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n plus one
21st September 2013, 07:05 PM
Well, the trusty Puma finally let me down - and in the middle of the Simpson too. Looks like I'm gunna' have to glue up the cracked fog light lense before another desert run :D

Actually for all those concerned about Puma reliability the total of issues from my recent Simpson run includes the above lense, a low beam filament, a loose speaker connection, one flogged shock rubber washer, a cracked front mud flap and a possible failed baffle in the muffler (a minor rattle at idle).

Not bad for approx 7k of rough roads in two weeks and a total of just under 100k of heavy use.

Drover
21st September 2013, 07:08 PM
It's about time the knockers of the PUMA conceded to the obvious.... PUMA is King

n plus one
21st September 2013, 07:15 PM
It's about time the knockers of the PUMA conceded to the obvious.... PUMA is King

Happy with mine! I'd buy another - but I'm happy (and too $$$ invested) in the one I've got.

Sandgroper
21st September 2013, 07:35 PM
Wow, you must be completely devastated with that amount of catastrophic damage! I'm just glad you managed to limp out and find some help before, heaven forbid, another bleached skeleton was found many years later alongside the battle scarred relic of another vehicle that had succumbed to the harsh desert elements. I love my puma too!

Didge
21st September 2013, 08:10 PM
Yes, I'm just waiting for the all new Defender to come out and then I hope to nab a Puma after current owners upgrade :)

Chops
21st September 2013, 08:48 PM
Yes, I'm just waiting for the all new Defender to come out and then I hope to nab a Puma after current owners upgrade :)


Don't be holding your breath too long,, ;)

If you want a really good proven unit,, check out Nugget's unit

NPO, nice to see your using her as intended :cool:

Blknight.aus
21st September 2013, 09:42 PM
It's about time the knockers of the PUMA conceded to the obvious.... PUMA is King

Yall just let us know when the first one passes the million miles marker

and then someone will probably just ask you to let us know if you get it to 2

djam1
21st September 2013, 09:53 PM
Come on Dave 7000 Km on dirt roads with only things falling off is pretty good.

:p

n plus one
21st September 2013, 10:14 PM
Thought this thread might generate some interest!

PS I should have also mentioned that one of my airbag spacer rings started to fail (fracturing apart) before I started the Simpson - there's only about 50% of it left now!

While I'm not a rally driver, I think I'll be fitting another set of Bilsteins before my next run. Eight should just about do it I reckon!


PS the Deefer walked up Big Red no dramas- hard lines n' all.

Bush65
22nd September 2013, 06:03 AM
It's about time the knockers of the PUMA conceded to the obvious.... PUMA is King
I thought the 2.2 litre, Mazda based engine that replaced for puma was the new king :wasntme:

Blknight.aus
22nd September 2013, 06:09 AM
Come on Dave 7000 Km on dirt roads with only things falling off is pretty good.

:p

maybe for a puma.

spudfan
22nd September 2013, 07:08 AM
Before we bought our Puma in 2008 I thought I'd do some research on it's reliability etc. We'd been driving a 110 200 tdi for 16 years at the time. Naturally enough I figured the best place to search out any problems with the Puma was Australia as I figured you lot would have sussed out any problems with the severe terrain and long overlanding trips. That's how I came across this forum.
What did I find regarding the Puma? People heading off into places like the Simpson. People with no maindealer for 1'000's of kms loading up and driving extended trips where your life depended on the vehicle. Sure there was the odd fly in the ointment like concerns over the brake vacuum pump and the fuel tank breather but I was convinced. The Puma was duly ordered never having driven one or even seen one up close.When we picked it up I was astounded. I had no idea that a Defender could be so quiet, sprightly and downright civilised and still be a DEFENDER.Sadly my joy was short lived. We had driven down in the 200 tdi to pick up the Puma which I drove home. On arriving home the wife exited the 200 tdi and got into the Puma saying "Well I might as well see what it is like" and off she went.She returned beaming and claimed it for her own.She had never driven anything but the 110 tdi, even passing her driving test in it first time. She loved the tdi but ditched it there and then without batting an eye lid.So I got Exclusive use of the tdi.

Happy with mine! I'd buy another - but I'm happy (and too $$$ invested) in the one I've got.
That quote sums it up. In 2011 I took the plunge and we got a second Puma which I get to drive.:)Retired the 110 200 tdi to a nice dry shed for some future date. So regarding the Puma I think the above just about sums it up.

weeds
22nd September 2013, 07:15 AM
Everything you have mentioned would similar little faults with all 4wd's

Drover
22nd September 2013, 07:29 AM
I thought the 2.2 litre, Mazda based engine that replaced for puma was the new king :wasntme:

The new 2.2 PUMA engine is solely based on the 2.4 PUMA, both Ford Dura-Torq.

The Ford Dura-Torq engines (2.2 & 3.2) are used in the Ford Rangers and Mazda BT50's.

And there is room on the thrown for both :cool:

patclan
22nd September 2013, 08:15 AM
When I did my Simpson trip the damage I had included.

Rear speaker got caved in ( gas bottle came loose and bashed it in)

Front door went out of alignment and had to be adjusted in the desert to stop it hitting the roof rack.

And the worst of all and most devastating was my Nespresso machine got clogged up with nice red sand. But it is working now, a year on and I still get little bits of red in my coffee every now and again.

That trip was probably the heaviest load we have ever carried, 3 people, water, diesel, roof rack and roof top tent, camping gear for the 3rd person, 2 fridges ( a 60l and a small 20l beer fridge) 4 cases of beer and all the other stuff, still made it over Big Red, twice in fact as we had to go up and pull the father in-laws Hi-Lux off the plateau as he got stuck with 2 people one fridge and not much else.

I would not go as far as saying it was a success because it was a Puma, it was a success because it was a Land Rover, and for me the Puma is the one I own so I am extremely happy with it.

PAT303
22nd September 2013, 09:07 AM
My brothers getting married in 10 weeks,damn,looks like another trip across Oz,Great Central/Gunbarrel,Anne Beadell,Trans Australian,too many choices,only one vehicle though. Pat

edddo
22nd September 2013, 10:06 AM
Go the Puma!
My old D1 Tdi did a similar trip - damage; 1 rear mud flap gone, 1 rear brake light and PS rear lower shock rubbers.

Parked out the front of the Birdsville mechanic were 3 Toyotas, 3 Nissans and 2 suzukis and while there a Pajero came in on the truck. I did joyfully pass this information on to a couple of guys ( toynissan drivers of course) who were bagging Landrover reliability to me at the pub :-)

PAT303
22nd September 2013, 01:03 PM
maybe for a puma.

What do you drive Dave?. Pat

FeatherWeightDriver
22nd September 2013, 02:38 PM
Sounds like a terrible trip in a terrible car... maybe you should sell it! :p (sarcasm off)

Iain_B
22nd September 2013, 03:25 PM
We are halfway through our trip across Australia, soon heading for Steep Point on Saturday which is about as far away from home we can get and still be in Australia :) We have done about 10,000km on dirt roads so far, and this is the fourth big trip we have done and so far no major problems.

We have broken the left rear brake shield, if came off on the road to Mitchell Plateau pulling the ABS sensor out, making the ABS/tractinon control light come on. I took off the brake shield remnants, and pushed the sensor back in and the light went off. This is the second brake shield on that wheel to break - not sure why.

We don't drive slowly, but around 80-90kph on most dirt roads, dropping to 60kph or lower if it gets really bad.

The BFG KM2 have had it, left rear has had three punctures, and were pretty cut up.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/542.jpg

We run 255/85-R16, and there are no KM2 ont he west coast, so we opted for Maxis Big Horns, we will see how they go. The extra 1" of clearance under the diff has made a difference in quite a few places where we sail through without dragging the diff, whereas Land Cruisers on 31" tyres get stuck :)

My Puma has been pretty reliable so far, and with 90,000km on the clock, of that 40,000km fully loaded on some rough roads without problems.

We have another 10,000km to go getting back, and with possibilities of the Anne Beadell, or Connie Sue and Great Central road to go, we are looking forward to it.

More info on our blog - note NSFW

There and Back again (http://landroverroundtrip.blogspot.com.au/)

Blknight.aus
22nd September 2013, 03:33 PM
What do you drive Dave?. Pat

Not a puma, and for good reasons.

one_iota
22nd September 2013, 03:58 PM
Not a puma, and for good reasons.

I recollect having to take off the front passenger door on the side of the old Strzelecki track to refix a loose wing mirror...I guess that had nothing to do with the motor.

Try to do that with your new fangled Defenders...:p

jerryd
22nd September 2013, 04:19 PM
These chaps did it and seemed to only break diffs ;)

THE LEYLAND BROTHERS - WHEELS ACROSS A WILDERNESS AND A JOURNEY REVISITED Trailer - YouTube


I'm really looking forward to the day I can cross it

n plus one
22nd September 2013, 05:33 PM
We are halfway through our trip across Australia, soon heading for Steep Point on Saturday which is about as far away from home we can get and still be in Australia :) We have done about 10,000km on dirt roads so far, and this is the fourth big trip we have done and so far no major problems.

We have broken the left rear brake shield, if came off on the road to Mitchell Plateau pulling the ABS sensor out, making the ABS/tractinon control light come on. I took off the brake shield remnants, and pushed the sensor back in and the light went off. This is the second brake shield on that wheel to break - not sure why.

We don't drive slowly, but around 80-90kph on most dirt roads, dropping to 60kph or lower if it gets really bad.

The BFG KM2 have had it, left rear has had three punctures, and were pretty cut up.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/542.jpg

We run 255/85-R16, and there are no KM2 ont he west coast, so we opted for Maxis Big Horns, we will see how they go. The extra 1" of clearance under the diff has made a difference in quite a few places where we sail through without dragging the diff, whereas Land Cruisers on 31" tyres get stuck :)

My Puma has been pretty reliable so far, and with 90,000km on the clock, of that 40,000km fully loaded on some rough roads without problems.

We have another 10,000km to go getting back, and with possibilities of the Anne Beadell, or Connie Sue and Great Central road to go, we are looking forward to it.

More info on our blog - note NSFW

There and Back again (http://landroverroundtrip.blogspot.com.au/)

Hi Ian, I'm running KM2s in the same size as you and they are holding up pretty well - despite me flogging them severely. Mind if I ask what pressures you are running?

PAT303
22nd September 2013, 06:31 PM
Not a puma, and for good reasons.

Only asking as almost all the TDCi bashers never actually go anywhere near the outback but constantly tell all the TDCi owners that do how bad thier TDCi's are ;). Pat

PAT303
22nd September 2013, 06:35 PM
We are halfway through our trip across Australia, soon heading for Steep Point on Saturday which is about as far away from home we can get and still be in Australia :) We have done about 10,000km on dirt roads so far, and this is the fourth big trip we have done and so far no major problems.

We have broken the left rear brake shield, if came off on the road to Mitchell Plateau pulling the ABS sensor out, making the ABS/tractinon control light come on. I took off the brake shield remnants, and pushed the sensor back in and the light went off. This is the second brake shield on that wheel to break - not sure why.

We don't drive slowly, but around 80-90kph on most dirt roads, dropping to 60kph or lower if it gets really bad.

The BFG KM2 have had it, left rear has had three punctures, and were pretty cut up.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/542.jpg

We run 255/85-R16, and there are no KM2 ont he west coast, so we opted for Maxis Big Horns, we will see how they go. The extra 1" of clearance under the diff has made a difference in quite a few places where we sail through without dragging the diff, whereas Land Cruisers on 31" tyres get stuck :)

My Puma has been pretty reliable so far, and with 90,000km on the clock, of that 40,000km fully loaded on some rough roads without problems.

We have another 10,000km to go getting back, and with possibilities of the Anne Beadell, or Connie Sue and Great Central road to go, we are looking forward to it.

More info on our blog - note NSFW

There and Back again (http://landroverroundtrip.blogspot.com.au/)

The bighorns will cut badly,I had them on my Tdi,on rocks use light throttle imputs or the lugs will rip off.While your at steep point whatever you do watch the waves,I cannot stress that enough,a big one will come out of nowhere and you'll be history. Pat

Blknight.aus
22nd September 2013, 08:04 PM
Only asking as almost all the TDCi bashers never actually go anywhere near the outback but constantly tell all the TDCi owners that do how bad thier TDCi's are ;). Pat

except I have done some quite extensive driving in them....

theres always someone who wants to make the point of you dont own one you dont know, to which I generally have a set of canned responses depending on who Im talking to


Ive never been hit by a bus either but I still know thats a bad idea

or

Dont own a perentie either but you all seem happy enough to come and ask me for advice on them

or

The fact I had (and still have) the opportunity to buy one but didn't might lead you to think I have reasons not to.

or

american engineering under british quality control, nope cant see anything ever going wrong there.

Some times (most times now) im doing it to stir the pot in the same way as I refer to Dx Auto drivers as landrover steerers.
(that and I know the difference between a high idle jack on a governor and stall control)
:twisted:

djam1
22nd September 2013, 08:12 PM
Really Pat its such a good sport so few words can get such a huge reaction.
A bit like PhillipA found the in the D4 thread.

I don't own one probably never will, I like my air vents and a decent rear diff.
I hope all those that own Pumas are happy with them and that they become the new 4BD1.

rick130
22nd September 2013, 08:25 PM
The bighorns will cut badly,I had them on my Tdi,on rocks use light throttle imputs or the lugs will rip off.While your at steep point whatever you do watch the waves,I cannot stress that enough,a big one will come out of nowhere and you'll be history. Pat


I think that's what happened when used in one of the pits here when being tested against BFG's and Coppers, although I've had good success so far.

Iain_B
22nd September 2013, 10:58 PM
I run 30-35 psi cold, depending on the road. 35 psi on high speed dirt ( 90-100kph) and less for sand roads. We have around two tons on the rear axle fully loaded.

The punctures were all on strethces of road littered with other damaged tyres, the road up to Gove just past halfway, one stretch of the road to Mornington Wilderness camp and the Gibb River road past Mt Barnett ( going west) We did not get much wear going to Cape York on the first trip, not much wear around Diamantina Lakes, but a lot of wear between Leichart Falls and Normanton. Then I noticed a lot more wear on the Savannah way between Boroloola and Roper bar - there seems to be a type of rock the is pretty sharp that does the damage. I think the front tyre pick up the stones, and the rear tyre hit them, all the punctures were dead centre of the tread.

The front tyres are still good - they run 25 psi as the load is much less, temperature are around 10 degrees lower as well.


Hi Ian, I'm running KM2s in the same size as you and they are holding up pretty well - despite me flogging them severely. Mind if I ask what pressures you are running?

Chops
22nd September 2013, 11:03 PM
Iain,
I reckon I'd be running them a touch lower, and I'd be slowing down somewhat as well.
Some of the other guys may have a better idea from experience, but if it were me,, that's where I'd be at.
The reason is when you look at the pic, most of the damage is smack in the centre.

carlosbeldia
23rd September 2013, 03:53 AM
Puma's are just minivan engines in real man trucks..... I really don't like. I used to critiziced who put another engines in their LR, but with this crappy (TDCi are well known here for being the weakest engines in work pick ups, really far from 2.5 Hilux or 3.0 Dmax. Just a few drops of bad diesel batch and there goes the injectors) engines coming from factory, I'd rather to look for options out of LR in case I need another new car.

In case somebody try the youdontknowbecauseyouhaventdriveit, I have drive about 1200 km in a 2007 Puma with all the "luxury" features just to find my cousin's Hilux sounds a lot more like the work car I love. In off road it's superior to my TD5, but really don't like the face of the engine, the low noise or the way it revs.,......feel more in home driving a Toyota 76... why the hell LR didn't made and effort and built a proper Defender engine, not just taking this gutless minivan heart? for all this money, they could put a 200 hp 3.2 Ford, at least that can goes faster...

You know what having a Puma means here? you have a USD 20.000 minivan engine in a USD 130.000 Land Rover, it's disgusting... how can you explain to your friends it? I can't even explain it to my wife......

If there is a time I want another real man truck from new, I think i'm going the obvious way: Toyota 70's or even a Mahindra, both of them are more Defender - like than actual Defender.

newhue
23rd September 2013, 05:10 AM
Ian, I ran a 3.5t truck on two desert runs and over plenty of average roads around 80 to 90klm. If the rocks got bigger, the tyres went lower. But mostly 22-26 in front, and 25-30 in the rear. BFG MUDs km2. Those tyres look to high for the centre to be cut up like that. I didn't find heat build up in them an issue, so didn't worry about the pressures being low.

Thread proper:
I guess with my Tdci, the only thing gone wrong on those two trips was an EGR valve, noisy but no show stopper. And a dust collapsed filler cap, which was replaced in Alice Springs.
A trip o the high country produced the drivers window falling out, but we put the bolt back in and all good. It's the big bad city mine doesn't like.

n plus one
23rd September 2013, 06:27 AM
I run 30-35 psi cold, depending on the road. 35 psi on high speed dirt ( 90-100kph) and less for sand roads. We have around two tons on the rear axle fully loaded.

The punctures were all on strethces of road littered with other damaged tyres, the road up to Gove just past halfway, one stretch of the road to Mornington Wilderness camp and the Gibb River road past Mt Barnett ( going west) We did not get much wear going to Cape York on the first trip, not much wear around Diamantina Lakes, but a lot of wear between Leichart Falls and Normanton. Then I noticed a lot more wear on the Savannah way between Boroloola and Roper bar - there seems to be a type of rock the is pretty sharp that does the damage. I think the front tyre pick up the stones, and the rear tyre hit them, all the punctures were dead centre of the tread.

The front tyres are still good - they run 25 psi as the load is much less, temperature are around 10 degrees lower as well.

At GVM in my 110 I run 18 front, 24 rear for rough dirt. 14 front, 17 rear for sand or really brutal dirt. These are cold pressures - on a hot day you can make up to 8 psi in the rears (~5 in the fronts).

Based on my experience, you're potentially running 40psi in your rears on rough stony ground - i.e. road pressures. I intend to go down to 20 (cold) in the rears next trip.

My experience suggests you should consider going a lot lower - it'll let your tyres flex over the rocks and greatly reduce tyre damage.

rick130
23rd September 2013, 06:37 AM
I run 30-35 psi cold, depending on the road. 35 psi on high speed dirt ( 90-100kph) and less for sand roads. We have around two tons on the rear axle fully loaded.



I'm guessing you've had it over the weighbridge to check those weights?

I'm with the other blokes, I used to run 26psi all round on high speed dirt/gravel/crushed shale with the old KM's in 255/85, and my Deefer 130 in work mode tared out past 3000kg on the weighbridge.

Different carcasses require different pressures too, it just depends on the construction. Maxxis 762's in the same size need more air for the same footprint and stability as they are more pliant than the BFG's.

Iain_B
23rd September 2013, 07:24 AM
I drove it over a weight bridge before I left.

I'll drop the pressures further over the next leg of the trip. Anyone know how hot tyres can safely run at?

PAT303
23rd September 2013, 09:12 AM
Iain,you'll be OK but maxxis traded abit of durability to get grip,bighorns are very grippy for a mud tyre but they will cut on rock,the wear on mine was very noticeable after a couple of trips out to water holes on iron ore lined tracks,just keep an eye on them.Fantstic blog also,I remember being in tunnel creek and my son Declan wore his ''gansta'' shoes and I had to carry him throught the water. Pat

PAT303
23rd September 2013, 09:25 AM
Really Pat its such a good sport so few words can get such a huge reaction.
A bit like PhillipA found the in the D4 thread.

I don't own one probably never will, I like my air vents and a decent rear diff.
I hope all those that own Pumas are happy with them and that they become the new 4BD1.

I'd rather people don't write up replies based on thoery,opinion or my mate said,If I wanted replies like that I'll join Exploroz,4wdAction,Overlander etc.Lets keep this forum full of replies based on real life experiences and fact. Pat

n plus one
23rd September 2013, 09:55 AM
I drove it over a weight bridge before I left.

I'll drop the pressures further over the next leg of the trip. Anyone know how hot tyres can safely run at?

No, but my rear KM2s hit 68c (laser thermometer) a couple of times with no ill effects. Interestingly the tires on the sunny side were sometimes over ten degrees hotter than the shady side! Given that the bitumen was 52c at the time an extra 16c (in the rears at high speed) seemed reasonable.

Chops
23rd September 2013, 09:55 AM
I drove it over a weight bridge before I left.

I'll drop the pressures further over the next leg of the trip. Anyone know how hot tyres can safely run at?

Iain, it depends on a couple of things for heat. Tyres can run quite warm with no real adverse effects IMO, but if theyre running hot, it's possibly due to too much pressure. Try them lower and see how they feel to the touch.
Also, how are you checking them for heat,, just with your hand? I've run car tyre at temps I could barely touch,, mind you, I could be considered a bit of a softy ;) Maybe someone else can give a better clue as to how hot, and how to test for heat.

The other thing I would watch for is your bearing heat,, might be worth a check just in case.

Iain_B
23rd September 2013, 08:32 PM
I have a Tyredog TPMS with internal sensors, they are pretty accurate on the pressure gauge, so I suspect they are not to bad on the temperature side. There is a definite temperature increase on the sunny side, as much as 5 degrees which leads to a corresponding increase in pressure by a psi or two.

Judging by hand, the hubs are cooler than the tyres. Damage may be concentrated in the centre, but the wear is constant - tread depth was almost exactly the same on the edges as the middle.

I'll drop the tyres down to 28 psi cold at the rear on the dirt, and see what happens with the Bighorns.

rick130
23rd September 2013, 08:43 PM
I'll drop the tyres down to 28 psi cold at the rear on the dirt, and see what happens with the Bighorns.


You'll need more pressure with the Bighorns than what you ran with the BFG's.

Re-read my post above, I need roughly 5psi more for the same load compared to the old KM's, and I'm guessing the KM2's will be much the same.

Blknight.aus
23rd September 2013, 09:03 PM
I drove it over a weight bridge before I left.

I'll drop the pressures further over the next leg of the trip. Anyone know how hot tyres can safely run at?

depends on the tyre build...

I dont like letting tyres get over about 50 deg c. on the tread face...

ball park you should be able to put your hand on the tread for about 5 seconds.

rubber isnt a bad insulator, and the real heat will be inside the carcas where the belts laminates and rubber are all squirming over each other.

if your tread damage is concentrating in the center your pressures are too high, generally, the same chart they use for highway wear patterns applies for off road (unless you're really ripping up the tread on heavy sharp stuff or side scuffing in ruts)

n plus one
23rd September 2013, 09:18 PM
depends on the tyre build...

I dont like letting tyres get over about 50 deg c. on the tread face...

ball park you should be able to put your hand on the tread for about 5 seconds.

rubber isnt a bad insulator, and the real heat will be inside the carcas where the belts laminates and rubber are all squirming over each other.

if your tread damage is concentrating in the center your pressures are too high, generally, the same chart they use for highway wear patterns applies for off road (unless you're really ripping up the tread on heavy sharp stuff or side scuffing in ruts)

Bridgestone says over 90c on the tread face is too high, 80c is fine. Other tyre manufacturers say keep it under 100c. The tar mine was parked on last week was 52c... 70c is around the limit for leaving your hand on something IIRC.

Strongly agree re tyre wear patterns. To the OP, I'd run 24 psi cold, keep an eye on your temps and drop from there.

On a solid beam vehicle most of your small bump compliance is in your tyres - they're probably over half of your suspension. However most seem concerned at running low pressures, not sure why - I run down to 8psi offroad and get very little tyre wear - last set of MTs still have an easy 20k left in them after having done 65k including plenty of high country work and offload towing.

rick130
24th September 2013, 07:04 AM
50*C in a tyre is nothing.

If you've ever done any pyro readings on tyres, and i mean real pyro readings where we stick the probe into the rubber, degredation doesn't start to occur until you exceed around 90*.

IIRC we can only tolerate around the upper 40* range for skin touch.
I know I can't pick up spanners on 47* days, but maybe that's just not wanting to work in stupid heat either!

TerryO
24th September 2013, 08:39 AM
Really Pat its such a good sport so few words can get such a huge reaction.
A bit like PhillipA found the in the D4 thread.
.


What do you mean? ...us Disco owners never get cranky at Fender owners telling us Disco's are rubbish. ...;)

Interesting to see Dave throwing Puma's under the bus at every opportunity. ...:angel:

Anyway this is a very interesting thread with lots of good reading, even if the old school feel the need to put down Puma's at every chance. ...:angel:

VladTepes
24th September 2013, 08:53 AM
You people are givinmgme the irrits. The missus has given me a leave pass for another Defender BUT the $ would only extend to a Tdi or TD5 (and the latter scares me - a lot).

I just need one of you buggers to have a Puma coming off lease and sell it to me for residual value ! :D

n plus one
24th September 2013, 09:14 AM
You people are givinmgme the irrits. The missus has given me a leave pass for another Defender BUT the $ would only extend to a Tdi or TD5 (and the latter scares me - a lot).

I just need one of you buggers to have a Puma coming off lease and sell it to me for residual value ! :D

If you want it as a daily driver I'd say stretch to a Puma, otherwise I'd be inclined to go a well maintained TD5 and spend any change on upgrades :D

Me, I'm saving my coin for a 3.2l conversion in a couple if years time :twisted:

PAT303
24th September 2013, 09:46 AM
50*C in a tyre is nothing.

If you've ever done any pyro readings on tyres, and i mean real pyro readings where we stick the probe into the rubber, degredation doesn't start to occur until you exceed around 90*.

IIRC we can only tolerate around the upper 40* range for skin touch.
I know I can't pick up spanners on 47* days, but maybe that's just not wanting to work in stupid heat either!

My MTR's were too hot to touch when they fell to bits but the ambient temp was almost 60*C when it happened,I had them between 30 and 45psi but it those situations nothing but a stronger tyre would have helped. Pat

rick130
24th September 2013, 10:16 AM
My MTR's were too hot to touch when they fell to bits but the ambient temp was almost 60*C when it happened,I had them between 30 and 45psi but it those situations nothing but a stronger tyre would have helped. Pat

The step fathers XZL's fell to bits in similar temps on his old 130 too, IIRC they just started to lose lugs.

The heavier duty a tyre is the more heat is retained as it just can't dissipate the heat fast enough.

IIRC we used to aim for around 85* in the race tyres, although we mostly just went off hot pressures, the pyro only came out during testing with the tyre companies.

VladTepes
24th September 2013, 10:47 AM
I'm saving my coin for a 3.2l conversion

Please explain ?

n plus one
24th September 2013, 11:45 AM
Please explain ?

Bell Auto Services (UK) do a conversion kit for the 3.2l 5 cylinder Puma series motor from the Ford Ranger/Mazda BT50.