a bit of a box out of ply (rubber or carpet covered depending) to mount speakers and amplifiers if you do lean towards those...

Cheers,

Lou

[manic]

And if you have kids sitting in the back, were would you put the base speakers?

BTW it's crew cab not a wagon.

Tony

Crew cab you can do 5.25" (maybe squeeze a 6") in the headlining. This img looks like he sqeezed a 6". Issue is more with depth behind lining for magnet/coil. If you use a spacer ring it could get too close to your ear hole for comfort.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/1615.jpg

In my 90 I have component speakers in the headlining and I don't like it much. It is a bit like having one headphone blaring into your ear, and the other has fallen off.

I would start with component 4" fronts in factory position, tweeter in the top dash and add an active sub somewhere (position not important) to get some low end. If you still want sound coming from the rear of crew cab, maybe you can fit 6x9 speaker boxes under the rear seats or look at headlining but see if you can position them right at the back above rear seats.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Fraz]

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/mediasca/sca/images/x134308.jpg.pagespeed.ic.aWO5TDmTYK.jpg

I have these behind my 130 bench seats. They face upwards. Its not ideal but there isnt really anywhere else to put them as they are too big. They slightly push the backrests forwards.

[Don 130]

In my crew cab I've got 6'' in the headlining above the front seats, and 6"x9" also in the headlining at the back and facing forward and down. I've also got upgraded 4" speakers in the original position. I have a separate fader between the two front pairs, so I can adjust sound up/down at the front as well as front/back. The speakers fitted in the headlining are screwed to soft timber blocks of suitable shape, that are glued with roofing silicon to the inside of the roof itself, so they are very solidly mounted. I'm reasonably happy with the sound, but I think I'd like to include an amp as on some tracks I get the back speakers popping, and I've heard this is due to insufficient power to the speakers. I'm not finished learning about amps yet, so haven't done anything.
By the way, I don't need the sort of sound that blows the windows out. I've made a reply to a post along these lines before and have tried to post pictures of my setup as others said they were interested, but the uploading took too long and kept timing out. If anyone's got a solution to that issue, I'll provide pix.
Don

[Chops]

In my crew cab I've got 6'' in the headlining above the front seats, and 6"x9" also in the headlining at the back and facing forward and down. I've also got upgraded 4" speakers in the original position. I have a separate fader between the two front pairs, so I can adjust sound up/down at the front as well as front/back. The speakers fitted in the headlining are screwed to soft timber blocks of suitable shape, that are glued with roofing silicon to the inside of the roof itself, so they are very solidly mounted. I'm reasonably happy with the sound, but I think I'd like to include an amp as on some tracks I get the back speakers popping, and I've heard this is due to insufficient power to the speakers. I'm not finished learning about amps yet, so haven't done anything.
By the way, I don't need the sort of sound that blows the windows out. I've made a reply to a post along these lines before and have tried to post pictures of my setup as others said they were interested, but the uploading took too long and kept timing out. If anyone's got a solution to that issue, I'll provide pix.
Don

G'day Don, as I was reading, I'm thinking, gee's, pics would be good ;)
What about emailing them to someone who could then post them up for you. I'd offer, but like you, I get timed out, I think due to being wireless,, :(

I'd really like to see some examples of where people put them. I rarely use my radio as it just sounds like crap.

Thanks for the info on the speaker quality too Fraz, Manic and Lou,, always good to know what directions to head in, without getting conned.

[Don 130]

In the not too distant future I want to re-cover my headlining shells with fresh fabric, as the original sagged and I ripped it all off. When I do that I could take extra pictures of the inside part of the installation. So, if Chops' idea of receiving emailed photos to be posted appeals, let me know.
Don.

[Don 130]

I'll have another go at putting pictures of my speaker setup in the 130. The previous posts should do all the relevant explaining. I haven't replaced the headlining yet, and may opt to sand the shell smooth and paint instead. I haven't been able to find a fabric that I'm happy with.
I'll have to put the sixth photo in another post.
Don.

[Don 130]

The final photo
Don.

[VladTepes]

Good thread. I have a set of 4" speakers for the front (tweeter/mid) which I reckon just need some baffles behind them to stop the sound all echoing up through the dash. I have a set of smaller oval speakers (5x7 methinks though they arent in front of me currently) which I'll put in the rear of the cab somewhere. Hard to figure out where though without compromising rear seat headroom.

[Pickles2]

We have the "factory" subwoofer set up in our new 90. I tried out the stereo for the first time yesterday, only to hear a dreadful rattle/vibration emanating from the subwoofer, so I booked the car in to have it looked at.
However, last night I mentioned this issue on the UK Defender forum, & when I looked at the site today, A UK owner said he'd had exactly the same issue which he'd resolved by discovering that a special "transit" strip of plastic had not been removed from the bottom inside edge of the speaker enclosure. ..Same with me, the plastic was still on mine too, so,....stripped it off, and bingo, no vibration, just a nice strong sub woofer...I'm happy!
Cheers, Pickles.

[Jeff]

Does more speakers equal better sound? I am thinking of putting some in a roof console, some in the doors replace the ones in the dash and put some in the rear. Would this sound better with more speakers, or add just more complexity?

Jeff

:rocket:

[Bundalene]

Or you could go a bit further as we did for this 130 dual cab build.



http://www.aulro.com/afvb/projects-tutorials/88257-bundalenes-daughters-130-repair-job-11.html


http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp326/Andrewe123456789/fsggfb230.jpg



More info on the previous page and also further on in this post



Erich

[uninformed]

Does more speakers equal better sound? I am thinking of putting some in a roof console, some in the doors replace the ones in the dash and put some in the rear. Would this sound better with more speakers, or add just more complexity?

Jeff

:rocket:

depends on quality. More poo is just more poo. You need a good source, good cabling, good power and good speakers.

I have some basic Kenwood 4 inch splits with the tweaters on the a pilar. The 4s in the stock location and a sub behind the middle front seat (truck cab). It sounds much better than stock, but that is not hard.

It sounds crap compared to any stock modern car....but thats what happens when you live in a rattly coke can at 100km/h

[Don 130]

Does more speakers equal better sound? I am thinking of putting some in a roof console, some in the doors replace the ones in the dash and put some in the rear. Would this sound better with more speakers, or add just more complexity?

Jeff

:rocket:

I understand an amplifier cleans up the sound when you've got multiple speakers, and I'd like to know more about hooking one into my system, but I'm not confident enough on choosing a suitable one to outlay the cash yet.
Don.

[Ripper]

Got a kicker 8" hidden sub behind the back seats in the puma crew cab, makes it sound great.

Also removed the plastic speaker enclosures from the tub if anyone wants them.