nuances between states when buying a car

[MLD]

With the proliferation of net based advertising for vehicle sales there comes with it the nuances in each state and confusion for purchasing interstate.

Simple example is a theme in Vic that cars are sold without "RWC" and "rego". Do the Victorians get a refund if they surrender the rego? If there is no rego how does a person buy a car and drive it home? From a sales/marketing perspective it makes no sense to me to make it harder for the purchaser. Surely the refund of rego isn't significant enough to jeopardise a potential sale.

For a NSWelshman it makes purchasing an interstate vehicle less appealing when the acquisition involves the hassle of remotely registering a vehicle in the state of origin or arranging it to be flat bedded to you to be registered in your home state.

The other gripe I have is the inconsistency in statutory write off laws between the states. Again as a NSWelshman buying a repairable writeoff from interstate may not necessarily mean you can bring it home and register it. In NSW there is no longer a distinction between a repairable write off and statutory write off. It's in or out, no grey anymore. I think that a good thing with the amount of dodgy repairs and rebadging that was going on in the pre-change of laws days.

Maybe a thread could be started on the nuances of each state's practices of selling a car that offers an interstate buyer an insight into the unknown and more importantly, the practical ways of getting around the hassle that the practice creates.

I'm sure a vendor of a vehicle would prefer exposure to buyers in other states. I'm not picking on Victorians, it was a practice that I see time and time again for cars in that state, thus was easy to proffer as an example.

cheers MLD

[chunk]

It's the same when you buy a vehicle from Qld, I bought a camper trailer and the owner wouldn't sell It with the plates, I even offered to pay him extra but he wouldn't budge. He said that he been advised by the Qld RTA not to sell it registered, pretty stupid really.

[Tote]

I have a couple of experiences being based in NSW.

A car bought from a dealer in VIC unregistered and driven home on a VIC unreg vehicle permit. Blue slip obtained and presented to RTA The only hassle was that NSW RTA would not accept a bill of sale document from the dealer as proof of ownership as it did not have a signature on it. The alternatives were to get the salesperson to fax a handwritten reciept or try another RTA office. Problem was resolved reasonably easily.

A ute bought from a private vendor in QLD registered. Driven back to NSW and blue slip obtained. The gotcha with this one is that the seller needs the reciept for the QLD plates to claim the cancelled QLD rego and he wont get that until the new owner re registers in NSW.The risk to him is that I would get lots of speeding fies while it is still registered in his name. I could have let him cancel rego and get a QLD unreg permit but it was easier to go him halves in the rego refund which he deposited in my account after I posted him the plate reciept. I downloaded all the reciept forms from the NRMA and had no issues with rego in NSW using the lessons learned from the above example.

A new Jeep bought from a Victorian Dealer. Driven to NSW on a Vic Unreg Permit. Blue slip done at the Jeep Dealer at Albury and Registered in Yass that Afternoon. No Hassles after ensuring we had the suitable proof of ownership documents.

Regards,
Tote

[PhilipA]

I accompanied my son to Melbourne to pick up a Ford Typhoon from a dealer in Melbourne.
Aside from the fact that a cop threatened to seize the car under hoon legislation within 1Km of pickup, we had no other problems.

We were stopped by the highway patrol near Yass for no plates as his scanner picked it up, but he was nice about it, but told us that the car was only permitted for 12 hours ( which doesn't appear anywhere on the Vic permit so I don't know whether he was correct).
Son had no trouble with a blue slip or rego even though the car is AHEM not quite standard .
Regards Philip A

[Epic_Dragon]

i have bought a few from interstate now, always been nice and easy. I have been lucky with 2, as wonderful owners (one on here if you see this *waves*) let me drive home on the plates and rego, and then i sent them back after transferred to SA plates here. ones that i have bought without plates/rego have been a simple case of organizing a permit for the day or a couple days. just make sure to keep the papers with you. a trade plate can be used as well if you happen to have one of those.
thats coming to a state though where there is no RWC as such, they get inspected for their first rego and we get plates if they pass. thats it. I am not sure how it goes over there but i would expect it to not be too different.

[Mick_Marsh]

Here in Vic, it's simple.
If you sell a car with registration, it must have a RWC. This can be quite costly. (One of my Mercs took several months and several thousand dollars to get a RWC)
Easiest way is to sell it unregistered and let the buyer gets an unregistered vehicle permit. You can drive on this permit for however many days it is valid for. You can only drive between sunrise and sunset (daylight hours) so that is possibly where the policeman was coming from. The 12 hours bit is not correct.
It's all on the Vicroads website.
If you're from interstate and buy a Victorian car, you can drive it home on a Victorian UVP. Except for Western Australians. Their registration authority is just plain odd.

[Boofla]

When I purchaed my RRS from auction in Vic its rego had just expired, was going to fly down drive back but could get it delivered to my door for about $500.
Took to local mechanic for blue slip, sent to rta with print out of reciept from pickles, bent over and payed stamp duty and rego.... Car registered!
Piece of cake.

[101RRS]

You can only drive between sunrise and sunset (daylight hours)

I believe that only applies to some classes of vehicles such as trucks. The permit I had to drive my RRS back from Melbourne only had the requirement to take the most direct reasonable route - I drove it overnight.

The same also applied to the permit I had to tow my Camper back from Warrnambool.

Garry

[Slunnie]

I'm in NSW, bought a registered car from ACT.

Drove it home, got a blue slip, registered it in NSW and surrendered the ACT plates. Sent off the paperwork to cancel the rego from ACT and now waiting for the rego balance refund from ACT.

Not too painful.

[101RRS]

Sent off the paperwork to cancel the rego from ACT and now waiting for the rego balance refund from ACT.

Not too painful.

And you actually expect a refund after the admin fee is taken out :Rolling:

[incisor]

whats the go when buying in nsw and then registering in qld?

[scarry]

I bought the D4(new) in Melbourne,with the help of a member on here.Didn't pay any rego,or on roads.

They gave us some paperwork,can't remember what it exactly was,and i think it was valid for 3 days only.Drove it home to Qld,through the tolls,with no plates at all,no problems at all.I think we were also supposed to go the most direct route.

I remember staying at a couple of motels on the way back and they asked for our rego number,but we had no plates...

Then went to the Transport department here and registered it,paid the on roads,piece of cake,and a free ride through the tolls:o

Dunno how you would go with a second hand vehicle,whether the system is the same,but i doubt it.

[Keithy P38]

I bought a P38 from Sydney, drove it up to north QLD on the unreg vehicle permit no worries. I had one week to get home.

I bought my next P38 registered in Vic from Melbourne, the owners signed the Vic version of our "ownership transfer papers" and let me do the nitty gritty when I got to QLD. That allowed me to run around for minor rwc items and then cancel the Vic rego and put it on QLD rego.

I've never had a drama - but made sure I had receipts from the previous owner attesting to the sale and rego conditions.

To answer your question, you can buy one either registered or unregistered in NSW provided you have the permit to drive it in QLD if it is unreg. Having a NSW roadworthy helps the cause.

[Randylandy]

How does the insurance thing work if driving on a permit?

[goingbush]

I bought a 06 L-cruiser in WA and got it reg in my name with Vic address, back in Vic 3 mths later took it to vicroads to xfer to vic rego . no hassles, no RWC needed either time, sent WA plates back for refund.

on Monday I'm testing the QLD system, fronting up at Greenacre with new truck and Vic licence

[carlschmid2002]

Just another example of beaurocracy gone mad. Do we really need State government anymore. Let's have one education system. One health system. One licensing system and set of road rules. One police force. I should get off my soap box, but, after having lived in four states in six years, I do get rather tired of it. I have a motorbike registered in QLD and my LR and trailer registered in Vic. I am originally a Queenslander but I have found Vic the best to deal with. Queensland is best for a trail bike as it has single seat rego. I moved back to Queensland and rang Vic Roads and just changed my address to hear. The only draw back is everyone thinks I am Victorian on holidays.

[UncleHo]

From memory I think that if you are working in Qld. you have 14 days to change both your license and registration over or you can be booked for driving unlicensed and unregistered,I got done for that in 82 shortly after returning to Qld.from NSW.I didn't pay the fine but oped for court,but by that time I had gone from long term sickness benefit to the pension.(result of a MVA)

cheers

[Brad110]

If one was to purchase a car in Qld to bring to Melb. ( importing rust)

What's the go?

Surrender plates and get permit to drive?

Is Qld roadworthy accepted in Vic? I guess not.

Does the permit cover 3 states and what is the duration? 7 days? And what are the restrictions?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Bought the green one and the silver one from wholesalers in Vic. Both times drove back to QLD on permits, no rego/plates, through all the cameras,
The green one achieved the "ultimate" 14lp100k on this trip,,

Funnily enough bought the van from Sydney that came with 11 months rego.
The sellers never asked to change rego--
:angel:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

whats the go when buying in nsw and then registering in qld?

no wonder you moved to bigger premises
:p

[Keithy P38]

You will need to organise at least a CTP with an insurance company to drive an unreg vehicle. Most will allow this provided the vehicle is roadworthy in the state you are purchasing it from.

Give them a ring to confirm.

[101RRS]

You will need to organise at least a CTP with an insurance company to drive an unreg vehicle. Most will allow this provided the vehicle is roadworthy in the state you are purchasing it from.

Give them a ring to confirm.

CTP comes with the permit - you do not need to make extra arrangements for CTP

[Mick_Marsh]

I believe that only applies to some classes of vehicles such as trucks. The permit I had to drive my RRS back from Melbourne only had the requirement to take the most direct reasonable route - I drove it overnight.

The same also applied to the permit I had to tow my Camper back from Warrnambool.

Garry
Have a read of the "Conditions" section on this page.
Unregistered vehicle permit : VicRoads (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/PermitsModificationsAndDefects/UnregisteredVehiclePermit.htm)

Another interesting point is "Interstate Use". Be sore you tell the Vicroads representative how you intend to use the UVP as there are different types.

And, Garry, also on that page:
Vehicles may only be driven in daytime between sunrise and sunset. The permit allows a vehicle to be used outside these hours for the following purposes:


where a construction vehicle is working in a floodlit area, or within an area closed off to normal traffic, or where the construction vehicle is fitted with required lighting for night operation; or
where a vehicle is collected from the place of purchase to be driven to the residence of the owner or the garaged address nominated on the permit;
for single journeys where specified on the permit form.

[Mick_Marsh]

I bought the D4(new) in Melbourne,with the help of a member on here.Didn't pay any rego,or on roads.

They gave us some paperwork,can't remember what it exactly was,and i think it was valid for 3 days only.Drove it home to Qld,through the tolls,with no plates at all,no problems at all.I think we were also supposed to go the most direct route.

I remember staying at a couple of motels on the way back and they asked for our rego number,but we had no plates...

Then went to the Transport department here and registered it,paid the on roads,piece of cake,and a free ride through the tolls:o

Dunno how you would go with a second hand vehicle,whether the system is the same,but i doubt it.
I know a fellow who bought an unregistered car and drove through the tolls on a permit. The honest fellow he was, the next day he rang up and tried to pay the tolls.
Too hard. He gave up. They can't cope with a vehicle without a plate in the automated payment system.

[101RRS]

or

where a vehicle is collected from the place of purchase to be driven to the residence of the owner or the garaged address nominated on the permit;
for single journeys where specified on the permit form.



Yes - the exemption allow you to drive between sunset and sunrise - the last two dot points apply - which is what we are talking about - picking up a vehicle and driving it home to an interstate address.

Your earlier post said you cannot drive at night when you can on the circumstances being discussed in this thread.

Garry

[Mick_Marsh]

I bought my next P38 registered in Vic from Melbourne, the owners signed the Vic version of our "ownership transfer papers" and let me do the nitty gritty when I got to QLD. That allowed me to run around for minor rwc items and then cancel the Vic rego and put it on QLD rego.

I've never had a drama - but made sure I had receipts from the previous owner attesting to the sale and rego conditions.
In Victoria, that is actually illegal. Had you been involved in a traffic incident, such as a speed or red light camera, the seller would havr been responsible for the fine and may have been charged, Doesn't mean that this practice doesn't go on.
Again, I refer you to the Vicroads website:
Buying & selling : VicRoads (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/BuySellTransferVehicles/BuyingSelling/)

[Mick_Marsh]

Yes - the exemption allow you to drive between sunset and sunrise - the last two dot points apply - which is what we are talking about - picking up a vehicle and driving it home to an interstate address.

Your earlier post said you cannot drive at night when you can on the circumstances being discussed in this thread.

Garry
Well, I had a better idea of the UVP rules than the copper.

[V8Ian]

They can't cope with a vehicle without a plate in the automated payment system.
They can't cope with a number-plate attached to a vehicle on a truck or trailer either. :D

[Mick_Marsh]

Is Qld roadworthy accepted in Vic? I guess not.
You guess right.


Does the permit cover 3 states and what is the duration? 7 days? And what are the restrictions?
A Victorian UVP is valid for up to 28 days depending on how many days you pay for.


How does the insurance thing work if driving on a permit?A Victorian UVP has the compulsory third party insurance built into it.
I believe the NSW system you have to buy CTP separately from one of two companies.
Any other insurances are your responsibility to organise. I just do mine through the usual suspects but they generally don't offer short term insurance. It may be worthwhile just to get a cover note.

[Mick_Marsh]

Just another example of beaurocracy gone mad. Do we really need State government anymore. Let's have one education system. One health system. One licensing system and set of road rules. One police force. I should get off my soap box, but, after having lived in four states in six years, I do get rather tired of it. I have a motorbike registered in QLD and my LR and trailer registered in Vic. I am originally a Queenslander but I have found Vic the best to deal with. Queensland is best for a trail bike as it has single seat rego. I moved back to Queensland and rang Vic Roads and just changed my address to hear. The only draw back is everyone thinks I am Victorian on holidays.
I hear you.
Have a national system as long as all the states adopt the Victorian system.
Like that will ever happen.

[dullbird]

We bought a camper trailer from VIC

However the guy we purchased it from was really nice and left his plates on for us to drive it home and then we just posted the plates back to him..

He and his wife also gave us scones with cream and jam:D they did however live in the summer house of an ex governor general! nice house it was too!!! which was on Devon Lane so they said the scones was a must :p

[Keithy P38]

You are right - the practice I mentioned is not legal in Vic. The other option was for them to get a RWC and cancel the rego once the sale had gone through as I cannot register a vehicle in Vic when living in QLD. I then would have had to get a permit. Considering the rego only had a month left I figure that the easier option was to leave it as is and let me sort out the rwc.

[carlschmid2002]

From memory I think that if you are working in Qld. you have 14 days to change both your license and registration over or you can be booked for driving unlicensed and unregistered,I got done for that in 82 shortly after returning to Qld.from NSW.I didn't pay the fine but oped for court,but by that time I had gone from long term sickness benefit to the pension.(result of a MVA)

cheers

The Australian Defence Force has a deal that most states have agreed to in that you have until it expires to change over. I know NT has not agreed. It can get very frustrating changing rego every year or so. I was posted to ACT once. Very expensive for 4wd rego

[Mike_S]

I've been looking at buying a TR8 convertible recently and the interstate stuff has put me off damn near every time. Pretty much every one for sale has been either a genuine TR8 from the US, so converted from LHD to RHD or, a TR7 which has had the V8 lobbed in or, a TR7 from the US which has then been converted from LHD to RHD and then had the V8 lobbed in, usually by TRS in Adelaide. There's a couple in QLD, 1 in NSW & a couple in SA but none here in VIC.

Until one comes up for sale in VIC, complete with all the relevant engineers certs for VIC I can't be bothered. Unless I'm mistaken from reading the Vicroads website, because of the modifications it'll need an engineers cert from VIC to say it's been done properly, given that I very much doubt each state is the same when it comes to these things I could easily end up buying something that then needs thousands of $$'s of additional mods to make the local engineer happy.

Just have one set of rules across the country FFS.

[Mick_Marsh]

I've been looking at buying a TR8 convertible recently and the interstate stuff has put me off damn near every time. Pretty much every one for sale has been either a genuine TR8 from the US, so converted from LHD to RHD or, a TR7 which has had the V8 lobbed in or, a TR7 from the US which has then been converted from LHD to RHD and then had the V8 lobbed in, usually by TRS in Adelaide. There's a couple in QLD, 1 in NSW & a couple in SA but none here in VIC.

Until one comes up for sale in VIC, complete with all the relevant engineers certs for VIC I can't be bothered. Unless I'm mistaken from reading the Vicroads website, because of the modifications it'll need an engineers cert from VIC to say it's been done properly, given that I very much doubt each state is the same when it comes to these things I could easily end up buying something that then needs thousands of $$'s of additional mods to make the local engineer happy.

Just have one set of rules across the country FFS.
Engineers certification is different from roadworthys. Gav's 101 has engineering certification from Queensland. The modifications are from the VSI's I think. Anyway, they are national.
My Brother in law bought a modified TR3A from Queensland and had no troubles here in Vic.
Next time you find one, let me see what I can find out.

[101RRS]

Mike - I understood that all genuine TR8s were all LHD but I recently found out that a few RHD cars were made but they are very rare. I doubt you would find a genuine RHD TR8 in Australia and any TR8s in Aust will be LHD or LHD converted to RHD.

The TR7 was sold here new but the TR8 never was.

Garry

[Mike_S]

Mike - I understood that all genuine TR8s were all LHD but I recently found out that a few RHD cars were made but they are very rare. I doubt you would find a genuine RHD TR8 in Australia and any TR8s in Aust will be LHD or LHD converted to RHD.

The TR7 was sold here new but the TR8 never was.

Garry

There are a few genuine RHD ones, mostly back home in the UK. I could import one, but it's barely worth the cost now the dollar's dropped and to be honest it's probably better to get an ex-US one for the lack of tinworm. All I need is for the current sellers of said vehicles in Aus to get their head out if the clouds with regards to what they think they're worth :p

[Bigbjorn]

Engineers certification is different from roadworthys. Gav's 101 has engineering certification from Queensland. The modifications are from the VSI's I think. Anyway, they are national.
My Brother in law bought a modified TR3A from Queensland and had no troubles here in Vic.
Next time you find one, let me see what I can find out.

Engineer's certification is only good in the state the engineer is registered in as an appropriate person. take the vehicle interstate and you have to get it done in the new state by an engineer accepted there.

Unregistered vehicle permits are valid for travel from the state of issue to any other state except WA. I think WA is coming to a decision as to whether motor vehicles actually exist. They may introduce a red flag act regarding the use of horseless carriages sometime in the next few years

[PhilipA]

You guys do not know when you are well off.

It is my understanding froim talking to locals while there, that to travel with your car between states in India you have to have written permission from your state and the state you are going to, something like a green card. And there are 28 states and 7 territories.

Every state of the USA has its own rego rules and gun storage rules , and you can be tripped up very easily with headlight height etc for raised vehicles.
In South America in the area of our states they have umpteen different countries , each with their own border facilities and visas etc .

Australia is a Commonwealth of states like the USA but we at least only have 6 +1.
Be careful what you wish for or Australia might end up like the EEC. Bullbars NON, CO2 125Grams per kilo, explosive bonnets to protect pedestrians and so on.
Regards Philip A
BTW , I remember when trains in Qld had to be preceded by a man with a bell and a red flag when crossing roads predominently Woolloongabba fiveways. I thought it was cute when I was a young kid.

[101RRS]

[QUOTE=PhilipA;1989267]Australia is a Commonwealth of states like the USA but we at least only have 6 +1.

No - it is 6 +2 - ACT always gets left off.

[d2dave]

My son purchased his first car from pickles in QLD.(2010) I flew up, got a permit and drove it home. This was about 3 months before he got his license.

I then had to get a local permit to be able to drive it here to get RWC and reg.

My D2. I purchased about 14 months ago in Canberra. I had a real win here.
The seller signed the transfer papers which are on the rear of rego papers.

It is the torn in half, one half he sends to ACT rego branch, the other half he gives me. When I register in Vic I then get a receipt for the plates which I then send to ACT to get refund. Here's the good bit. ACT reg is a lot more expensive than Vic. It had nine months on it, which is about the same value as twelve months of Vic.

It gets better. As far as Vicroads was concerned, I was the currant owner and therefore did not have to pay stamp duty, saving me another $800 odd.

[Bigbjorn]

BTW , I remember when trains in Qld had to be preceded by a man with a bell and a red flag when crossing roads predominently Woolloongabba fiveways. I thought it was cute when I was a young kid.

How old are you? Gabba yards closed over 40 years ago. I think the Gabba depot closed with the end of steam. They had a goods and parcel yard and loco depot with 70 "sets" as a loco crew of three men was called. The line out on the south eastern end crossed four main roads and Jurgens St. before linking with the South Coast Line near Park Rd. station.

I was surprised to find that trains in the USA still must ring a bell when moving in yards and stations. If workers hear a bell they know that something big and heavy is moving on the tracks. US trains blow morse code "Q" at level crossings. Two long, short, long. This is an old marine signal meaning "I have right of way". Blow the whistle, or hoist the "Q" signal flag if a ship.

[Mike_S]

Engineer's certification is only good in the state the engineer is registered in as an appropriate person. take the vehicle interstate and you have to get it done in the new state by an engineer accepted there

That was my understanding from the Vicroads web****e as well. Being a motor vehicle engineer is a lucrative trade here !

[UncleHo]

I too can remember the man with flag and bell at the Gabba fiveways,and the whistling/dancing copper on points duty directing traffic,he was quite agile in getting around trams as they went through the intersection,but would often curse when held up by a smoking steam loco,those goods yards went shortly after the diesels took over,can remember lines of old steam locos lined up at Hamilton siding waiting for shipment O/seas,possibly India/Pakistan.

[Mick_Marsh]

Engineer's certification is only good in the state the engineer is registered in as an appropriate person. take the vehicle interstate and you have to get it done in the new state by an engineer accepted there.
As far as I am aware, once a vehicle is engineered and registered in one state, it does not have to be engineered again to register in another.
If that was not the case, Gav would need a Victorian engineers report for his 101. As far as I am aware, he does not have one.
If you are getting it engineered for the first time, yes, the engineer is to be approved by the registration authority in the state that it is being engineered in.

[101RRS]

As far as I am aware, once a vehicle is engineered and registered in one state, it does not have to be engineered again to register in another.


No that is not correct - a state may or may not choose to recognise engineering form another state - simple stuff like LPG is normally not an issue but major stuff will often have to be re- engineered in the new state.

Garry

[Mick_Marsh]

No that is not correct - a state may or may not choose to recognise engineering form another state - simple stuff like LPG is normally not an issue but major stuff will often have to be re- engineered in the new state.

Garry
So, it is sort of correct.
I must alert a potential buyer and an importer then. The engineering may be getting done twice. Why do it the first time if it is pointless?

[ScottW]

Why do it the first time if it is pointless?
Different States have differenr rules. QLD has only just adopted the NCOP (well, most of it anyway) which brings it into line with Vic and NSW I think. Previously there were some things we weren't allowed and some things we were allowed. NT is still different again.

A car engineered in accordance with the old QLD guidelines won't pass in NSW or Vic if it doesn't comply. That's the main issue.

In SA, if you want to keep a 65 Mustang LHD, it has to remain stock, right down to the wheels. You can't upgrade the brakes or add a brake booster or anything else to make it safer. A QLD compliance plate for an imported car is hence no good in SA, or any other state as all states want to see different things to get teh car complianced. It's a headache.

[goingbush]

Well I managed to get the new truck registered in QLD , purchased in NSW, using a QLD garaged address , Victorian residential address and Vic license, all above board.

not that it will be garaged as I'll be on the road full time. I did tell them however that we do plan on moving to QLD.

Stamp duty was only 3% for the market value, the car cost $88,000 but they said now ive driven it out of the showroom its only worth $80,000 so stamp duty paid on that, Every other state is higher on a sliding scale & would have been on the full 88K

so happy days.

[Slunnie]

I'm in NSW, bought a registered car from ACT.

Drove it home, got a blue slip, registered it in NSW and surrendered the ACT plates. Sent off the paperwork to cancel the rego from ACT and now waiting for the rego balance refund from ACT.

Not too painful.

And you actually expect a refund after the admin fee is taken out :Rolling:

$664.30. :p

[Pedro_The_Swift]

not that it will be garaged as I'll be on the road full time.


hmm,, we may need to have a chat--;)