Windscreen Seals

[Fausto79]

G'day,
I was working on the roof of my disco 1 1996 tdi tonight and whilst there i peeled back the rubber finisher at the top of the windscreen and noticed some bad corrosion. I always knew the seal wasnt perfect but now i definately need to do something. I read on another thread here that you may as well get whole new windscreen and seals as the price isnt much different but that seems silly to me. I can get the finishers for about 100 pounds all around. I assume a windscreen here would be about $500 minimum so not sure what that was about.

Someone mentioned the windscreen is bonded. Can someone please explain what this means? I was hoping to pull the screen out myself and rust treat / respray the rusted bits and then getting window pro to put the screen back in.

Am i just dreaming? Can this be done or should i just get them to do it all? I just wanted to treat the area myself tho coz i trust my work.

Also the seal is in four sections. Theres two sides and top n bottom. These are called finishers. Is this all you need or is there more to it?

Again, thanks for all the input. Couldnt live without this site. Before the internet i would actually have had to make friends!!! Also probably driven all over the country to get all this good advice.

Fausto

[Vanderz]

I dont have a specific answer for you but i will share my experience as it only happened 2 weekends ago. Straight up the windscreen replacement is a pain in the a**.

Ive got a close friend who replaces windscreens and said in the intrest of keeping the friendship he didnt want to work on it.

the bonnet needs to be removed. the guy who ended up doing it charged 365 its been back twice and is still leaking. the seals in my example dont really seal all that well. well the top one anyway. with enough windscreen sealant i will just stick the top seal back on and hopefully that will work.

good luck

[Fausto79]

I dont have a specific answer for you but i will share my experience as it only happened 2 weekends ago. Straight up the windscreen replacement is a pain in the a**.

Ive got a close friend who replaces windscreens and said in the intrest of keeping the friendship he didnt want to work on it.

the bonnet needs to be removed. the guy who ended up doing it charged 365 its been back twice and is still leaking. the seals in my example dont really seal all that well. well the top one anyway. with enough windscreen sealant i will just stick the top seal back on and hopefully that will work.

good luck


thanks, but do you know if the windscreen slots in and then you put the seals in over it? is there another seal on the inside? if you are not sure then it's fine thanks for your info all the same.

ive been attacked with a few issues lately. doing my head in. looking at 2.5k now all up if i include the 500 roughly for windscreen (everything is dearer in perth).

[Fausto79]

Apparently 94 onwards they have a windscreen thats bonded (glued) to the frame and the finishers then go in, 4 of.

Getting the windscreen out is a bit of a hassle. one guy i spoke to said hes done some before and knows what to expect. he quote me $200 to pull the screen out, let me rust treat it and paint, then he puts the windscreen back in a few days later. another mob quoted me $130 for removal and reinst. and if they break the screen an extra 200 on top. they didnt really sound like they knew what they were getting into though.

for the seals i got quoted $359 from a WA supplier. the guy said genuine LR but this is cheaper than you would pay for genuine in the UK so im thinking hes talking out his exhaust pipe. I can get OEM sent over from the UK for $280. the LR ones would be about $450 delivered.

hope this will help other people in the future.

heres some more info:

apparently there are heated front windscreens too similiar to the back windows. i spoke to a LR supplier and they explained this to me. so you would need to order the correct finisher depending on the type you have. he seemed to think in australia we didnt get the heater front. this only applies to the bottom finisher.

here are the part numbers for anyone interested, these are the LR part numbers

top finisher AWR2025P1
LH side finisher AWR2024P1
RH side fnisher AWR2023P1
bottom finisher (non heated, see above) AWR1512P

[bmw535guy]

i got a seal from British Car Components - spares and parts for British cars, Melbourne Victoria, Australia (http://www.britcar.com.au)
fount them to be the cheapest but nearly cried [bawl]
340 or something for the genuine article, fitter was ****ed i didnt mention it was a new seal when i called...........not sure why although windscreen cost 160 fitted!!! was happy with price

[SLOWBOAT]

Fausto79 is correct.
The windscreen is sealed to the body (bonded) as you need to cut it with a similar flexible cutter as in the manual so you don't break the screen. The parts you are talking about only cover the area and reduce wind noise.
If you have seen it done before it is not difficult just time consuming and you have to be careful and take your time, otherwise not to bad to do one.
Good luck with the project.

[Fausto79]

Guy came today to do the windscreen. Seemed like he knew discos. Went upstairs to clean up the shower screen and disnt even get 1/4 way through and he called out to me (maybe 8 mins max).

Went downstairs he already had the screen off.

Gona get rid of all the rust (theres a fair bit) and respray it and the guy will come back and refit. He quoted me $130 for the lot.

Seemed fair to me, he said the seals were still quite good but already got new ones coming.

[SLOWBOAT]

Good job and top price.
Don't skimp on the metal repairs and painting as if you do a good job you will never have to do it again or have water leaking problems.
Great to see people doing good restoration work.

[Fausto79]

was talking to a guy at work that does restoration jobs. He said while i got the windscreen out its perfect time to respray the roof. he says this because ive asked him before about respraying as the guy who owned the car before me did a home job and a really bad one. you can see all the orange peel and also the clear coat where it dripped down the sides.

i pulled the factory rails off to fit my roof rack and covered the holes with thin steel plate and bogged over the top of them. so theres 4 sections on roof too which will be smooth with new paint and he rekons it will show so advised me seeing as im doing the windscreen surround and the 4 sections on the roof im already doing 40% of the roof you may as well do the other 60%. kinda see where hes coming from, but seems a lot of work. i started with little jobs and theyve snowballed into a lot bigger. i pulled off all the brittle cracked plastic on the gutter as well and will be replacing those. ill have a brand new disco soon.

just wana get it back on the road and camping/fishing before summer starts. be nice to do a winter camping trip with fire and cold and trout.

[Fausto79]

Mate was joking with me saying i should paint it like this... not going to do it obviously but thought it would be funny.

[Petetheprinta]

Someone in this thread said hood had to be removed??? Was that the case, did the fitter need to remove hood or was it left attached? Appears to be still there in piccie.

[Vanderz]

Someone in this thread said hood had to be removed??? Was that the case, did the fitter need to remove hood or was it left attached? Appears to be still there in piccie.


That was me that said that. Thats what i was told by the 5 people i spoke to about getting the screen replaced. As mentioned one was a close mate that worked for windscreens O'Bri**. He said it had to be removed. As well as the other 4 places i rang up for a quote.

[Fausto79]

Someone in this thread said hood had to be removed??? Was that the case, did the fitter need to remove hood or was it left attached? Appears to be still there in piccie.

No mate left the hood on. Just pulled up the windscreen wipers didnt even remive them and loosened the snorkel at the bracket. That was it.

[Petetheprinta]

That was me that said that. Thats what i was told by the 5 people i spoke to about getting the screen replaced. As mentioned one was a close mate that worked for windscreens O'Bri**. He said it had to be removed. As well as the other 4 places i rang up for a quote.

Oh well, so much for the experts...just after your money!

[omvanders]

O'Briens just replaced mine. The bonnet was left on... I don't know if they had to fiddle with the snorkle.

[Fausto79]

O'Briens just replaced mine. The bonnet was left on... I don't know if they had to fiddle with the snorkle.

Did yours look like this underneath? Im glad the guy left it and let me get to it. Its quite some work and doubt any if those guys would go the effort properly. Quite badly rusted its taking some time to clean it but ill fix it then paint the rest of the roof before he comes back.

PS it didnt look anywhere near this bad. The finishers covered it all so anyone getting window guys to do it for u make sure you stick around to see it. You may be surprised.

[SLOWBOAT]

Glad you caught the rust now!!! wow that will take a bit of effort but you won't be disappointed when you know in YOUR mind it has been done spot on and won't leak.
Cheers and enjoy your summer knowing it is all good.

[chunk]

I had my Disco windscreen done a couple of years ago $500, 250 for glass 250 for trim bonnet and wipers stayed in place.

[waltsd]

Guy came today to do the windscreen. Seemed like he knew discos. Went upstairs to clean up the shower screen and disnt even get 1/4 way through and he called out to me (maybe 8 mins max).


Gona get rid of all the rust (theres a fair bit) and respray it and the guy will come back and refit. He quoted me $130 for the lot.

Seemed fair to me, he said the seals were still quite good but already got new ones coming.

Can you tell me who this guy is,? Sounds like a great price. Just for future reference as I too are in Perth, where everyone wants top dollar!!

Thanks, dave.

[Fausto79]

Hi Dave,

I wasnt sure if i could advertise people here so i sent you a private message with the contact details.

Fausto

[Fausto79]

Hi Dave,

I wasnt sure if i could advertise people here so i sent you a private message with the contact details.

Fausto


just looking at my post you quoted. seemed a bit confusing. just to make it clear. the $130 is for removal and replacement of the windscreen. without counting damage to the screen just in case. he has pulled the screen out already. still havnt paid a cent. he said pay him when he comes back.

all the repainting and rust treatment i do myself. not him.

other guys quoted me $200 for removal and replacement and the first guy didnt show up even when i took a day off work so i could work on the car and meet him at my place. lucky this other guy could come on the same day. knew his stuff and was friendly.

[Fausto79]

any rust experts here?

do you guys rekon this needs to be cut right off? the more i grind into it the more it breaks up like this. its a hard place to replace metal at there are two panels. do you think that rust converter is enough here or should i go further?

thanks,

fausto

[Fausto79]

i managed to finish sanding back the whole roof now and ive rust treated all the bad areas.

gona just steel glue some 0.3mm sheet to the back of the lip on the alpine window and then bog the front end up. dont think its bad enough yet to do a whole cut and weld job.

it looks better now since ive put the rust converter on it.

its now all taped up and prepped for priming. gona wait for the next nice day and start the paint.

you can see where ive bogged up the roof rail holes. i just glued flat steel plate over them as well and bogged it all up. once sprayed hopefully should blend it.

its my first time though so im scared.

all up the paint, primer, thinners and clear coat cost me $350.

ill post more pics once i start the next phase.

as you can see one alipne window was bad and the other side was perfect.

i was pleasantly surprised.

its hard yakka though sanding the paint off. i thought i could do it over a weekend and get it ready for painting.

took me about 3 weeks. mostly weekend work. and i even bought an electric sander which makes it easier but is still slow.

[OlliesLRover]

i was pleasantly surprised.

its hard yakka though sanding the paint off. i thought i could do it over a weekend and get it ready for painting.


If you reckon that was hard yakka, wait till you start fitting the alpine windows back in.

That is hard yakka, I swear my fingers have still not recovered from fitting the :censored: rubbers.

ps: looks good so far tho.

Rich

[Fausto79]

If you reckon that was hard yakka, wait till you start fitting the alpine windows back in.

That is hard yakka, I swear my fingers have still not recovered from fitting the :censored: rubbers.

ps: looks good so far tho.

Rich

well the windscreen guy still has to come back and fit the windscreen once im done. i was gona dump it on him. tis his areas of expertise anyway. give him a few extra bucks. that way i know its done right as well.

[MrCat]

G`day Fausto79,

I`ve been going through AULRO as usual and just came across your thread.
I`ll be following your progress with great interest since my 1996 Disco 1 is suffering from the same rust symptoms.

Been thinking of attending to it for a while, but now I am worried that I could actually be in the same condition as yours, perhaps even worse. :(

If you don’t mind, could you PM me the windscreen guys contact details please? Don’t think I`ll use him anytime soon, but always good to have a contact in Perth just in case.

Here`s the condition of my rust issues, at least what`s visible from outside, windscreen upper seal:

http://imageshack.com/scaled/thumb320x240/824/gqbe.jpg (http://imageshack.com/i/mwgqbej)



Alpine window right hand side:

http://imageshack.com/scaled/thumb320x240/109/t826.jpg (http://imageshack.com/i/31t826j)



Alpine window left hand side:

http://imageshack.com/scaled/thumb320x240/191/7vlm.jpg (http://imageshack.com/i/5b7vlmj)

Cheers..

[Fausto79]

Sorry to wake it but i never posted pic of finished product.

[Fausto79]

as title says.

PS MrCat did i PM you the number? im not sure if i have seen your post or not already. let me know if you still need it. if i were you i would get onto it ASAP. if it's bad it's bad, at least you will know. if you leave it it's not going to get better. you might be still in time and only have to fix a little bit. rust is one of those things that will only get worse and can end a car.

[PerthPT]

Would you also be able to PM me the details of the guy who did your screen? The rain is here and its in my car....

[lenleggo]

Hi, thanks for all your great help on Aulro.

I have Disco1 95 300TDi, front windscreen is leaking sometimes, mainly when I wear a suit and foolishly take the Landy...

I live in North Beach WA and would like the contact details of the guy who did your windscreen removal and replace. Also Im considering the roof paint job while its all out and rust proofed, can you recommend someone to paint it please?

Thanks again

Len

[incisor]

take bonnet off to change the windscreen?

i did this last week and got my screen guy to remove the screen so i could clean up any rust repairs etc etc

learn't a couple of things

you must use 2 pack paint to paint over any rust repairs. i used aircraft zinc chromate primer prior to applying the 2 pack paint

the activator for the sealant will turn other types of paint to jelly and the screen will lift and or leak

you need to place cardboard between the roof and your nice hood covering, buff it and get it back to bare metal if possible.

in one spot down the bottom of the screen i also used acid to treat the rust that i couldn't buff, and then used the primer over the top of that.

put the screen back in and no leaks!

took 2 days to do properly.

thread is here...

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/209137-leaking-windscreen-tips-i-heard-today.html

[PhilipA]

Maybe there is some confusion between D1 and D2.

On D2 you have to undo at least one bonnet hinge to remove the plastic plenum cover without breaking it. Mine is broken in about 5 bits from AFAIK a clumsy and impatient windscreen installer.
Regards Philip A

[MrCat]

as title says.

PS MrCat did i PM you the number? im not sure if i have seen your post or not already. let me know if you still need it. if i were you i would get onto it ASAP. if it's bad it's bad, at least you will know. if you leave it it's not going to get better. you might be still in time and only have to fix a little bit. rust is one of those things that will only get worse and can end a car.


Hey Fausto, sorry for the delay in replying, was away for a while. Could you PM the number please?

Your Disco looks the part now :)

[Roverlord off road spares]

Apparently 94 onwards they have a windscreen thats bonded (glued) to the frame and the finishers then go in, 4 of.

Getting the windscreen out is a bit of a hassle. one guy i spoke to said hes done some before and knows what to expect. he quote me $200 to pull the screen out, let me rust treat it and paint, then he puts the windscreen back in a few days later. another mob quoted me $130 for removal and reinst. and if they break the screen an extra 200 on top. they didnt really sound like they knew what they were getting into though.

for the seals i got quoted $359 from a WA supplier. the guy said genuine LR but this is cheaper than you would pay for genuine in the UK so im thinking hes talking out his exhaust pipe. I can get OEM sent over from the UK for $280. the LR ones would be about $450 delivered.

hope this will help other people in the future.

heres some more info:

apparently there are heated front windscreens too similiar to the back windows. i spoke to a LR supplier and they explained this to me. so you would need to order the correct finisher depending on the type you have. he seemed to think in australia we didnt get the heater front. this only applies to the bottom finisher.

here are the part numbers for anyone interested, these are the LR part numbers

top finisher AWR2025P1
LH side finisher AWR2024P1
RH side fnisher AWR2023P1
bottom finisher (non heated, see above) AWR1512P
Those part numbers are not GENUINE land Rover part numbers, they are for Pattern parts. Genuine do not have P1 at the end.