Mantec v safari snorkel

[mattg]

Hi all I have driven disco with tjm version and wind noise was higher then the safari/landrover one. Is the Mantec any noisier then the safari any other points that I should think about? I recon the Mantec on the G4 disco look better then the safari.

Any experience out there with fitting a Mantec? Tips?

Cheers Matt

[Disco Muppet]

Urban Panzer has a Mantec install on his site.
Guess the main differences are that the Mantec is more internal than the Safari.
Personally I prefer the Safari, but other than that I don't think there's much between them.

[onebob]

hi Matt

I fitted a MANTEC Snorkel May 2012, and noisey it ain't (unless of course you dont like the turbo whistle):D I chose the MANTEC because it was unobtrusive looking and designed for the D2 and other than that it does what all elevated air intakes do, it delivers dry, cooler, cleaner air to the engine. Apart from the imaginary RAM effect often attributed to a SAFARI Snorkel i reckon it functions no better or worse than any other. With the MANTEC there is a little vehicle disassembly and 'tin work' involved but take your time and the result is very satisfying.

onebob

[mattg]

Any Pics Onebob of the Mantec and where did you buy yours?

I am thinking Paddock spares haven't worked out freight though.

I am just trying to minimise the wind noise in the passenger seat.


hi Matt

I fitted a MANTEC Snorkel May 2012, and noisey it ain't (unless of course you dont like the turbo whistle):D I chose the MANTEC because it was unobtrusive looking and designed for the D2 and other than that it does what all elevated air intakes do, it delivers dry, cooler, cleaner air to the engine. Apart from the imaginary RAM effect often attributed to a SAFARI Snorkel i reckon it functions no better or worse than any other. With the MANTEC there is a little vehicle disassembly and 'tin work' involved but take your time and the result is very satisfying.

onebob

[OffTrack]

I am thinking Paddock spares haven't worked out freight though.

Nichola strikes again, no doubt. Don't know what happened to the customer service people they used to have? They were fast and no fuss when I ordered previously but the current "customer service" person is truly abysmal. Getting a shipping quote is like getting blood out of a stone. If you can find for a similar price anywhere else I'd buy from them. Otherwise all I can advise is to just keep hounding her, on a daily basis. If you don't get a response within 24hrs, email again until you do.

cheers
Paul

[onebob]

I purchased locally from ROVERCRAFT (they're in WA & VIC).
I gotta say that there is no detectable wind noise because of the pipework being tucked away in the mudguard and what pipe is exposed is pulled in snug against the A pillar so it seemingly doesn't interfere significantly with the airflow over the body.
Yes i got pics but PHOTOBUCKET is down at this moment .... will post later on.

onebob

[mattg]

Do you have the top facing forward or backwards?

[onebob]

Do you have the top facing forward or backwards?

.......facing backwards it the only way the MANTEC is designed to work - if you want forward facing (and i've thought of it) look to buying a Southdown brand snorkle HEAD - they sell them as spare parts.

onebob

[onebob]

.......facing backwards it the only way the MANTEC is designed to work - if you want forward facing (and i've thought of it) look to buying a Southdown brand snorkle HEAD - they sell them as spare parts.

onebob

Photobucket is still down so i have attached an image to this post - 'tis not the best but gives you an idea until i can link to photobucket.

onebob

[onebob]

The Southdown snorkle tops were £27 last time i looked - went check it and find that the website has been hacked :o but they have an ebay web store where you can see the snorkle tops Southdown Snorkel TOP Wing Moulding Land Rover 90 110 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Southdown-Snorkel-Top-Wing-Moulding-LAND-ROVER-90-110-/310748890798?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item485a13c6ae)

onebob

[mattg]

That is tidy. Better choice for my Black Disco I recon.

Cheers

Matt

[onebob]

That is tidy. Better choice for my Black Disco I recon.

Cheers

Matt

Oh yes! it would look very nice on a Black DII

[kelvo]

I got my Mantec from John Craddock, paid £229 delivered. Took about 5 days from payment of the delivery cost.

I can only hear it with the passenger window down and engine (Td5) working hard on boost.

I like the way it blends in with the black windscreen pillar, my Disco is silver so I didn't want all the black plastic of the Safari on the front wing/guard.

[fourteen8]

I also have Mantec installed on mine. I dont have any noise issue except the sounds of snorkle sucking air through it and I can only hear if the passenger window is open or if the sunroof is open.

I got mine when my brother was in uk. I cannot remember how much I pay for it but I know it was cheaper than safari one.

I am happy with it but wife prefer safari snorkle looks.

[frbct]

Hi there,

Got a quote from Pete Davis from Mobile Landrover Services, Sydney:
$450 incl GST for the Mantec snorkel and $176 incl Gst for fitting.
Pete was recommended by Rovercraft.

Anyone got experience with Pete?

Cheers,

[Yorkie]

Pete is good, just don't rush him. :)

[frbct]

Update:

I chased Pete (several emails and calls) since my last post in March to agree a date to get the snorkel fitted... without any success :(

I will now get the Mantec Snorkle from Ebay for $600 + $60 shipping and fit it myself.

[ZippoParis]

Hi,

I have the Mantec.

Noise: Has already been covered very well by all here.
Function: As above.
Looks: As above with, I love the way it looks - but that's just me.

We fitted it as per the instructions from: www.discovery2.co.uk /Raised Air Intake (snorkel) (http://www.discovery2.co.uk/snorkel.html) - and it worked a charm.

Final product (my web page): Protection: Snorkel 2011-07-31 (http://members.iinet.net.au/~zippo.paris/moto/maintenance/protection/snorkel/pages/snorkel-2011-07-31.html)

[mattg]

Ok mine is on the way from the UK. Anyone put the top facing forward I recon it robs power facing backwards as there is a vacuum that the flow is fighting against to suck the air in.
What you think?

[Disco Muppet]

The look hideous with the forward facing intake.
The simple fact of having the intake facing backwards shouldn't rob power. I think they're too small for Australian climates but thats just me :)
What's the ID on a Mantec?

[onebob]

Ok mine is on the way from the UK. Anyone put the top facing forward I recon it robs power facing backwards as there is a vacuum that the flow is fighting against to suck the air in.
What you think?

Glad to see you've got a MANTEC on the way (you first posted on this topic in Sept 2013). Muppet is 1/2 right and 1/2 wrong - YES the rearward facing head doesn't affect engine breathing (was discussed earlier in this thread) - and NO it's not the Mantec that's unsuitable suitable for Australian conditions, it's the tiny D2 airbox and filter!! i get size envy everytime i see a BMW E36 318i or new VW Beetle airbox.

onebob

[Disco Muppet]

I know people with Mantecs in the UK who suck in so much water in heavy rain that it soaks the air filter to the point that it's unserviceable.
Yet the people with the safari style never have this issue.
To me that suggests that the Mantec ID is too small, but that's just my opinion :) And obviously the UK is a lot wetter than here!

[onebob]

thanksfor the clarification muppet .... good for Australian conditions eh! :p

All jokes aside though, if the snorkle head is installed correctly water is not injested into the snorkle pipe and the water in the snorkle head will drain away.

onebob

[mattg]

Muppet.... Interested in how the ID of the Mantec makes a difference to the effect of rain.

[Disco Muppet]

If the snorkel isn't physically big enough it's going to restrict the flow to the engine, which means it's going to be 'sucking' a lot harder to get the air in, and thus is more likely to draw rain in.
There was some discussion about if it was sucking the water out of the guttering or off roof racks but I didn't follow the discussion to its close.

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[MR LR]

In my opinion Mantecs are too small (being 2.5" thin wall pipe) for anything other than a stock td5.

So I made my own... 3" and follows the line of a mantec, but with a pre-cleaner on top.

Flows nice, looks nice, is nice... and I can say I made it :)

[Werdenfelser]

Do you have pictures of your snorkel?
I have the same thoughts about the diameter and thinking about building my own.

[onebob]

If the snorkel isn't physically big enough it's going to restrict the flow to the engine, which means it's going to be 'sucking' a lot harder to get the air in, and thus is more likely to draw rain in.
There was some discussion about if it was sucking the water out of the guttering or off roof racks but I didn't follow the discussion to its close.

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Just in case you missed it I repeat - if the snorkle head is installed correctly water is not injested into the snorkle pipe and any water in the snorkle head will drain away - just as it does with the safari snorkle.

As for fears of the TD5 choking, the MANTEC pipe dimensions match the airbox intake so ultimately any real restriction if it exists comes down to the airbox design.

onebob

[MR LR]

Do you have pictures of your snorkel?
I have the same thoughts about the diameter and thinking about building my own.

Here's a somewhat crappy photo (cropped from a full photo of the car), I will take more when I do a build thread.

It was a bastard of a job, the 3" pipe had to be deformed to fit inside the mudguard properly. Took a lot of time because of this...

[MR LR]

Just in case you missed it I repeat - if the snorkle head is installed correctly water is not injested into the snorkle pipe and any water in the snorkle head will drain away - just as it does with the safari snorkle.

As for fears of the TD5 choking, the MANTEC pipe dimensions match the airbox intake so ultimately any real restriction if it exists comes down to the airbox design.

onebob
You have not considered the effect of pipe length in your hypothesis.

Also, there is nothing other than the fact it's faced backwards, which would stop water entering the mantec head, rain water WILL get in.

[onebob]

Here's a somewhat crappy photo (cropped from a full photo of the car), I will take more when I do a build thread.

It was a bastard of a job, the 3" pipe had to be deformed to fit inside the mudguard properly. Took a lot of time because of this...

nice build MR LR - my brother "upgraded" his D2 safari snorkle with one of those heads, they are really good in dusty areas.

onebob

[onebob]

You have not considered the effect of pipe length in your hypothesis.

Also, there is nothing other than the fact it's faced backwards, which would stop water entering the mantec head, rain water WILL get in.

touche' on the first point ...... but I'm curious as to if it actually makes any significant difference at the filter interface in the airbox anyway - would be nice to know.;)

Mattg - When installing the Mantec head onto the snorkle pipe be sure that when you secure it in place that the top of the pipe is not level with the inside bottom surface of the head - it needs to protrude into the head, aim for a 10 to 15mm rise. Any water that pools in the head can then only dribble back out the mouth and not down the snorkle pipe into the airbox. You'll be happy with your purchase :) and since I've had a snorkle fitted i have not seen the tell tale evidence of water in the airbox - you soon know if you have because it leaves a tide mark in the dust coating.

cheers onebob

[MR LR]

nice build MR LR - my brother "upgraded" his D2 safari snorkle with one of those heads, they are really good in dusty areas.

onebob

Thanks :)

I picked the 'Cruiser head as I think it's one of the better looking pre-cleaners out there... (still ugly, lol) and flows well enough for a 4.5 V8 so doesn't restrict the td5 (has a 3.5" outlet, had to flare the end of the snorkel).

I may fit a Safari ram for normal driving, but I don't like swapping things around (which is why I run muddies constantly, haha).


touche' on the first point ...... but I'm curious as to if it actually makes any significant difference at the filter interface in the airbox anyway - would be nice to know.;)

Mattg - When installing the Mantec head onto the snorkle pipe be sure that when you secure it in place that the top of the pipe is not level with the inside bottom surface of the head - it needs to protrude into the head, aim for a 10 to 15mm rise. Any water that pools in the head can then only dribble back out the mouth and not down the snorkle pipe into the airbox. You'll be happy with your purchase :) and since I've had a snorkle fitted i have not seen the tell tale evidence of water in the airbox - you soon know if you have because it leaves a tide mark in the dust coating.

cheers onebob

I haven't run the numbers... but the length of pipe will affect response (this is the reason you have an air box in the first place, it creates a reservoir of air that is put into vacuum when the engine revs increase, instantly supplying the air needed, while the flow catches up).

Providing the design allows smooth flow (which it doesn't, at either the head, or exit into the air intake horn), then high velocity flow could be fine. But I don't see the design as ideal...

[onebob]

....Providing the design allows smooth flow (which it doesn't, at either the head, or exit into the air intake horn), then high velocity flow could be fine. But I don't see the design as ideal....

alas...!!
...just about every manufactured item we interact with is a compromise on the engineers original design and for a mulitude of reasons.

onebob

[onebob]

[QUOTE Mattg - When installing the Mantec head onto the snorkle pipe be sure that when you secure it in place that the top of the pipe is not level with the inside bottom surface of the head - it needs to protrude into the head, aim for a 10 to 15mm rise. Any water that pools in the head can then only dribble back out the mouth and not down the snorkle pipe into the airbox. You'll be happy with your purchase :) and since I've had a snorkle fitted i have not seen the tell tale evidence of water in the airbox - you soon know if you have because it leaves a tide mark in the dust coating.

cheers onebob[/QUOTE]

see the pic - this is what i was describing ie arrow is pointing to the top of the snorkle pipe

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/05/231.jpg (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/onebob_photos/media/Screen%20Shot%202015-05-25%20at%206.59.47%20pm_zpsuhhotelu.png.html)

[mattg]

Like anything it's only as good as the weakest link so if the air box is only 2.5 no point going bigger. Unless that whole is enlarged as well.

I also recon if the Camel trophy guys found a disadvantage from the Mantec they would have gone with the safari. I certainly aren't ever going to push my truck as hard as those guys did. And now I can say my snorkel is the same as a Camel trophy truck. Makes you want to put a pack o ciggies in the sleeve of my white bonds T.

[Disco Muppet]

None of the camel trophy trucks were td5s though, although they did run them on the g4 trucks.
And who's to say safari tendered for the supply?
I'd wager the safari is stronger too, mate rolled his car and the safari fared better than the vehicle.
However at the end of the day, If we all liked the same thing we'd be boring :)

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[onebob]

None of the camel trophy trucks were td5s though, although they did run them on the g4 trucks.
And who's to say safari tendered for the supply?
I'd wager the safari is stronger too, mate rolled his car and the safari fared better than the vehicle.
However at the end of the day, If we all liked the same thing we'd be boring :)

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yup! i like fast D2's and mine's faster than yours but I'll let you win :p

onebob

[Disco Muppet]

Let's revisit that in 12 months okay? ;) :p :D

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[onebob]

Like anything it's only as good as the weakest link so if the air box is only 2.5 no point going bigger. Unless that whole is enlarged as well.

I also recon if the Camel trophy guys found a disadvantage from the Mantec they would have gone with the safari. I certainly aren't ever going to push my truck as hard as those guys did. And now I can say my snorkel is the same as a Camel trophy truck. Makes you want to put a pack o ciggies in the sleeve of my white bonds T.

Mattg, individual proclivities aside you will be happy with your purchase. Just two simple mods - a chip and a raised air intake transformed my TD5 from an asthmatic slug into a sprinter :D

onebob

[mattg]

Chip is on the list

[Werdenfelser]

Here's a somewhat crappy photo (cropped from a full photo of the car), I will take more when I do a build thread.

It was a bastard of a job, the 3" pipe had to be deformed to fit inside the mudguard properly. Took a lot of time because of this...

Thank you!
And a BuildThread would be very interessant! :D

[bob10]

I fitted a Mantec snorkel, purchased from a leading UK supplier. The hardest part was plucking up the courage to cut the hole in the guard, as per the template. An excellent tutorial is found on this leading UK LR website, Bob


www.discovery2.co.uk /Raised Air Intake (snorkel) (http://www.discovery2.co.uk/snorkel.html)

[Jason789]

The forward facing head on the Southdown snorkel is not good when it is raining. Whilst driving during a 1 hour downpour in QLD, enough water was ingested to render the air filter unusable.
I have since extended the snorkel approximately 6 or so inches and faced the head rearwards(looks like a Mantec but shiny). Hopefully this will fix the problem.

Cheers,

Jason

[mattg]

I finished fitting mine last night. I found that although I stuck the template on as marked it seems to be 5 mm to far back. Note bought room at the front and gap at the back. I'll retrim the guard a bit more another day. Amazing how much air it sucks in.
But if I put my hand over the top and seal it the engine revs don't change do to think this means it's sucking air somewhere else?

[Disco Muppet]

Totally sealing the snorkel should choke the engine.
Interestingly, my post about sucking in water to the point of choking the engine on the wet filter?
I did read it on the uk board....But by a poster who lives in Perth WA ;)
Hope you're happy with your work matt :)

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[onebob]

I finished fitting mine last night. I found that although I stuck the template on as marked it seems to be 5 mm to far back. Note bought room at the front and gap at the back. I'll retrim the guard a bit more another day. Amazing how much air it sucks in.
But if I put my hand over the top and seal it the engine revs don't change do to think this means it's sucking air somewhere else?

Yup, block the air intake and it'll be sucking from elsewhere taking a path of least resistance. It could be from where the snorkle pipe enters the head shroud - there's not a continous 360 weld - i imagine it's deliberate and allows an alternative path for water to drain from the shroud, no different to other brand snorkles - they all have self draining heads. But the main contributors are probably LR components, usually the oval shaped flexible connector in the engine bay at the mudguard wall before the airbox will leak air. It's made of a rubberised fabric and after 10 or 15 years in service there's more fabric than rubber left making it less than airtight (or watertight). Many members on here wrap it in self sealing "rescue tape" to restore it to like new. Also there are two drains in the airbox, first check that you have the duckbill drain valve in place (visible in the wheel arch) and that it's actually sucking closed when the engine is running - I've replaced mine with a rubber pipe cap to permanently seal it, others just fill it with silicon and refit. And finally there is a small covered drain at the bottom of the airbox visible when you remove the filter - i chiselled off the moulding shielding the hole, enlarged the hole then inserted a 10mm sealing grommet.

onebob

[mattg]

I haven't put the head on yet so I can seal it off with my hand easily. I'll check all of the above. Cheers guys

[Jazzman]

I recently fitted a RVTEK $AUD108.00 Safari rip off snorkel from ebay. It was a bit of a challenge, at first it did not appear to line up and the snout at the air box end was too long. The template was out by 5mm on 1 axis and 10mm the other. Fortunately I cut the big hole in the correct spot.

To install it i had to:
Cut the snout short by 10mm
Bolt the horizontal part of the snorkel to the panel.
Fit the A pillar bracket to the snorkel.
Flex the vertical part to line up with the A pillar.
Mark the holes on the A pillar and fit the bracket.
Flex the vertical part for the snorkel back to the A pillar and bolt to the bracket.
Sikaflex the fabric of the factory oval shaped pipe connecting the snorkel to air box.
Sikaflex oval shaped factory pipe to car body where it meets snorkel.
Sikaflex and rivet cast alloy receiver to car body.

Fortunately the snorkel covers the incorrect now L shaped bolt holes, the snout fits perfectly in the cast alloy bracket fitted to the car body where the snorkel snout meets with the factory hole. Lots of Sikaflex involved to seal it.

I will now take onebob's advise and seal the air box.

I would not necessarily advise people not to buy cheap snorkels, but I would advise them to line the horizontal part on the snorkel with the bottom of the V fold line in the panel. Mark the holes on the panel by screwing in long bolts (approx 150mm) into the snorkel put grease or something on the bolt head and push against panel (while lined up with V line). While doing this it is also important to make sure the snout more or less lines up with the factory oval hole in the body. Once you have the bolt holes it is simple to measure (or trace if your confident) where the snout hole needs to be and how big it needs to be cut.

Once all that looks right, then and only then, cut the large hole for the snout. Remove the long bolts, fit the studs and check the bolt holes, remark if required.

Drill a 3mm pilot hole and use a step bit to drill the bolt holes, about 2 sizes larger than you need so you have some fine adjustment room.

That is my advise for what it is worth. It is a bit of work, but saves you hundreds of dollars. Not sure how long the snorkel will last, but i'm going to suck it and see.

[schuy1]

There is a reason why a genuwine safari costs,although I am yet to be convinced there is enough of 1 to justifie some of the prices asked:?

[Disco Muppet]

I wanted an Australian made product, that I could trust for years to come, and that would be able to be installed exactly as the instructions said. No bending, extra cutting, etc.
My mate rolled his triton ute. The safari snorkel was unscathed, but the panel it attached to was totally destroyed. Snorkel lives on.
For a truck you want to keep for a fair while and is going to exist in harsh environments, wear knocks and scratches well, etc? Safari.
For a bush pig built on the cheap? Ebay special :)
I wanted the best option available, and I was prepared to pay for it.

[schuy1]

Yep, I do agree with those reasons :) Which is the reason I went that way. I think those triton gaurds are rubbish though, a friend did the same, or rather his mrs did and the safari lives on!! :D

[bob10]

I finished fitting mine last night. I found that although I stuck the template on as marked it seems to be 5 mm to far back. Note bought room at the front and gap at the back. I'll retrim the guard a bit more another day. Amazing how much air it sucks in.
But if I put my hand over the top and seal it the engine revs don't change do to think this means it's sucking air somewhere else?


Check the flexible connection from the air box to the inside of the guard. Recently had to change mine , the cloth like cover over the wire insides had deteriorated, and had been sucked into the air box, ending up on the underside of the air filter. Don't listen to the nay sayers, nothing wrong with the Mantec. Good enough for the G4, good enough for me. Bob

[onebob]

21Sept2013
Urban Panzer has a Mantec install on his site.
Guess the main differences are that the Mantec is more internal than the Safari.
Personally I prefer the Safari, but other than that I don't think there's much between them.

no nay sayers on here bob10 - see above post from 21 Sept 2013, we've even got the moderator on side ;);):p

onebob

[Disco Muppet]

Not a nay sayer, more a nay-for-me sayer :D

[bob10]

Not a nay sayer, more a nay-for-me sayer :D


And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, Bob

[Roverlord off road spares]

There is a reason why a genuwine safari costs,although I am yet to be convinced there is enough of 1 to justifie some of the prices asked:?
Can't complain about my Genuine D2 Safari, picked it up second hand on ebay for just over a $100:D No one else bidded on it:)

[bob10]

21Sept2013

no nay sayers on here bob10 - see above post from 21 Sept 2013, we've even got the moderator on side ;);):p

onebob


That's a nice change from having them off side...:angel: Bob