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bigbugga
6th August 2003, 09:38 PM
Mud Driving
Driving through mud is a cross between ice skating and walking through quicksand. Some types of mud have a greasy top layer with a hard baked surface underneath, while other types can be a bottomless quagmire of gooey mush.

Different types of mud require different driving techniques and equipment. Greasy mud with a hard bottom layer is best suited to narrow tires to allow them to cut through the top layer to bite the hard surface below. Wide tires in this situation tend to float on the greasy top layer without reaching the hard surface underneath.

Thick gooey mud tends to favour wide tires as they give some flotation, similar to wide tires favoring sand driving. Lowering your tire pressures can help just like when sand driving, though its best not to lower tire pressures below 20-25psi for mud.

Regardless of what type of mud and what width tires are fitted, the tread pattern needs to have large lugs to allow the tire to 'clean' itself. If they don't, the lugs fill with mud and the tire becomes a 'slick' with little chance of getting traction. Road orientated tread patterns tend to have closely spaced lugs to put more rubber on the road and to reduce tire noise at highway speeds. When it comes to mud, road tread tires are at a significant disadvantage, whereas in sand they help avoid 'digging in'. Dedicated mud tires have large open spaced lugs to keep the tire clean. However, they handle worse on bitumen as there is less rubber in contact with the ground and in sand they tend to dig in. Also they can have an annoying drone at highway speeds.

Mud Driving Techniques
Unlike some other types of terrain, mud-driving techniques vary on the type of mud. Reducing tire pressures can help in 'bottomless' mud whereas it can make things worse when a hard surface is below the mud. Mud usually tends to hide obstacles such as tree roots and sticks just waiting to slash your sidewalls, so its best to avoid reducing tire pressures if you can avoid it..

Driving on the peaks between tire tracks can provide firmer ground, as water tends to collect in the wheel tracks. Though sometimes the existing wheel tracks have cut through to the firmer surface underneath and provide the best traction.

Moving the steering wheel left to right about 90° from the centre can help the front wheels bite into the mud in search of traction. Do not turn the wheel too for as you can end up making things worse.

As you have probably gathered by now, mud driving is unpredictable and you need to have a knowledge of different driving techniques to know which one to apply in each situation. What doesn't change is the need to have good mud tires with big self-cleaning lugs and good recovery equipment.

tire Chains
A way to overcome the cost and audible discomfort of mud tires is to use tire chains on your existing tires. They will dramatically improve your traction, but they do damage the track surface. It is best if they are only used when you HAVE to traverse a muddy track, as they can make it almost impassable when it dries out. If possible, it is best to let a muddy track partially dry out so you con get through in 4WD without using chains, as chains will deteriorate the track for future users.

There are two main types of tire chains, the bar (ladder) pattern or the diamond pattern. The bar pattern is better for mud as it really bites into the surface, whereas the diamond pattern is normally used for snow driving. It provides a smoother ride as the chain is in constant contact with the surface and has side-slip resistance, whereas the bar type has more of a digging action. Both types of chains can be used in either situation so if you do purchase them, choose the sort for your main type of driving.

Maintenance
Mud, especially clay and thick mud, tends to stick wherever it touches, It can build up under the wheel arches to the point it acts as a brake on the tires. This type of build-up is obvious and has to be cleared immediately, but other types of build-up that are not so obvious but still need immediate removal is on the rims. Even a small amount can throw your wheel balance out dramatically and can lead to uneven tire wear and a vibrating steering wheel.

Once all visible mud has been removed, its necessary to check items like diff and gearbox breathers to ensure they are clear, otherwise it con lead to seal damage in the long term. Also check all drain holes on the chassis etc to ensure they are not blocked. Its surprising how mud can even find it’s way to block drain holes on the bottom of doors!

VladTepes
15th July 2004, 09:53 AM
Again like the sand thread a good job BB.

Perhaps a seperate "driving techniqies" section for these, so they are easier to find ?

bigbugga
15th July 2004, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by VladTepes
Again like the sand thread a good job BB.

Perhaps a seperate "driving techniqies" section for these, so they are easier to find ?

When I posted these back in AUGUST 03 we had very few sections in this forum and I was not a moderator at the time either.

But will look into it after I get back.
I had forgotten about most of these. :?

Phoenix
15th July 2004, 11:45 AM
Regardles of vlads blatent bordem and resulting thread resurections, he has a point about those writeups you did, very good they were. Perhaps some should migrate to newsletter articles??

Saintmud
15th July 2004, 12:18 PM
Being new to AULRO I haven't found the other articles yet, I will find them eventually, but I enjoyed this article on an area of 4WD'ing I am passionate about. It's good to read up on different techniques, especially when your stuck at work and can't get out to play in the mud... :wink:

I look forward to more.

VladTepes
15th July 2004, 02:38 PM
Yes - now if someone has a technique to avoid being stuck at work, and yet retain an income.... I'm sure we'd all like to know. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

incisor
15th July 2004, 02:48 PM
it's called the lotto win princple ... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

VladTepes
15th July 2004, 02:59 PM
Yep.

And principally, I can't seem to win it :!:

RoverOne
15th July 2004, 04:05 PM
At the moment I'd settle for copious amounts of mud to play in, I know where there is stacks but its not legal (Water Board track, back of Bangor [Sydney Sth Side]). Every where else is very dry here.

I like the use of good fitting chains when in trouble. After a few vehicles have driven behind me there was noticeable damage to the track (it was on private land). Mainly because I didn't wheel spin once while they were on.

If you must use them (chains), use only on front wheels, you need to control the skid/slide with stear as you accelerate into the skid/slide to recover. On the rear and especially down hill will drive further of the track (tried & tested).

On the day actually surpassed maxi drive vehicles on uphill penetration on the track. :wink:

On another occassion only vehicle not to have to winch or be winched was my chained vehicle style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif. Track was a mess after we got through but could not put it down to chains, again no wheel spin just traction.

Good article by the way style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

DiscoTDI
15th July 2004, 06:33 PM
I miss mud :cry: , I havnt seen any for ages

RichardK
15th July 2004, 06:39 PM
Going into the mud on Saturday for the day and the whole of the following weekend.


Oh!! how I love the winter rains style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

LandyAndy
15th July 2004, 07:37 PM
Hi Guys
To add to Bigbugga's post,if you gently tap the brake pedal with the left foot it actually will momentarily stop a spining wheel and transfer the drive to the non spinning wheel.Try it sometime it is like getting turboboost,fitting traction control to old fasion landies.I really got into practising it whilst working on the farm towing a 50 foot boomspray behind a tojo ute,the boomspray held 2500lts of chemical with an all up weight of around 4 tonne,I rarely got bogged.I got to use the technique when we went on the powerline track outing,the first time I had tried in a landy in tough terrain,the push in the back was quite a pleasant surprise.
Landyandy

VladTepes
16th July 2004, 09:18 AM
Here am I, waiting for Pedro to make some comment about me, not having ever had a push in the back in a Landie, and him always having one, all on account of the diesel/petrol thing.....

Disappointed so far, compadre.


LandyAndy - sounds like a good tip.