Safe recovery

[gofish]

Was amazed at the recovery of this fully water-laden 100 series :eek: Safer ways maybe ? (At around the 6 min mark on the video).
4x4 Adventure Walhalla Australia Part 3 - YouTube
(http://youtu.be/adcGKudtlxQ)

[BigBlackDog]

Just lucky for them it was floating and not bogged. Safer just to let it die naturally I say!:D

Out of interest, can someone who knows rigging tell us how much approximate strength is lost when you turn a cable back on itself like that?

[Don 130]

I was a rigger in a former life, and as far as I know there is no figure for reduction in Safe working load for doing that to a winch wire, however it is a definate no-no. As BBD said, lucky it was floating. Lucky as well because they were hooked onto the tow ball, another no-no. when a tow ball lets go, it becomes a bullet headed for the tow car. People have been killed by them. Better to use a sling around the towbar itself if there are no rated recovery points to use.

[POD]

I was a rigger in a former life, and as far as I know there is no figure for reduction in Safe working load for doing that to a winch wire,

Probably because nobody who writes rigging data would ever anticipate someone being moronic enough to do it!
I love the guy stepping over the winch cable while they are winching.
I use to spend a fair bit of time in that area, not so much anymore and now I remember why. Absolutely crowded with idiots like this on any weekend.

[RisingSun]

No decorum in their driving, why would there be in their recoveries?
Lack of concern for just about everything, except planting the big right foot.

[PhilipA]

But then , not as certain as standing on top of a train and grabbing the catenaries for support as shown in a recent utube.

Same attitudes to safety.
Regards Philip A

[BilboBoggles]

Bet that cruiser is an insurance write off. Good to know our premiums go up to cover idiots like that.

[roverrescue]

lucky that they got it all on film including number plate just so the insurance company can see what really happened eh :-)

S

[superquag]

Yes. good move to leave the number plate clear...

Bet these are the same intellectual level as those who wear those 'activitiy wristbands', - the ones that monitor your hours of sleep, walking/exercising, heart rates etc.....and download all this info onto their FACEBOOK for the whole world to see...

I've been told that some insurance companies are now employing Media Officers, who trawl the internet pond for tidbits of info on their clients... Interesting what they dig up.... :eek::eek::eek:

[wardy1]

I've been told that some insurance companies are now employing Media Officers, who trawl the internet pond for tidbits of info on their clients... Interesting what they dig up.... :eek::eek::eek:

They do, and they're going to increase it.

But getting back to the early part before the stupid drowning.... Why did they each take the same line on that not so difficult hill?

Not real smart these guys

[Tank]

As the rope was around a round object (towball) and hooked back onto itself the SWL of the rope is reduced by 1/3, if it had been around a square pin/bar and hooked back on itself the SWL would be reduced by 1/2, Regards Frank.

[d2dave]

Lucky as well because they were hooked onto the tow ball, another no-no. when a tow ball lets go, it becomes a bullet headed for the tow car. People have been killed by them. Better to use a sling around the towbar itself if there are no rated recovery points to use.

I have seen news reports about tow balls breaking and killing people, but this is when a snatch strap is being used, which is going to subject the tow ball to a much greater load.

Now I am not saying that it is safe, and I would not do it, but I would have thought that winching like they have, would not place any more load on the ball than what a large caravan would when towing. From memory I think the balls are rated to 3500KG.

[BigBlackDog]

I suppose the big difference is if the ball breaks with a van attached all that happens is the van stops, the ball stays in the trailer ball receiver, if it breaks on the end of a wire, who knows. There is some stretch in winch wire and it will recoil reasonably violently if something lets go. I saw something recently that said winch rope, ,dynema, doesn't do that?

[d2dave]

The safety chains should hold it to the vehicle. I have never heard of a ball breaking whilst towing though.

[Dizza]

I have broken a towball towing our old (admittedly overloaded) camper trailer... was an interesting experience...

[Sprint]

As the rope was around a round object (towball) and hooked back onto itself the SWL of the rope is reduced by 1/3, if it had been around a square pin/bar and hooked back on itself the SWL would be reduced by 1/2, Regards Frank.

wouldnt that also change given the diameter and profile of the round object?

I'm thinking along the lines that if the cable was hooked around the correct diameter & profile pulley, the cable wouldnt flatten out or kink/bend anywhere but where the hook came back around the cable....

[Tank]

The 1/2 and 1/3 reduction would be an average of sizes, the smaller the diameter the more reduction.
It is based on the angles created where the loop or hook joins back with the main part of the rope the wider/flatter the angle the worse it is. Same as if you use a bridle strap for towing/snatching, the shorter the bridle strap the flatter the angle, a long strap on the other hand has very little angle, hope I've explained it for you, regards Frank.

[crash]

But getting back to the early part before the stupid drowning.... Why did they each take the same line on that not so difficult hill?

Not real smart these guys

I was wondering the same thing.

[FeatherWeightDriver]

What a mess - thanks for sharing that great example of what not to do.

[Disco Muppet]

Scary, yet entertaining.
Idiots.
Red one sounds like a dying lawn mower.