A Black Box in your car

[Chucaro]

I like to know your opinion about this new device like the positive and negative implications about it.
Who will have access in the future to this data?
I cannot read in the article if it have a GPS installed but if it have how you will protect your privacy (why organizations need to know were you are or being?)

Quote:
"Planted beneath the dashboard, the matchbox-sized gizmo uses sensors to tell if the driver is tailgating, speeding or if they've been in a collision."
Someones will say "if you drive in a safe manner and within the traffic laws there is nothing to worry about"

IMO add this to the proposed laws in Qld and we can kiss good bye to our civil liberties if it become compulsory to have it installed

Insurer driving device puts safety at a premium (http://www.themercury.com.au/news/national/insurer-driving-device-puts-safety-at-a-premium/story-fnj3ty2c-1226739222053)

[MR LR]

No thanks!

[R Miller]

id rather use public transport and walk

[Eevo]

if you drive in a safe manner and within the traffic laws there is nothing to worry about]

And after I hack it, it will show that I drive in a safe manner and within the traffic laws all the time and I will have nothing to worry about.

[Chucaro]

And after I hack it, it will show that I drive in a safe manner and within the traffic laws all the time and I will have nothing to worry about.

I can see in the future software and hardware devices to do that in Ebay :D
Then new laws like the radar detector to ban them.......
Short opening business opportunities I guess.

[vnx205]

"if you drive in a safe manner and within the traffic laws there is nothing to worry about"

I have heard a response in the civil liberties/privacy debate to the oft repeated claim that if you are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

The argument for the right to some privacy was that most people who were sitting at their dining table, quietly eating their evening meal would like the right to close their curtains on a window that faced onto the street even though they are doing nothing wrong.

For some reason, I find that simple example more convincing that many of the more complicated arguments for the right to privacy.

Unfortunately we have already lost the right to "close our dining room curtains" in many aspects of our lives.

[Homestar]

From what I read it plugs into the OBDII comms port on the car so I'm not sure how they will get it to work on the 101, old rangie or the series III...:D

The missus drives the L322, so it can be her problem...

[GuyG]

Navman have had a similar device for quite a few years. I had one fitted to the car I was using, pretty accurate, picked up exact speed etc. With older vehicles they are wired into the ignition so every time you turn the key the unit is activated. You would want to read the fine print very carefully with an insurance policy linked to one of these devices - sorry you were speeding when you had the accident....

[Disco Muppet]

Hey Eevo, will you be taking orders? :p

[Eevo]

Hey Eevo, will you be taking orders? :p

lets discuss payment first.

[Disco Muppet]

lets discuss payment first.

Free pass on Td5 bagging for a year? :p

[crash]

I would love to give Naomi Campbell a lift.

[Eevo]

Free pass on Td5 bagging for a year? :p

your meant to offer me something i dont already have...

[Dougal]

And how does an OBD2 plugin detect tailgating?

Oh sorry, it appears my car has a faulty pin in the OBD2 port, no power there.

[Disco Muppet]

your meant to offer me something i dont already have...

$20, final offer :p

[Eevo]

$20, final offer :p

a hack like that, would prob be worth $800 per unit.
but i can give TD5 discount for you, $900 per unit

[Disco Muppet]

a hack like that, would prob be worth $800 per unit.
but i can give TD5 discount for you, $900 per unit

Must be getting time to put fuel in the Disco again if you're charging those prices :D

[Chucaro]

And how does an OBD2 plugin detect tailgating?

Oh sorry, it appears my car has a faulty pin in the OBD2 port, no power there.


Defective notice, your car will be out of the road until fault it is fixed :D

[Eevo]

Must be getting time to put fuel in the Disco again if you're charging those prices :D

rego due this week too

[olbod]

At the end of the day I will be quite happy to camp out there and use a riding and pack camel to collect me stores.
I really dont want much more to do with our modern socialist police state.
Once upon a time it was good oh, eh.

[blitz]

oops sorry officer it appears to be broken

how did it break

I smashed the poxy thing with a hammer repeately

[Chucaro]

At the end of the day I will be quite happy to camp out there and use a riding and pack camel to collect me stores.
I really dont want much more to do with our modern socialist police state.
Once upon a time it was good oh, eh.

Robert :eek: living out in the bush and be self sufficient is a rebel behavior!!
How the politicians and other economic vampires are going to survive if they cannot trace you and ask for your contribution to their living standards? :p
It is good that some of us are quite happy to live a simple life and far away of the big smoke :)

[Homestar]

And how does an OBD2 plugin detect tailgating?


Inertia switches in the black box and a program that looks at brake and throttle position at the same time. Using an algorithm it works out if you are too close.... Apparently...

[bob10]

Nip it in the bud, take up a petition, present it to your local member. Quite often our elected rabble put up something like this, if no one objects, they claim a mandate, & slip it thru. Constant surveillance is one of the cornerstones of democracy, don't get complacent & fall asleep at the wheel. Bob

[korg20000bc]

Inertia switches in the black box and a program that looks at brake and throttle position at the same time. Using an algorithm it works out if you are too close.... Apparently...

Nah, they are assuming that there will be 100% uptake and every vehicle will be equipped with the device. Then they will be able to wirelessly detect the distance to the other devices.

[George130]

Will have to accidentaly drown it for a week before install.

No thanks.
I need less electronics in the cars thanks.

[CapableCate]

Nip it in the bud, take up a petition, present it to your local member. Quite often our elected rabble put up something like this, if no one objects, they claim a mandate, & slip it thru. Constant surveillance is one of the cornerstones of democracy, don't get complacent & fall asleep at the wheel. Bob

[thumbsupbig] Agree Bob! Victorian motorcyclists are currently fighting (again) against the compulsory introduction of FNP's (front number plates), which we know are only a forerunner for the transponder they really want to introduce. This will effect ALL vehicles, and will be a huge invasion of our liberties, not to mention potentially dangerous, if they employ the biggest nasty; remote cutting of engine if detected exceeding the speed limit 30kph or above. Think of the implications of that! We need to stay vigilant; and not always do authorities presenting these 'harmless' devices, tell us the whole story, instead they hide behind inducements of helping us to save ourselves from destruction, or expense etc. It's always about a bigger picture, and generally involves revenue, or some form of control, for their own agenda.

[3toes]

Saw on TV here a few years ago a reporter who had a similar devise fitted by the instance company. Idea was they could reduce the cost of insurance with the box fitted as your driving would be monitored. Once big
Brother was watching you would then drive in a sensible manner.

When after a week they reviewed the driving with the insurance company there were a number of instances of poor driving. Reporter had a good reason for each and none were as the lack box reading by the insurance company said. Stopping quickly due to a car putting out if a side street when should not have. Speeding up and slowing down to pass a car and more of the same like.

Now which version do you think the insurance company believed and calculated the premium on?

[isuzutoo-eh]

Be much easier to apply if it was some sort of (secret/hidden/trojan?) app on your smart phone, and each time you synched via bluetooth, handsfree or similar, it traced your journey, using the phone's inbuilt GPS, accelerometers and data storing and transmitting capability.

No need to be in phone coverage area, it'd simply store info till you returned to civilisation, and you'd never know.

If a good programmer really wanted to develop such a thing, it'd probably take from now till tomorrow lunchtime to get working...

[Disco Muppet]

Possibly also tap into the front and rear parking sensors if fitted?

[olbod]

Robert :eek: living out in the bush and be self sufficient is a rebel behavior!!
How the politicians and other economic vampires are going to survive if they cannot trace you and ask for your contribution to their living standards? :p
It is good that some of us are quite happy to live a simple life and far away of the big smoke :)

Mate, I dont need to be self sufficient in every sense. Thats what the camels are for ie: to get to the store for supplies every three months.

I got to thinking last night. There must be alot of vacant rent free holes in the ground at Coober Pedy. Bloke could make a nice comfortable little abode for himself. With a sign out the front "Beware of the occupant ".
I wouldn't bother about gem digging tho.
Also, I would be in the right area to do some serious painting. Surrounded by all those beautiful deserts.
Hmmm.

[DoubleChevron]

I'm all for it .... The proviso is every single government funded car should be fitted with them for a decade, with all results recorded displayed instantaneously on a website for all to view. If this works out well after 10years of testing on all government vehicles (including police cars and politicians vehicles) then we can talk about fitting them to private vehicles.

Works for me.

seeya,
Shane L.

[richard4u2]

I'm all for it .... The proviso is every single government funded car should be fitted with them for a decade, with all results recorded displayed instantaneously on a website for all to view. If this works out well after 10years of testing on all government vehicles (including police cars and politicians vehicles) then we can talk about fitting them to private vehicles.

Works for me.

seeya,
Shane L.
then they will stop using the cars and start using the government funded credit cards to hire taxis to visit places where they shouldn't

[Chucaro]

Be much easier to apply if it was some sort of (secret/hidden/trojan?) app on your smart phone, and each time you synched via bluetooth, handsfree or similar, it traced your journey, using the phone's inbuilt GPS, accelerometers and data storing and transmitting capability.

No need to be in phone coverage area, it'd simply store info till you returned to civilisation, and you'd never know.

If a good programmer really wanted to develop such a thing, it'd probably take from now till tomorrow lunchtime to get working...

Good idea!!! I will tell my sons to write an app for a Win8 based phones :D

[PeterM]

They can **** right off with this. It's all about information and what people pay for it.

The insurance companies will have more opportunities to refuse insurance cover after taking your premium money and as you don't own the device or information, they are free to sell it to whoever wants it.

Targeted internet advertising works based on your history of sites visited and puts up ads based on your pattern of use. This is all part of how Facebook makes it's money. The constant monitoring of your movements via your car travel is just another step in this direction.

[clubagreenie]

And if you think they'll drop the premiums just because you have it fitted or may be their version of a better driver think again. The "good drivers" will stay the same (high) prive and the "bad" will go up even higher.

A short sharp dose of should fix it.