Driving light options

[Boofla]

Hi all,

After some suggestions on some driving lights for my new bull bar.
Well aware of light force but not really wanting to spend 1k plus on lights...
Halogens are fine and I will add two 6led or so light bars as well.

What do you think?

Thanks in advance!

[chang]

Hella Motorsports -- EE -- Expedition Exchange Incorporated (http://www.expeditionexchange.com/hella/)

Order Rallye 4000 Euro Beam. Decent HID kits are pretty cheap & can be fitted to the 4000's if you want HID.

[chang]

Forgot to mention there shipping was reasonable when I got a set for my old classic. From memory the total was $350-360 which all up is not too bad considering in most cases it double that here

[BigJon]

In my experience you can do much better than Light Force.

Hella Rallye 4000s are a favourite of mine, particularly converted to HID.
I also have a set of Fyrlyts on my Vogue which I am reasonably happy with.

[Naviguesser]

Got Rallye 4000's with cheap HID kits fitted. Work very well.

[Gary S11]

Hella bull lamps with hid conversion, traxide head light upgrade, and 120 w led under roof rack ...works well for me Gary

[rrturboD]

Cibie super Oscar or Oscar with hid are aammaazziinngg
I've setup a few sets now and really amazed the owners.

[Boofla]

Thanks guys.

Does anyone run KC's?

Thanks

[Vern]

What about those jaycar led's posted up here a week or so ago?

[Boofla]

Forgot to mention there shipping was reasonable when I got a set for my old classic. From memory the total was $350-360 which all up is not too bad considering in most cases it double that here

Had a look and with harness and shipping was about $450, can get all the same off fleabay for $290....

Does anyone run one pencil and one spread? Or just both spread beam these days?

Cheers

[joel0407]

I prefer both pencil with HID conversion because the bulbs are longer they give a pretty good spread anyway.

Another vote for Rally 4000. I have compacts on my Yeti and while I have used the full sizes before mine are not in yet for the Disco.

Happy Days.

[33chinacars]

Fyrlyt's on my L322 . I'm happy

[chang]

Had a look and with harness and shipping was about $450, can get all the same off fleabay for $290....

Does anyone run one pencil and one spread? Or just both spread beam these days?

Cheers

Mind giving me the link? all I could find was a lowest price of about $200 each not for a pair, but id buy another set for $290 now as that's bloody good price

[weeds]

Fyrlyt's on my L322 . I'm happy

pm R2D2 on this site site for the best price on FYRLYT......if only i have some spare dollars

http://fyrlyt.com/

[benji]

Dad has the hella ralle 4000 with 55watt hid kit, one pencil one spread. We've measured 1600m of usable light, and a really good spread.

Ive got the ralle compacts and they're almost as good.

[Boofla]

Hellas are probably the front runners, maybe a pair of kc, but I don't own a Jeep so it might be illegal!
Looked at the Jaycar units today, look pretty good, maybe just to small for the bar though, if they made them bigger they would be the go!

Cheers

[Naviguesser]

I ran a spot & spread, then converted to both spread. How far up the road do you need to see? The spreads go far enough on the Rallye 4000

[joel0407]

Mind giving me the link? all I could find was a lowest price of about $200 each not for a pair, but id buy another set for $290 now as that's bloody good price


I just got my 4000 compacts for $299 and the full size 4000 are about $320.

Just search eBay.

Happy Days.

[Bushie]

I'm currently running a LED flood bar with 2 cheap pencil HIDs, must say I'm more than happy with the result. Total cost <$500


Martyn

[Leroy_Riding]

I used to run a set of Lightforce 240XGT's and have to say they were amazing, but from what I have seen the lightforce 210 genesis are just as good, both fantastic lights.

If I had to go spend my own money again though I wouldn't look past a set of FyrLyts and a 40" LED bar across the roof.

if you are set on HID though cannot help.

Leroy

[Kevin B]

Thanks guys.

Does anyone run KC's?

Thanks

Yes I run a pair of KC Daylighters with 130w globes

[disco gazza]

I got a set of Fyrlyt's on my disco,better lighting than the old Lightforce than I used to have on it.

cheers

[PeterOZ]

Any linkas to HID conversion kits? I have a D3 with the LR spots, I upped them with 100W halogen and heavy duty loom via a relay. They are average at best.

Would like to try a HID conversion. See if thet makes them a bit better then fitting whole new spots which won't suit the look of the D3.

cheers
me

[Tombie]

Peter

Just remember poor optics are poor optics... Punching higher lumens at higher temperature will make for shocking glare and scatter... And make your eyes very tired if you drive behind them for hours!

[BigJon]

I got a photo from my supplier today, my Nemesis are in stock :D:twisted:.

[PeterOZ]

Yeah I know tombie. Just looking for a bit better output without cost of muck about if new lights.

As we know mounting spots on a disco is a nightmare.

Mine has the landrocer bracket that goes through the plastic bumper with a steel shaft mounted to the front croas member I think it is.

It then has a plastic cover.

I do t think a standard spot can mount to the LR mount.

Maybe somebody has already done and can guide me on how to donit.

[flyinglandrover]

I run Fyrlyt's and they have been great, you can select spot or spread on the light!

[PeterOZ]

Ok now I('m leaning toward replacing the OME LR halogen driving lights on my D3 with either Lightforce HID or a set of Narva HID. Optics on it are rubbish and not worth converting to HID.

Has anybody fitted either to a D3, especially reusing the LR mount that goes through the bumper and mounts to the front cross member.

cheers
Peter

[joel0407]

Ok now I('m leaning toward replacing the OME LR halogen driving lights on my D3 with either Lightforce HID or a set of Narva HID. Optics on it are rubbish and not worth converting to HID.

Has anybody fitted either to a D3, especially reusing the LR mount that goes through the bumper and mounts to the front cross member.

cheers
Peter

You can pick up HID kits from eBay for about $30 out of Sydney. If you are capable of fitting them yourself, it's worth trying before you fork out for brand name HID lights. You'll be surprised at just how much light HID bulbs will throw out.

Happy Days.

[PeterOZ]

You can pick up HID kits from eBay for about $30 out of Sydney. If you are capable of fitting them yourself, it's worth trying before you fork out for brand name HID lights. You'll be surprised at just how much light HID bulbs will throw out.

Happy Days.

hmmm got a suitable link to those on fleabay? Think my lights have H3s in them.:D

ex RAAF electronics tech so think I can manage a conversion. ;):cool:

[joel0407]

These are some I had in my watch list:
35W 55W HID Conversion KIT Xenon Lights H1 H3 H7 H8 H9 H10 9005 9006 ALL Colors | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271186062164?var=570151207832&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)

Give me a sec and I'll find the ones located in Sydney. I ordered these then my mate emailed me a link for a set he bought out of Sydney for the same price. His took less than a week and mine took 3.

Happy Days

[joel0407]

BOOM, 2 clicks and this

55W HID Xenon Conversion KIT Single Beam Bulbs H1 H3 H7 H8 H9 H10 H11 6000K (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/55W-HID-XENON-Conversion-Kit-Single-Beam-bulbs-H1-H3-H7-H8-H9-H10-H11-6000K-AU-/330924743074)

Happy Days

[joel0407]

Just stick under 6000k. 5000k is best. I don't know why but many have 4300K and 6000K but skip 5000k. I don't know why.

The color rating is not light output but the blue is a byproduct of making more light so the light output is limited on the lower colour ranges.

Happy Days.

[PeterOZ]

Ok cool thanks will have a look after work. Network too slow here.

[AndyG]

HID-Lightsdownunder - HID & LED. A better understanding (http://www.hid-lightsdownunder.com/page003.html)

This covers it fairly well, and without knowing why , it looks like my Cibie Super Oscars with 75w 4300 HID's were a reasonable choice:), every now and again you fluke it.

[joel0407]

HID-Lightsdownunder - HID & LED. A better understanding (http://www.hid-lightsdownunder.com/page003.html)

This covers it fairly well, and without knowing why , it looks like my Cibie Super Oscars with 75w 4300 HID's were a reasonable choice:), every now and again you fluke it.

Some good info there but I'm not sure I completely agree with everything.


A couple of things "Roads and trees that are wet absorb light and do not reflect the light back to you"? Maybe they scatter the light which mean less is reflected directly back at you but I don't know about things that are wet absorbing light.

And: "6000k is not a good choice then as the blue hue in that spectrum is the first colour to be absorbed and the roads will look dim". Here (Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply (http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/blue/bad/bad.html)) it states that blue light is the easiest scattered light. Thats why the sky is blue. It's also the harder colour for our eyes to focus on due to the scattering of the light.

I copied the whole sentence and the link is provided so I'm not trying to take the information out of context but they are just a couple of things I pickup up on not agreeing with things I have read previously.

Blue light is one of the downsides, unavoidable byproducts of HID lights but I still believe the masses of extra light over Halogen and LED well outweight the downside of the blue light.

The Fyrlite crew on here will rave how their lights that use 5 times the power of HID lights are easier on the eyes but I have never struggled or suffered eye strain at all with HID lights. I'm not anti Fyrlite but they just seemed to get pushed pretty hard on here and they are pretty expensive when comparing with a $35 conversion of other driving lights.

Happy Days

[AndyG]

The wet question, dunno maybe the tiny beads, wet layer refract similar to fog or cloud, your link affirms the point of staying away from 6000k and go for 5000k or in my case 4300k, but i have no opinion on either.

As per your link

Does the scattering tendency of blue light affect headlamp performance and road safety in other ways?

Yes, in two ways:

Because blue light scatters very readily in the human eye, casting a beam that's blue-tinted by any amount in a rainy, foggy or snowy environment causes increased perceived backglare for the driver of a car equipped with blue headlamp bulbs.

Also, blue light per secreates increased glare for oncoming traffic. That's because blue light does not trigger a strong pupil-closing response in human eyes. It is yellow light that stimulates the human eye most strongly to constrict the pupil. Due to the comparatively weak pupil response to blue light, the human eye is very glare-sensitive to a blue signal image. With the yellow light filtered out by the blue bulb and prevented from reaching the observer's eyes, the pupils remain wider open than they should, and the eyes are hit with a blast of difficult-to-process blue light.

[joel0407]

The link is about the fools that fit halogen bulbs with blue tinted glass thinking the light is better and they are marketed as HID like (but not). The blue glass is just filtering out the red and yellow light to change the balance toward blue. It's Blue that you don't want. They actually filter out light and leave less but they have that "cool" blue look just like HIDs. On the other hand the less known science to HID is the blue is a bad byproduct that is unwanted light but they are so bright that we put up with it.

Interesting the part about the weak pupil response to the blue light. I hadn't pickup up on that before. I always though that was red light and the army used red filters on their torches so you didn't wreck you night vision.

[BigJon]

The Fyrlite crew on here will rave how their lights that use 5 times the power of HID lights are easier on the eyes but I have never struggled or suffered eye strain at all with HID lights. I'm not anti Fyrlite but they just seemed to get pushed pretty hard on here and they are pretty expensive when comparing with a $35 conversion of other driving lights.



I am a convert from HID Hella Rallye 4000s to Fyrlyts. I used to think the same as you, until I tried the Fyrlyts. There is a reason we rave about them, and it is because they are really that good.
I also understand that they are not the cheapest option available, but for me (and I don't do a great deal of country night time driving anymore) they are worth the money.

[Tombie]

Just stick under 6000k. 5000k is best. I don't know why but many have 4300K and 6000K but skip 5000k. I don't know why.

The color rating is not light output but the blue is a byproduct of making more light so the light output is limited on the lower colour ranges.

Happy Days.


Regretfully incorrect.

Blue is not a product of more light output.
It's a product of temperature.

Higher output temps often lower lumens over lower temp bulbs.

6000k is too high if you drive rain or snow or really green areas as the colour doesn't reflect well for our eyes.

[Tombie]

the other hand the less known science to HID is the blue is a bad byproduct that is unwanted light but they are so bright that we put up with it.

Interesting the part about the weak pupil response to the blue light. I hadn't pickup up on that before. I always though that was red light and the army used red filters on their torches so you didn't wreck you night vision.


And yet when I posted that comment months ago you told me I was wrong :)

Human eye perceives glare as bright when it isn't.

[Tombie]

What I love is this "power saving" vs power consuming ideology...

Great lighting is like great audio etc
You may think you've seen experienced it. But when you get the best you really understand ;)

[PeterOZ]

decided to go with a set of the 55W HID conversion kits off fleabay. It's a cheap option to suss out if it adds a reasonable improvement. Thinking around the 5000L is about the best compromise with light colour vis output.

They are external balasts but should not be a problem, lots of room to mount them.

[Capt Exxon]

I found an ad on this website for an led lighting retrofit from a chinese company. Has anyone tried these and can I buy in Australia.
Sarg