Wild Pig steals beers

[LandyAndy]

Drop Bears on steroids????
Witnesses on ABC radio today were saying the pig was eating the cans of beer whole,crunching them up.
Feral pig goes on a booze bender in Western Australia (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/09/09/16/27/feral-pig-goes-on-a-booze-bender-in-wa)

Andrew

[one_iota]

A six pack I could handle but a slab is stretching the friendship.

[BMKal]

Just watch out that those chooks don't get any ideas Andrew. :Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Damned bush pig, he won't be getting an invite to the BBQ again!

[scarry]

Pigs have been raiding camp sites on Moreton island for years.

When they decide to visit during the night,they normally make heaps of noise,knocking things over,etc.

Unlike most nocturnal visitors,that are generally quiet.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

If we had a gun culture, most of the ferral pigs would have been irradicated by now. Same with the ferral dogs and cats.

Says a lot for Nat Parks when their control measures are to lock the gates and let the ferrals breed up killing most of the native species.

rant over.

[VladTepes]

he he lotza... don't start me !

[ATH]

I can't fathom out why anyone would leave beer around for pigs with either 4or 2 legs to pinch!
Some of the 2 legged variety will pinch anything not tied down and that De Grey campsite gets very busy and there's a lot of strange ones around everywhere.
Shouldn't think the pig will last long as someone will shoot it or the saltie which occasionally gets seen there will take it for a snack. Pickled pork anyone?
AlanH.

[scarry]

he he lotza... don't start me !


Me neither................:mad::mad:

[shorty943]

Damned feral's, why don't he get a job and buy his own beer like the rest of us have to?

[digger]

Damned feral's, why don't he get a job and buy his own beer like the rest of us have to?

Buy a beer Shorty ???

or entertain people for the afternoon/evening for your beer?? :twisted::twisted:

[LandyAndy]

Just watch out that those chooks don't get any ideas Andrew. :Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Now there is a good idea,havent had pickled eggs for ages,love them:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::coo l:
Andrew

[shorty943]

Buy a beer Shorty ???

or entertain people for the afternoon/evening for your beer?? :twisted::twisted:


Well, I do both actually mate. Although I do have a nasty job today, Septic tank went kablewey, got to fix it. That will cost Phil a few beers.:twisted::twisted:

[one_iota]

Alas poor Swino has gone to the great six o'clock swill in the sky.

Beer-stealing feral pig, nicknamed Swino, dies in car accident - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-07/beer-stealing-feral-pig-dies-in-car-accident/5003064)

:(

[gusthedog]

If we had a gun culture, most of the ferral pigs would have been irradicated by now. Same with the ferral dogs and cats.

Says a lot for Nat Parks when their control measures are to lock the gates and let the ferrals breed up killing most of the native species.

rant over.

Sorry mate but that is total bs. There are 23 million pigs in Australia. A gun culture would do nothing but create havoc and get people killed. The problem is far beyond getting people out to shoot them. The majority of the pigs in Australia are in remote areas in the north of Oz. How you gonna find them?

When tighter gun control came in, homicides dropped in total by over 70% in Australia over night. That's a price I'm willing to pay.

[Chucaro]

If we had a gun culture, most of the ferral pigs would have been irradicated by now. Same with the ferral dogs and cats.

Says a lot for Nat Parks when their control measures are to lock the gates and let the ferrals breed up killing most of the native species.

rant over.

There is no much good to have a "gun culture" when many people with guns have nothing over their shoulders.
I know a farmer that rather loose part of his crop to the pigs before allow hunters in his property. The bastards have killed prime cattle more than in one occasion and horses as well :mad:

[bob10]

Looks a bit like Mr Palmer, from a distance, Bob:)

[one_iota]

I agree Bob.

A good distance best kept from both I reckon. ;)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Sorry mate but that is total bs. There are 23 million pigs in Australia. A gun culture would do nothing but create havoc and get people killed. The problem is far beyond getting people out to shoot them. The majority of the pigs in Australia are in remote areas in the north of Oz. How you gonna find them?

When tighter gun control came in, homicides dropped in total by over 70% in Australia over night. That's a price I'm willing to pay.You've been listening to the anti-gun lobby too long. NSW has the tightest firearms regulatons in the country and have you seen the number of shooting incidents here. Mostly its criminals shooting other criminals. One fatal shooting this afternoon.

The regulations and restrictions have done nothing to stop prescribed people getting unregistered prohibited weapons. There are as many registered firearms in the hands of legal owners today as there were before the Port Arthur Massacre.

No I don't own a firearm and no I don't want to shoot and kill things, but I also don't believe that prohbition is the answer.

[V8Ian]

Sorry mate but that is total bs. There are 23 million pigs in Australia. A gun culture would do nothing but create havoc and get people killed. The problem is far beyond getting people out to shoot them. The majority of the pigs in Australia are in remote areas in the north of Oz. How you gonna find them?

When tighter gun control came in, homicides dropped in total by over 70% in Australia over night. That's a price I'm willing to pay.


You've been listening to the anti-gun lobby too long. NSW has the tightest firearms regulatons in the country and have you seen the number of shooting incidents here. Mostly its criminals shooting other criminals. One fatal shooting this afternoon.

The regulations and restrictions have done nothing to stop prescribed people getting unregistered prohibited weapons. There are as many registered firearms in the hands of legal owners today as there were before the Port Arthur Massacre.

No I don't own a firearm and no I don't want to shoot and kill things, but I also don't believe that prohbition is the answer.
I reckon I've carted 23,000,000 pigs and it made no impact on their population; a slight exageration maybe, but three trailer loads a week in the dry season is a lot of trotters.
Lotza, I'm in total aggreeance with your last sentence but shooting will not eradicate feral pigs. The task would have to be completed within one dry season in The Cape and Gulf areas, as the pigs are not accessable during the wet, when they breed up.

[gusthedog]

You've been listening to the anti-gun lobby too long. NSW has the tightest firearms regulatons in the country and have you seen the number of shooting incidents here. Mostly its criminals shooting other criminals. One fatal shooting this afternoon.

The regulations and restrictions have done nothing to stop prescribed people getting unregistered prohibited weapons. There are as many registered firearms in the hands of legal owners today as there were before the Port Arthur Massacre.

No I don't own a firearm and no I don't want to shoot and kill things, but I also don't believe that prohbition is the answer.

In 1996 there were 516 gun deaths. In 2010 there were 236. That's a 46% reduction. So I was wrong. Apologies.

There are 2.7 million registered guns now but there were only 2.1 million in 1996 so you are correct.

But from 1996 to 2001 nearly 700'000 automatic and illegal guns were handed in. A further 1 million guns have been handed in since then. Just so you know, the Aussie military only has 250'000 guns.

In Australia there are 15 guns per 100 people. In the USA there are 101 guns for every 100 people. And there are 32'000 gun deaths a year in the USA. Per population that is more than 10 times the rate of gun deaths compared to Australia. So 10 times the amount of guns means 10 times the rate of human gun death. Yeah, let's follow their lead and get more guns ;). Surely that'll make us safe.

And I like to look at the facts lotsalandies, not postulate without fact checking.


http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia

[gusthedog]

I reckon I've carted 23,000,000 pigs and it made no impact on their population; a slight exageration maybe, but three trailer loads a week in the dry season is a lot of trotters.
Lotza, I'm in total aggreeance with your last sentence but shooting will not eradicate feral pigs. The task would have to be completed within one dry season in The Cape and Gulf areas, as the pigs are not accessable during the wet, when they breed up.

Sorry guys but gun control works. Facts are facts. Prohibition is another matter entirely. There are now more registered guns in Australia than there were in 1996. Why aren't there more gun deaths? Because there are less automatic guns and handguns available now, better education and background checks. Australia is proof that gun control (type and licensing restrictions) works.

And I agree with you Ian regarding the use of guns to control feral pigs. It can't and won't work. We have to look at alternative methods.

[123rover50]

In 1996 there were 516 gun deaths. In 2010 there were 236. That's a 46% reduction. So I was wrong. Apologies.

There are 2.7 million registered guns now but there were only 2.1 million in 1996 so you are correct.

But from 1996 to 2001 nearly 700'000 automatic and illegal guns were handed in. A further 1 million guns have been handed in since then. Just so you know, the Aussie military only has 250'000 guns.

In Australia there are 15 guns per 100 people. In the USA there are 101 guns for every 100 people. And there are 32'000 gun deaths a year in the USA. Per population that is more than 10 times the rate of gun deaths compared to Australia. So 10 times the amount of guns means 10 times the rate of human gun death. Yeah, let's follow their lead and get more guns ;). Surely that'll make us safe.

And I like to look at the facts lotsalandies, not postulate without fact checking.


Guns in Australia: Firearms, armed violence and gun law (http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia)

Sorry but you should get your facts right too. The average shooter never has and still does not have access to automatic firearms and the bulk of the guns handed in during the so called" buyback" were not illegal either.
As Diana said earlier all this gun related crime is caused by crims with illegal guns and no amount of legislation is going to make them hand them in.

[gusthedog]

Sorry but you should get your facts right too. The average shooter never has and still does not have access to automatic firearms and the bulk of the guns handed in during the so called" buyback" were not illegal either.
As Diana said earlier all this gun related crime is caused by crims with illegal guns and no amount of legislation is going to make them hand them in.

The total deaths I mentioned above include the use of illegal guns. Those stats actually just measure death by type. So are the crims now shooting themselves less than they did in 1996? Is that why there is a drop in gun deaths?

And so you know the 'facts' approximately 730,000 of the guns handed in during the buy back were deemed illegal (auto's and pump actions)

[123rover50]

The total deaths I mentioned above include the use of illegal guns. Those stats actually just measure death by type. So are the crims now shooting themselves less than they did in 1996? Is that why there is a drop in gun deaths?

And so you know the 'facts' approximately 730,000 of the guns handed in during the buy back were deemed illegal (auto's and pump actions)

You are still wrong as now you are talking shotguns. Pump action shotguns are still legal on a special licence.
Pump action rifles are available to any one with a cat B licence and have never been illegal.
As I said before autos have never been freely available and certainly 730,000 would not have been just your so called' auto" and pump guns.
Do you know what an auto is?
Anyway I suggest if you wish to continue discussing this it may be better to start a new thread rather than continue to hijack this one.

Didiman

[Lotz-A-Landies]

In 1996 there were 516 gun deaths. In 2010 there were 236. That's a 46% reduction. So I was wrong. Apologies.

There are 2.7 million registered guns now but there were only 2.1 million in 1996 so you are correct.

But from 1996 to 2001 nearly 700'000 automatic and illegal guns were handed in. A further 1 million guns have been handed in since then. Just so you know, the Aussie military only has 250'000 guns.

In Australia there are 15 guns per 100 people. In the USA there are 101 guns for every 100 people. And there are 32'000 gun deaths a year in the USA. Per population that is more than 10 times the rate of gun deaths compared to Australia. So 10 times the amount of guns means 10 times the rate of human gun death. Yeah, let's follow their lead and get more guns ;). Surely that'll make us safe.

And I like to look at the facts lotsalandies, not postulate without fact checking.

Guns in Australia: Firearms, armed violence and gun law (http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia)I notice that you quote statistics from a anti-gun site.

But if you look at other statistics, you will find a halving of the rate of robbery with a knife as a weapon between 2001 and 2009 ( Australian Institute of Criminology - Knife crime: Recent data on carriage and use (http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/401-420/tandi417.html)) so the rate of gun homicide may well have followed a similar pattern with or without the National Firearms Guidelines and the changes in the various state laws and regulation. We will never know the truth.

My point is that the ferral pig at the begining of this thread (now deceased by a road kill incident) would most likely have been exterminated well before the beer stealing incident had gun hunting regulations not been so restrictive.

I'm not advocating a US style gun culture but I am a supporter of responsible gun ownership and use. Criminals will always be able to get guns and commit gun crimes.

[gusthedog]

My original point was that to control pigs in Australia with guns is impossible. They are so widespread and remote that it will never work. It has to be part of a combined approach.


From:http://www.feral.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/FPFS3_feralpig-control.pdf

Ground shooting and hunting with dogs:
Intensive ground shooting — both recreational and professional — can be effective in some localised settings where pig numbers are low1

And:

Effective control of invasive animals rarely works with a single-strategy approach. The listed feral pig control techniques in this factsheet are best used together in a strategic fashion to manage feral pig populations, and reduce their impacts on farms and the environment.

Given feral pig numbers are extraordinarily large, a combined approach would work more effectively than shooting.

And we'll have to agree to disagree on gun control. You are not going to change your mind due to a comment from someone you don't know on a car forum. I think it works but that's my opinion. YMMV

You also said that I quote from an anti-gun site. Well that's because pro-gun sites normally don't like having statistics available that show they're wrong :D

That article you quoted showed that knife murders have remained stable BUT the percentage of knifes used as a murder weapon has increased (per population):

Table 1: Use of knives in murder and attempted murder
Murder Attempted murder
n % n %
2001 90 28.9 151 33.0
2002 72 22.7 142 35.5
2003 86 28.6 115 32.0
2004 69 26.1 100 32.1
2005 78 30.1 81 29.9
2006 95 33.8 86 35.7
2007 81 31.8 100 40.3
2008 87 33.3 74 31.4
2009 94 36.0 87 36.9

I'm not sure that is conclusive evidence of anything other than the murder rate is dropping and that knives are now used more than they used to be to kill people per number of kills. Indeed, knives are being used less to wound people but that really doesn't tell us anything in isolation either.

That article also says that:
Analysis of the data indicated an increase in the use of knives as a proportion of all homicides, although the number of homicides remained relatively constant. The proportionate use of knives in robberies, by contrast, remained fairly constant, while the number of robberies decreased dramatically

So the proportionate use of knives in robberies is actually constant over time. The thing is that robberies, deaths and crime rates are decreasing. Knife use is still proportionally the same.

[Disco Muppet]

I'm not advocating a US style gun culture but I am a supporter of responsible gun ownership and use. Criminals will always be able to get guns and commit gun crimes.

FWIW, I too support reasonable and responsible gun ownership and use. But that is very different to a gun culture.
America has a gun culture, in that it's not a privilege, it's a right. And God help you if you even suggest reducing that right a tiny bit. It's ingrained and entrenched within American society that guns are normal, nothing special, infact we need more good guys with more guns. That will solve all our problems.
Whereas in Australia, we don't have a gun "culture" and I'm very glad of that. Owning a firearm should be a privilege, not a right. A tightly controlled privilege, but not overly so.
Should citizens be able to own firearms? Yes, within reason.
Is the current system difficult to deal with? Yes.
Do we need a gun culture? No, we don't.
Yes, crims are always going to find a way to get what they want.
We don't need to make it any easier for them.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

My original point was that to control pigs in Australia with guns is impossible. They are so widespread and remote that it will never work. It has to be part of a combined approach.

...

So the proportionate use of knives in robberies is actually constant over time. The thing is that robberies, deaths and crime rates are decreasing. Knife use is still proportionally the same.Yes some ferral animals are remote and civilian hunting will have minimal impact upon that. The pig at the centre of this thread was not remote and was habituated to close contact with humans, these sorts of ferral animals could easily be subject to reductions by human erradication.

The fact that violent crime is reducing is my point exactly. Anti-gun protagonists are happy to use the crude data in isolation as proof of their argument. Yes gun crime is down, but so is other violent crime yet the number of registered firearms is actually up, so something other than the relationship between gun numbers and gun deaths is the reason for the reduction. Perhaps it is tighter regulation and perhaps it is better policing.

No I'm not going to convince you and 5 years ago I would have agreed with you. But today I am less convinced about the causal relationship.

Diana :)