Some drivers out there, its really getting scarey

[Roverlord off road spares]

A week ago my son on L plates and I are traveling along the new penisula link freeway. It's a 100kph limit so Kris is driving at 100kph., we get over taken by a canopied ute towing one of those car tandem trailers, he over takes us and settles in front of us , he then pulls out and over takes 3 bikers on their Harleys. The Harlys are sitting on about 90kph, so my son Kris changes lanes and also overtakes the 3 bikers. The ute ist ahead of us when all of sudden two 4 x 8 pieces of plywood become airborne to 3 metres and we are about to have them land on us, Kris was quick to slow down and the 3 bikers in the inner lane werevery very lucky not to be hit by them.
The ute drive obliovious to what almost happen kept speeding off into the distance. Anyway about 10 kms futher he's pulled up adjusting the ropes on his roof load. I told Kris to pull up behind him, I approached this turkey and asked if he remembers the 3 bikers he past a while ago?. He said "yeah."
Well I told him that he could have killed them when the wood became airborne.
His reply was "Oh, I forgot about the wood."
He just had these sheets laying on the floor of the tandem not secured by any means:mad::mad:.

Yesterday travelling on the same road there was merging traffic entering the left lane, I was travelling at 100kph, and these merging cars were also doing 100kph, So I changed to the outer lane to allow them to merge safely, but some clown decides to merge and contine to cut me off, his vehicle was 1 metre in front of me and I didn't really appreciate having to slam the anchors on to avoid the collison. I sound the horn and flashed my lights at him and all I got was a wave in the mirror from this idiot.:mad::mad:


I also notice there are a lot of people in la la land whern they pull up to a red light with no one else beside them. I'ts some new game out.
You pull up at a red light in the middle lane on a 3 lane road, but before coming to an absolute stop, they decide they want to be in the 3 lane so you cross into the 3rd lane, but wait you don't like it in the 3rd lane , so you go back to the middle lane. totally oblivious that cars coming from behind could be about to pull up in a lane but do not have the fogiest what the person at the lights is going to do next.

Whilst Kris was out with me doing some hours on his Ls, I keep telling him to watch out for the unexpected. The unsecured load was a classic example of this. He can't believe this traffic light game that we are seeing so much of during the last couple of weeks.

He actually just this minute informed me it's pretty hard to fail these days going for your Ps unless you fail to stop at a red light or drive more than 5kph over the speed limit.
Must explain why so many idiots are on the roads. Too easy:(

I don't know if it's me but it's getting scarey out there on the roads these days with idiots like these. There were always idiots on the road, but they are breeding in big numbers lately.

[Tank]

Got news for you, it's always been scary "out there", that's why I stopped riding motorcycles, it tends to upset you when everyone else on the road is out to kill you.
When I was driving (Semis) I spent 99% of my day trying to avoid running over idiots, so I got into offroading, Regards Frank.

[disco2hse]

Yep, they've always been there. You just have heightened awareness.

There is one new twist I've observed recently. People who continue to drive through red lights and turn left into a side street. Not sure why but I suspect it is people who have been driving in places like the US where this is accepted (except there they drive through the red light and turn right into a side street).

[Bigbjorn]

Yep, they've always been there. You just have heightened awareness.

There is one new twist I've observed recently. People who continue to drive through red lights and turn left into a side street. Not sure why but I suspect it is people who have been driving in places like the US where this is accepted (except there they drive through the red light and turn right into a side street).

Not in all states and not necessarily at every intersection on those that allow turn right on red.

[disco2hse]

Not in all states and not necessarily at every intersection on those that allow turn right on red.

Makes it all the more scary then, doesn't it.

[mikehzz]

It may sound harsh so I apologise, but all the workplace and road safety regulations are counter evolutionary allowing people who should have been eliminated to breed. That is my scientifically based opinion. :)

[disco2hse]

It may sound harsh so I apologise, but all the workplace and road safety regulations are counter evolutionary allowing people who should have been eliminated to breed. That is my scientifically based opinion. :)

Agree about the anti-Darwinian workplace regulations. However, I thought most road safety regulations were there to protect those of us who, when we breed, improve the bloodstock. :wasntme:

[mikehzz]

I put forward a further proposition....people without bullbars on the front of their cars are LESS likely to hit a kangaroo. Proven beyond doubt in my mind.

[disco2hse]

I put forward a further proposition....people without bullbars on the front of their cars are LESS likely to hit a kangaroo. Proven beyond doubt in my mind.

Not a causal relationship though.

As a mechanism for improving the human bloodstock, I might suggest that given the lower likelihood of survival in a Roo strike and the absence of bullbars, there should advertising campaigns and regulation changes to prevent the use of bullbars. You could use some cockamamie excuse like how bullbars hurt people when they hit them.

Oh wait, they've done that already. Someone has been forward thinking.

[Bigbjorn]

Makes it all the more scary then, doesn't it.

I've driven quite a few thousand miles over there and found turn right on the red works. There are normally signs where this is not permitted. I was surprised to also find that all way stop signs work too. for those unfamiliar with this concept, all streets joining at an intersection have a stop sign. Vehicles stop at the sign and then proceed in order of arrival. I reckon in Oz there would be fisticuffs in the centre over whose turn it was to move. They also get moving briskly and few drive far below the speed limit on highways unlike the bastard caravanners and grey nomads who infest Oz highways driving sedately at 80 k's in 100 and 110 zones.

[Redback]

I'm supprised that L Platers are allowed to do 100KPH, in NSW they are retricted to 80kph, as are Red P Platers, I also thought this was a National Law.

Anyway stay safe out there, the idiots are always there and you will come across them from time to time.

Baz.

[MR LR]

I put forward a further proposition....people without bullbars on the front of their cars are LESS likely to hit a kangaroo. Proven beyond doubt in my mind.
I have bull bars on both my Land Rovers, the Rangie has a winch/offroad style bar and the D2 has an ARB which it came with (was a tourer). Mum has a Disco 2 which is bone stock.

Of all the cars I've ever driven I've come closer to hitting pedestrians/cyclists/cars, all at their own fault in the car with the nice soft plastic bar. People are scared of getting cleaned up by a bull bar, hence they think twice about pulling out an endangering oncoming traffic.

Australia is more than just the city, it's a bloody big place, and between all the little dots on the map there's animals on every road.

The bull bar debate is old, and egged on my people that never leave the city, hit a roo and you'll understand why people fit bull bars.

[MR LR]

I'm supprised that L Platers are allowed to do 100KPH, in NSW they are retricted to 80kph, as are Red P Platers, I also thought this was a National Law.

Anyway stay safe out there, the idiots are always there and you will come across them from time to time.

Baz.
Both are restricted to 90, no longer 80.

It's still ridiculous, massive danger to trucks etc.

I always did the speed limit, can't handle someone on my tail. Never got booked for it either.

Cheers
Will

[william mcallan]

That is’t nice!

“OldBushie” with reference to caravaners,

[Redback]

Both are restricted to 90, no longer 80.

It's still ridiculous, massive danger to trucks etc.

I always did the speed limit, can't handle someone on my tail. Never got booked for it either.

Cheers
Will

Well there ya go, it's changed again

No it's not rediculous, there's a reason Learner and P platers are restricted and that's because they can't and don't react correctly or as well as older more mature drivers that have been driving longer, like everything you learn, you start out slowly and learn the princables first.

Baz.

[Disco Muppet]

Baz, L/P plater speed limits are a state thing, and regardless of where you get your license you have to follow the state rules.
Personally I think 90 for learners and reds, 110 for greens would be better, some learners at 80 are down right dangerous.
But I guess that's why they're on their Ls.
Bullbars?
If you're getting hit by a Land Rover under motion it's six of one IMHO.
I also leave my tow hitch in most of the time, enjoy clubbing baby seals to death, and dumping any and all my toxic wastes in the lakes.
Right next to the baby ducks.
Cheers
Muppet :twisted:

[POD]

Teaching your kids to drive certainly heightens your awareness of hazards. After 30+ years of driving, being aware of what others are doing and predicting / expecting dangerous and foolish behaviour has become so routine for most of us that it is almost subconscious; it takes on a whole new perspective when you are communicating it all to a learner driver with zero experience who is in actual control of the vehicle. I have been through the process with 4 kids over a 5 year period, if the car had dual controls I would have worn them out.

Vic did away with lower speed limits for learners, P-platers and motorbikes with pillion passengers back in the early 1980s. A good thing too.
A while back I was overtaken on the Princes Highway by a learner driver doing at least 120km/hr, zig-zagging between traffic, with his little sister in the back seat and grandma- the supervising driver- sound asleep in the passenger seat!

[Redback]

Teaching your kids to drive certainly heightens your awareness of hazards. After 30+ years of driving, being aware of what others are doing and predicting / expecting dangerous and foolish behaviour has become so routine for most of us that it is almost subconscious; it takes on a whole new perspective when you are communicating it all to a learner driver with zero experience who is in actual control of the vehicle. I have been through the process with 4 kids over a 5 year period, if the car had dual controls I would have worn them out.

Vic did away with lower speed limits for learners, P-platers and motorbikes with pillion passengers back in the early 1980s. A good thing too.
A while back I was overtaken on the Princes Highway by a learner driver doing at least 120km/hr, zig-zagging between traffic, with his little sister in the back seat and grandma- the supervising driver- sound asleep in the passenger seat!

Here's one for ya, I was overtaken(110kph) by a learner at night on the M5 freeway reading a book by the interior light with the passenger sound asleep:eek:

[Disco Muppet]

Bloody hell....and I thought I'D done stupid things in a car :eek:
I seriously don't understand how people don't get that it's not only ****ing stupid, it's dangerous as hell, particularly with passengers.
I got overtaken by an L plater once...in the middle of town...on a Roundabout....in the wrong lane....with mum and dad (Or spawn guardians) jeering in the back making gestures and throwing beer cans at people.....

[mikehzz]

.... hit a roo and you'll understand why people fit bull bars.

Also why people who don't have one drive slower and are more alert in case they do. It becomes a bit tedious being ultra vigilant day in, day out though so on goes a bar and with the relaxed consequences comes a higher probability of collecting a roo.
The same can be said about modified trucks. I've seen more of them break than more standard trucks on the same track. The modified guys don't bother picking lines anymore while the standard guys are ultra careful about the line they take.

[Disco Muppet]

Also why people who don't have one drive slower and are more alert in case they do. It becomes a bit tedious being ultra vigilant day in, day out though so on goes a bar and with the relaxed consequences comes a higher probability of collecting a roo.
The same can be said about modified trucks. I've seen more of them break than more standard trucks on the same track. The modified guys don't bother picking lines anymore while the standard guys are ultra careful about the line they take.

That depends.
If you're fitting accessories purely for the sake of being lazy then you might have a point.
However, it's not like hitting skippy is a huge crime against nature. It happens. I consider myself a very vigilant driver, you have to be with the number of lunatics on the roads, and I've hit a roo. Was sure glad for my bar, would have been several thousand dollars worth of damage if I hadn't.
There's only so much you can do to before it becomes obsessive.
Flip side is, 90% of my driving is either open highway or offroad, I rarely venture into town and it's even rarer for me to head into the city.

[MR LR]

Also why people who don't have one drive slower and are more alert in case they do. It becomes a bit tedious being ultra vigilant day in, day out though so on goes a bar and with the relaxed consequences comes a higher probability of collecting a roo.
The same can be said about modified trucks. I've seen more of them break than more standard trucks on the same track. The modified guys don't bother picking lines anymore while the standard guys are ultra careful about the line they take.
On our family farm, one ute has a bull bar, the other doesn't.

The one without it was a write off after hitting a roo at 70kms coming back from harvesting one night. The one with the bar has a number of roo strikes up and still going.

At night we don't do more than 80km/h.

Animal strikes are practically unavoidable, even at 20km/h in the forest sometimes they pop out.

Most people have a legitimate reason for a bull bar. I'm sick of hearing the crap about them not being needed, a farm can't have it's ute off the road for 3 weeks getting repaired every 6 months.

There's a reason they were designed in the first place...

[Redback]

Also why people who don't have one drive slower and are more alert in case they do. It becomes a bit tedious being ultra vigilant day in, day out though so on goes a bar and with the relaxed consequences comes a higher probability of collecting a roo.
The same can be said about modified trucks. I've seen more of them break than more standard trucks on the same track. The modified guys don't bother picking lines anymore while the standard guys are ultra careful about the line they take.

I don't that's a fair assumtion of bullbars, I drive very cautously when there are roos around (dusk/dawn) and I have a bar fitted, probably why I've only had one animal strike in 20yrs(bullbar fitted) and one strike (not fitted) actually the roo hit me(driver side door) at 10kph.

And the assumtion that once you have accessories fitted, you just bump and bash your way around in the bush not worrying about the correct line is just rediculous, all the money you pay for a 4WD and accessories these days, why would you, doesn't make sense too me, if I bump my bar or land on a slider or rear bar, it's been accidental or I've slid off the track due to loss of traction, not barging my way through things, shame you were'nt out with all of us at Lithgow on the weekend, I think you may have been supprised with the way all the drivers drove the tracks(modified as you call them and non modified)

Baz.

[ATH]

This site has some contributors who are as rude and dumb as those on Exploroz with their rants about caravanners going less than the speed limit. I usually travel at 90 - 95 (top speed while towing is 100kph don't forget) and if the idiots in cars can't overtake me at that speed they should look seriously at their lack of ability on the roads.
My father in law used to reckon it was those same incompetents sitting behind a truck, bus, van etc who increased the distance necessary for others to get by safely that were the menace on the roads and I agree with him.
Try looking further down the road and don't sit so close to the van you can't see past it and you may start improving your own driving. And others safety. Turkeys.:p
AlanH.

[Roverlord off road spares]

One thing to remember in Vic the age to obtain L pates is later than other states, also in vic you can get a licence until you're 18 and have met the total hours driving min 120 hours.
in other states you can get Ps at 17.

I remember when I started in Vic we had P plates for a year and limited to 80 kph.

[clubagreenie]

I find myself fearing a one hour drive across Sydney and also feeling much more physically and mentally drained afterwards than the prospect and after effects of a 12 hour drive in the country.

Best I saw this weekend was a left turn from lane 3 at a major intersection where there was also a left turn lane with it's own arrow. They figured that if they had the arrow then anyone could turn left I think.

[p38arover]

This site has some contributors who are as rude and dumb as those on Exploroz with their rants about caravanners going less than the speed limit. I usually travel at 90 - 95 (top speed while towing is 100kph don't forget) and if the idiots in cars can't overtake me at that speed they should look seriously at their lack of ability on the roads.
My father in law used to reckon it was those same incompetents sitting behind a truck, bus, van etc who increased the distance necessary for others to get by safely that were the menace on the roads and I agree with him.
Try looking further down the road and don't sit so close to the van you can't see past it and you may start improving your own driving. And others safety. Turkeys.:p
AlanH.

100km/h in WA, posted speed limit elsewhere.

I agree about the turkeys that sit behind and make it impossible for others to overtake safely.

I hate the caravanners (most of 'em) that travel well below the limit on even slightly curved road but speed up on the straights thus making it difficult to overtake.

[disco2hse]

I hate the caravanners (most of 'em) that travel well below the limit on even slightly curved road but speed up on the straights thus making it difficult to overtake.

And while we're at it, those pillocks who crawl at 80-90 until they get to a passing lane, then open up to 110-120. Promptly dropping back to 80-90 at the end of the passing lane. :censored:

They ought to be :nazibanned: from the roads.

[MR LR]

100km/h in WA, posted speed limit elsewhere.

I agree about the turkeys that sit behind and make it impossible for others to overtake safely.

I hate the caravanners (most of 'em) that travel well below the limit on even slightly curved road but speed up on the straights thus making it difficult to overtake.
And most caravaners are in cars that have over 600Nm of torque these days. They can mostly drag their mobile chicanes anywhere at the speed limit. However for those of us that haven't sold our house to buy the tow rig, we can't overtake in the tiny gap we get, usually on a hill anyway...

And then there's the fact that its usually more like 20 cars stuck behind a caravan, pull over sometimes, especially if there's a whole line behind you and you're sitting below the limit.

Slow drivers are more dangerous than those doing 10 over IMHO, if they don't have a legitimate reason (such as driving a 300 Tdi) then there should be a penalty for driving dangerously slow.

[Redback]

And most caravaners are in cars that have over 600Nm of torque these days. They can mostly drag their mobile chicanes anywhere at the speed limit. However for those of us that haven't sold our house to buy the tow rig, we can't overtake in the tiny gap we get, usually on a hill anyway...

And then there's the fact that its usually more like 20 cars stuck behind a caravan, pull over sometimes, especially if there's a whole line behind you and you're sitting below the limit.

Slow drivers are more dangerous than those doing 10 over IMHO, if they don't have a legitimate reason (such as driving a 300 Tdi) then there should be a penalty for driving dangerously slow.

Here's the thing, those towing 10k under know they don't have the ability or the confidence to do the faster speeds, the one's who do 10k over, only think they have the ability to do those speeds.

Most of the time, it's the halfwits following that contribute to the problem, not all caravanners are a menace on the roads, there many more drivers on the road worse than them.

Baz.

[MR LR]

Here's the thing, those towing 10k under know they don't have the ability or the confidence to do the faster speeds, the one's who do 10k over, only think they have the ability to do those speeds.

Most of the time, it's the halfwits following that contribute to the problem, not all caravanners are a menace on the roads, there many more drivers on the road worse than them.

Baz.
As with anything it's the worst that create the reputation.

As to your 10k over thing. I drive Sydney to Wollongong daily, 140kms return. Almost everyone is doing 120, the police don't even bat an eyelid to it.

It's those doing 90-100 that cause major disruption to the traffic flow, especially when trucks need to over-take (although they sit on 100).

[Redback]

As with anything it's the worst that create the reputation.

As to your 10k over thing. I drive Sydney to Wollongong daily, 140kms return. Almost everyone is doing 120, the police don't even bat an eyelid to it.

It's those doing 90-100 that cause major disruption to the traffic flow, especially when trucks need to over-take (although they sit on 100).

I do Helensburgh to Sydney every day and the Highway Patrol between Heathcote and Helensburgh certainly do, watch out as they sit on the offramp from Waterfall station almost every day.

I think you have just been lucky;)

Oh and do the old Hyw, it's much more fun:burnrubber:

Baz.

[Yorkie]

And most caravaners are in cars that have over 600Nm of torque these days. They can mostly drag their mobile chicanes anywhere at the speed limit. However for those of us that haven't sold our house to buy the tow rig, we can't overtake in the tiny gap we get, usually on a hill anyway...

And then there's the fact that its usually more like 20 cars stuck behind a caravan, pull over sometimes, especially if there's a whole line behind you and you're sitting below the limit.

Slow drivers are more dangerous than those doing 10 over IMHO, if they don't have a legitimate reason (such as driving a 300 Tdi) then there should be a penalty for driving dangerously slow.

i might just keep quiet in this thread! :wasntme:

40kmh up victoria pass out of lithgow. :angel: :D

[MR LR]

i might just keep quiet in this thread! :wasntme:

40kmh up victoria pass out of lithgow. :angel: :D
We pull that on that hill in the Td5 when towing the old cars, it's the ones that can go faster that are annoying!

Cheers
Will

[Davo]

I've got to stop reading these scary threads. I haven't driven anywhere busy since 2011 and I'm starting to dread the idea.

[disco2hse]

Could be worse. You could be driving in Russia.

Car Crash Compilation HD #28 | Russian Dash Cam Accidents NEW JULY 2013 - YouTube

[Davo]

Could be worse. You could be driving in Russia.

Car Crash Compilation HD #28 | Russian Dash Cam Accidents NEW JULY 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSm5lXUCsoY)

Absolutely. They've done the world a real service by putting dashcams on so many cars and posting the results everywhere. I never could have guessed how bad things are over there.

[jonesfam]

Caravans': Most of them are fine, call them on the UHF & let them know your coming around. Also between here & Atherton there is about 20k of narrow winding road, most van towers will pull off where they can to let the held up traffic around. Most the van folk I have uncounted do their best not to be a pain, I have followed a few though that I'm sure didn't know I was there till I came round them.

Scary Drivers: I was driving the wife's Delica home from Cairns at night, with misty wind lashed rain & patches of fog. In that 3 hour drive 2 cars overtook me over double white lines on blind bends - puts the wind up Ya!
I'm sure 1 of these had a few, or more, he/she came up behind me with high beam & 3 spotties, dipped them, put them back up, then dipped them as he overtook & didn't put them back up. Once around me he went like the powers, then stopped in a right turning lane, then put his lights up as I passed him. Drunk or insane?

I'm far from a perfect driver, especially in cities, but I always try to acknowledge my errors, learn from them & sure as hell not repeat them.
Jonesfam

[rover-56]

I put forward a further proposition....people without bullbars on the front of their cars are LESS likely to hit a kangaroo. Proven beyond doubt in my mind.

Hmmm, not too sure on that logic... I am on my 3rd D2 plastic bumper thanks to various suicidal skippies.

Terry

[Firefish]

Re Caravans and other slow vehicles, I've just returned from 2 weeks in South Africa and was interested to see how their traffic works on the open road. When you close on a slower vehicle they almost invariably move well to the left to let you past. Oncoming traffic even moves across to the right to help as well. Almost everyone seemed to do it as a common courtesy. Couldn't imagine this happening in Australia.

[Davo]

There's no room for that up here, which can be annoying when you've got a convoy of caravans too close together and you've hit that one bit of the road that's a little curvy.

[p38arover]

n that 3 hour drive 2 cars overtook me over double white lines on blind bends - puts the wind up Ya

When on a fast motorbike, double white lines are merely advisory! :D

[Disco Muppet]

When on a fast motorbike, double white lines are merely advisory! :D

What double white lines? :angel:

[ATH]

I must say although we do drag a van about we do try not to impede others in their head long dash to where ever they going in such a hurry unlike some caravan clubs out wild flower spotting etc.
We saw one such group of about 20 vans up near Mullewa all with big grins on their sun kissed gobs doing about 30 kph holding up a 3 trailer truck and chattering incessantly on ch18 false teeth clicking as they boasted about how they were stopping him from overtaking "dangerously"!!! The only danger on the road woz them rude idiots.
AlanH.

[Disco Muppet]

Not to encourage stereotypes but the holier than thou attitudes of some of the older drivers I know is atrocious.

[V8Ian]

Not to encourage stereotypes but the holier than thou attitudes of some of the older drivers I know is atrocious.
DM, I neither want to encourage stereotypes, but; I've driven professionally for over thirty years, covering more than seven million kilometres. From that time on the road I have gleaned that 75-80% of the bad driving that I've seen first hand has been displayed by sub 25 y.o.s.
I don't want to get into a verbal/print stoush with you, but you need to shut-up and listen at times. I don't know anything about you, but from your posts I'm guessing that you're 19-21......the age of arrogence? We've all been through that period, the pinicle of knowlege. You will be amazed in ten years, at how much smarter older people will become. ;)
I urge you to read my latest thread.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/181771-everyone-needs-read.html

[disco2hse]

DM, I neither want to encourage stereotypes, but; I've driven professionally for over thirty years, covering more than seven million kilometres. From that time on the road I have gleaned that 75-80% of the bad driving that I've seen first hand has been displayed by sub 25 y.o.s.
I don't want to get into a verbal/print stoush with you, but you need to shut-up and listen at times. I don't know anything about you, but from your posts I'm guessing that you're 19-21......the age of arrogence? We've all been through that period, the pinicle of knowlege. You will be amazed in ten years, at how much smarter older people will become. ;)
I urge you to read my latest thread.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/181771-everyone-needs-read.html

Thanks mate. Very sobering.

Alan

[sam_d]

DM, I neither want to encourage stereotypes, but; I've driven professionally for over thirty years, covering more than seven million kilometres. From that time on the road I have gleaned that 75-80% of the bad driving that I've seen first hand has been displayed by sub 25 y.o.s.
I don't want to get into a verbal/print stoush with you, but you need to shut-up and listen at times. I don't know anything about you, but from your posts I'm guessing that you're 19-21......the age of arrogence? We've all been through that period, the pinicle of knowlege. You will be amazed in ten years, at how much smarter older people will become. ;)
I urge you to read my latest thread.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/181771-everyone-needs-read.html

The problem with youngsters these days is that they also question their elders!

I, for one, would never have done that! I wouldn't have dared question how anyone could drive "more than 7 million kilometers" in "over thirty years".

I would never have said anything like:
Even if you say "over 7,000,000" is 7,000,001 and "over 30 years" is rounded up to 40 years, that is still 175,000km a year. Or, over 3365km a week for each and every week of the year. Or 480km a day for if you're at it for 7 days a week.

:wasntme: :angel:

Anyway, let's not drift off topic :)

[V8Ian]

The problem with youngsters these days is that they also question their elders!

I for one would never do that these days! But, even when I was younger I wouldn't dare question how anyone could drive "more than 7 million kilometers" in "over thirty years".

I would never have said anything like:
Even if you say "over 7,000,000" is 7,000,001 and "over 30 years" is rounded up to 40 years, that is still 175,000km a year. Or, over 3365km a week for each and every week of the year. Or 480km a day for if you're at it for 7 days a week.

:wasntme: :angel:

Anyway, let's not drift off topic :)

:D We're out there 'makin' a mile', not on a Sunday drive. 480 kays is not even halfway on Sydney/Brisbane. Truckies are doing three Syd/Bris trips a week. I had a brand new Western Star that I clocked up 201,048 km in 11 months.
You need to get out more Sam. ;)

[Killer]

The problem with youngsters these days is that they also question their elders!

I for one would never do that these days! But, even when I was younger I wouldn't dare question how anyone could drive "more than 7 million kilometers" in "over thirty years".

I would never have said anything like:
Even if you say "over 7,000,000" is 7,000,001 and "over 30 years" is rounded up to 40 years, that is still 175,000km a year. Or, over 3365km a week for each and every week of the year. Or 480km a day for if you're at it for 7 days a week.

:wasntme: :angel:

Anyway, let's not drift off topic :)

Sam,
You may have missed the fact that Ian said he was a professional driver, I don't think those figures are unreasonable for a truck driver, I would think that most interstate drivers would cover at least a thousand km each day they drive.

Cheers, Mick.

[Disco Muppet]

DM, I neither want to encourage stereotypes, but; I've driven professionally for over thirty years, covering more than seven million kilometres. From that time on the road I have gleaned that 75-80% of the bad driving that I've seen first hand has been displayed by sub 25 y.o.s.
I don't want to get into a verbal/print stoush with you, but you need to shut-up and listen at times. I don't know anything about you, but from your posts I'm guessing that you're 19-21......the age of arrogence? We've all been through that period, the pinicle of knowlege. You will be amazed in ten years, at how much smarter older people will become. ;)
I urge you to read my latest thread.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/181771-everyone-needs-read.html

Ian, I'm not denying either your experience behind the wheel, nor that young folks display some pretty appalling driving. Including friends of mine, people who I flat out will not be in a car with.
I'm also aware that there are plenty of people in my life with far more experience than I, at pretty much everything.
I can accept that and I don't need to argue that my 4 years of driving makes me god behind the wheel, because I know it's not true.
I've read your latest thread, and that's exactly why I don't take stupid risks, because it's not just me that it effects.
I frequently travel long distances with my girlfriend with me in the car, and I know I'd never forgive myself if something happened to her.
I think it's unfair to write all young people (particularly males) off as being arrogant, know it all drivers, but I'm also aware that plenty of us are.
Let's not sugarcoat it though, appalling driving isn't limited to young people, and there are plenty of older people I know who are just as bad, in that because they're older and because they've been driving for xyz years, they couldn't possibly be wrong, and some young upstart couldn't possibly know anything about driving, so it's okay to talk down to them.
But as you say, sometimes you need to shut up and listen.
If what you're listening to is downright dangerous and tells you not to get in a car with this person, so be it ;)
Cheers
Muppet

EDIT: There's also a difference between questioning your elders and being genuinely curious about something. Simply accepting what someone says on face value and being told not to question them simply because they know better is also dangerous and a load of **** IMHO*
*not an attack on you Ian, or anyone. Just saying...

[sam_d]

:D We're out there 'makin' a mile', not on a Sunday drive. 480 kays is not even halfway on Sydney/Brisbane. Truckies are doing three Syd/Bris trips a week. I had a brand new Western Star that I clocked up 201,048 km in 11 months.
You need to get out more Sam. ;)

Okay, I'll concede that if you do 201048km in 11 months you could have theoretically got to 7 million in about 32 years. :)

And that's certainly more than I'd like to do. I just completed a 6,500km outback tour over two weeks (equivalent to 5million km over 30years) and I was ****ed after that! :D

[Pierre]

Sam, I did 5260 km last week. Driving a MC interstate in Oz racks up huge distances and quickly. And I agree with both Ian and Muppett that there are some crazies, old and young, who shouldn't be on roads with weapons!

What Ian is saying is don't put yourself in a position where you could contribute to any carnage, even if you consider yourself bulletproof.

FWIW

Pete ;)

[Eevo]

The problem with youngsters these days is that they also question their elders!


i see questioning as a good thing. not blinding following someone and being unable to think for ones self.

being older generally you know better, but that doesnt mean you do better.

[disco2hse]

i see questioning as a good thing. not blinding following someone and being unable to think for ones self.

being older generally you know better, but that doesnt mean you do better.

I think you'll find Sam was being facetious.

[Bigbjorn]

Sam,
You may have missed the fact that Ian said he was a professional driver, I don't think those figures are unreasonable for a truck driver, I would think that most interstate drivers would cover at least a thousand km each day they drive.

Cheers, Mick.

When I was selling heavy trucks, the rule of thumb was that an interstate owner-driver had to do 240,000 k's a year to make any money. Trucks were slower then and roads were far worse.

[clubagreenie]

Not to encourage stereotypes but the holier than thou attitudes of some of the older drivers I know is atrocious.

Like the driving tester who tried to fail me for double shuffling in a S2 during the test.

[Eevo]

I think you'll find Sam was being facetious.

i know he was.

[Davo]

Ian, I'm not denying either your experience behind the wheel, nor that young folks display some pretty appalling driving. Including friends of mine, people who I flat out will not be in a car with.
I'm also aware that there are plenty of people in my life with far more experience than I, at pretty much everything.
I can accept that and I don't need to argue that my 4 years of driving makes me god behind the wheel, because I know it's not true.
I've read your latest thread, and that's exactly why I don't take stupid risks, because it's not just me that it effects.
I frequently travel long distances with my girlfriend with me in the car, and I know I'd never forgive myself if something happened to her.
I think it's unfair to write all young people (particularly males) off as being arrogant, know it all drivers, but I'm also aware that plenty of us are.
Let's not sugarcoat it though, appalling driving isn't limited to young people, and there are plenty of older people I know who are just as bad, in that because they're older and because they've been driving for xyz years, they couldn't possibly be wrong, and some young upstart couldn't possibly know anything about driving, so it's okay to talk down to them.
But as you say, sometimes you need to shut up and listen.
If what you're listening to is downright dangerous and tells you not to get in a car with this person, so be it ;)
Cheers
Muppet

EDIT: There's also a difference between questioning your elders and being genuinely curious about something. Simply accepting what someone says on face value and being told not to question them simply because they know better is also dangerous and a load of **** IMHO*
*not an attack on you Ian, or anyone. Just saying...

Not to take anything away from people here, but generally speaking in three years of teaching driving I learned that many of the experienced drivers who have driven for "x" number of years and "never had an accident" were simply lucky people. Some I know are very, very close to having an accident and don't realise that it's only a matter of time.

I've concluded that regardless of experience what matters is whether over all those years a person has actually known what they were doing. So this being a small town, now I just keep watching to see . . .

[Davo]

Like the driving tester who tried to fail me for double shuffling in a S2 during the test.

:D:D:D